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Meguiar's Ultimate Wash & Wax in Supercheap Auto Only $15 Save $10
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…and its for 1.42 litres, good quality product at a great price.
What's the difference between this and the Armor All Wash & Wax (7.69litre in Woolies)?
Meguiars > Armor All
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Amor all has got Nothing on this stuff
Why do I get neg'd for asking an honest question?
it is phosphate free and therefore will not take off existing wax or polish you may have on your car. this is very good product at descent price
is the price going down?
What's the difference between this and using a cut off bar of shower soap in a bucket of water?
soap removes any wax you've put on the car.
looks like yellow cordial <3 nom nom noms
cheers ,bought 2
Good price, however not as good as a seperate wash and wax in terms of quality. For those who want to get fast results this is a great deal.
Exactly… it skips some very important steps.
Wash
Clay Bar
Polish
then Wax.And you dont need to use Meguiar's… it's over priced for what it is imo. Meguiars fanboi's dont be offended, just telling it like it is.
Plus vote for those that buy this particular product, but there's better for your money out there folks.
Just speak to any professional auto detailer and they'll tell you what to use (hint- its not Meguiars :)).
for older cars, you shouldn't be polishing every time you wash.
care to name some of those other brands?
i used to use Meguiar's quite a lot but then discovered CarPro, Gtechniq and Wolf's Chemicals. they're not really that much more expensive than meguiars (especially when imported from the UK) but are more transparent with what their products do and don't do.I use Zaino for my car. But polish, not wax. Been happy with it.
Agreed. If car is protected with wax then no need to polish more than once or twice a year. A decent wax should at least last 3 months and longer if topped up with a decent spray wax. Optimum car wax is probably my favourite
Would like to know your recommendations, too. :)
I did a detailing course with CCP…. they run them in diferent parts of Australia.
http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/After that massive eye opener… MASSIVE, I only buy 2 brands.
Menzerna & Wolf's Chemicals. They didnt push any particular brands, but after you know what you are looking at and what to buy, the shopping list narrows quite a lot- at least it did for me.They dont cost a fortune, but used correctly they can offer a professional finish.
They are commercial grade cleaners, so if you dont know what you are doing you can stuff things up (or at minimum waste your money).For those interested in learning more about detailing, have a read of the above site. I'm not associated with them, but I'll happily give then a free plug as a satisfied customer. The site itself has some good resources to start with as well, for those a little intimidated by it all.
You dont have to spend hundreds on a decent cleaning kit. Meguiars have clever marketing, and smash their signs at car shows, and consequently crank their prices up as a "premium" product. But for what you get, your money is definitely better spent elsewhere.
Years ago I had their full multi step process, a garage full of Meguiars crap. Hundreds of dollars worth. It's just not needed folks. Put that money towards a machine polisher and commercial grade stuff, and THEN you'll see what your car can really look like.
Just be open to change is all I'm saying. Meguiars are clever sponsors, thats all.
i learned about Wolf's through CCP as well. but it's a lot cheaper through elitecarcare.co.uk and you can always get 5% off your order with the detailer's world coupon.
Years ago I had their full multi step process, a garage full of Meguiars crap
lol same. but some of their products are quite good when you get them on special i.e. nxt gen liquid wax, ultimate wax, nxt gen car wash, scratch-x, nxt gen glass, paint cleaner. ultimate compound was okay-ish too.
but now i use Wolf's Hard Body i don't need all those waxes i've collected any more
Thanks for the heads-up, UFO (and tdw). Great sites.
I only buy 2 brands. Menzerna & Wolf's Chemicals
For those of us who drive a "basic" car and just want it to look nice without spending a fortune or hours every week washing and polishing, can you suggest a few specific products? Thanks.
Or am I being too simplistic here? :)
Thanks for sharing UFO. Did not know that.
I got the 3 bottles of Meguiar's polishes or detailing kit for my new car when Super Cheap had 20% off after recommendation from my friend.
They are Deep Crystal:
Paint Cleaner
Polish
Carnauba Wax.All were around 100 bucks.
Its a pain to spend 2-4 hours doing that after the wash. I do it every 3-5 months. thinking to get a machine polisher.
Any suggestions on that for car owners? and what are the comparable products from carcareproducts?But after use the car looks great.
For those of us who drive a "basic" car and just want it to look nice without spending a fortune or hours every week washing and polishing, can you suggest a few specific products? Thanks. Or am I being too simplistic here? :)
that's the great thing about products from Wolf's etc. you buy just a few good products that last a long time so you're not spending hours every weekend on your paintwork.
to start off with you really just need…
1 car wash shampoo — nxt gen car wash mentioned here as it's PH neutral1 paint cleaner/prep product — no need to buy a huge bottle of this if you're not going to need it regularly. get a sample size of CarPro Eraser from ECC
1 clay bar — you can buy one of those clay bar kits but likely cheaper to buy just the block of clay from ebay or wherever and cut it up into smaller, more manageable blobs
1 glass cleaner — meguiars nxt gen glass cleaner gets the job done.
1 quick detailer spray - meguiars ultimate quick detailer. you'll need this for the occasional clay barring and cleaning up stains in-between car washes. also good for emergency bird dirt removal. i keep a bottle of this, water, a mini sponge and a microfibre cloth in my car so i can saturate the crap and wash off as much as possible then finish up with the detailer.
1 polish — if you've got a new car, you won't really need to polish if you look after it right from the beginning. normally a fine-cut polish will do just fine i.e. CarPro Fixer or Wolf's fine cut WP2N. you can apply these polishes by hand or with a buffing machine. i don't recommend the machine unless you want to put in some time to learn how to use it otherwise you could end up burning through your paint(!) Meguiar's scratch-x (buy it when SCA discounts by at least 20%) works quite well, actually, for those spot repairs. works best on light scratches where your fingernail doesn't catch on it but i've managed to get some deeper ones out. use a small blob, buff across the scratch :)
1 good wax or paint sealant. personal preference but the Wolf's Hard Body sealant i mentioned above is rated to last about 2 years. easy to apply, just make sure you use a paint cleaner/IPA prior so it bonds well with the paint. it is quite expensive but you only need to use a bit and it's a worthwhile investment.
plus miscellaneous car care products — get a good wash mit or two, wheel brush or two (depends on the design of your rim; vikan make some great brushes), a bunch of foam applicators (meguiars 2pks are durable&reusable), fluffy microfibre cloths (preferably those edgeless ones), glass-specific cloths (look for smooth, close weave), synthetic chamois (i've been using the SCA-branded one for years). if you don't have a severe brake dust problem you don't need a specific wheel cleaner. otherwise CarPro's Trix or Wolf's Deironizer work brilliantly
Great post and good advice.
Further to tdw's list, baring a couple of brand preference differences- its pretty damn good advice!
And dont get scared by the extensize list folks! You dont use all items all the time. It's like having a toolbox of things good to go, regardless of the problems you face.
The first time you work on the car and get rid of all the crap on it is the hardest. Once you prep it and protect it, all you have to do then is maintain it. It's like gardening… you work real hard getting the lawn the way you want it, weed it, edge it, water it… and then its just a matter of maintaining with regular touchups.
To be honest, I'm not really fussed when it comes to what particular brand I wash with to start cleaning the car… just as long as its PH neutral, so its not too harsh and takes away all my hard work in applying all the good layers of shine and protection. And of course its specifically designed to wash cars- not dishes ;). I'm using the Wolf Shampoo atm, but I've everything from Polyglaze, Meguiars, etc…
Same thing with clay bars (to a point- I still have favourites), glass cleaners, and misc products. I too have a SCA synthetic chamois :). Leather is nice, but when it gets old and starts to dry out it leaves crap all over the car and you pretty much have to rewash. The synthetic ones are relatively cheap, and last for ages.
Having 2 different sponges for different parts of the car is also something I like to do. I have 1 sponge that does the roof, the top of the bonnet, and upper body panels to just below the door handles. Another sponge for the lower doors, and the front and back of the car. And then a seperate stiffer brush/sponge for wheels.
For glass cleaner I just use windex :).
As tdw mentioned, dont go all out on massive containers of stuff.
Go with sample packs to start with. Work out what you like to work with, and whats right for your car (age of paint, finish etc), and then build your 'toolbox' from there. I started with the Menzerna sample kit (has 3 different polishes… high, medium, and low cut- depending on level of crap on the paint). Once you get rid of a lot of the crap, you should be able to get away with just light cutting/polishing from then on if you maintain it well enough.In regards to initial spot prep/decontamination, I have isopropanol (used VERY carefully), and of course a fine grade clay bar with lubricant. Brands/lubricant doesnt really matter imo. I just buy reputable brands when they are on sale and I'm running low.
Once I've polished up with Menzerna (again, which one I use depends on how long its been since last full wash), I seal it all up with Wolf's "Hard Body Super Sealant". Again as tdw has said, last ages.
I'm actually thinking of trying Wolf's Shine and Seal as a prep to the Hard Body sealant, just so the brands are the same. But will keep doing what I'm doing for the time being.
Then, once the car is all prepped up I just do a simple regular gentle wash every few weeks to maintain it.
A low cut polish to keep it topped up every now and again and she's good to go.
Then once a year I cut it right back and start again… getting rid of all the built up crap and imperfections.
But gold tips?
Sample packs to get you started, and take your time.
The first one is always the hardest… but damn you'll notice the difference!if money weren't a problem, i'd go around trying every brand out there..ECC is my candy store :D
Is the Ultimate Wax and Wash Ph free aswell?
Thanks, UFO and tdw, for taking the time to share your knowledge. Much appreciated.
Is the Ultimate Wax and Wash Ph
freeneutral aswell?according to this meguiar's faq - http://www.meguiars.com.au/know-how/#q30 - they claim all their car washes are pH neutral
I agree, I tried the wash and wax and found it left the car streaky.
I use Meguiars NXT Gen wash fortnightly and NXT Tech 2 liquid wax about every 6 months for best results and protection.
Also use their glass cleaner not only is it easy and leaves the glass spotless but it gives the interior a kind of new car clean smell.Streaky sounds like too much product. Need about 75mls per 10L.
Yep, good car wash. I use it on my car and it leaves it nice and smooth and shiny :)
I use this stuff and follow it with either the NXT wax or the ultimate liquid wax. The hand applied waxes will last you much longer than the wash and waxes.
both smell great…ultimate wax is like lime jelly ^_^
How often do you wax your car?
The Gold Class flavoured one is $15.00 too!
So which is better out of the two?
If you're too lazy to wax, probably the Ultimate.
Personally, I went out and bought 3 bottles of NXT for this price. Recommended by my detailer to use on my Opticoated car.
Edit: Ribena coloured too ;)
Out of the three, actually!
if you have to use wash & wax products, remember to clean your glass and wipers thoroughly (e.g. clay, IPA)
I hadn't heard of clay bar'ing windows before, but what's IPA? Other than a beer of course. Is claying a window better and/or faster than a normal windex job?
isopropyl alcohol. so sorta related to beer ;)
depending on the condition of your glass, glass cleaner should get it clean. but some glass cleaners leave waxy residues so IPA cleans better. IPA is also recommended for preparing panels before waxing etc.
claying gets glass smooth (like it does with paint) and can remove light water spots. make sure when you clay anything, that you use a good lubricant that doesn't evaporate quickly. meguiar's ultimate quick detailer is actually good for this :p don't use plain water because it's not slick enough. and IPA it again so you don't get clay residue on your glass.
more stubborn water spots need a glass polish. i just did this today with CarPro Ceriglass on my wing mirrors. made 24-year old spotted, slightly scratched glass look like new again o_o
This is a great product, even at its full price you will pay more than other famous brands but its absolutely worth it. I recently fell in love with their products and this is one of my fav…
Fairly expensive for orange juice with a car on the label.
Last time I checked, orange juice is not yellow.
stick to dishwashing detergent then
Just bought one, got a 10% discount next purchase.
10% off your next purchase online for the month of July
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you champion you!
added it to my cart to see what the postage costs would be. $40 shipping in metro Melbourne for one bottle!!!
hahaAll three are on sale in these big bottles.
The NXT, Gold Class and Wash & Wax.
I went for the Gold Class as it's the basic but for a nice wash, can't beat it.
I love this product, and even Jade Aleman of Dulvari Prestige recommends this over some of the stuff available at waxit.com.au, etc…
Thanks for the 10PCSALE code above.
The code doesn't work with sale items? + you have to purchase something before hand. Don't you?
Amazing how many people actually like this low quality product.
I got a small bottle for free, tried and it ended up in a rubbish bin straight away.
Whoever likes this product - try a proper car shampoo and decent quality wax and you won't touch product like this never again!I wouldn't exactly call it low quality. It's certainly no Pinnacle. What do you recommend?
This is one of the better over the counter shampoos around. Much better than the offerings of Armor All and Turtle wax. Just because they have a lot of marketing doesn't mean there shampoos aren't any good. I owe more car shampoos then anyone I know but have this is my arsenal as well.
However, there is a lot better shampoos out there and work out cheaper or similar per wash. Based on a 15L bucket wash:
Meguiars (at discounted price) $1.23 or $2.05 undiscounted
Optimum Car Wash 77c
Dodo Juice Supernatural $1.46
Chemical Guys Wash & Gloss 47cQuick question.
I use Armour wash and Wax for washing my car before doing the polish and Wax. Is it fine, as do waxing later after polishing or I have to use some other washing shampoo without wax?After waxing, I normally wash the car without using any shampoo and use synthetic chamois to dry for few months.
you're supposed to wax after you polish or do other paintwork corrections as it provides a protective layer over your paint.
after you use the wash and wax product, you'll already have that layer of wax.
now if you want to polish your car, you'll have to remove that entire layer of wax first with paint cleaner or IPA, polish, paint cleaner/IPA to remove any polish residue, then re-wax.so while wash&wax products are meant to be convenient, it actually gives you more work to do when you want to polish, so it's preferable to use a car shampoo without wax.
and after you wax, you don't need to rinse the whole car with water. unless you like to see the water beading ;)
Yes you do need to rinse the car after washing it. If you don't your leaving shampoo on your paint.
of course you need to rinse after you wash
his question was:
After waxing, I normally wash the car without using any shampoo and use synthetic chamois to dry for few months.
notice how he says he uses that amorall wash & wax, and then does a separate polish and a separate wax after.
Yeah my bad. I have just misread it. I agree its best to use a normal shampoo before polishing. There is no point in putting something on the paint that needs removed.
I still cringe at the line of washing the car with no shampoo no matter the paint condition.
Thanks Tdw. I will buy a car shampoo without wax. Did not realise it while buying the current one with wax.
Anyways, I was asking for washing the car after 2-3 weeks of waxing. Is it fine to wash it with water alone?Anyways, I was asking for washing the car after 2-3 weeks of waxing. Is it fine to wash it with water alone?
you really won't get it clean enough without using a wash product. and although your paint might not show it, your car gets dirty very quickly especially if you park it outside a lot.
So is it fine to wash it with a car shampoo after waxing it after 2-3 weeks? I thought wax layer will be removed after I wash it with the car shampoo. Cannot wax it that often ( do it every 3-4 months: paint prep, polish then wax)
My car normally stays in the locked in garage and is out on weekends.
if you use a good quality shampoo that's pH neutral, it won't strip off the wax.
and waxing it every 3-4 months is fine with your usage.
Thanks tdw. First I will change my Armour wash and wax with a good shampoo.
Which good PH neutral shampoo you suggest?
A wash and wax is not suppose to replace a wax. It's suppose to act as a topper/booster to your existing wax. Also to give that just waxed look. No wax will waste your polish efforts. Its ok to maybe do it the next day if run out of time but you will need to rewash again. If you don't have time to use a paste wax there is a lot of good spray waxes out there
Clay bars and some car shampoos at a stronger dilution can be used to remove existing wax. Also can use a all purpose cleaner that's safe on paint like optimum.
Never wash a car with just water. You are going to scratch it. Shampoos are there to assist with lubricity and loosen dirt. Chamois are old school. Without the proper technique they will scratch your car too. Microfibre is much better and safer
are all clay bars created equally? e.g would something like this be ok to use on a new car? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5x-Genuine-3M-38070-180g-Auto-Car…
I would suggest it might not be genuine 3M. Whether its any good or not I have no idea. It could possibly come from the same factory that makes 3M or he could be a poor quality copy that mars paint.
Clay comes in different grades as sandpaper comes in different grits. Blue is a medium grade. You could always test it and if causes more than some slight marring then it might be handy for windows. Some marring is acceptable if polishing afterwards
What do you guys think of:
- Autoglym Super Resin PolishI'm planning to purchase it to polish/wax my red car which is had a slightly faded paint
One cap of Eucalyptus oil in warm water - that's all I need to clean my car.
I add polish and wax every 6 months.
Is anyone using Foam Lance and Snow Foaming their cars?
I was looking for Mequires Hyperwash, but I think thats an old line as no one seems to have it anymore.
Good stuff this imo.. leaves a decent coat of wax aswell.