New runout pricing for Excite 64. Same specs are base model 51 but a bigger battery (about 100km more range). Similar price cut of $10-11k like they did to the 51 base model.
Yes, we all know it's Chinese but it comes with a dealer network and long 10 year warranty.
Range of up to 450km (WLTP)
It's like Chinese food, very tasty although doesn't fill my belly for long. Thus I need to eat more often.
This is a great deal if you are a normal commuter in the market for a say a Corolla.
It will save you a fortune if you are considering a Euro car.
Spoken like someone who knows nothing. The MG comes with 10 years warranty. It will still be going strong in 10 years.
By then someone who drives 20'km a year in an ICE will have spent more than the cost of the MG on fuel and service.
Short of MG (SAIC) going bust and not being able to honour the warranty you can't lose buying one of them at these prices if you are in it for the long haul.
Once people realise that, the resale value of a Coralla will be a lot lower…
Resale value estimates require a crystal ball. If crude prices rocket up, ice will be less desirable. If public ev charging infrastructure improves evs will be more desirable. A few more recalls like the tundra engines could change the perception of toyotas. We also see city pollution taxes in some countries. On the other hand didnt they ban evs in underground carparks in korea.
I've yet to hear a good experience for a major warranty claim or even minor one from a mg owner or any chinese manufacturer…
@hippyhippy: some data
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/are-chinese-electric-cars…
JD Power found that quality problems in Chinese-made electric and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) cars have increased since 2023 – with some notable exceptions.
link to study in that URL
@mybrains: The headline doesn't really match the article. Sounds like major quality issue but nah… people don't like the design choices manufacturers have made for non-essential stuff… and the numbers were basically the same for Chinese vs International brands.
Sounds more like consumers are (rightly) demanding more than previous years.
Based on the data, the average was 210 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles, a "significant" increase of 37 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles compared to 2023.
Interestingly, cars manufactured in China by Chinese companies were found to have fewer quality issues overall than cars manufactured in China by international brands, like the Tesla Model Y and BMW iX3.
"International brands have the highest number of quality problems at 218 PP100, a substantial increase of 54 PP100 from 2023," the study found.
Common complaints included poor camera image clarity, loud radar alerts, inaccurate voice recognition, unresponsive touchscreens and inaccurate navigation. Meanwhile, the two largest quality problems reported by owners were an unpleasant interior smell and road noise, which JD Power says has been the case "for six consecutive years".
This price is only for the excite 64 MY23 model. There is no discount on the MY24 batch.
I don't know whether there is any difference between the two batches.
Excite 51 is MY24 though.
No difference between the two batches
except it's virtually impossible to find a MY23, in Vic at least.
yes, only about a dozen or so left in SA dealerships
Thank the God's for the Chinese car makers upping their car game. Without them…in 2024 we would all be paying $50k for a 3 year old 'slightly used' with 50,000km base spec with cloth seat Corolla.
Lots of people don't realize this
I am still wondering how people are comfortable paying $36k for a base Corolla when it was $31k in 2021.
Because resale value apparently. Everything else appears to be optional because a Corolla against other peers, may eek out 5-10% more resale value (if they sell in its depreciation sweet spot) based on historical data. A lot of people don't realize this is changing and when they go to sell in 5 years they might be in for a surprise.
A lot of people don't realize this is changing
It is a bit like people who paid over asking price for property during COVID years and now finding out they have to put it on the market. The genius of people never ceases to surprise me.
My ICE car recently got written off and I got paid out. In the market for a new car, currently borrowing my GFs car since she does wfh but that’s not a long term solution. Should I pull the trigger now or are we expecting even further discounts coming into the early months of next year?
Keep waiting I reckon. Competition next year will be fierce.
There's a good chance that we might get a glut of cars dumped here next year due to tariffs going up on Chinese cars sold into the US and EU, which theoretically should bring some more price drops.
But that's just speculation.
If you need a car now, and this one suits your use case, why wait? No guarantee that these prices will hold and/or get any cheaper. And it's not like you'll be getting a Tesla at this price.
Not many MY23 excite 64 stock left though yeah?
If you're looking at this and would consider something used, have a look at a Hyundai Ioniq. On paper the MG is better in a lot of ways (range, power, handling), but the Ioniq feels better quality than the MG. Anywhere between low teens to high $20k's. I just chose the Ioniq over an MG4.
Hows the insuranxce?
Really cheap which I forgot to mention. I was getting $800-1200 quotes for the MG4. Just under $500 for the Ioniq (all comprehensive) and I've only looked at a few. I'm a best case for insurance so those figures won't be what everyone gets, but the difference is a lot.
Is this because they need to give you a new car if you write off the MG4? and Ioniq they can shaft you with market price.
@netjock: No. It's a low annual km of 5000km ($679 for 10,000km). If I pick the unlimited km it's $825.
So maybe not cheaper than the MG4.
All the Ioniqs near me are mid to high 20s
You see the occasional one (the Elite base model) in the high teens. I would buy interstate if required, but yes some people are asking silly money for them still. Auctions or forum/Facebook groups might be a place to look. I've never bought a new car.
I just bought a 2021 Premium with 27,000 km for $26k (plus fees) as it's in my state and I'd been looking at alll sorts of EV's from Polestar 2, Tesla's, BMW i4, MG4 and the Ioniq was the best value one that suited me.
Yeah nice I've got a 2013 Diesel i30 Tourer I've had since mid 2021 I reckon I will hold onto it for a bit longer as I want an EV that can get at least 450 km of highway range in a single charge as I travel for work.
@Joshminey: I'm in the same situation. Got really efficient diesel Euro cars that get in the 5/100, so an EV isn't an economic decision. I don't drive that many km's, so only fill the car a few times a year. Got 1400 km from my last tank. I am getting over the servicing as I DIY it. Also do a few friends.
@wfdTamar: I do about 20k km a year in the i30 currently sitting on about 182000km hoping I can get another 3 years out of it before upgrading.
Are you talking about ioniq5 or the older phev ioniq? Most 21/22 ioniq5 are still selling above 50k on marketplace. In sydney btw.
@maruko: The original IONIQ that looks like a normal hatchback. The fully battery version (it was available as hybrid, plug in hybrid or electric).
One catch with these though. There’s the earlier 28 kWh battery version and the later 38 kWh battery. The latter has more power and more range, BUT charges slower on fast chargers. This means on long trips where you need to recharge the 38 might take longer to get there.
If most of your trips are within the range of the car, this is a good option as it’s still the most efficient EV.
Scratch that. Having now done the research I should have done BEFORE paying a deposit (only $200) I have found the Ioniq 38 has a seemingly unfixable flaw of the coolant congealing and that causes it not to freely flow through pumps. That causes an error that blocks the whole driver display. The 'fix' is to pump it all out and replace, but it just reoccurs. Some people have had the process (which takes best part of a day) done 6-7 times. One bloke has had his car brought back at full price by Hyundai after legal action.
Is this all Ioniq?
Just the 38, not the 28.
I’m torn. Some people think it’s not enough of an issue to give up on the car, but a big reason for me getting an EV is to simplify servicing as I DIY it.
@wfdTamar: and I think the 38's after 17 May 2021 may not be affected as the technical bulletin says they're not.
Whilst we don't yet know I find it strange how many ppl simply assume these cars will end up in a wreckers after than a corolla. The beauty of EVs is LESS complexity and moving parts. Software aside (which itself shouldn't cause a car to end up in the wreckers) I'm unsure what couldn't be swapped in or out easily enough. The batteries would be a big job but we have enough data to suggest these will comfortably last 10 years of normal use.
I have a friend that bought a new Yaris in 2012 thinking it would be her last car and last maybe 30 years. It would have except the paint is in terrible condition and she'll basically have to throw it away. I would never buy a Toyota.
I mean throwing a car away for paint is…wild. paint can also be looked after but I suspect few people do. I wouldn't expect an MG or any basically car to be painted better. They're all pretty shit these days.
Yes but it would cost more than the car is worth to fix it. It's a complete respray job.
This was a factory wide failure of their painting process. There are facebook groups dedicated to it.
@drprox: Yes it started deteriorating at about 5 years. Now it's through the clear coat, the colour has crazed really badly (feels like the roughest sandpaper) and worn off and right down to bare metal and starting to rust.
Other peoples cars - great sheets of paint have come off in one piece.
@wfdTamar: 2015 Hyundai i20 in white had this issue. If it's a manufacturing fault you should seek a repair by the manufacturer, the Hyundai guys won a class action case
Friend bought a BMW x5, over $150k. Had imperfections in the paint job also. Writing off an entire brand for paint issues isn't really feasible
@greatlamp: I write off a brand that won't stand by their product when it has an obvious manufacturing fault.
$20 bucks and some bunnings tins of spray paint and we can fix anything :D
every panel a different colour
It's a known issue with Toyotas from that period (bad primer or something). She can take it into a dealership for assessment and free respray likely (we got out 2012 corolla resprayed)
Edit:just saw your other reply about the same thing.
Very, very few people get approved for that. Toyota come up with BS excuses like 'washed too much' 'not washed enough' 'environmental causes (sun)'. All rubbish. Any car should last decades with no trouble.
P.S. I didn't literally mean throw away, but sell for an absolute minimal amount (like $1000). Which is crazy as it's done 100,000 km in 12 years and works fine.
@wfdTamar: If you leave a car in the sun for 10 plus years and don’t polish it, it will almost certainly have early or advanced clear coat failure especially if it’s a dark colour. The roads are full of cars with destroyed bonnets and roofs of ten plus year old cars. That is on the owner.
BUT the gross paint peel you see on Toyotas and many Hyundais is another thing entirely. That is a factory paint or paint adhesion fault and is not the owners fault whenever it happens, even after twenty years. It should never happen.
You have to understand the playbook if you want to get into MG/GWM etc.
The 'warranty' often works like this.
Car breaks, goes to shop.
Car sits in shop for months 'waiting for parts'.
You don't get to drive a car that's sitting in a repair shop off the road, just so you know :)
If you are fine with this, sure buy these cars.
I'm not.
And by the way, that would all be a huge problem if the car was a low quality lemon with a reasonably high probability of breaking down/developing faults
Well guess what :)
What?
I suspect this the case as it's not a high margin car for dealers, so they will not 'look after you'.
My local MG dealer couldn't get me a part for a 2015 car (different brand) after nearly two years. I gave up on them and got it myself.
yea, I don't get how people feel like "hey, it's covered by a 10 year warranty" so I'm good. People don't realise that warranty claims can often be time consuming and also rejected. In addition, like you've said, it can take a long time for parts to come in and to be replaced. Imagine if only 10% of these were lemon but they (MG) sold them in huge volumes. With limited experience working on EVs from workshops, they'll be only a handful of places to take them and sure, if it's a warranty claim, you're gonna have to take it back to MG anyway unless they outsource it which also brings back to my original concern.
Lastly, what is the real reason you're getting an EV? to save the planet? to help reduce carbon footprint? to save money? This is where the debate begins. Saving the planet involves in you creating less junk. In other words, buy a second hand car reliable Japanese car and keep it well maintained and serviced and it could literally run forever. Reduce carbon footprint? why not catch public transport? Save money? Use a bike. Cars in general should really be used for other purposes than to travel to and from work. The amount of cars on the road with just the driver is utter stupidity. Oh yes, and let's not forget the resale value of them. If they keep dropping new car prices, well, good luck trying to sell them at a price you want. People are going to haggle the crap out of them.
Regardless of all that's mentioned above, it's cheap for a reason. Sure, when cost of living is immensely difficult and taking a stab at ur savings, I can understand the appeal with cheap alternatives. But at what cost really? Children in Congo digging with their hands for cobalt? Cheap labour factories in China? Poor quality of product that leads to replacement of parts or selling the vehicle to get another? There is good reason why a product is dearer, it's tested, well put together and proven track record of reliability.
MG even when it was under the poms, wasn't known for reliability, now you have the Chinese coming in with what, 10 years experience on the international market? U think it's going to pump out some quality product? If thats the case, then why ain't apple products cheap? They too are built in China aren't they? Oh yes, that's because they use the best chips and quality parts from Taiwan and have tough strict production line under a foreign company. But even that doesn't mean they're good does it? Some apple products are utter rubbish.
Bottom line is, if you complain about why we're getting boatloads of Chinese ev junk yet you think this is a good deal and want to buy it, you're part of the cause.
Yea, honestly, the ACCC should be doing something about junk warranties on these cars, and the quality - but they won't. Draw your own conclusions as to why.
And it's not dealers. SAIC Motor and GWM simply don't care about part availability, technician support, warranties, or buy backs. There's no support for customers, at all.
But these manufacturers know the ACCC doesn't have the balls to take them on.
In the end, Australia is allowing these manufacturers to provide dodgy cars, with dodgy warranties into the car market and people not in the know see '10 year warranty', a cheap price - and go out and buy them based on a 10 minute test drive.
Given the quality, and the effective warranty (near zero), I think they're overpriced.
You know how the system works. When everyone is making money (dealers etc) and everyone is getting cheap products (consumers) then everything is alright.
When there is no money to be made and the manufacturer goes bust and there is nobody to go after except a tax payer funded bail out and it is howls of shame.
Always the same story.
I would be more concerned about ICE junk cars especially European cars with all their pollution regulations, petrol particulate filters, fragile gearboxes and highly stressed engines. They are not a recipe for long life.
The European EVs are even worse, especially the early ones. Euro Hybrids and especially plug in hybrids are having all sorts of issues
The Chinese are generally making good quality EVs, they are stealing technology from Tesla and using the knowledge gained from Tesla supply chains. The European EVs are all very expensive, loss making or both and there have been some spectacular euro EV and hybrid failures. Look at https://x.com/evclinic
Yes there are still decent ICE cars but many are crap.
I keep looking at these, but reading all the complaints on the FB page, and forums makes me hesitant. Shit software, rubbish LKA and other "safety" equipment, piss poor paint and plastic that scratches after one wash, random software lockups, etc. If the software was half decent and they put a bit more effort into it, I reckon their next iteration will be decent.
Potentially considering one of these for the wife as her run around, but will still probably go for a 2nd hand petrol car that is better appointed and overall cheaper.
Don't forget only unhappy people complain and you see plenty of it on the internet. People with 1 problem will find all avenues to express it multiple times.
That said.
People need to know what they are walking into and whether it suits their needs. Once money paid it is hard to get it back.
The amount of hate it gets from actual owners should be ringing alarm bells… People should at least be wary before buying
Some people just expect too much or get it totally wrong.
Example a Kia Piccanto driver that thinks it should be 1.5x the size or 1.5x the quality OR someone going from BMW 1 series expecting the same interior.
Think about it this way. The WA Tesla Owners Association infamous spreadsheet saying the Model 3 is cheaper to own over 3 years vs Toyota Camry due to residual value of the M3 (there is other holes). Yet Tesla owners benchmark their car against BMW 3 series M3. So you'd think they would compare it against M3 to make it look cheaper to own.
People should at least be wary before buying
People should take the internet list of problems and have a look when test driving / inspecting to see if it is manufacturing error or user error. I've had family members who think a $2 item made in China is going to do the same thing as $6 item made by 3M. Sorry but it is manufactured to perform a task at a price.
I think it's always worth noting none of those issues stop the car going. Meanwhile Ford, Hyundai, Jeep etc have been making cars that fail in major ways when very new for the last 5-10 years.
The sound system in the Excite is awful. It sounds like a budget car from the 1990s. Essence gets a better system, but for this money customers should be getting a better systen.
MG4 is pretty good as a version 1 car. I bet the next model will fix all these problems and be a banger.
My partner has an Essence 64 and the software has been my personal worst point in a car that I otherwise really like. The absolute worst issue has been unexpected emergency braking when reversing during parallel parking. Suspicion is that the car detects a vehicle passing when mostly into the parking spot but decides there is a reason to not be reversing. Immediately stop, so hard that it is effectively indistinguishable from having reversed into a wall. It hurts a little!
That’s the worst of a number of software issues that together point to immature software that drives like a 5yo. It can obviously be upgraded, however we’ve been told the general MG approach is to upgrade software only to address specific issues, and upgrades can be a very time consuming and manual dealer task.
You'll be glad to know that the new Kias Seltos/Sportage do this as well.
This is very attractive. Now my head is going around the novated lease X paying outright problem.
Novated lease pros: Savings on GST, income tax, on-road costs, mortgage offset savings
Novated lease cons: interest, residual pay
Has anyone crunched these numbers before that could give me an opinion?
My goal: what works out to be the cheapest in, let's say, in 3 years time?
I got the Excite 51 a month ago at ~$33k with tinting, mats and insurance, plus budget for 2 tires and extra 12 months rego/CTP, on a notated lease at 7.5%. If you are top tax bracket you are looking at $650 a month and $21.5k balloon payment after 12 months with those kind of numbers.
So far I have done 600kms purely off solar top ups. The only money I have spent is $40 for a wireless CarPlay adapter. I compared many options and this was the best by a fair margin. YMMV based on the key variables of salary, interest rate and term but I recommend saying no to all the lease providers extras and negotiate/buy yourself.
But forgetting the numbers, these are really fun to drive! My last RWD car was a 1987 VL Commodore which I loved and since then my cars have been very sensible. This is both sensible and fun so I highly recommend!
The VL was the bees knees … The cars of that era were the best especially japanese.
Hi @Bingaro, just wondering, is there any battery power creep overnight?
The only money I have spent is $40 for a wireless CarPlay adapter.
Well don’t you take your car for servicing. That costs money and is required to maintain your warranty ??
First service is 1000km (free), second is 40,000km/2 years.
Why are people telling me that these will be worthless after 5/10 years because nobody wants to buy an old battery. Is it a realistic argument?
That argument seems tired now that the 'EVs are too expensive' excuse no longer holds. Pre Covid, resale value wasn’t a major factor for most cars. Unless you had a unique Japanese make or import, you wouldn't expect much resale value anyway. If you do need to replace the battery after 10 years, it's highly likely the price will have dropped due to ongoing innovation.
Worrying about depreciation in that sort of timeframe seems pointless. My bet is that ICE cars (except sportier models) will be next to worthless in 10 years when people can buy an affordable EV powered by dirt cheap renewable electricity with minimal maintenance costs, along with the ability to use it as a home battery in the long term. But that also means that there won't be huge money to be made from selling an older EV either.
You're putting a lot of hope into 10 years. Australia moves sloooow.
Why are people telling me that these will be worthless after 5/10 years
You need to ask them to borrow their time machine because it would be much more useful for the future. I'd go and check which companies are the new magnificent 7 stocks.
If the battery still works people will buy it. Look at Nissan Leafs: pretty crappy car by today's standards but people still buy them.
isn't the range on those insanly low like 64km the last used one i saw listed for sale.
dont forget the extra $3500 rebate if you're in WA
Honestly banger of a car, bought the 51 recently..had an issue with the mic and they sorted it out in no time. Drives smoothly and surprisingly more spacious than it appears!
Not sure if your boot differs from our Essence 64 but I found it odd that the provided “granny charger” doesn’t have an under-floor or otherwise hidden storage area. If they had differently styled the bonnet there’d likely even be space there to keep it out of the boot space.
Agree that it’s spacious. I’m a big guy who wasn’t able to fold myself comfortably into driving a supercharged Jaguar sedan with the drivers seat all the way back, but the MG4 fits just fine.
haha and the boot is hard to open too! Hey out of curiosity whats your plan in case you get a flat tyre? Road side assist?
V2H/V2L is what I'm keen to look. Would be cheaper to buy MG4 just for have a 64Kwh battery at home and occasional travel :-)
I'm looking for a non-solar panel setup, and automate below
* Grid (off-peak/cheap) -> charge Vehicle + Home usage
* V2H (peak times) -> Home
* Grid (peak) -> Disconnected from Home
* No need to give it back to Grid
for Electrical gurus out there
- Anyone have done a setup using V2H? Specs like inverter/design would be highly appreicated
- V2H, does it support 3Phase? or is it dependent on your inverter?
Keep them coming. These cheap Chinese cars, with their ever-improving build quality, can only be good for us consumers and for the big manufacturers to stop ripping us off (or ripping us off less).
Highly recommend, have the 51 and it’s a bloody amazing fun car to drive. We all fight over the EV. Charge it every second to third week. Rear wheel drive, super small turning circle and crap ton of power.
I mean 'crap ton' is pushing it but they aren't a bad steer and feel like they have more than 125kw due to how accessible it is :)
LOL must be his first EV ownership. The instant torque gives him the impression of "crap ton of power". It is a good cheap EV but personally I cannot tolerate its dark gloomy interior with low-tech equipment. Will be interesting to see what MG will do to upgrade its interior probably in 2025.
Yes spot on, instant torque at any speed, not just from start is enjoyable.
"crap-ton", in the context of an everyday hatch, this isn't the sport model so all relative.
Not sure what you mean by low-tech, I have a MY24 CX5 and the tech seems superior.
Mazda has the HUD and Blind Spot, but this has a lot more active safety features (many people don't like them and say the car tries to kill you), but that isn't our experience.
@UltimateAI: Compare the interior and its infotainment system with other similar small EV hatches i.e. BYD Dolphin and GWM Ora, you can also see various car reviews on YouTube too. MG4's interior and infotainment system is the worst and most low-tech.
@edfoo: Different price point, I test drove Tesla and BYD offerings all good cars all different categories. Not claiming mg4 is the best just not poor and a lot better than Mazda.
@UltimateAI: What do you mean by different price point? When MG4, Dolphin and Ora were initially released in late 2023, they were in similar price range and in the same category of cars, that's why you can see many YouTube reviews comparing these three cars. Yes since then MG4 has reduced in price a lot, especially the Excite 51 followed by this Excite 64, which makes them great value EVs, but all three Chinese-made EVs still belong to the same category of EV and can be compared.
@edfoo: Talking current price point, $32-34k. The Ora was just way too small and I did not like the interior.
How boring life would be if we all drove the same cars.
@UltimateAI: But all three still in the same class of small EV hatches. Ora is not that much smaller in size, interior choice is individual but personally MG4 is the worst of them all. As for what you drive, that's up to you, I never ever told everyone to just drive one model of car, my initial post was saying the interior and infotainment system of MG4 is an absolute no-no for me. However at its current price point, it is a great value EV for other people who can tolerate its interior and tech.
My workplace gave me one of these (Excite 64) for one year.
The instant torque is great, but the unfixable software issues really annoyed me. The car would forget my settings / preferences each time I turned off the car. The car would also refuse to start 20% of the time, and there were all these other random glitches.
The amount of storage is terrible, so the car is ok for moving one or two people around but not for a family.
By comparison, my personal Tesla Model 3 just works as expected and has so much more storage. If I was looking to buy a car and I could afford it, I’d pay a little extra for a second hand Tesla. Access to the supercharger network is also helpful for longer range trips.
All the key supercharger locations seem open to others now, not really an issue.
Bit of a learning curve, ie: need to have the door shut BEFORE pressing the BRAKE pedal. Pressing the brake starts the car, if you do this while the door is open, yes the software doesn't like this. It's a hatch not a sedan, so yes for a family a Model 3 is perhaps a better choice. But as a hatch this has an amazing turning circle and easier to park, so my teenagers love it.
You obviously didn't hear about the infamous Chery J series (2011 - 2015) that was discontinued due to poor build quality and use of Asbestos in it's manufacturing.