Not sure when the deal ends but I saw this today. Good if you are going to bake cake.
Best before 23rd Feb
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Cheap pork - Don't know if the pigs think this is a bargain.
Cheap Cockroach killer- don't know if the cockroaches think this is a bargain.
Cheap antiseptic handwash - don't know if the bacteria think this is a bargain.
The difference is obvious.
The difference is obvious.
Humour me.
It is a bargain, folks.
Lol, the negging is out of control on this one and irrational.
BTW, here: attached are some deals to make the hipsters feel better about themselves:
freerange = chickens that were crammed into over-crowded outdoor pens
organic = chicken containing the element carbon
RSPCA = wealthy organisation that got paid before chicken was butchered
yeah, looks the same, but yum yum
nice. cheap egg white post gym
Is Animal cruelty ever a bargain? Eggs are one item I will go out of my way to pay more for. Nothing agaist the OP.
Tide does seem to be changing on this issue though. The cagged eggs make up a much smaller section of the egg cabinet at my local Coles now.
You could argue that caged eggs v non caged eggs still goes on because enough people are still indifferent about it
Do you really care about a chook compared to someones chose industry?
but one would assume if everyone chose free range eggs then we would need more people to collect them (wider area than caged, therefore longer per egg to collect one would assume)
so, you're telling me you actually prefer animal cruelty to reducing unemployment…
People can choose what industry to work in. The poor animals have no say in the way they are treated and have no recourse to leave if they are unhappy with the conditions. Animal cruelty is never ok.
I think I am going to speak this outside of the whole animal cruelty issues; my inner Economics nerd compelled me.
People moving from one industry to another incurs cost, such as time, money etc. Sometimes it's not viable option for them to move industries. If you have spent 50 years being a farmer, it's highly likely that you would not be able to go to other industries as you are too old to start anew. Even if you are not too old to start new, it's going to take time and moeny getting into new industry. So there are going to be people left behind if we tell them to change without adequate supports.
Then why not make them to turn their operation cage free? Ethical issues aside, caged eggs require less resources, land. So telling them to change is essentially telling them to become inefficient in production. If they do not have enough land, it might be impossible to be cost competitive for them to be in the market. Price of agricultural goods usually are set by the market, therefore only way to make profit is by becoming more cost competitive. To become more competitive, it's likely that they need to produce more. So should they buy more land, invest more money? How? Getting a loan? How are they going to pay off their debt, when the price of eggs usually are set by the market?
That being said, I am not going against your idea nor supporting it. I simply saw something that is incorrect from my perspective. People moving from one industry to another is not a easy task, if not impossible. That was the only point I wanted to raise. Of course, there are moral issues that may allow us to forgo the economical reasons, I am not denying that. I am simply stating that changes are going to incur cost one way or another.
@AznMitch: "If you have spent 50 years being a farmer" doing things the WRONG way then why change indeed. Because of public opinion? I would hope because you finally woke up that its wrong. But yes, we all have different opinions, its what makes us human, some more caring than others.
@clarky: I didn't bring any judgments on cage free egg issue to the table. As I said, I sort of took an amoral stance on this issue and focused on something that is ignored. I will elaborate what I meant.
Farming is usually a family business. Many farmers, I think have been farmers as a family tradition. They just followed what their older generations did. I personally don't think the farmers are to blame on this issue.
I am not saying that they shouldn't change. I am simply pointing out that even if they want to change, that change might not be possible without help; it is costly and time consuming. So should we tell them, tough luck, you've been benefitting from animal cruelty, now either you change or die trying? It's their livelihood we are talking about. I am simply saying that we should not ignore those costs attached to it.
Flying Ace, why the problem and neg vote for this deal when your previous voting history shows you had no issue upvoting deals on leather, pizza, ice cream, Grill'd hamburgers, hungry jacks, & cosmetic items - all deals involving products that exploit animals, livestock & their living conditions.
@AznMitch:
Have a look at the reality -I don't think Pace Farms has been a family run business for a loooong time.
Yes there are still smaller family operations, but there aren't that many to warrant supporting their cruel acts. Don't even get into the chicken meat market (inghams, baida etc).
I buy our free range eggs from family run free range farms. These people care for the animals, as its the same stuff they're eating. Funnily enough, I've seen a rise in families switching to barn/free range laid eggs to compete against the pittance Pace farms pays farmers for their eggs. Small farms can't compete against the cage egg producers - it really isn't such a huge investment to switch to free range.
Regarding your economics - the price of free range eggs is 200%+ difference. Surely a farmer who has been around 50 years (so probably own their land/sheds) could get a bit of finance to switch to free range. I'm sure it would take a few years to break even, but eventually you would be part of the continuing/growing market of free range eggs, rather than the diminishing cage egg market.
We have poultry at home (ducks - which I can see playing in their pond from where I'm sitting)… there is no way I would inflict the pain that cage egg production causes on them.
With food recalls like the berrys currently happening - this will drive more people to question where their food comes from.
Wow, what egocentric point of view. Wellbeing of a fellow person? Very the suffering of billions of chickens every year around the world? Your mind set makes me sick
So how many chickens is a human worth?
With that logic are you agreeing with the hunting of whales for their meat and blubber, and elephants for their ivory?
Why not go out of your way for free range chicken meat also?
Going a step further, I'd definitely pay more for meat from animals that were killed straight from the paddock from mobile slaughterhouses. But that would be crazy to take this so far off topic.
im vego because this isn't really possible :(
What you say is impossible regarding meat is actually no more possible with any animal products including eggs and milk. A logically coherent consideration of animal interests requires nothing less than veganism.
@thevofa: it's near impossible to be vegan, tried, doesn't work, even a girl I know who was vegan for most her life stopped because she couldn't
@clarky: imagine applying that logic - "I and a friend tried and we found it hard therefore it's near impossible" - to other things in life!
@thevofa: yeah like climbing a sheet of glass with no equipment or jumping out of a plane with no parachute. I get the idea though, I follow the 80/20 rule. And the impact that has been reduced drastically by being vego vs everyone else is huge, my footprint has been reduced by 99%. This kind of living is much easier to promote, if you sold veganism to people they wouldn't take it up vs vego. My 2 cents.
@clarky: That's such failed logic clarky, not unlike what you might hear from indiscriminate eaters generally when they try to justify their actions without any proper consideration. To live vegan requires no equipment. In fact, outside of exceptional circumstances living vegan (and particularly eating vegan food) is easily made cheaper and more readily accessible than the alternatives.
As a vegetarian you are responsible for arguably more damage to animal interests than good. In Australia no "farm animals" fare worse than dairy cattle (who are repeatedly impregnated, have their children stolen and their reproductive systems exploited to exhaustion) and egg laying hens (who due to their low cost suffer the worst welfare conditions) - as well as their baby calves and baby cock brothers who are killed near birth. You may not be killing as many as indiscriminate eaters but you sure are torturing the few that you do a lot more.
That kind of living might be easier to promote but that means nothing except that it's easier to promote.
@thevofa: In war there are casualties also but the world can never be without war, its just a fact of life. Id prefer 10 people to be vegos and eat no animal then 1 vegan and the 9 still eating meat.
You use a computer ,wear clothes, drive car/train/bus/bike/walk, watch tv, use phone, etc, all these products you have killed animals someway by displacing them, using their land for the factories, helping climate change, melting ice floes. Finding a middle ground in mass numbers is more effective.
@clarky: I can't really see the significance of that metaphor but I'll bite anyway:
Even though you might think the world may never see the end of war you still have the choice of refusing war yourself and telling others the same. (Yet apparently you don't!)
Further, if you believe advocating for smaller bombs rather than peace is a morally defensible position then there's probably not much else I can say here.
As a vegetarian myself, I really don't think you grasp how effectivly you can consider animal interests without turning to veganism.
"A logically coherent consideration of animal interests requires nothing less than veganism."
Ignorant and just plain incorrect, my guess is you are neither and are merely offering your flawed opinion on something you neither have experience with or understand
@thevofa: Its not about biting, its about waking up. The whole world doesn't think like a single person, and its incredibly naive to think that they will. And to go with the metaphor response from you above, there never will be peace, just look at cease fires, they never work. So as a reflection, veganism will never work, just like how you are not a true vegan, you still kill animals with your western life style, even if you buy second hand goods, use candles, drop toilet whatever, you still consume, therefor you still kill animals. This is as true as death and taxes unfortunately, so a middle ground is what you have chosen also.
Thanks for the debate! :)
@Reubzy: How does vegetarianism address these violations of interests?
For dairy cattle:
Having their tails cut off, branding and other amputations/mutilations?
Their repeated insemination?
The repeated taking away of their offspring and killing them?
Killing them when their milk supply wanes?
Being bred into servitude?
For egg laying hens:
Having their brothers killed at birth?
Being confined in variably small spaces their entire life?
Often enduring a life of no sunshine or fresh air?
Killing them when their egg supply wanes below economical levels?
Sometimes having their beaks seared off?
Spending their entire existence in a colony thousands of times bigger than what they have been evolutionarily adapted too?
It seems to me Reubzy that you only consider animal interests in as much as they don't affect your own - which is not really proper consideration at all.
Why not go out of your way for free range chicken meat also?
Its what I do, I try to avoid any chicken that I dont know is free range
There's still a very large supply of (and demand for) caged eggs.
I'm sure there's still a very large (commercial) market for caged eggs — say, fast food chains, restaurants, baked good producers and such. Mcdonald's until very recently due to public pressure, announced that they will stop using caged eggs by the end of 2017. So they'll continue to use caged eggs for the next 2 years or so, and until then business is still booming.
I'm sure other small businesses like bakeries, restaurants and food retailers will buy up plenty of these caged eggs anyway, regardless of whether end consumers intend to avoid buying them.
"There are significant costs associated with altering farming methods to switch to free-range production," said IBISWorld industry expert Brooke Tonkin.
Yet farmers who resisted the free-range trend ran the risk of being caught in an oversupply of cage eggs.
"As supermarkets and fast food outlets change their purchasing policies, cage eggs producers could find themselves having to accept lower prices from downstream players, or selling their eggs for processing into low-value powder," Ms Tonkin said.
At the other end of the food chain, cafes, restaurants and other food services already operated with tight margins and could face significant bottom line challenges because of the shift to more expensive free-range farm output.
Supermarkets sold about 1.5 billion eggs in 2014-15 with the major retail players using free-range brands to command an ever-increasing share of egg sales revenue and future volumes.
"Supermarkets have been quick to take advantage of the higher margins attached to free-range eggs, and are keenly advertising the responsible sourcing of their products to justify the price hike," said IBISWorld's Stephen Gargano.
Agree. I only buy happy-chicken eggs. In some European countries, cage eggs were banned long ago.
I don't want my chooks running around not focusing on their job.
I have a Caged egg Chicken. She is now free Range. She was rehabilitated before I get her. Her beak was badly filed, and she now has trouble pecking. You would not get a Better chicken for eggs. I now feel very sorry for caged egg chickens. And I would not buy them. Sorry OP
My best friend has four rescued caged chickens and they are so adorable. They all have a personality and they're all very affectionate!
My brother got them from some rescue place, he told me his are now long Range chickens….as he told me they go up the road and eat all day and only come back at night. They are great chickens
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Not sure when the deal ends
According to your link, the price is valid from 16/02 to 23/02
just wondering how many packs of dozen eggs do people purchase a week? if you go through a dozen per fortnight vs say 2 dozen per week….
Why? I guess some people would go through more than other people.
just thinking that if a person goes through 2 dozen per week then with caged eggs they can save a minimum $5 per week, over $250 per year
I eat four eggs every weekend
Fascinating, what about Wednesday?
What happens on Wednesday?
I go without eggs. It's a fascinating life really. I'm sure egg makes it into something I eat, cake, pasta, quiche maybe….
I eat between 1 and 2 dozen eggs per week which are a mixture of pastured and free-range omega-3 enriched eggs (I much prefer to be eating pastured eggs since in my opinion pastured is the only truly legitimate definition of free-range). I consume these as part of a low-carb diet that I've been on for 2+ years now and my bloodwork always comes back better than ever.
I never eat conventional cage eggs. Ever. Quite aside from my ethical objections to such farming practices they tend to be nowhere near as good for you so you are actually getting more nutrition for your money as well.
I buy and eat no eggs per week or fortnight. Family members do, but I don't eat any, and am oblivious to the rate at which they eat their eggs.
However, on the verrrrry odd occasion I will buy a half dozen eggs. Maybe once or twice a year - and those eggs are for my pets as treats. I'd love to get eggs straight from someone's home-kept chooks but don't know anyone who keeps chickens :(
why don't you eat eggs?
www.ripenearme.com I sell my chook eggs through this site. Local produce, some for free. Spread the word…. :)
I've heard a lot of talk about something like this. Glad somebody decided to fill the niche, thanks for posting :)
Although the only thing near me is stinging nettles for 50c. Not that masochistic tbh
How much do you make on the eggs?
I eat 3 eggs scrambled for breakfast every other day.
This is no bargain. Cage eggs are cruel. There is a reason they're banned in Germany and Switzerland etc.
I didn't choose to be a human… And a chicken didn't choose to be a chicken.
A lot of people don't know about how eggs are made, a chicken lays it yes, but that chicken is like a factory machine that only 'lives' for a few years. In a small cage. Like an inmate. A bit sad really.
That is a LOT of KFC!
mmm $9 Tuesdays..
I agree. I don't understand why people choose to buy eggs from chickens which are locked up, rather than those which are free to roam.
But then there's a lot I don't understand about people.
It's because some people care more about saving money than chicken welfare.
Where can I buy free to roam eggs?
These eggs are widely available in supermarkets:
EDIT: oh, I see what you did there
I haven't found them anywhere.
Egg cartons are so restrictive!
You'd think they could at least give them windows, but no, "that would cost too much".
I open the carton lids in the supermarket to let them breathe. Then once I get back to the car I let them roam free on the back seat.
Good man. So human beings should eat grass only, lol. If you still eat meat from killed animals (in whatever way), it's fake sympathy.
Not really. Quite aside from how an animal dies, and why, there is still a distinction between those that suffer throughout their lives and those that don't. I mean you're essentially suggesting that advocating for harm reduction is no better than not giving a sh1t at all, and that's ridiculous.
Have you ever treat cockroaches cruelly? Do you only advocate kindness for those that are beneficial to human? Then it's all false kindness. Be pure and genuine.
nj8842 has a point, Lets say you only had $50 grocery money a week and chose to use the money you saved buying caged eggs and donate to charity, we would look at this topic differently. So in a sense it is fake sympathy.
And we also forget the practice of instant culling of male chicks, so should we ban all egg products?
It is a bargain, just one you oppose on a moral basis.
have you been a chicken? how do you know a chicken didn't choose to be a chicken?
But you have chosen to be humane :)
Human beings are good at lying to themselves. There's no such thing called "humanely eat meat". I eat meat, but I know what I am doing and won't feel offended if vegetarians doubt it. Is there a way to humanely eat human?
I didn't choose to be a human… And a chicken didn't choose to be a chicken.
And a bug didn't choose to be a bug.
And a plant didn't choose to be a plant.
And a rock didn't choose to be a rock.
But I chose my Eevee to become Vaporeon.
I don't know where I am going with this. I need coffee.
Pokémon glorifies cock-fighting, shame on you!
10 cents an egg looks like a bargain to me.
Caged cruelty. No bargain.
tommyc, why the neg on this deal when your voting history shows you upvoted previous bargain posts involving discounted meat, poultry, pizza, takeaway, beef jerky & Grill'd hamburger deals? Most of those deals involve products sourced from caged animals & produce?
I just came here to see the mass debate. It's been quite emotional really.
Epic facepalm at some of the moral and ethical reasoning here.
Too tired to explain why (gotta wake up in 5 hours), but let me quote this excellent piece:
Why should we so selectively expend moral capital championing a triviality of the poultry industry, when about 1100 deaths in a factory collapse in Dhaka (a disaster like others just waiting to happen) changes little in public discourse on our complicity in the exploitative measures employed by clothing manufacturers in developing countries - do we really care more about chickens than we do Bangladeshis? […] Australians would sooner bicker over the ethical implications of their omelet than they would demand greater transparency from major retailers.
I'm not sure I understand your point.
So because there are other issues worth arguing about we shouldn't argue about this one?
No. The debate is fine. But don't force other people to buy noncaged eggs, and it's definitely not OK to make people feel bad because they're buying caged eggs. What if they can't afford it?
I'm peeved that some people are forcing their moral and ethical concerns on others when they themselves are part of a bigger problem themselves.
We're all in the same boat, rocking it. We're all contributing to some sort of bigger issue. The environment, climate change, wasting food etc. and everything that is wrong with the world today. We're all contributing towards it, directly or indirectly.
But you don't look at your neighbour and say 'hey, you're a real monster you know. supporting the caged egg farmers'
@scrimshaw: I agree it's not cool to make other people feel bad about their choices.
Though I think, if done in a way that is non-judgmental and is purely informative (non-sensationalised info!), it is still important to discuss topics like this where people find themselves ethically or morally divided/opposed. Sometimes it's a case of people simply being unaware of uneducated on matters, leading them to certain choices.. while other times, say in the caged egg situation, it may be more a case of finances/affordability forcing some to choose the most inexpensive option available despite any downsides (whether it is of a concern to them or not).
But yes, as you say, and again, I do agree - not cool to judge others harshly. Information is the best tool to get important messages across. Not abuse. Definitely.
@scrimshaw: Fair enough. Neg revoked.
Yes, we're all contributing to it. How could 7 billion people not be? At the end of the day we each have to choose what bits we are most concerned about and focus on those. And discussing those choices can then help others make their own choices.
@scrimshaw: Very poor reasoning. No ones forcing anyone to do anything here. They're voting based on how they feel, no ones asking the post to be removed because of their ethical reasoning. Of course it's okay to make people feel bad about it. Appealing to people's sense of morality is a great way to get people's attention and to enact change. If you don't feel for another person/animal's plight then you'll keep on ignoring the issues. It's like the refugee dilemma we face in Australia right now. People would rather turn a blind eye or accept the Government's reasoning that these people are 'illegals', like that justifies indefinite detention and inhumane treatment. People would rather go along in life pretending like there aren't these horrible things happening under our noses because it'll make them 'feel bad'. Ignorance is bliss, right?
People would rather go along in life pretending like there aren't these horrible things happening under our noses because it'll make them 'feel bad'. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Do you care about the prey of panthers, raptors and killer whales?
What about rats, ticks and mosquitoes?
What about the people who may be suffering on a planet of Alpha Centauri?
Do you know what is happening in every household of X developing country? What about those of your own street?
My point is, that at some degree of separation (socially, culturally, geographically, etc.) it is rational to not care about the welfare of another thing. At the moment it is trendy to care about the welfare of certain cute animals in western culture, but it is arrogant to push that on others who don't even share the same framework of values.
I just came here to see the mass debate.
Now say that out loud. heh.
haha
<3
Everyone loves a bit of mass debating around here :)
Caged eggs taste disgusting and support animal cruelty. We've got three very happy backyard chickens, we get three eggs a day.
are you in suburbia?
Yup - 20 minutes from Perth
Sounds like they have no choice and are caged up like battery chickens to satisfy your lust for 3 eggs daily.
Absolute bargain. Fed up with all fake sympathy. All free range chickens can't feed all you guys.
"* Study found enclosed hens less likely to suffer from pecking or fractures
* High profile campaigns have pushed up free range egg sales dramatically
* But expert claims they could also have poor standards of living"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2504766/Free-…
dailymail…lol.
Don't know if the hens think this is a bargain.