New runout pricing for Excite 64. Same specs are base model 51 but a bigger battery (about 100km more range). Similar price cut of $10-11k like they did to the 51 base model.
Yes, we all know it's Chinese but it comes with a dealer network and long 10 year warranty.
Range of up to 450km (WLTP)
@Dogsrule: Charge all types of batteries to 60-80% constantly with the occasional 100% charge and they will last for ages.
LFP may need to be briefly charged to 100% every week or two to maintain the BMS.
The biggest dip in degradation occurs in the first 100,000km anyway.
It’s a non problem.
Charge all types of batteries to 60-80% constantly with the occasional 100% charge and they will last for ages.
Completely agree. Another myth is that NMC batteries should never be charged to 100% therefore the rated range is really 80% of max. Not true at all, they can safely be charged to 100% for the occasional long trip without any practical reduction in battery life, its constant 100% charging that wears them out quickly.
The biggest dip in degradation occurs in the first 100,000km anyway.
It’s a non problem.
Facts. I lost the first 2% in 40,000km, the next 80,000km only caused another 2%.
@Dogsrule: Is it a Tesla? If so, make sure you actually measure how much you travel in km and check range that way. I suspect they are using software tricks to manipulate 'available' range and or cutting power from motor to get more range. More like APPLEGATE. I call it TeslaBSgate. It will look like you have only lost 2% range but in reality lost much more.
@Naigrabzo: Yes Tesla. There is a battery test available in the service menu that fully drains the battery from 100% down to 0% then charges back up to 100% and measures the total kWh put into the battery.
I did this test about 6 months ago and the got a result of 76.1kWh from a net new capacity of 79kWh, so about 3.7%, probably a bit more by now.
Whilst NMC and NCA are older chemistries now. They are still quite reliable. Lots of Model S/X owners with close to 10 year old NMC batteries that still retain 90% of their usable capacity.
I prefer do do my cooking outside the car.
NMC batteries require particular technology to remedy battery overheating, or a cookoff is a possibility.
Haven't heard of any LiFePO4 car batteries cooking off….. and sod all of any in other situations, unlike the routine scooter recharging etc fires.
99% of people have no idea what that means
Less of an impact than they first thought.
I’m gonna see if I can upgrade my order
Wrong thread, buddy
Apparently, lol
I think mg ice is absolute trash but the mg ev is better than a lot of ev on the market
This is a great price for a car with a decent battery to use when bi-directional charging happens by the end of the year.
When it happens is MG4 ready for V2H?
Yeah i dont see anything about v2h
7kW! better than nothing. Will reduce life of car battery though.
Was looking for this comment.
Is this Nintendo 64 chemistry?
Loved that game. I remember the hill climb specifically was awesome fun. Only rented it once or twice. Kids these days wouldn't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Wow what a sick price
Would be a no brainer if I didn't already have an EV
Lanjiao LOL
LOL
Is there a Mr. Jiao here? A Mr. Lan Jiao? What about a Mr. Ku Ku Jiao?
Lol… haven’t heard people speak these terms for ages.
Crazy pricing for a muti-award winning car. Can't wait to see their more premium semisolid-state battery IM cars here.
It's ridiculous that this is $5k cheaper than a base corolla
But it's a Toyota…
At these prices I have to wonder if Toyota is living off fleet sales over private sales and what will happen when those fleets move to other brands.
Everyone I know went from avid Toyota purchasers to Korean briefly and now Chinese because it made the most financial sense
I went from a GR Yaris to a Kona N. Holy (profanity), did I (profanity) up. It seems nice, but it's just not the Toyota level of polish.
@bunnybash: You're forgetting the huge 40k GR Yaris deal that was on here. I had the base and a Rallye. Funnily enough they're both in the same price range. 56-62k
Kona tried to push more tech, but it was buggy, unrefined. Kona had brake line issues. Also you can't wash anywhere near the front because the knock sensor shits itself.
but it's just not the Toyota level of polish.
Never heard anyone put the words Toyota and Polish together. This is coming from a Toyota owner for almost a decade and loved that car
@HerpinDerp: I went from a GR Yaris to an older Megane RS. I much prefer the Megane lol
The GR had soooooo much cheap nasty plastic all over it and in it.
cheaper than a new Yaris with hubcaps..no joke
The Yaris is $32k
And you'll be able to sell your Yaris in 2, 5, or 10 years' time no problem at all. Good luck trying to sell an old Chinese car second hand The market for those has to be near zero.
@1st-Amendment: Yeah what a ridiculous comment. I am literally waiting for these foto become under 20k, and even with them slashing 10k off new car prices it still hasn't happened
Not $5k. Only ~$1k.
Base Corolla is $36k. Where did you get $5k from? It’s $1k cheaper.
Two years later the corolla is worth $10,000 more then the MG.
Didn't know cars were being used as investments now. Crazy.
Will be worth 10k more than the MG second hand. Market will be flooded with 2nd hand MGs. Will be interesting to see how they hold up.
@Spidey: Reminds me of when we had a tonne of commodores and falcons going for cheap when people sold cars. Because there were so many on the road.
Crazy to think we all survived those times.
@Windows98: My equity Mate loans. You could borrow against the equity in your home at mortgage rates. Every idiot went out and bought a new car. Three shifts at Holden.
Didn't know cars were being used as investments now. Crazy.
It's called TCO. They teach you these things at school…
They aren't. It's called minimising your loses
That's sharp pricing. Worth it just for the battery.
That's a 64kw battery for $35,000!
To put it in perspective, Tesla want $12,000 for their 13.5kw Power wall battery, and then you have install on top of that.
When we are eventually allowed to power our houses with our car batteries, you'd be mad to buy a Powerwall (or any other 'house battery').
The side benefit is that you'll be able to drive around in your 'house battery' as well.
But the main benefit is legitimately being able to go off grid, or better yet sell your power to the grid at peak demand times and make a mint.
64kw would power my 5 bed home a whole week easily. Solar during the day to top up the battery would extend that indefinitely.
The only reason we aren't able to do this already (you can in other countries), is because both major parties listen to the power lobbyists too much.
Does this car have the functional ability to send power to the home/grid?
Not legislated/approved yet. Australian government is dragging their feet approving suitable chargers/inverters that allow that function.
Most modern EV's around the world can do it, but clearly some manufacturers would prevent it from happening due to the increased wear on the battery.
Very green/early days…. but it's coming.
My real question is, can I buy this car, and then hope in 3 years time (once legislation catches up) to power my house?
@sween64: This car already has V2L capability (vehicle to load = can power external devices/appliances via an internal powerpoint), but V2G (and the additional power transmission) would require that power to be delivered via the charge cable and directly into a compatible inverter.
You can "hope" in 3 years that'll happen, but can it be promised? Of course not.
It IS however, a viable short term solution to our struggling power grid issues in Australia.
There will come a time in the very near future that the cashed up lobbyists will come second fiddle to the needs of the power grid, and the gov will finally green light this proper.
There are already a couple V2G inverters seeking approval right now (I think one or two already have it). Google.
Pretty funny how they're legislating remotely turning off solar panels yet we have this massive energy sink that are ev's able to soak up the excess and put it back into the grid at night.
@Drakesy: It's not funny, it's intentionally manipulative. At the end of the day there is mob 1 that are making a killing off of the rollout of renewables and energy storage (as the only "socially acceptable" policies available), and mob 2 the wholesale/retailers capitalizing on off-peak shortages and whinging about peak generation as a consquence (something we'll get fleeced for to address the grid to!). This is in no way a critique of moving to renewables, just how logic defying and idiotically haphazard we are in how we are doing it. Neither mob has much interest in solving any of the actual problems impacting the grid or consumer pricing, just fleecing us all for as long as they possibly can. And the government allow it all. I have a close relo that works for AEMO, you can imagine what subject we always end up grumbling about. :D
just fleecing us all for as long as they possibly can
Yes!
Just like they were proposing to add an additional supply charge for solar households because the grid was originally designed for delivery of electricity but now it is 2 way so solar households should have to pay twice.
I'm like. I don't see you put in extra cables out of my house to the pole or more wires on the pole. I am convinced the "dumbness" is just a smart way to get more money out of regular people.
@Drakesy: It is by design.
Just follow the money and see who benefits. Consumers are the last to the party.
Grid level batteries are suppose to be cheaper than household batteries and if energy is basically free from 12-2pm why hasn't large companies built more batteries. Why invest when you can just still get margin per kWh when power is free instead of sinking money in with a payback.
My household uses like 3kWh net in summer and like 5kwh net in winter. If they really wanted to get emissions down why don't think change the supply charge into per kwh charge to penalise those who use more power. It would surely help the poor out. But you know senior management and the rich don't want to disadvantage their mates.
The grid is comical.
clearly some manufacturers would prevent it from happening due to the increased wear on the battery.
No. Tesla do it because it would cannibalize their Powerwall sales
I’ll stick to my PW2’s thanks for powering my home. The last thing I want to do is be degrading my car battery faster and the potential warranty issues this may bring. IMO it’s a bit of a minefield re warranty and I expect manufacturers to have something in their warranties about using them for powering your house when it becomes available to do so. Not to mention you can only do it when the car is at home and connected, where as my PW2’s are always connected and ready to go in the event of an outage.
It’s kWh. Not kw.
ok.
Does that change any of the points I've made though?
Well, there's no such thing as kw to start with. Also, they measure different things, even if you did mean kW.
May as well have called them puppy dog tails.
"She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene."
@Daabido: Modded down for offering correct information. OZB at its finest…
I added one to try and get you back in the black
@1st-Amendment: Actually he was negged for taking a common mistake that lots of people make which in context no one is confused about (except maybe himself) and rather than just correct him, starts talking about puppy dogs like some lunatic
Sorry mate, if you think this guy is doing people a service, his attitude isn't. He should learn what context is and maybe pull his head in
The only reason we aren't able to do this already (you can in other countries), is because both major parties listen to the power lobbyists too much.
Seems like Labor already have a plan?
https://www.drive.com.au/news/australian-government-to-annou…
They need to!
This bullcrap talk about power providers being able to TURN OFF our solar panels isn't a solution!
It's wasted power, but they instead want us all to buy their power- not generate out own.
Big house batteries like this would cut into their profits big time.
Yes power companies hate the thought of V2G unless they can access it
Then they will buy that excess car battery power for like 3.3 cents a KW like FIT and sell it to your next door neighbour for 30-50 cents
Tesla will also resist V2G as well they want you to buy their Powerwalls :)
I be happy to just have V2H and buy a cheap EV as a battery :)
@davemc: At the moment solar generation FIT is extremely low because we now have too much of it. So it's basically worthless with a lot of it not being used. And why companies like Ovo can offer free electricity between peak solar times to use up that over supply.
I would wager that when we move to supplying vehicle battery at night time, the FIT would be quite high to entice people to share their much loved battery storage much like it was in the early days of solar generation.
@Windows98: yes night time FIT be higher..
Although unless you go Amber cannot see them giving you anything like even 50% of what they sell it for.
personally I be happy just to fill up a EV which is not used for the day and use the power at night for Zero bills.
Looked at a Powerwall 13.5kw so say 12kw you use a day. at 29cents a kw $3.50 a day saving max. Although winter I have days of 4kw so not fill it from sun every day. On a $15k installed battery over 15 years ROI
@davemc: Yea I'm thinking with v2l and V2G, dedicated battery will not be needed in the future.
The tech will slowly improve and the legislation and infrastructure will move towards vehicles doing the load of supply at night time.
Assuming we have the right govt who want this to happen. And not one that intends to split atoms to create steam power like we're back in the 1950's.
Isn't that just turning off the solar power to the grid. To protect it from over supply? Which is a real problem. We can still utilise our solar generation for our house and car/battery charging.
I could be very wrong but from what I can see, and from what makes the most sense. It looks to me like the long term goal could be for mostly everyone to have solar panels and for everyone to share that solar generation to charge our vehicles during the day, to use up that oversupply of solar generation. Then everyone can opt in to supply a portion of their vehicle battery to supply to the grid at night and get paid for it.
In the long term this would make sense to reduce reliance on fossil fuels because everyone could potentially have an EV in the future and with our powers combined (I am captain planet), we could potentially decentralise power generation and supply.
@Windows98: In the very long term there will be large batteries that will be connected globally. So solar generation can be stored by one country and sent to another in need. There will be so much battery storage you'll need months of no sun for the world to run out of electricity.
@serpserpserp: Zero reason to believe this. These would be amazing targets for terrorism and war, and who is paying for them?
@Wolfenstein98k: On the contrary, (almost) zero reason to not believe it.
Guessing a specific year is foolish, but in a "very long term" of course the world will continue to organize/civilize and (now) globalize itself, as it has done for tens of thousands of years. Perhaps the only way to prevent it is if we're destroyed (based on all historical trends).
Thinking current cultures and geopolitics are going to persist in the "very long term" seems ridiculous when you stop to think that the invention of cities allying into nations is a pretty recent invention.
On the contrary, (almost) zero reason to not believe it.
Only if you don't know what Ohm's law is. But what is physics…
@Wolfenstein98k: So power plants aren't amazing targets for war/terrorism? Who pays for power plants?
Not sure why people have such fundamental wide views on power generation compared to power storage.
does MG have V2L?
Yes
@UFO
Keep in mind that just like the MG car being a lot more than just a battery, the tesla powerwall also incorporates a big arse inverter to convert the stored power back to 240V AC. I'm not suggesting that puts them on a level value field, but it narrows it a bit.
When you are allowed to power your house with the car battery, you'll still need some sort of big arse inverter to convert to 240V AC.
If you're going off grid, apart from normal off grid stuffs you'll still need some sort of power wall or DIY type battery to run the house, unless everything goes dark and smelly when the car drives away…. unless you never drive the car….
If you can sell power to the grid at peak demand times and make a mint….I'm jealous. I can barely sell power to the grid at any time, for a pittance.
If you're using less than 9KWh a day I'm impressed at your consumption patterns…. unless of course 4 of the bedrooms are empty. (Clearly creative hydroponics in 4 unused bedrooms would use a lot more power again!)
Which MG models are you talking about regarding safety and quality…. the ones incorporating the Prince of Darkness (Lucas)?
You think insurance is necessary because it might get knocked off?
lol liar
Then think of the tax savings on a novated lease…
I’m not thinking… I’m doing! Excite 51 over 5 years is costing me about $250 out of pocket a week.
Will see how much I end up spending on tires and servicing though - dealer is an bit expensive ($300+$900 minor/major every 4 years) so I’ll prob use my local mechanic.
I know the lease includes finance/charge/maintenance/insurance/etc but is it really costing $250 per week?
($250 x 52 x 5) $65,000 over 5 years ?
That may void the 10 year warranty.
@WhyAmICommenting: These are their terms and conditions of the warranty:
Under this Warranty, the owner of the vehicle is responsible for the proper operation and maintenance of the MG vehicle in accordance with the instructions provided in the relevant Owner’s Manual and Service & Warranty Booklet.
To be eligible for repairs under this Warranty, the owner must retain maintenance inspection records that demonstrate the required maintenance inspections have been performed. A service and maintenance log is included in the Service & Warranty Booklet. The “Scheduled Maintenance Record” must be completed whenever scheduled maintenance is performed.
It is the owner’s responsibility to ensure that all services are carried out as required in the Owner’s Manual and that detailed service and maintenance records are completed at the time of service and are kept by the owner to be provided to MG Motor Australia when requested.
These records must include:
Date of service and odometer reading at the time of service.
Description of Service/Maintenance: A thorough account of the work carried out.
Inspections: A list of all inspections performed during the service.
Adjustments, Corrections, and Replacements: Detailed descriptions of any adjustments, corrections, and parts replaced.
MG Genuine Replacement Parts: Information on MG genuine replacement parts used, including part numbers.
Oil and Fluids: The brand, grade, and quantity of any oil or fluids used.
Workshop Job Card: A copy of the workshop job card for the service performed.
Compliance with Owner’s Manual: Sufficient details to demonstrate that the service/maintenance performed adheres to the requirements specified in the Owner’s Manual.
As noted above, damage or failures resulting from improper maintenance are not covered under this Warranty. In some instances, the owner may be required to provide proof of servicing and vehicle maintenance to determine the availability of warranty coverage for certain repairs.
@Grok: You're absolutely right, and the latest research confirms that LFP suffers accelerated wear from charging to 100% just as NMC does:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/1945-7111/ad6cbd/…
The Tesla battery degradation thread over at Whirlpool shows LFP batteries degrading at a similar pace to the NMC batteries due to this fact. Anecdotally my own NMC battery has done 120,000km and has minimal wear, maybe 3-4%.