Steggles Frozen Chicken Breast Tenders 375-400g $3.74 (Save $3.75) @ Woolworths 30/04
Steggles Frozen Chicken Breast Tenders 375-400g $3.74 (Save $3.75) @ Woolworths 30/04
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Mmmmm,
Tender Breasts
I wonder if they are real!
I won't buy it for the same reasons I won't buy cage eggs or things like bob veal.
If you're playing up the animal cruelty angle, then I have some bad news for you.
Western abattoirs don't humanely slaughter their livestock either.
We use two methods to render the cattle unconscious: captive bolt guns (i.e. essentially a big hammer to the back of the head) or stunning via electric shock.
With a captive bolt gun the bolt goes into the skull and is retracted; this can take up to 6 shots to render the animal suitably unconscious but the animal must not be killed before having its throat slit since a beating heart is needed to continue to expel as much blood as possible to avoid later infections.
So you only end up inducing a twilight state of unconsciousness that the animal easily slips in and out of.
In the meantime while the cattle is restrained and having its brains pulverized, it is undoubtedly in sheer agony.
With electric shocks, the voltages needed to render animals the size of cows unconscious also burn their flesh and paralyze their muscles (including respiratory muscles); so the cow asphyxiates to death, suffers burns and then has its throat slit just to top it off.
And they are not 100% fool-proof as even executions of humans via the electric chair shows; signs of life are observable even after prolonged electrocution (though on the surface it seems peaceful since the current paralyzes the victim's muscles).
ECG/EEG analysis has shown that cattle still show signs of brain response in both methods of slaughter for up to 30 seconds to a minute; even after being stunned and then having their throats slit.
There is some conjecture that Halal/Kosher slaughter methods might actually be better from an animal rights stand-point since slicing both major arteries in the neck immediately causes a massive drop in blood pressure and a loss of consciousness follows quickly after; and both ritual slaughter methods dictate the use of sharpened sharp, non-serrated knives.
The cow also doesn't have to be restrained or made to feel psychologically aware of its impending fate by being subject to blunt force trauma and electrocution; which may from a psychological point of view be more beneficial rather than herding cattle into confined spaces/restraining them.
Halal slaughter as performed in Australia has no resemblance to the way Australia's live cattle exports are treated in Islamic countries; since our incredibly heavy-handed animal protection laws make for jail time and fines for farms who attempt that kind of stuff here.
Aside from that, both Halal and non-Halal slaughter methods cut the jugular and carotid arteries, exsanguinate the animal and then chop it up; there really isn’t more than one way to skin a cat in this case.
Nevermind the actual treatment and farming practices employed in most Western McFarm Concentration Camps which would probably turn most "holier-than-thou" hypocrites into vegetarians overnight if they experienced them first-hand.
As someone who eats both Halal and non-Halal meat pretty regularly I can tell you the Halal-slaughtered stuff has a more… "robust" flavour. There's a distinct difference in the taste for me.
Because consuming any blood is very forbidden in Islam and Judaism, they have to drain the animal very well; and I think this gives the meat a slightly better taste.
That's just my tastebuds talking by the way, I am in no way whatsoever upholding Halal food as inherently "better".
But I'm no vegetarian hippy either. If it walks on four legs and you can barbeque it, it's going in my stomach.
Apologies for the length of that but I am tired of hearing this bullsh*t.
Since when does the word slaughter have a civilised element to it?
There's no way of killing a mammal that isn't going to be painful for it, since they're chock full of nerve endings and the electrical impulses that travel up their spine are lightning-quick.
Arguing that one form of slaughter is better than another sounds to me like some Medieval degeneracy.
Interesting, but I'd love the links for your information. You also stated that brain activity is present which is not the problem. Do they test their pain-feeling activities in the brain at that time(ie the nociceptive response). It's about reducing the cruelty. I already know they suffer, but I'd hate them to feel pain beyond a fleeting one(if that). It's not ethical to eat meat(especially those with developed central nervous system) IMHO, but we do it anyway. Moreover there are plenty of unethical things that are still widespread, and socially acceptable(I won't go into that now).
Generally the quicker the kill, the less pain, the halal method of slaughter is definitely nowhere quick.
I'm a former vegetarian, with science background, and have watched the slaughter of cows. I've also researched this topic(halal slaughter) to no avail. I'm also very familiar with Islam in southeast asian countries.
Interesting, but I'd love the links for your information
I was a farm hand for half a dozen years in the WA wheat belt, and got to see my fair share of abattoirs in operation, up close, a few of them Halal certified.
Trust me, they do not go peacefully and humanity is the least of your average slaughterman's concern (unless there are cameras or inspectors around). People tasked with that job are generally not the kind of folks with an extraordinary amount of empathy or sensitivity to middle-class Australia's moral crusades.
Even though I eat meat I heavily condemn industralised/factory farming, modern society's total dependance on it and lack of willingness to break the mould (pervading lack of food sovereignty and self-sufficiency) and the unscrupulous, wholly unsafe "safety" and regulatory practices of multinational agribusinesses who force farmers worldwide to comply with their agendas.
There's a watershed for me between the question of whether meat consumption is moral (which is an existential-philosophical issue), versus whether modern farming practices are ethical, safe and sustainable (which is a matter of dollars and sense).
If I could I would hunt/catch my own food; and I have done so before. But it's prohibitively expensive, time-consuming and legislatively-challenging in a country like Australia, unless you are a primary producer.
Moreover there are plenty of unethical things that are still widespread, and socially acceptable(I won't go into that now).
That's precisely my point.
People who choose to eat industrially-farmed meat have no basis to complain because they are moral hypocrites. Not to mention the other highly questionable sh*t they put into their bodies on a daily basis that they justify via cognitive dissonance.
already know they suffer, but I'd hate them to feel pain beyond a fleeting one(if that).
Now you're applying human morality and anthropomorphized emotions to creatures with an entirely different biological history and evolution, who are not even on the same plane, biologically speaking.
Asking how much a cow can "suffer", as if it's reliability proven that cows comprehend the difference between stimuli like pain receptors being triggered versus the socio-psychological concepts of death, the afterlife and regret/anxiety and have a well-developed enough memory to be able to see the realisation that their life on Earth will be extinguished; is like saying how much a Dolphin cares that North Melbourne beat Fremantle versus how much a Bulldog cares.
These are highly intangible concepts that cannot be reliably quantified. What we know is that physically there are electrical impulses being transmitted after stunning and severing the arteries which would infer some sensations that could be consciously unpleasant.
You're confounding two very separate metrics to judge the morality and ethical nature of abattoirs. Physical sensations of pain, as the impulses are perceived by the brain, versus "suffering"; and that I don't see as being remotely comparable.
We have no idea how this translates into "suffering" as we humans quantify it. What we do know for certain is that the "stunning" performed in Western abattoirs does not actually make the cow forget the fact that it is in the process of dying.
The cow doesn't have its memory erased nor is it anesthetized.
Generally the quicker the kill, the less pain, the halal method of slaughter is definitely nowhere quick.
Western methods of slaughter are designed to give the superficial appearance of tranquility by rendering voluntary muscular movement impossible.
It's much the same line of reasoning used for lethal injections which are in fact, not "painless" at all.
I'm also very familiar with Islam in southeast asian countries.
I also like flying a kite.
What does Islam in South-East Asia have to do with Halal slaughter performed here?
I feel like I've been waiting my whole life for an intelligent response like yours. Now, you've used two complex concepts. Anthropomorphize and cognitive dissonance.
What I see is that cognitive dissonance occurs to us in some degree. The absolute is not known, maybe it will never be known. Life is rife with contradictions and hypocrisy. And bias. We have flaws in logic and rationality.
You seem to think that humans are beyond other animals and have superior pain-feeling abilities. As it turns out nociceptive response in other animals have some scientific basis. Even humans, when in pain specific areas in the brain 'light-up' in a scan. You can see how congenital analgesia, where a person feels no pain do not have that lit under ordinarily painful stimuli.http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2013/04/10/first-objec…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16810003
Now I do not think biologically-speaking ruminants and birds are very different from us(not just in the primordial soup sense). For example a cow can move, give birth to its young, breastfeed, eat, breathe in the same air as you and I, sleep, defecate, copulate. It's a prey for predators with the characteristic eyes, slow speed and bulky body. It's a mammal.
Here is some sources I found(google scholar search) from academic journals and science/psych sites:
http://www.ledonline.it/index.php/Relations/article/viewFile…
http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JVMAH/article-abstra…
https://acvc.confex.com/acvc/2013/webprogram/Paper1296.html
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.388…
http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Food-and-Agriculture/Bovine-gen…
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019172632.ht…
There are good reasons why we do medical research for humans on non-human animals.
Now the concept of pain is hardly an exclusive human condition. We have monitored response of chimps for example (there are a specific responses that we know of indicate show fear, anxiety, in pain).
It is probably impossible to ever understand how exactly a non-human animal feels, that's why the more studies we do the more we will understand. In the meantime, we try to live a life as less painful to others as we humanly can. That means certain things will fall in the loophole of 'societal acceptability', 'convenience', 'health', and worst of all 'convention'.
Personally I think an empathic person is more evolved than a less-empathic one, but hey to each his/her own right?
In other news… It's half price!
After reading all that i feel like a big mac!
Any free bigmac deals peoples?
These are great. They were about the same price at Coles last week. Unfortunatley I don't have any gift cards for Woolies.
Inghams 100x better.
Steggles says it's 100% breast meat/tender, but doesn't look it, whereas the Ingham ones look like real breast tenders.Ooh - battle. Got the Ingham ones a couple of weeks back when they were on 1/2 price special. 20 mins in the oven, Delicious! Juicy, crispy crumb. Yum! - will have to try these and compare!
Believe it or not the "woolworths select" ones are pretty great too!
I disagree. Steggles are far superior to the Ingham ones.
Also if you have a decent nonstick frypan (not the $9 ones from kmart) you can do these in that. No oil required. Takes less time and results are better IMO.
You're also not paying the halal tax on Inghams.
Wait - are you negging because it's in another post? - allowed if it's not in the heading. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/help:deal_posting_guidelin…
Yeah, it's totally ridiculous to have almost all of the 50% ones split out individually because people are too stupid to do even a basic search before posting.
I think Coles have the Inghams' ones 1/2 off till tomorrow?? (Well either Inghams or Steggles)
Convenience foods can be great, but not so much in this case.
How long does it take to slice a fresh breast (or one you've frozen) and thrown on some (pre-made) breadcrumbs?
Why eat this frozen crap? It doesn't even take any longer to do it properly, since it cooks faster than frozen.
Go on, you know it will be more tasty and satisfying. </jamieoliver>
sometimes i'd rather pull something out of the freezer, than having a cook out just to catch up on the use by dates of my groceries, but home made nuggets are 2nd only to maccas nuggets!
Assuming you have fresh chicken on hand…otherwise add shopping time. I like to have these in the freezer just in-case I can't cook one night for whatever reason.
This Frozen Chicken Breast has more bread crumb/flour batter than chicken.
As is the case with crumbed fish, can't recall the name of the brand but it regularly goes on half price special. There's only 45% fish and the rest is batter.
Not very healthy food. I used to eat lots of them thinking it was good for diet until I read the ingredients list.
Very smart of you!
The I&J fish finger has 80% bread crumb and only 20% fish. All these fish/chicken fingers won't fill your stomach, but to give you a very bad sore throat. It also increase your cholesterol and blood pressure level.
They should rename it to: "Bread fingers, with traces of fish"
I don't know the %, but the Ingham ones i had were large/reasonably thick fillets. Lots of meat.
is it free ranged chicken or caged?
Barn chicken. https://www.steggles.com.au/index.php/quality/farms
You should also check out the Checkout's coverage on the caged/barn/free roam chicken fiasco. Quite enlightening.
Cages are only for eggs, not meat.
I assumed they do their time in a cage, then cut up as meat.
Theearth - you're a cheeky little s……steggler!
mmmm..tender breasts
Just back from Coles, all their similar frozen breasts like four brands were all half price.
The Steggles tenders are not individual pieces of chicken - they are formed to look that way from minced chicken meat - with all that 'convenience' that process allows the manufacturer.
Inghams, Woolworths Select, and the Coles tenders ARE all made from real individual pieces of breast meat, and we buy them all, in that order of taste preference.
The Inghams tenders are regularly on special at both of the big supermarkets, usually for $5, occasionally for $4. We do 'tend' to stock up then.
Good to see someone keeping abreast of the puns on offer.
Ewwww I didn't know that
Yeh I found this out the other day when I made a chicken sandwich. I wanted to use one big 'tender' for 1 sandwich so I cut it down the middle like you would butterflying a piece of chicken and saw to my horror it resembled one big chicken nugget. Couldnt believe it, the box clearly has a real tenderloin on it, I felt cheated.
Steggles is a budget product. Try the equivalent Inghams pieces and you'll never go back.
Inghams all the way, I'm a steggler for quality.
Great Product;
I agree with Amar89, the method of slicing the main arteries at first instance is the more humane way of slaughtering a cow, sheep, duck, or what have you
Chroma; your stupid fairytale of a Cow is "asleep" when it's stunned needs a reality check. Where have you seen someone who has been electrocuted anywhere between 0.5mA to 5,0000A come back after being unconscious/zapped and say; "WHOA, what happened? I feel asleep, it was a nice sensation though" douchebag, grow up!
Stop labelling Halal with cruel, if you can't stand the direct slicing of the jugular vein without a pre-Shock, then why do you gorge on Chicken you dope? No Chicken abattoirs stun chicken, they are all mechanically sliced at first instance via a machine and dumped into boiling water…if you cant eat halal food because of the slaughter method, then you cant eat chicken you nutcase.
From the RSPCA:
What is Halal Slaughter in Australia?
TL;DR version: Stunning renders the animal unconscious is the premise and the Australian standard. Halal is a religious standard.
To be "moral", don't eat the flesh of another species.
Look, the stunning technique is all well and good, it's a step in the right direction (but far from a proven solution) but if anyone wants any proof of the concept that immediately and instantaneously cutting off the blood supply to the brain might actually produce a more "humane" result (as in Halal/Kosher slaughter techniques), then you only need to look as far as mixed martial arts, Ju-Jitsu, Judo or any combat sport involving the application of blood chokes to the human neck.
Might sound like a weird analogy, but hear me out.
Anyone remotely familiar with that stuff will be able to relate that when a person's carotid and jugular arteries are compressed, in a choke hold, a loss of consciousness typically occurs in 12 seconds or less without blood flow to the brain (unlike an "air choke" which takes much longer), and the person to whom the choke is being applied to typically regains consciousness once the choke is released, at upwards of a minute or so.
Moreover, when somebody wakes up from having a blood choke applied, they have quite literally no idea where they are (often they exhibit a snoring reflex during unconsciousness, indicating their brains alpha wave patterns were temporarily similiar to that of incredibly deep sleep), and also often at times assuming that no "gap" in their conscious timeline has ever occurred. They might even resume or otherwise follow whatever train of thought or occupation they were engaged in before they lost consciousness.
Quite often mixed martial artists need to be told what has just taken place before they accept a loss via a submission chokehold in a fight for instance, because as far as their memory is aware, they were fighting one minute and then being pronounced a loser the next, with no consecutive conscious thoughts in between.Now in the case of severing the carotid and jugular arteries, the blood flow to the brain never returns and not only does it never return but any blood that receded up towards the brain past the point of incision is free to simply bleed back out.
I honestly do believe that is about as painless of an execution method as possible in the livestock industry, which necessitates the exsanguination of cattle. (Though I do admit it heavily depends on the right kind of cutting implement and skillful slashing technique being used, as too deep or too shallow of a cut runs the risk of causing immense complications, and it requires well-trained slaughtermen).
If it weren't for the fact that the animal's soft tissue needs to be free of contaminants, then of course we could use all sorts of incapacitating agents in aerosolised or intravenous form to simply knock them out cold and they wouldn't feel a thing, but alas, that would potentially have complications in rendering the meat unsafe for human consumption.
There is no such thing as "humane" killing. This is objective fact; no sugar-coating.
The standard to stun animals stems from the primary intent to inflict the least pain and suffering possible. The animal is made (as intended) unconscious prior to the slaughter process.
The primary intent of "halal" meat isn't to reduce the animal's pain; the purpose of killing an animal the "halal" way is a religious means, under sharia law, to make it permissible to consume the meat. The animal faces "Mecca" to be slaughtered. Reducing inflicted pain on the animal may be a condition to make meat "halal". The animal is conscious whilst slaughtered (enduring stabbing and slashing of knife whilst it bleeds to unconsciousness then death).
You can justify the mode of killing any way you want, but the objective fact remains either way: killing is inhumane.
Let's not even start with graphic videos.
Breast Tenders, Mmmmm !!!