Ripped off on Gas Work done on Campervan - Where to Go from Here?

This is a very long story but I'll try to keep it brief. I couldn't possibly include all the necessary information right off the bat so feel free to ask any questions about the situation. I will be intentionally vague on some details and specifics until any potential legal action is resolved.

TLDR: I got ripped off by a gas company and let down by the government authority responsible for the gas industry and it meant my family was put at risk of harm and I lost money and time. Now I'm considering what my options are for compensation and considering legal action.

My partner and I built a campervan together and it was beautiful (valued at over $100k). But I knew I legally couldn't do gas, not to mention that the standards book costs over $100 alone, so instead I did my research on people in my area who could do the work and found a guy that really knew his stuff. He came out, looked over the van, we made plans and I walked away confident in his ability.

A week or so before the scheduled day I called the company to ask to speak to the technician because I had some questions. They informed me that that technician no longer worked with the company and someone else I'd never spoke to would do the work. I immediately had red flags and asked if he knew everything we'd gone over but they assured me it would be fine.

Fast forward and they do the work and it was shocking. They haven't done half the things we agreed on, they've put several holes through the van that they then haven't even used because they were in the wrong spot and they've not sealed anything or included protection on the piping and none of the gas appliances had been connected to power so can't have been tested. At the time, I didn't know just how bad it was as I hadn't looked through the standards booklet but I could tell something was off.

I decided to contact the government regulator for gas in my area and they ended up sending an inspector out. He agreed it was pretty bad, took some photos and advised us to return to the company and speak with the owner to get a few things corrected. So we did. The company shoved some silicone in the holes, wrapped some protection around exposed piping and sent us on our way with our compliance certificate.

So we hit the road for a shakedown of our newly completed campervan. At our first stop, we smell gas. We call the company and they assured us they pressure tested and there was no chance of a leak but offer to check it over themselves. Partly because we were already four hours away, and partly because we didn't trust the company, we went to a new gas guy where we were and asked him to check the system. Not only did he find a significant gas leak but several major compliance faults and is disgusted at the way they have done the work commenting that they couldn't possibly have tested the system correctly as they hadn't even installed a test nipple at the correct location. He charges us over $100, gives us a defect notice and our first trip away is over. No gas means no cooking equipment or hot water, so we return home.

We contact the regulatory body and speak to the inspector. He seems to not really care and we're starting to not trust him so we ask to speak with someone more senior. We hear from a superior but his advice is still the same: return to the company and get the work corrected. We say that's not good enough and ask for reassurance that the work the company does this third time round is up to code. He agrees to send the inspector out again to check it after they've done the work this time. He also tells me to go in and get the company to explain what they're doing and show me the code.

So we do that. I go in. They justify what they're doing (not well and I'm still not impressed but I guess technically they're right). They show me the standard book and I finally realise just how bad the initial work was but I don't notice anything wrong with what they're doing now. They compensate us for the money we spent getting the leak diagnosed and replace a gas bottle for us. We leave somewhat satisfied though still annoyed any of this ever happened. The inspector comes out goes yup looks good and we leave once and for all.

Now you might assume that's the end of that…. It wasn't.

A year later after our trip - everything has gone great, no issues - we go to sell the van. To do so we need a gas safety cert. We book it in the week before the sale. It gets delayed till the day before. Bit stressful but we're not worried; after everything the gas system went through there's no chance it would fail… The standards haven't changed and our system hasn't changed…

It fails.

The sale can't go ahead. It totally screws my fiance and I who have organised a hire car and motels while the sale happens to get us moved out of the van and back home but all of this hinges on us having the money from the sale. The sale was contractual but without a valid gas cert on the agreed date it is now null and void. We scramble to borrow money off family and get the situation resolved. Thankfully, the buyer is still keen but the gas guy can't fix the work for weeks as he's booked out. I tell him I'll do everything except for the final fit off and beg him and he agrees to squeeze us in the next week but I have a tonne of stuff I have to do to correct the defects. There are multiple. Originally I assumed they would be unclear or unnecessarily technical stipulations in a compliance standards book that is open to interpretation but the gas guy shows me the standards and the failures are blatant.

My fiance takes the hire care and all of our stuff that we had already packed into it home to stay with her mum. I spend the next three days homeless, staying with a relative in a city a few hours away from where we were meant to sell the van, running around like a headless chook buying parts and tools, and fixing the defects. It's grueling work, the weather is crap for the weekend I'm doing it, pouring rain then boiling hot. I'm under the van, lying in mud, drilling holes (I have nowhere to do the work so I'm on my relatives property and their only paved areas are undercover and the van is too tall to fit) through the floor to run new pipework that should have been there from the beginning. By some miracle I get it done and they approve my work, finish things off and re-certify us. I deliver the van to the lady in the nearby town that same day and then crash at a backpackers that night. I need to catch a long haul bus to get back to the city to then catch a plane home. It was an incredibly stressful few days. But it worked out in the end and thankfully her payment for the van goes through quickly so we can pay back family and get our life back on track.

After the dust settles I call the government department furious that this happened. They get someone to ring me back and it's the original inspector. He acts like nothing has happened. I ask him if he appreciates how frustrating and disappointing this experience has been and he ignores the question and just tells me to send through the defect notice so he can go back to the original company that did the work. I ask to speak to his superior again and he says he'll get his boss to call me. It's been a week and no call so I send an email through to him with the defect notice he requested and I've outlined and attached all the tangible material costs incurred. In the email I detail the events as I have above and reference their own policy and standards to demonstrate how blatant and unacceptable it all is. I cc in the department and the big boss who's email I get from my gas guy who has been amazing and supports me in how terrible this work has been (he even suggests I go to a current affair haha). The man who was meant to call me sends a generic email in response to mine that clearly shows he didn't even read it. I reply telling him to try again.

This brings us to now. I'm at a loss what to do. I will be seeking remuneration from the company that did the initial work. I really want to avoid having to go to a lawyer. I don't want to waste the time, money and energy. But I'm also wondering what if anything I should do about the negligence of the government inspector that led to my family and I being put in danger for a year for no good reason other than laziness and greed. And simply getting the material costs covered seems dreadfully insufficient after all the stress and difficulty I've been put in not to mention my labor and the risk of harm brought on my family as a direct result of this. I wanted to go to the ombudsman but apparently, they don't deal with matters in the gas industry. I tried the Fair Trading Commision, but they don't investigate government departments. I'm seriously considering going to a current affair actually because I don't know where else to go. I could go to the ACCC I guess but I don't know that they actually do much nor that they would look into a government department.

Looking for any advice or tips on how to try and get a fair outcome here. Any advice from people who've ever been in a similar situation?

TIA

Comments

  • +20

    I checked out halfway through the story… sorry

    • -2

      But… I gave a TLDR? šŸ˜…

      • +8

        I still felt compelled to read through this titanic double vhs edition of a story. Canā€™t offer any advice but what a stuff around - I reckon itā€™s really gonna have to go all the way to a current affair or similarā€¦. How will they spin this into an outrage piece for their viewers though.. that will be interesting

      • +13

        TLDR:

        • After hiring a gas company to install a gas system in their $100k campervan, the work was dangerously substandard, causing leaks and multiple compliance issues.

        • Despite repeated attempts to have the company fix the work, supported by a government inspector, the repairs were still inadequate.

        • A year later, the system failed a gas safety inspection, derailing a van sale and causing significant financial, emotional, and physical stress.

        • The owner ultimately had to repair the system themselves in extreme conditions to resolve the situation.

        • The government authority was negligent in enforcing standards, and the owner is now seeking compensation and considering legal action.

        • +4

          Great summary, thanks!

        • TLDR:

          You and your partner built a campervan worth over $100k. You hired a technician to handle the gas installation, but he left the company, and a new, unvetted technician did a poor job. Despite regulatory intervention and multiple fixes, the gas system failed inspections, causing significant stress and financial strain. Even after fixing the issues, the van failed a safety cert needed for sale, leading to more complications. You're now seeking advice on how to address the negligence of the original technician and the regulatory body.

        • TLDR (final)

          QLD

      • +2

        Butā€¦ I gave a TLDR? šŸ˜…

        It was too short.

    • +8

      You got half way? Christ.

    • Here's a summary of the key points from old mate ChatGPT:

      Campervan Build: Partner and I built a campervan worth over $100k, outsourced gas work to a trusted technician.

      Technician Switch: Initial technician left; replacement did poor quality work, causing damage and not meeting standards.

      Government Regulator: Contacted regulator; advised to return to the company for corrections; received subpar fixes and a compliance certificate.

      First Trip Issues: Smelled gas during first trip; new technician found significant gas leak and major compliance faults; trip ended, returned home.

      Regulatory Body Response: Regulator's inspector advised same unsatisfactory solution; returned to the company; compensated and received re-certification.

      Attempt to Sell Campervan: Needed gas safety certificate; failed inspection, delaying sale; caused financial and logistical issues.

      Fixing Defects: Spent days fixing defects; stressful conditions; finally re-certified and sold the campervan.

      Complaint: Contacted government department; inspector unresponsive; detailed issues and costs incurred in an email to the department and superior.

      Seeking Advice: Exploring options for fair outcome; considering seeking remuneration from the company, legal action, or involving media.

      • +2

        How many times did ChatGPT doze off?

  • +5

    I could only imagine the long story

    • +5

      Netflix have acquired the rights…

      • Netflix, you're greenlit.
        Who am I speaking with?

  • Don't know how to help but sorry for your experience

  • +1

    So, hold on… Is this gas for cooking or gas for the engine to run on? Both? Neither?

    • +3

      Yes.

    • It's a gas system that supplies LPG from two 3.7kg gas bottles to a stove, oven and water heater.

    • Why?

    • You need to understand what is written.

      Sammy can't legally do his own LPGas installation, but a qualified gas fitter would be able to do it.

    • -4

      1) Spends $100k to build it but another $100 for a book about how to build it is too much.
      2) Knows he cant legally do the gas work, proceeds to do it anyway.
      3)????
      4)Profit

      • +8

        Knows he cant legally do the gas work, proceeds to do it anyway.

        FFS. OP hired a licenced ā€œprofessionalā€ that could legally do the work.

        • -1

          buying parts and tools, and fixing the defects… I'm under the van, lying in mud, drilling holes through the floor to run new pipework that should have been there from the beginning. By some miracle I get it done.

          really?

          • +1

            @meesey: Did you edit OPs sentence and cut it short?

            By some miracle I get it done and they approve my work, finish things off and re-certify us.

            Some work can be diy but it still has to certified by a professional to be legal, which OP did.

        • It's OP's fault for not knowing how to tell a story, that wall of text is dumb and mostly a waste of time reading.

      • maybe try following what is being said…

  • -2

    too long to read

  • How much was this work initially? How much did they refund you initially? How much did it cost you to rectify?

    • Costs are as follows approximately off the top of my head.

      Initial work: $1500
      Gas leak detection from third party: $111 (paid in fall by initial company)
      No charge for the work to be fixed initially but no compensation
      No charge for the work to be fixed the second time and a free gas bottle provided.
      $900 for the gas work to be repaired by the new company and $200 in parts cost to me for my portion of that work which in hoping to be remunerated for.

      • How much hassle are you happy to have to get $200?

      • +1

        Why only $200 and not the other $900?

  • +1

    Thank goodness thats the TL:DR version….

  • Wouldnā€™t a Gas Safety Certificate had to have been issued for the original work ?

    • I have received a gas safety certificate then received a gas defect notice without any change to the standards or the gas system 3 times over now. That's kind of the point. I'm told it's certified then someone new tells me it ain't and no one seems to be able to guarantee me if I really am.

  • +1

    I understand your frustration but "stuff happens" and sometimes we get done over.

    I did an eyebrow raise at the point where you needed the van money to afford accommodation & a hire car but that's just the conservative part of me that like to have emergency money in the bank.

    If the government department has not carried out their administrative duties properly then the Ombudsman or ICAC is your next step. For $1500 is it worth the time & stress?

    • Ombudsman doesn't investigate gas department. Icac was an option I hadn't considered. Will read into it a bi, thankst.

      It's honestly not even about the money. It's about how lazy it is and how much risk there is. The RV gas industry got upgraded to medium risk recently and there was a large report into how poorly the standards were being implemented despite the standards being implemented in response to a wave of deaths from gas. We know of a family (didn't know them personally but only a few degrees of separation) who died recently from gas after a failure with a gas fridge. Mum, dad and their son. Absolutely gut wrenching stuff. I don't know the full story but with what I now know I would bet there were compliance issues involved. They went to sleep and never woke up. That could have happened to my fiance and I.

  • +1

    lucky for us that was tldr

    unlucky for you it was still tl and i dr

  • +1

    Bikies

    • They do gas fitting,now?

  • +3

    Only cost effective solution available to you is to send initial gas man a letter of demand for the $200 you're out of pocket. (Free template available online).

    Everything else really comes down to what the terms and conditions of the contract are between you and gas man one. It will be really hard to prove any verbal agreement, so really will need to rely on whatever you have in writing.

    You came to an agreement with first guy but when you found out he was unavailable, you had reservations about the new guy but accepted a verbal reassurance without revisiting the actual job you required and making sure you were getting what you had previously agreed on.

    At this stage, if you were feeling apprehensive, it may have been wise to at least view any written documents, reassure yourself of bloke #2'a skills and abilities, get a second opinion or terminate the original contract.

    Instead, you trusted your $100,000 machine and the safety and utility of your family to some dude you likely chatted to for a few minutes and shook hands on the driveway.

    When they returned the vehicle to you after the initial installation, how did you become aware the job was substandard and what did the company say when you pointed these things out to them?

    Why did you go to the gas inspector as a first action instead of returning to the workshop, compare what the did with your contract, showing them their mistakes and then giving them the opportunity to rectify? (And explain how they did such a bad job preferably in writing?)

    Inspector attended, advised things were poor (do you have anything in writing that he required to be fixed?), then sent you back to original gas man to make repairs at their cost. Have you got the photos and any written documents?

    Regardless of what they did, you were then issued with your compliance papers.

    I'm curious why you didn't get these repairs checked by someone (the inspector?) after the initial dodgy job and then according to you, an equally dodgy fix up?

    Surely you didn't pay for their service until you were completely satisfied with what they had done? I mean this was gas work to use with a $100,000 asset, not just a helium tank to blow up a few balloons?


    Once trip got going, you were all so fortunate you detected the gas leak! I presume that could have had disastrous repercussions.

    So sad that your maiden voyage had to be abandoned, fortunately it sounds like you did eventually get a fair bit of use out of it once you got it sorted out.

    After visiting gas guy #2, next step should have been to return to gas guy #1 to seek explanation, remedy and a reimbursal of the $100 gas guy #2 charged you. Did gas man #2 provide you photos and written evidence of what he determined to be wrong? Do his photos match those of the inspector's?

    What is really important here is that you got written permission from gas guy #1 for gas guy #2 to do any work on vehicle.

    Inspector really can't do more than send you back to original gas guy to remedy again. It's not his purview to interfere with whatever contract exists between you and gas man, only courts can do this.

    You needed to seek legal remedy here,legally terminate initial contract and seek second gas company to proceed with any work at your cost if you had lost faith in company #1.

    Obviously confident enough to return to first company for further repairs. Did as inspector suggested, got explanations and drama seems to become finalised when inspector agrees to compliance.

    I acknowledge that this has been frustrating and inconvenient for you so far but you did get your $100 back and a bonus gas cylinder, so at this stage, gas leaks are fixed, vehicle has compliance, family has their recreational vehicle up and going and you're in front.

  • +1

    Waiting for the musical release of this saga. I wonder what the title would be and who would play the lead role?

    • +2

      Netflix docuseries => "Broken"

      Robin Williams could play lead if he wasn't dead, he had a movie called RV where family went on vacation and had all sorts of dramas.

      Maybe musical could be "From Gas to Electric" starring Elon Musk?

      • -1

        Jumpin' Jack Flash
        It's a gas, gas, gas

    • The Cecil B DeMille Institute might give it a shot and collab with Andrew Lloyd Weber Q

  • +5

    Fantastic that you got twelve months worth of good times with your family.

    Unfortunately, your working or living conditions, financial situation or hire car costs etc have nothing to do with any financial responsibility the first gas guy may have towards you.

    He handed you over a vehicle with a compliance supported/approved by some inspector then paid your bill, drove the thing god knows where for the next year, and now want to hold him responsible for who knows what happened to it between the first and second compliance.

    All he has to say is he gave you compliant vehicle, endorsed by inspector twelve months ago, if it is no longer compliant, you must have done something to make it that way.

    Great you finally delivered vehicle to buyer and they paid for it. Fingers crossed that's the end of it and she doesn't discover anything dodgy to come back at you for with regards to gas compliance. Hope that's a strong contract with no backsies!

    Can't blame inspector dude for ghosting you. He's probably still trying to wade through all the extraneous waffle you sent him so he can work out your actual issue.

    Furthermore, he's never going to admit junior inspector messed up first time (not in writing and not to you, anyway), cos for starters he would need some sort of proof, I'd imagine.

    Why are you sending inspector invoices for what costs you've incurred for the second compliance?

    NEGLIGENCE OF GOVT INSPECTOR.
    1. You need a lawyer you don't want.

    Then ask
    1. Who had a duty of care to you?
    2. What was that duty?
    3. Did they breach that duty?
    4. What harm was caused?
    5. Did that breach cause that harm?
    6. Amount of damages.

    "Mighta got hurt/put in danger" won't pass the pub test. For negligence to be successful you have to be able to show some type of damage and convert it to a $ representation.

    There's no claim for your stress, inconvenience or labour (especially as you aren't qualified!) and who do you think is responsible for the costs of materials you spent for the second compliance?

    Heads up, it's neither the inspector or the first guy. Neither had a contract with you to carry on that work, spend money on their behalf or give you any kind of authority to do so.

    That money has gone. You needed an agreement with them to buy that stuff and do the work before you went off doing it Willy nilly.

    You needed to get someone to rule that they did something dodgy before you intervened and changed what was there.

    I can't see that you have any legal recourse here. ACCC won't do anything and this really isn't the sort of crap consumer affairs gets into. I mean, your issue is over a few $100, ACA deals with conmen who swindle thousands out of pensioners!

    You got compliance done, endorsed by inspector. Used the thing for 12 months with no issues. A third party unexpectedly identified some issues after which you bought a bunch of crap, made repairs of who knows what quality , gets third party to finish it off and give compliance.then successfully sold it to someone else.

    All this without contacting first dude who issued compliance or the supporting inspector.

    Too late to shut the gate once the horse has bolted.

    You can't prove who has been negligent (if anybody has), so there's no pot of money from which to receive any compensation.

    Send a letter of demand to whomever you think is at fault for how much you think they should pay you.

    They will ignore you though.

  • +3

    Iā€™m sorry you got messed around, but Iā€™m going to play a bit of devilā€™s advocate to help you think about whether this is worth pursuing.

    If you have worked in a regulated industry, you will have conmen across absolute sticklers for detail, and others that are more easy going, but still try and do a good job.

    Iā€™m going to suggest you encountered a bit of a slapdash operator initially, then a regulator who is pragmatic and has to deal with many, many operators, and then finally with a perfectionist.

    Iā€™m also going to suggest the perfectionist was perfect, but was in business where there is little competition, and they can take weeks to do their work in a perfect way.

    Unfortunately, it would have been much better for you if you had encountered them in the opposite order!

    But the outcome was the perfectionist found issues the regulator did not pick up, and defected you, causing you timing/financial issues.

    If you lodge complaints you will find plenty of support for the regulator at higher levels, unless they actually made some serious, dangerous errors. And you might find the only industry people supporting your version of events is the perfectionist - who I assume is based in a far regional location, and wonā€™t have as strong a voice in matters.

    Ultimately, the biggest inconvenience was because you needed everything to align for the sale - and luckily you were able to work it out. This must have been stressful and hard work, but nobody will compensate you for finding yourself in that position, only potentially for earlier failures.

    So the possibility for compensation is limited, and the possibility for changes in the regulator and slapdash operator are not high either.

    Iā€™d write to the minister responsible in a much more concise way, asking for n explanation of why the perfectionist found so many issues after the regulator passed it. If the regulator was substantially negligent, that might get a result, perhaps.

  • Sounds like a common scam story with RWC and only apply to QLD, the only silly state that require such bullcrap for just a trailer transfer. The common sense would be you should organise the certificate with the guy doing original work, but you decide to live your nomad life and offload your van at some random place and get stung.
    It's the same story in other state with other similar compliance bullshit, the industry if rife with scam because literally every inspector is their own God and can easily knit-picking potential problem to make your day living hell. So the prudence should be organising such paperwork at the only place that you can trust. Just like in Vic, if you walk in some random place to get RWC for your 10 year old Toyota expect to fork out $1000 to get the tick and ensure you include that cost in the sale.

  • Where to Go from Here?

    Go home!

    • Or…

      Go to Jail,
      Go directly to Jail,
      Do not pass Go,
      Do not Collect $200.

  • +3

    You're getting way too emotional, writing long stories and threatening lawyers over $1500.

    You got a year out of the van and sold it.

    Time to move on.

  • +1

    Sell the story to the Vatican.They could do with a new Bible

  • This months tale of tantric tragedy has landed

    • -2

      It is either this or a late entry named Trump #2.

  • a portable GAS burner/BBQ using disposable cans is <$150

    • Haha go buy one then -.-

  • +1

    You might consider pursuing the gas company through small claims court for reimbursement of costs and damages, while simultaneously filing a formal complaint with the government ombudsman for administrative negligence, as well as escalating your story to local media or advocacy groups to raise awareness and pressure the responsible parties.

  • Sounds like the van came with alot of lessons, best to learn from them and move forward.

    People pay for formal training, think of this the same way.

  • Terrible situation. Fortunately you arenā€™t too much out of pocket. Wonā€™t be worth chasing from a financial point of view. Sucks, but do you want retribution or do you want peace?

  • +1

    Frustrating for sure. Those of us who read through have expressed our empathy.
    Hopefully it has been cathartic to put it out there and be heard.
    You are unlikely to get compensation you think suitable, and it will cost you $$ and lots of effort to get anywhere. By all means write a brief (non-angry) letter of demand to gas guy 1, but let it go if you have no response. Stick to one basic fact - at the pre-sale inspection gg 1ā€™s work failed complaince and it cost you $1100 to rectify. Provide him with the contact details of the repairer.
    Then move on and get your life back. Write a photo journal of the happy moments on your trip and choose that as your takeaway.

  • I feel you. We were tangled with a building defect which was in part the result of building inspection and occupancy permit that should never have been issued in the first place. Money and time lost and the stress to sort out the problem was huge. We ended up having to sue the builder, the architect and the council who issued the occupancy permit in court. We won but in order to avoid any admission of guilt or wrong doing, the council offered a "without prejudice" settlement so they dont need to review their processes. You arent going to get any accountability but if you take the legal path, youā€™ll at least get something - just be aware that the lawyers will take a good portion of it from you.

    • Good to know, thanks. In my case it likely won't be worth taking it through court - I'm aware of that - but I'm curious, could you not have also gotten your lawyer costs covered by them if you won?

  • Thanks all, lots of helpful comments and some comments worth ignoring haha.

    I will say, a lot of people are focusing on the money here (and maybe that's how I've communicated it to seem) but a large part not being discussed is the dangers of gas and the flippancy from both gas work licence holders and the inspectors who regulate the standards. To me it feels like this industry is just waiting for more people to die before they start taking things seriously. I don't care if I don't get compensation but I want the negligence to be held accountable so it doesn't happen to others. Despite the assumptions of some people in the comments I was very careful and did a lot of research to try and make sure this was done well to begin with but without doing a trade and gaining some experience I had no chance. Imagine how impossible it would be for others who maybe are elderly or simply less careful. These companies are probably ripping them off all the time and putting them at risk as a result.

    Anyway, I appreciate the space to vent and the large write up allowed me to gather my thoughts so thanks to those who read and thanks again to those with good advice. I'll likely seek some reimbursement but cut my losses and move on otherwise. I am still considering talking with a current affair about making this a story to raise public awareness though.

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