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$19.99 for Scepter 20L Fuel Containers @ Repco
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Scepter is better than the both you linked to.
Can you please elaborate? If so then I will remove my negative vote
the bunnings and repco ones look the same and fuel containers need to adhere to standards so should be the same across different brands.
and thanks to willys below comment (thats now removed) masters do a "Scepter Petrol Jerry Can Squat 20L" for $21.49 so i think repcos claims of the normal (there for cheaper) ones are really worth 40% more than there "sale" price of $20?
i probably wouldnt have negged this deal myself, but i think apate's neg has merit
Bollocks, you cannot say that two products are the same because they meet the same standard! Would you rather be in a Hyundai or a Mercedes in a crash? After all using your logic they both meet the ADR's so they must be the same!
Would you rather be in a Hyundai or a Mercedes in a crash?
if it was me I would review the ANCAP safety ratings before judging anything on brand name alone.
still no one has explained to me why Sceptor is a better brand so my neg stays
your analogy might have worked if you compared a toyota 86 and a subaru brz
http://www.carsguide.com.au/images/uploads/subaru-BRZ-Toyota…
with cheap chinese made jerry cans i dont think you can claim prestige
(in case you dont know what an 86 and brz is, there the same car sold as being different by toyota/subaru)
Take a good look at those ANCAP ratings because the Mercedes gets it's rating on the cars strength and use of strong metal whereas the Hyundai get's it's higher rating with the assistance of electronic aids like seat monitoring which gives points and has taken many a 4 star car to a 5 star rating. A car with 5 star safety rating may not be as safe as another car with a 5 star safety rating and many of the european cars far exceed the requirements.
design is one point.
rubber seals, along with plastic quality are also different.
Nosdan and Apate seem to be under the impression that the Australian Standards also apply to quality of goods not just their performance at the time of the test - this isn't true and the Australian Standards do not say anything about longevity nor is this tested - all that is tested is that these fuel cans meet some simple requirements.
The BMW ones are utter rubbish, these are Australian made but the quality is poor and they do not last long - check the 4WD forums out and you will see hundreds of posts of people having these fuel cans fail.
As for the Willow ones the quality on these is not what it used to be and these are also regarded as poor on the 4WD forums.
The Scepter ones on the other hand are made in Canada/USA, exceed the standards and are far higher quality with spare parts available off the shelf at Repco, compare the build of the BMW/Willow and Scepter and you can see the difference. Scepter supply their plastic fuel cans to the UN and they are used by many military forces around the world - simply because they are well made and last a long time under extreme conditions.
I wish Repco would sell their water ones as I'd like to supplement my petrol cans with them.
Another benefit of the Scepter ones is that the nozzle goes back inside the can when finished so it can't get dirty.
http://www.scepterconsumer.com/auto/specialty/
Scepter was the first to introduce a blow-moulded polyethylene fuel container and has since become a leader in this product category.
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/78777/Willow_Jerrry_Cans_-Venting-_Covering.aspx
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/74700/Metal_or_plastic_j…
http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/showthread.php?178613-Plast…
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/39695/Willow_Plastic_Jer…
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/general-discussion-18/plastic…Another discussion here - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/123647
From what I read in those links:
1) BMW & willow is better than scepter
2) all plastic containers will leak due to expansion so just buy metal ones if you plan to move them or carry them in vehicles
3) the nozzle inside the tank is a bad thingbasically the antithesis of what you wrote
ive personally owned several (7 i think all up?) scepters from repco and was not overly thrilled with them at all. i have had them split as well as simply leak and they dont seem to handle the expansion well. maybe i was just unlucky enough to have got ones with manufactured faults in them
they are not bad as such, they just arent a lot better than anything else.
Any fuel container will leak if overfilled!
Exactly. So why pay more for a Scepter brand?
And there's no need to neg Nosdan, he is only giving us his account of what happened with his experience. More than I can say for anyone else here who still as yet has failed to provide any proof that the ones I linked to at Bunnings/Masters are of a lesser quality than Scepter.
I will pay more for a scepter fuel can because the plastic is different to a BMW or willow. Also having the nozzle inside the tank makes sense. (I used to hate it because my hands will smell of fuel).
Enough arguing. Neg removed.
You must have read different links.
1) BMW and Willow are not better, this is clear in the links I provided especially the BMW ones.
2) Plastic containers leak if overfilled or have poor quality seals, in the links both BMW (mostly) and Willow suffered fuel leaks due to poor seals.
3) The nozzle inside the tank is better as it doesn't get dirty and thus you don't end up with dirt inside your tank.Your negative for this is pointless, you gave this a negative because two different products are cheaper. I suppose you do the same when
an ipad is listed as it's more expensive than the equivalent android tablet,
a mercedes is listed as it's more expensive than the equivalent hyundai car or
a set of bose headsets are listed because they are more expensive than a set of kunwoo specials from ebay….Below are direct quotes from your provided links:
"I have a 20L Willow for cars and a 5L BMW (same brand as this deal) for the mower. The smaller one is even 5 years old but has never leaked during its life"
"I regularly store and transport (from the servo to home) E85 in Willow 20L plastic jerry cans without a problem"
"+1 my willow hasn't missed a beat. No leaks and had it for years."
"Yeah that is a stupid idea sticking the spout inside"
"the willow ones are even better imo because unlike the scepter they don't stick the spout into the tank and submerge in petrol"
Out of interest I also read through the forum links you provided. And I can not say that there seemed to be any overwhelming evidence that these cans are any better than the Willow! Most people didn't and/or couldn't separate the quality of the cans, but merely pointed out differences in the spouts and breathers!
Edit: I must also say that having previously worked in a tyre store/full service petrol station for 10 years, and still owning a can that has the pourer mounted inside the container when filled, is a ridiculous idea! And one that invariably ends up with you having some amount of petrol on your hands when extracting and fitting it!
"This is one question that you will get many varied reports. I have used both, but prefer a good quality plastic one. I have the black Rheem ones for over 15 years and have no issues at all, as well as the Red Scepter Plastic Jerry cans, made in Canada. Prior to using good quality plastic ones I used metal. One leaked from the seam after a very short time, and the others did not seam to seal correctly. "
"I agree about the Willow blue plastic 20lt Jerry cans. Used them in the past for water storage. Within 18 months both were stuffed. Pulled one out of it's carrier to put on the ground to refill and it just split. 2 weeks later the other one did the same."
Willow ones
"I purchased 5 of the red ones from Supercheap a month ago when they were on special for $19, every one of them leaked under the cap due to bad molding of the plastic where the cap seals, maybe they were seconds thats why they were cheap? mine were returned, all the others they had left were the same, tested by screwing the cap on and standing on them.""With the spout inside, there is no need to worry about flushing all the dirt, dust, water and other crap into your fuel tank that collects in the pouring spout on these ones that store it on the outside. Inside = protected = best IMO"
From your own links:
-I have Willow yellows from supercheap and happy with them.
-I have had 5 x Red Willows from super cheap since 2004…I have never had any problems with leaks, cracks or anything.
-I have the yellow and mine have not leaked,
-I think they are probably best jerry you can buy at any price.
-I have both the yellow Willow and the black Rheem, and they have both been good jerrycans,
See, it's not that hard to pick the guts out of a forum topic if you want to!
I'm not saying these are better, I'm just saying that from personal experience that there's bugger all difference too!One could easily shake it to get excess fuel off. Also petrol evaporate pretty quickly. So not really a big deal.
See, it's not that hard to pick the guts out of a forum topic if you want to!
this is what pisses me off about people bitching about harddrives as well. just because they have had one/some die they condemn the brand. when i used to work in IT we spent a lot of effort documenting failure rates over many years and most brand of the millons we sold were all always pretty much on par. sure some people saw way more of one or the other fail, but facts are facts.
its almost like a random game of duck duck
chickengoose…..Agree 100%. If people clearly stated that "this is my experience" and gave their honest account then I wouldn't have a problem with that. Instead, some people make unsubstantiated claims based on one event that happened to them. Worse, others try to make analogies of $20 petrol holders to to car crash safety rates between a $100k Mercedes and a $20k Hyundai. Go figure!
LOL so you pick one of the most expensive Mercedes to compare to one of the cheapest Hyundais!
Mercedes start in the $30k bracket FYI.
And the newer willow containers are not made the same as the older ones, they are still better than the BMW and as I said before compare the three of them and you will see the scepter is better made. There are complaints in the various 4WD forums about the recent willow containers and I have both an older and a newer one (water) and the quality is miles apart.
So are we to assume that because of your experience with your new Willow water containers that do not seem as as good as your previous ones (personal opinion accepted), that the posted item being for the fuel containers are also inferior? I don't think we're comparing apples with apples here!!!
apate linked to a Venture Fuel Can & Flexi Pourer 20L and AdVenture Products 20L Diesel Can And Pourer which are both of unknown quality and brand. I provided information on two commonly available alternatives which are the BMW and the Willow.
The BMW is made by a marketing company and has nothing to do with the car manufacturer and has received constant bad feedback across the 4WD forums and the other is the Willow which is better although still with some bad feedback but recent changes to production may have reduced the quality to the level of the BMW.
apate negged this deal because it was reduced to the level of the two unknown product above despite there being no information about them apart from them being cheaply made.
Willow make all their petrol, water and diesel containers on the same line, the reduction in quality on the water is seen on the petrol and diesel and reflected in forum comments from recent purchases.
Not only do some seem oblivious to changes in production changing a products performance but they also seem to be of the opinion that two products meeting the same standard will perform the same! These are containers used to carry flammable dangerous liquids and recommending and even pushing people towards the two cheap ones from Bunnings and Masters without knowing how they perform is not something I would do - the scepter branded one is a quality product made in Canada from a company that has a reputation to protect and that supplies a lot of military forces worldwide.
At the end of the day if you want to buy an unknown random fuel container that is being sold on price go ahead but don't pretend that you are getting as good a product as the scepter.
Please put the name of the shop in the title.