Wife is due in June and is already complaining about the weight-gain. As a ‘push present’, she’s requesting Ozempic. (I find dietary and exercise discipline cheaper, but each to their own.)
I know Ozempic is in short supply in Australia. Does anybody here have experience getting it supplied? Are there any reliable overseas providers?
They have different doses indicated for T2D and Obesity (once titrated to maximum).
And you are prepared to let her take Ozempic knowing this - If anything went wrong you would never forgive yourself.
"You should avoid taking Ozempic while pregnant or trying to conceive. While there is limited human data, animal studies suggest that Ozempic may harm a developing fetus"
developing fetus"
I believe op is implying she take it after baby is out (and I assume being a responsible parent would wait till baby was reliably and successfully transferred to full time formula)
I did not get that impression at all. Baby is due in 6 months and she is already complaining of weight gain and she is requesting Ozempic. My reading is that she wants the product now, not in June.
They said ‘push present’ as in the misso gets it after baby comes out.
(I believe that’s still the usual protocol)
They said ‘push present’ as in the misso gets it after baby comes out.
I always thought the present was the actual baby :)
@SBOB: New dad : the real present was the baby
Misso: but in a more real sense, the present was the present.
The major point is pregnant and asking for a shortcut. Not a good luck for lots of reasons, with medical being just one.If I was unlucky enough to be the partner navigating these treacherous seas, would I post this thread on OZb….
I think not.
But as I said previously, this is the way humans (1st world) behave now.It's all about entitlement and nothing else.I want it all I want it yesterday, and preferably at someone else's expense.Throw in herd validation to the mix.
@Ocker: In the third world you don’t have enough time or food to get fat, you’re too busy surviving the next day to worry about anything like feeling a bit tubby after pushing a baby out. She’ll probably want vaginoplasty next haha
Brah. Push present comes after the push
A responsible parent doesn't "transfer their baby to formula" if they have any means of avoiding doing so. Various studies attest to the benefits of extended breast feeding until a child can have a natural (non-processed) diet.
I agree, both of ours were breastfed till nearly 2, the benefits are obvious.
In this context I meant a responsible parent in a scenario considering taking ozempic, would wait till baby is totally onto formula full time.
@Jimothy Wongingtons: My son is 16 months old and a titty fiend and demon, mama can't wait till he stops draining her.
I beg to differ. It is not irresponsible to feed a baby formula if necessary or preferred. In many European countries it is absolutely normal to stop breastfeeding after three months, and begin introducing food as well as formula, so it is as much about cultural expectations as health benefits.
As our GP used to say, better a happy mother and well-fed baby on a bottle than a stressed mother trying breastfeed kust to satisfy other people's demands.
And you are prepared to let her take Ozempic knowing this - If anything went wrong you would never forgive yourself.
While I agree, breast feeding on ozempic is dumb, last time I checked we started thinking of women as people and not objects in Australia in 1894.
Obviously 220 years later there are some people who didn't get the memo.
She could use formula. He could use the courts or child services. But let? Kinda sounds like DV.
It's what crosses her lips that swells the hips. This short cut to avoid less eating or correct eating sums up humanity.
I question some peoples rationale in having kids in the first place, if this sort of 'solution' is even on their mind.
The self entitlement of humans must be the only commodity we will never exhaust
EDIT: I hope they never subsidise these sort of drugs for anything other than a diagnosed medical condition.
Lifestyle shortcuts should not be impacting on diabetics (etc) drug supply. DRs who flout that line in the sand should be suspended,IMHO.
I hope they never subsidise these sort of drugs for anything other than a diagnosed medical condition.
Like obesity and being overweight? Both medical conditions.
Being overweight by choice (overeating and under-exercising) is a lifestyle choice.
Delusion is not a medical condition.
Thinking being overweight is solely a lifestyle choice and nothing more is delusional. There are a number of conditions that can cause excessive weight gain.
@Clear: Yep, but 90% of non medical condition cases are driven by choice.(That's what I'm talking about). You're just enabling those poor outcomes driven by behavioural conditioning by excusing the lump sum.(pun intended).
@Protractor: Ozempic takes too long anyway. When I needed to lose weight I lost 25kg in nearly 3 weeks 😉
@Sammy2000: It's unrealistic. The first couple of days involve being unconscious and potentially losing some internal organs. After that it's essentially a very low calorie liquid/puree diet and letting ketosis do the rest.
On a more serious note a keto diet can work if you're strict. Self control is extremely hard. I know for me after 2 weeks of no sugar anything sweet like lemonade is disgusting. Very easy to get addicted again.
@Protractor: 99% of facts on the internets are true.
I find it interesting that most people in this thread have a mid 90's view on obesity. It has been studied significantly since then and there are several genetic reasons for people to be predisposed to obesity and weight gain.
Yes there's choices involved, but there's a reason someone can lose 20kg on a basic high protein diet and exercise, while another individual can't. We are not all the same.
@hypie: @hypie: "I find it interesting that most people in this thread have a mid 90's view on obesity."
That is because in the mid 90s there were far fewer obese people. Why might that be?
*Genetics haven't changed.
*Access to parks hasn't changed.
*Food is much the same.
However:
*People now eat more.
*People now exercise/play sport less
These are choices. For most people, being obese is a choice.
@hypie: Being 'predisposed' does not escape the reality that if you are, you need to adapt. If you CHOOSE not to, guess what? It's still a choice.
Delusional disorder is a real psychological condition. I realise that's not what you are talking about though so how about binge eating disorder which is another real disorder which does encompass what you are talking about.
@bubbleboom: Or how about the most common driver of obesity? Personal choice via> Poor eating, little or no exercise.
The secondary factors affecting weight gain are (internal) denial and (external) enabling.
"It's what crosses her lips that swells the hips"
Yeah, we all know how pregnancy works mate.
Boom tish.
Kewpie Doll is in the mail.
I had the privilege of speaking to a few people on the National Weight Control Registry in the US. It isn't an issue of entitlement. It's an issue of being placed in an obesogenic environment.
Not every human being is imbued with the willpower of a monk.
And equally> The majority of Americans hoover up crap food like baleen whales. The place is built of fast food.
Obesity is almost as common as baldness.
Not everyone feels obliged to eat the world either, and then feel entitled to a pill to fix the sloth of their self control.
Yep. Social determinants of health.
I have extended family who would literally hang themselves if they put on any weight whatsoever. They all have dr friends that happily prescribe them dexamphetamine, exercise a little, smoke like chimneys and don't eat. It's definitely a lifestyle choice.
Google "ozempic blindness risk" for a bunch of pages on that particular issue.
You can’t be blinded by Ozempic if you’re already blinded by the prospect of being a size-6.
It should be noted that Insulin has the same effect: https://www.epicresearch.org/articles/liraglutide-and-insuli…
If you're not diabetic or pre-diabetic then this is not a risk factor
Are patients screened for this before being prescribed? Given that it is overweight patients that are the target market I suspect that a fair proportion may be pre-diabetic or diabetic?
They do ask if you have diabetes, because the medication is subsidized if you do, otherwise it's full-price.
All they need to prescribe it is a height and weight measurement, if you're over 27 BMI with a weight-related health issue like back pain or high blood pressure (aka everyone), then you're all set.
The vast majority of overweight people do not have diabetes, something around 5%, double that of people who aren't overweight. Much worse for people who are obese though, I believe closer to 10% have it. So it is a risk factor, if you're proper obese and over 50 they might ask you to do a test first, but it isn't drastic enough to require one.
The only difference in treatment for someone who did have pre-diabetes is a more gradual ramp-up, to minimize issues like this that are caused by the body being shocked by rapidly stabilized blood sugar levels.
Surely she will lose the weight with all the breast feeding.
And 5kg on the day!
exactly!!! I weighed less straight after having a baby than what I weighed before the pregnancy…twice!!!!
NO drugs needed!!!
My wife wants painless solutions, not difficult ones demanding discipline and exertion.
And you're having a kid?
You're in for a shock then
@Chris17: Let me reverse one of your upvotes just for your comment on "you are blessed above all woman"…BF can be weigh gaining or keep the weight on and MANY woman have found that to be the case.
As a ‘push present’, she’s requesting Ozempic
FFS
I bet you it's not she who is requesting Ozempic but him. I doubt a woman in early stages of pregnancy is fretting about her post-pregnancy body.
Thought about just buying her some Lizzo instead?
Ozempic is hormonal, as is pregnancy weight.
As soon as she gives birth, the hormone levels change, appetite drops, and it is like natural Semaglutide. With little effort, the kilos melt away. At least it should work that way, but some women find some weight stays on. This could be due to dramatic lifestyle changes that come with a baby!
First, just try to keep up whatever routine she was on pre-pregnancy to get exercise. With luck, she will not need it.
This is our third. There has been a ratchet effect, to say the least.
I see. Still, pregnancies vary even for the same woman.
As a (fropanity) what? Wtf is a "push present"??
Just when I think humanity has dived to the lowest depths of stupidity, someone comes along in their Oceangate sub and pushes the "dive" button…
It’s what happens when peak consumerism meets peak bogan.
Hahahahahahaha that is such a brilliant explanation. I’m going to steal that for social situations
Although you could also argue that pink and blue burnout tyres fall under this description
Humanity, as a term, is redundant for today's version of humans
Wtf is a "push present"??
It's what happens a few months after the gender reveal burn outs.
Burnt rubber makes scents. Cheers
As a woman who ballooned due to pregnancy (I was literally allergic), got 3 hernias and has taken years and surgeries to fix, I find the use of Ozempic for dieting abhorrent.
Diabetics are struggling with medication management. To have a necessary drug for life consumed by vanity is just the ultimate height of narcissistic entitlement.
Women change due to pregnancy. Push present? Are you kidding? That's the child! Heaven forbid a woman gets a tear, hernia, incontinence, nerve damage, or any other reproductive issues in the process.
Reality check, aisle 1….
Newsflash, anyone can have a baby.For whatever reason they choose. Many are the least valid reasons.That's the problem.
The solution (according to policy and populism) is to encourage more of this. " Must have babies or we'll all die tomorrow"
So expect to see more of this ridiculous behaviour.
Very sad, yet very true. Equally supported by ridiculous Medicare payments.
Ironic that the last person considered in the 'pay to breed' model, is the actual baby and it's life going fwd.
It's perverse.
@Protractor: If it eases your pearl-clutching a little, rest assured that we take good care of our children.
I loathe the term ‘push present’: it makes her sound like a gravid barnyard animal. But apparently that’s all the rage with her TikTok influencers.
@Chris17: You've dropped several replies since that seem to indicate you would be way better served NOT caving in, and instead get counselling for either your wife or both of you.At a minimum (just my pearl clutching opinion) there needs to a very real appraisal of the impact of tik tok and any other social media driving or influencing decisions. The size 6 comment needs an expert intervention mindset.
Her words, her wishes.
I find the term entitled, materialistic and gross, but that doesn’t change her fervent desire for Ozempic.
Setting aside the Ozempic/weight loss matter, what concerns me more about this in general is the mental health ongoing of Mum.
Peri and Anti Natal Depression and Anxiety are real, as is pregnancy fear and anxiety. We live in a society that demonises motherhood, birthing and everything surrounding it. If we didnt, the idea of jabbing oneself with a drug to rapidly gain a 'pre baby body', despite the contraindications with breastfeeding, just wouldnt exist.
Im actually angry and frustrated that this stuff isn't just banned (on media) and that woman are disgustingly becoming a large group of self sabotaging hypocrites who happily destroy other women.
Please watch your partner 🙏
Thanks for your thoughts.
She has had terrible PPD in the past. There’s a lot to unpack in her presentation and I’m not sure where her head will be after birth. I can only make strong suggestions that she, as an adult, is free to ignore.
I find the use of Ozempic for dieting abhorrent.
Good for you.
Diabetics are struggling with medication management.
It doesn't have to be one or the other.
You are interchangeably referring to both a temporary supply chain problem with a long term product that can help reduce obesity.
Apparently you find it abhorrent that people can significantly improve their health and lifespan by taking a simple drug. I agree to disagree.
Can you share the data that demonstrates improvement in health and lifespan by taking the drug?
Without complications, without weight bounce backs?
Apparently the TGA arent aware of such data….
Can you share the data that demonstrates improvement in health
Find it yourself.
It seems to be your argument that you don't like the fact that some people may need to take this drug for the long term to be able to maintain their weight-loss. And thus you subsequently find the existence of the drug for weight-loss so "abhorrent" that you wish it didn't exist altogether?
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. I would prefer people have an additional option in case they wish to dramatically improve their health/lifespan.
push present
Next post in 6 months…
My pregnant wife had an emergency C section. Does she deserve a push present?
Require a diagram of a baby Roman emperor being removed via the abdomen, including wreath-crown.
MS Paint of course.
Non-PBS-subsidised Ozempic is supplied through a different supply chain from PBS-subsidised Ozempic (more info here). People who are getting Ozempic for weight loss (rather than diabetes) are not taking the supply away from diabetics. The alternate supply for non-diabetics is exactly the same product, from the same manufacturer, and is TGA approved.
Yep, refer to the "Overseas-registered Ozempic is available" section.
Not true. At the moment, ozempic is very hard to obtain from suppliers, wegovy available at $260 per month
Most pharmacists stopped buying non-PBS Ozempic when Wegovy became available because many of their clients switched over to a high dose of semaglutide on the Wegovy scripts. In DecemberI asked my local chemist (who uses one of the alternate non-PBS suppliers) and he indicated he can still can stock of Ozempic from them easily with a couple days notice.
You just need to find a chemist who uses these alternate suppliers. If they are willing, point them to this TGA page which has the phone numbers of those suppliers.
Yes, I know this alternative supplier, but they are asking stupid expensive price, and you have to buy a large quantity from them, purely for profit gouging.
bullshit. Ozempic is Ozempic, there is no stream for this or stream for that.
The shortage is because the manufacturer of Ozempic is the same one that makes Wegovy - in fact it's the same ingredient (semaglutide). They have ramped up Wegovy production and done nothing for Ozempic production, because they make more money off Wegovy.
Ozempic is subsidised for Diabetes.
Wegovy is not subsidised
One way to get rid of that excess melamine laying around.
Baby is gaining weight - that's great news.
As a ‘push present’….
When did this become a thing?
Did you get a present when you did the original pushing to make your deposit! lol
The term is gross. Apparently it’s something she’s entitled to after carrying a baby for nine months.
I'm all for this. I want a' push present' for my efforts every morning, about 6am…
I think I deserve it.
But the morning push is the present!
\o/
I POOPED TODAY
Not going to comment on the ickyness of a “push present”, your wife’s clear issues with her self-esteem or the dangers of using medication while pregnant/ breastfeeding.
However, if your doctor is prescribing Ozempic solely for weight loss purposes, that’s a quack. Given the shortage, I’d also question their moral compass as I have family members with T1 diabetes who can’t even get it from their endocrinologist and/or get their scripts filled.
There is the option of Wegovy, which is the non PBS form of the drug and identical in every way to Ozempic. Funny how there’s no supply issues there- likely because it’ll run you $250 a month with a doctor’s script, which they will only write if your BMI is >30. It’s $450 a month from an online provider like Juniper and they’ll happily hand it out like candy if you’ve got the dough.
However, there’s no guarantee it will even work. Putting aside all the ‘celebs’ who’ve seemingly lost weight overnight, a very high number of people on these meds have horrid side effects such as nausea and constipation. Massive amounts of thyroid and gallbladder problems. Weight gain after stopping, meaning they’ll have to take it for life. And there are many reports of people don’t even respond to the drug at all.
Is that really a risk that you will enable, or even want your wife- the mother of your children- to take?
Thank you for your thoughtful, informative answer. There’s certainly much to ponder.
Yes, I have read the TGA data and the weight loss vs placebos is dubious. I mean, it's there and it's technically 'double' but we're talking 2-3kgs vs 5-6kgs in a year (for 80-90kg persons).
Obviously results vary, but with so many contraindications, side effects and a 5%+ drop off in users, never mind the chances of infection etc with needles, surely this is really for the rare, hard to move, high BMI cases?
It has something to do with government rules regarding PBS subsidies, I believe for the medication to get on the PBS it cannot cost too much as a private script. That's why they reduced Ozempic price in order to get a PBS listing.