First Bluray player I've seen under $100. Pretty sure Allure is their in house brand, so it'll be something rebadge.
Clive Peeters Allure Blu-Ray Player - $99
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You going to download a blu-ray size disk for one movie? by the time downloads is the future… this blu-ray machine will have died.
Oh unless you're downloading pirated, divx quality movies.. then yes, downloads is the way to go.
well then, please explain your methods of obtaining such goods, O' Glorious King of The Internet
ooh id like to be in on that action….but the cost of paying 3/4 of a wage for that kind of speed internet would kill me.
@PainToad: Looks like logic ain't gonna change any of the mob's minds mate! What most don't know about video compression/encoding is staggering! ;)
I'm using Exetel ADSL2+, on Optus/Powertel infrastructure, getting consistently >1MB/s ("B" not "b", and nothing like theoretical max by a long shot), 24Gb P/Unlimited OP @ $65/month including line rental! (:. ADSL2 = ~$35)
FWIW, I'm getting speed/time results along the lines of what you describe above or better, using those supposedly lame (albeit private) p2p trackers! :D
@PainToad: only problem with usenet is that I can't find some older stuff like say… DOS manuals. :)
but everyone's an expert and has a strong opinion on something on usenet :)
@StewBalls: Good fer ya.. I'm getting only 7.65MbpsDL/0.84MbpsUL@42ms (speedtest.net) not with exetel though.. something about the CEO's blog disturbs me. :D
i don't bother measuring when i do high speed transfers, as my POS billion 7407vgpx chokes up and dies after transfers passes 300kB/s. so i had to throttle it.
such is irony.
@slowmo: Yeah, you're dead right, reading the blog kinda infers that John Linton sure is an "interesting" character! ;)
@StewBalls: I don't think he's getting neg'd for that comment because of its lack of "logic" as you put it, but rather the manner in which its presented. There's no need to be a narcissistic dick about everything on the internet :)
Maybe because 99% of Australia can only get ADSL2 (assuming you can even get ADSL2) through rubbish Telstra, where one blu-ray is basically your months cap even on their big cap plan?
@noyesmaybeok: You can get HD of sorts with ADSL2.
8Mbps 720p25 h264 will give significantly better results that HDTV in Australia.
So 7GB for a 2hr movie, downloading in realtime, if the backbone can handle it.Sadly my connection is nowhere near that fast.
But I think I'd prefer a blu-ray drive for the PC, as I cannot stand the non-skipable ads, previews, and propaganda you get on a standalone player.@freddy: 7GB - I was paying $100 a month for 25GB on Telstra (which was their biggest residential plan).
More economical and legal to go buy them from the store.
@PainToad: Telstra were the sole provider of ADSL2 at the time (actually, the original contract was just ADSL because they didn't have it, but eventually it did come into the area).
@noyesmaybeok: 1) Who said anything about Telstra?
2) I am on ADSL1 8mbit which is available to alot of the population.@pais: Prolly RS, MU, et.al. They seem to be the new fad source now Usenet's died in the a……well you get what I mean! ;)
@StewBalls: Wow the ignorance continues. UseNet has not died at all. If you are talking about newzbin case, there are many other nzb indexs out there, or search directly with something like binsearch.
@PainToad: Wow, defensive much? Don't go getting your panties in a bunch! ROFLMAO, pais was right, you are acting like a narcissistic dick! ;)
I love you n00bs, whilst many of us were surfing BBS's & usenet over 2400baud modems in the late 80's, evidently it wasn't until you recently discovered binary groups that they took off apparently! You don't need to defend the network/protocol mate, you're preaching to the choir! Fact: interest in usenet since it's inception in '79-80 has waxed and waned, and will continue to do so until it's no longer viable, as with any networking technology! Part of this process is dependent on the whims of fickle users like yourself, quick to defend your choice now, but trust me, you'll drop it like a hot spud when the next "big" thing comes along; hence my use of the term "fad"! Once you've been around a while you'll get some perspective, it's not a recrimination, when you've seen the cycle enough times you'll find it's an observable phenomena! :D
BTW, have you looked around the SCENE lately mate? Clearly not; in comparison to the traffic generated on the likes of the hosting services I've mentioned, there's significantly less happening with usenet ATM! RS and it's cronies are simply offering a slightly better bang for buck service for most users & getting more of the love right now! This misunderstanding is my fault! Looking at some of your other posts I can see you have difficulty generalising arbitrary concepts - I shouldn't have been so facetious in my description of usenet "dying in the a…" I should have given you a clear definition of a downturn to aid your comprehension; sorry, my bad! ;)
No need to take it so personally though; as stated, I don't use either, IMHO right now they're both a waste of money; I don't care either way, neither approach is actually wrong per se; it's just a fact of life, deal with it! ;)
@PainToad: You could theoretically get better speeds by hacking a cable modem, which you should never ever do because it's illegal.
@PainToad: Hold onto your seat for this insane bit of news: Not everyone lives in a capital city!
Crazy, no?
@noyesmaybeok: hmm.. the last i checked, metropolitan areas = more people per square meter of land.
so what's the point of saying "Not everyone lives in a capital city!" and "Maybe because 99% of Australia can only get ADSL2 (assuming you can even get ADSL2) through rubbish Telsta"?
i think that's some contradiction, no?
@PainToad: I'd 'almost' agree with that statement :)
On the original point, the future is digital (and you'd be an idiot to think otherwise), but there are tons of great uses for optical media now, and for the next few years to come.
@slowmo: The point stands fine, no matter the figure (which obviously no-one could say given its constantly changing).
Next time Kev asks for "fair shake of the sauce bottle", are you going to go post him some? Trying to take something that's obviously a figure of speech and misrepresenting it as a literal translation is ridiculous.
Coz let's be honest, I've heard that a million times.
The contradiction in your statement is that you are the one that's projecting "everyone is the same"… The vast majority (yes, not everyone) of Australians do not have the speed (nor the quota) to be able to what you're suggesting.. and won't be in that situation for quite some time.
In this day and age, optical media definitely has its place.
@pais: Almost all of the population has access to 8mbit connections. The problem is
1) They don't know about smaller ISPs with decent pricing
2) They source from public torrent sites and never max out their connectionWe're at the stage mp3s were in the late 90s, atm the masses see downloading movies/tv as to much of a pain, esp HD. But within 2-3 years everyone was doing it. Like I said, the future is downloads.
@PainToad: $90/month for broadband connection ($40 for barebones 'essential' one; so $50 extra for movies)
~15GB per full HD movie (at 1000kb/s, takes about 4 hrs == 8MBit)
Storage space required (2.5" @ $0.20/GB) = $3
Hence:Movies per month || Cost per movie || Total cost
(broadband/movies + storage) (cost for a movie * number of movies)
1 $53 $53
2 $28 $56
3 $20 $59
4 $16 $62
5 $13 $65
6 $11 $68
7 $10 $71
8 $9 $74You can get blu rays delivered for about $2X.
Cinema tickets cost about $1X for one adult.@WaywardOne: What?
You don't seem to have factored in quota (not to mention that most people on ADSL aren't going to be reaching 8mbit)..
Who's the best speed/quota combo on the market atm (for ADSL)? I'm going to assume TPG, which gives you 50GB for 99.95… which is 3 hd movies by your calculations. (with 5gb remaining for everything else you need to do in a month, ouch!) And from the completely mixed reviews I've heard from TPG, I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
ADSL2+ obviously makes it a more realistic table, but then availability becomes an issue… The vast majority of people aren't on ADSL2.
Anyway — the notion that optical media is being outdated is simply not reality (and I don't think you were weighing in on that here, but just illustrating a point). It won't be until we can have our content completely on-demand, without pre-planned downloading (four hours in advance by your calculations) which will happen, but we're not quite there… yet. And by the time we're there by today's formats, UltraHD/QuadHD will probably be the new FullHD… meaning we still wouldn't be there.
@pais: Yeh I completely agree RE: speeds.
I was actually trying to illustrate that optical discs are economical for the vast majority of regular people.
You're right though - that $90/month figure was just PainToad's broadband cost. ADSL1 would be more!
@pais: Who the hell uses 2.5" drives for storage? God you reasoning gets worse.
"which gives you 50GB for 99.95"
I pay $90 for 90gig/month with Exetel. But that's an old plan. Now days they have plans with unlimited off peak downloads.Get your facts right if your going to try to defend your own personal preference…like I care about it anyways.
@PainToad: It was just an estimate. Change my 50GB to your 90GB and you can download what, 6 movies (if you choose not to download anything else that month, mind you)? Stop the press! It doesn't really detract from the fact that you'd be pre-planning what movie to watch instead of just going to the rental store on a whim.
Your reasoning… well, you don't actually have any reasoning. Rather, it's your own anecdote which does not represent the current market. How can optical media be going out the window any time soon where there is so little (read: sweet f.a.) you've actually factored into your sweeping statement?
Here's some limitations for you to sit down in a corner and have a think about (but I guess "like [you] care about it anyways"):
- Availability of the aformentioned plans. How widespread is Exetel availability? How many people actually have this plan?
- Availability of the downloads legally
- 1080p will not be the highest resolution in media for long. We'll have roughly twice the amount of storage required for 3D movies, as well as Quad/UltraHD if they ever come to market.Anyway, I digress. The bottom line is that your statement is wrong. Optical media will have its stronghold on the mainstream for at least the next 5 years; not to mention the people that simply refuse to switch over. Your anecdote is fairly moot in the overall scheme of things and shows how little you know about what you're talking about. We (tech savvy people in general) don't represent the majority. Understand that. Regardless of feasibility (which is essentially all that is being debated), people (in general) won't change to the media-free model.
Optical media is going the way of VHS for you, but not for Australia.
@pais: Can you not read? There are several ISPs doing either unlimited periods or 24/7. Ur opinions are 6 months out of date.
Exetel is available whereever Telstra adsl is, so 99% of the population.
And if you had bothered reading my first post, I said "I" have no use for optical media, not everyone in Australia. And that the "future" is downloads. Try reading next time.
@pais: Speed isn't the problem in general, it's quota (err and legality, but ignoring that…). Even on a 1.5MB connection, you could download a lot of content if you left it running for the month. It just means downloading in advance.
For the whole "semi-instant" concept which is where to future is definitely at, speed is a problem. It really depends if you're happy downloading a 1GB movie, or want the full HD version, and how many years down the track it is.
Will be interesting to see how it panes out into other areas: cloud computing, TV over internet etc (wouldn't it be sweet instead of Austar or Foxtel, you could just buy that channel or show straight from the provider, if you like NRL or AFL you can buy those games live, rather than paying for a whole sports package with tons of other stuff you don't want anyway).
Blasphemy! P2P torrents is not lame.
Internet is not the most cost effective solution when it comes to Blu-ray movies, especially in Australia. A Blu-ray movie can go upto 50GB. It is a waste of bandwidth and money to download it. True, you could download the HD rips, but that's still probably 2GB (but how about the 5.1/7.1 tracks - you cannot get them).
You could visit your video library stores near you. Some of them will let you rent a Blu-ray for $3. Some of them will even let you bundle them with weekly DVDs so you ended up paying just $1 renting the Blu-ray for a day. A small number of them have special deals that on certain days, renting a movie is just $1 (including Blu-ray ones). This way, it is legit and it is cost effective. Plus, it is the real disc so you see all the bonus features.
I hardly watch a movie more than once. $1 for 1080p, high-def.. certainly beats waiting for 2 hours (even if you use usenet / torrent or whatever P2P).
@netsurfer: "(but how about the 5.1/7.1 tracks - you cannot get them)."
Thank you for for proving how clueless you are on the topic.How about the person who voted this down explain themselves. 5.1 and 7.1 rips are released by The Scene ALL THE TIME. But hey if you don't see them they couldn't possibly exist hey? Idiots.
@PainToad: 7.1 DolbyDigital TrueHD in an highdef Blu-ray movie rip? How big is that going to make that file? Also, please read CAREFULLY, I mentioned tracks… meaning ALL the 5.1/7.1 tracks in the Blu-ray discs - not only just the main movie track. I put 's' in it.. I also use the word 'them'. You are the one that is clueless. How often do you get a rip that preserves ALL those tracks? Director's comments etc…
2 hours to download a pirated copy of a compressed version of the blu-ray movie with audio being heavily downsampled (with most, if not all additional tracks removed). Not to mention it is actually illegal. Just to show off that you have an account to download files form newsgroups?
All I am trying to say is… I prefer to spend $1 to rent the blu-ray (or $3 if I am really desparate) and actually enjoy the original blu-ray, rather than signing up for some newsgroup subscription service to download a pirated + heavily compressed version.
@netsurfer: Well the audio is not "heavily compressed" if you download the right release. But I will accept if you want ALL of the streams (I have no idea why you would want French et al. you must have a very multicultural household :S Director commentary bores the hell out of me) then renting makes more sense, yes.
@PainToad: But the video is heavily compressed. Picture in picture requires additional audio tracks. Also, we are not talking about just director's comments. On some movies, there is a track with more detailed descriptions about what is happening, which is not always obvious.
Download the right release, you mean download the biggest /largest release?
When you see one of the heavy action scenes on one of these so called rips… and you actually see the compression glitches (that rip is 25G - which is still 50% compression), then you begin to appreciate the original. You don't want to watch the highlight of a movie with heavy compression side effects.
I don't think a newsgroup account is free.
you can dl a uncompressed 20gb bluray in 2hrs? GTFO
oh and 6gb 720p compressed rips arnt comparable.
The real limitation is our download speeds.. We don't have the infrastructure to support a completely media-free distribution model.
It definitely is in the future… But won't be feasible for 5+ years.
download speeds AND quota. Obviously Pain Toad has a fibre optic connection to Hollywoods 20TB hard drives.
I guess I just said speeds because quota tends to go hand in hand with it, but yep — that's definitely a contributing factor!
Wow that's cheap. That's insane. It was $230 but is a web special only with pickup and delivery options. It has a 3 year warranty and can be extended(although no need).
So to add a few more details to this page
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Audio output:Dolby® Digital , Dolby® Digital Plus , Dolby® TrueHD, MPEG2/4, MPEG4-AVC, H.264, VC-1, dts ®-HD, BD-JavaManufactures warranty:36 months
Output type:HDMI version 1.3, component video output, Optical/Coaxial output, BD Live 2.0 USB/Ethernet
Playable Disc format:BD/DVD/VCD/CD/CD-R(RW)/DVD+R(RW)
Playable formats:MP3, JPEG, DVD, VCD
Upscale:Selectable DVD upconversion (720p/1080i/1080p)
Also don't buy their HDMI cable as it's almost as expensive as the player. Search HDMI cable on this site to find them for under $10(Allure's is $79)
If this could play media file ie video through usb it would be perfect although too much too expect for 99, still great deal!
Anyone know if this can be made region free?
It has a 3 year warranty as well! Seriously considering this as a player in the bedroom.
That's kinky…
ooowww….i like it when you talk dirty ;)
Great to see a blu-ray player under $100. DVD is now obsolete.
Awesome price - I wish I needed one!
I do need one! Wonder how good it is…
Any mkv support?
that's what I wanna know.
There's got to be a reason why they are being sold at this price……would love a quick review……
"Playable formats:MP3, JPEG, DVD, VCD"
so thats no AVI, MKV, etc.**unless its spec do match Momitsu BDP-899, then it should support BDMV format, AVCHD, H.264, Xvid, MPEG1, MPEG2 , MPEG4(AVI), MP4 HD, WMV9, JPEG, BMP, PNG, TIFF, JPEG2000, GIF, but still no MKV
Great price, accepts paypal too, which is a +
Hmmm do I break my budget and vow to get a PS3 for games and blu-ray….or get one of these on the cheeep and flick off the old no name dvd player from the bedroom…..hmmmmmmm ponders being able to go without food for a week
You can at least eat the box it comes in till the next pay cheque
ooooh…can I have some sauce?…snigger
My missus seems to have some good cardboard recipes, if you guys need some ideas! :p
just eat the cheap foods posted on ozbargains
Any idea of the start up time for this player?
Question:
If i download a file of .mkv format, burn it on a DVD disc, will it play on this player?
or off the USB?
well it plays photos off usb…so don't see why it wouldn't play video off usb.
(rebadge specs posted below mention avi/xvid/mp4/wmv support)
i wonder what Blueray version it is>? is HDMI version 1.3 the latest?
HDMI 1.3 is the latest spec that has any use. 1.4 supports UltraHD/QuadHD (whatever buzzword companies are giving it now.. twice FullHD), supports 3D, has an audio feedback channel and an ethernet channel.. but there aren't really any products on the market that utilize it..
For your purposes; yes, HDMI 1.3 is the latest and will suffice.
Having said that, I'm not even sure if that's what you're intending to ask?? HDMI version != blu ray version. I can't find any info on what bd profile this uses.
stated profile 2.0 with ethernet
Indeed it does:
BD Live 2.0 USB/Ethernet
Looks like playable disc format for DVD+R(RW) not DVD-R(RW).
Specs (http://www.momitsu.com/bdp_899_spec.html — thanks to StewBalls for finding rebadge) say it supports DVD-R
Video Features
BD-R/RE Read Compatibility : Yes (BDMV & BDAV format)
BD-ROM : Yes
DVD+R Read Compatibility : Yes
DVD+RW Read Compatibility : Yes
DVD-R Read Compatibility : Yes (Video Mode and VR Mode)
DVD-RW Read Compatibility : Yes (Video Mode and VR Mode)
Rebadge = http://www.momitsu.com/bdp_899.html
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/hardwarereviews/momitsu_bdp-89…
Region free's looking good! ;)
Plus… according to the specs on Momitsu.com it plays MPEG4(AVI), MP4, Xvid, WMV.
Bargain media player too…no mkv tho (unless the video content is AVI then you could [mostly] just rename it to .avi - but lose subtitle/video/audio track selections :S)
Looks like online purchase only?
You can order online for pickup in store to ensure that the store has the stock.
Cheers,
Spelter
so will this play .avi off the usb port? and will it automatically upscale to 1080p? thanks
If it is indeed the momitsu BDP-899 as Stewballs above has reported, then yes. It will play your xvid/divx avi files. Not sure if it will play it off the USB though. Generally the USB port on Blu-ray players are there to facilitate the BD-live function.
On the site StewBalls posted, the reviewer makes the following comment;
"I LOVE the USB 2.0 feature of slideshows, video etc."
From that you could assume that the USB allows video playback.
ok thanks, the link didn't say the guy tested video on usb, he just added that one word into the quote "I LOVE…" - sounded like a sweeping statement =D
if anyone has actually tried it please let me know, surely someone would've bought by now ;)
Also available at Rick Hart if you're in WA
http://www.rickhart.com.au/products/home-entertainment/DVD-p…
The manual says it plays videos from USB
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews45/momitsu%20bdp-89… (page 25)
Supported file codecs are here http://www.momitsu.com/bdp_899_spec.htmlAnyone tried the latest firmware yet?
I'm going to avoid the latest FW for a few reasons:
1. I've read the latest locks the BR region again (no remote codes work), DVD region free continues to work.
2. This is marketed by Allure, it has an Allure background logo in the menu, while the FW might be 99% identical to a Momitsu 899 I don't want to risk bricking the unit. As yet I don't see any website for the Allure brand, so don't know if they have their own FWs for this unit.@amaslam: Do you mind me asking what the boot up time for the player is like?
I am interested in this to replace my DVD player but not if it is unbearably slow to start- if its similar to PS3 it would be good.
Confirmed DVD and BDP-899 region code change.
Remote control looks identical to the Momitsu 899 remote.
Tested DVD region codes as follows, turn on player, no disc in player:
Punched in 973511 for DVD Region 1 BR Region A
Put in a region 1 discNext I put in a region 4 disc, the player thought about it a few seconds and then ejected it (Oh Noes!)
But then I punched in 973541 for DVD Region 4 BR Region A
Then put the disc back in and it played fine (Happy dance!)
Will buy a BR region B disc this weekend to test the BR region change the same way.
Even if it's JUST a region B BR player for $99 and 3 yr warranty it's a good deal :)
Wow. If only I had any use for optical media. The future is downloads. Still a bargain.