Mg4 excite 51 still at promotional price albeit 2 grand more. 10 years warranty. The petrol savings will pay itself after 7 years @ $2500 yearly petrol cost. Not financial advice..
From 1 November 2024 to 31 January 2025, the Excite 51 will rise to $32,990 drive-away - Drive.com.au
Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification.
Oooft, right in the sucker!
@cooldog reminds me of Bart Simpson for some reason
Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification.
Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification.
Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Australians without justification.
Fortunately, we have Chinese company, as the Germans and Japanese have overcharged Austra
@Maglia Nera: Reminds me more of when you parents call something "cool" then it definitely must be cool.
The battery dies in about ten years so that's about $3200 per year + electricity costs….
About 10 years, the car price is only !K or less
The battery dies in about ten years
EV is totally a lie.
Over 2800 ICE catch fire each year in NSW alone. Where are all the articles about those?
There have been a total of 7 EV fires in Australia ever - with over 180,0000 of them now on the road - and at least a couple of them were proven to have not been caused by the EV.
The statistics are consistent all over the world - EV fires are somewhere between 20 and 80 times less likely to be involved in a fire on a per 100,000 cars basis.
@goodwillN1: It's the usual suspects - hit and run, gish-gallop away with more misinformation and dumb takes.
There was a car fire on my way home last week. It looked like a relatively late model Toyota Corolla sedan, but I couldn't be sure. You can bet that one won't have a national news article written about it.
The Luton Airport carpark fire was totally, definitely caused by an EV and there were calls for country-wide bans and separate carparks for EVs…..and then the video evidence was released proving it was actually a diesel Range Rover.
And then more recently there was a big car fire in Portugal, where an EV was instantly and obviously to blame because somebody thought they might have seen that. Hundreds of articles about it appeared in the space of 24 hours about the dangers of EVs. But once the dust settled it and the investigation was wrapped up, it turned out to be an old Mercedes and no EVs were involved.
And you can bet that very few of the original commentors, who never bother to check facts or go back to confirm their story, will still have in their heads that both of those fires were caused by EVs and will undoubtedly continue to spread their ignorant nonsense.
@klaw81: This guy… Making sense and backing comments up.. What are you doing wasting your talents on the OzB comments section…
@klaw81: I did not know this. This is crazy!!! Murdoch should be jailed ASAP!
Every ev-hater's argument is that they catch fire. Somehow the media is showing 7 fires in the history of EV in AU to be worse than a yearly 2800! This is insane!
@klaw81: Let me improve your rating (from Perplexity paid;) EVs are 83x safer than ICEs & even more than Hybrids (for fire)
Not like there's a billion industry trying to discredit evs… Like in previous years, they won't stoop to sabotaging them.
True, just like petrol cars, the transmission and engine dies in 10 years and costs about $3300 per year plus petrol costs.
Tell that to the old gal's 20yr old 79 Series with 300k on the clock, still original running gear.
Given that the average age of vehicles in Australia is >11yr what you are saying makes no sense.
hahaha they were built with quality and those cars dont have even electrical windows. let get back to teh model T then simple dont have even a starter. but great that a 79 Series can do 300K so is not just the teslas that can go over and above hahaha https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/14/another-tesla-with-over…
@MDSUXKS: Solid as a rock it is, and an absolute pleasure to drive, it's like steering a B double but so smooth on the road. She just upgraded to a brand new dual cab, last of the V8s, and wow that thing sounds amazing. Kept the old one for use around the farm & dump runs etc.
@Ham Dragon: which is awesome I wish i still have my toyota Echo 2004 with 150k but got stolen i am not against to use what we have and give extra life to things is just that people think the new EVs are like smartphone staht we need to change every 2 years etc. but good on you to keep your 79 series nothing wrong with it and i hope one they the EV conversion for taht will be cheaper like they are doing with the ford broncos in america https://www.gatewaybronco.com/ev-bronco/ the price of a Lambo hahaha
@MDSUXKS: do you talk like that? must be hard to comprehend!
Can you read what you write? Please try punctuation and paragraphs…. deserves a neg for readability and systemic overuse of hahahahahahahaha
I did get to plough through your post and work out the meaning. I can honestly say that we did not pinch our 2004 toyota echo from you… the missus bought it new. It's up to about 280K so far. With her driving, it goes through tyres more than anything else. (at least those tyres have plenty of tread left so I might make sandals from them, but the sidewalls aint much good for anything)
These days I try to keep a couple of spare ignition coils (from the wrecker) on hand, because it's gone through a few of them. Apart from that, oil and filters is the only maintenance cost over the last 20 years.
@Ham Dragon: Good for (home museums &) farms with lots of space, not for the city with overcrowded spaces & using petrol like war tanks. New laws will prohibit the mechanics from fixing older cars, aiming to save on pollution. EVs with 360° views/full road safety sensors & latest electronics convenience, E2L/G powering any appliances are different league. I prefer the Sound of Silence 🎵
That’s chump change to some early Teslas booking up almost 1million kms on original battery
One EV battery has reportedly lasted >640,000km. Scientists have proven that EV batteries could eventually last up to 6.5 million kms
the transmission and engine dies in 10 years and costs about $3300 per year plus petrol costs.
Must be from MG 🤣
My 2001 Hyundai Accent seems to be a 1-in-a-million then…
@ onlinepred
If you've been regularly killing cars after 10 years, and aren't regularly circumventing the globe, there's a problem either in your driving skills or your choice of vehicles.
I recently upgraded to a 14 year old LPG falcon because I wanted a 6 speed transmission for an economy improvement. The 20 year old falcon is now resting gracefully ready for emergency use. The missus's 20 year old toyota echo is running like new. (all of them with well over 200K)
The missus's 25 year old 4wd sportage was terminally retired after cylinder head/ coolant loss… but not too devastating for a $1500 purchase that did a fair bit of service. The replacement 25 year old 4wd sportage is doing fine. The inconvenience/ expense of timing belt planned replacement is a pain in the arse, pity they didn't build it with a timing chain… but that's a different matter.
I forget, what were you saying? Something about ten year ICE life? Ahh, and the $3300 per year cost? Some of my best ICEs didn't cost $3300 outright!
Don't get me wrong, I am an EV believer waiting for something that meets my requirements to come along, as it's such a shame to waste all that solar from the roof that effectively goes to waste.
I was being sarcastic at the comment of EVs only lasting 10 years.
Citation needed. There's absolutely no evidence to support this, when there are now plenty of 10+ year old EVs with the original battery still driving around.
Hell, the whole car has a warranty of 10 years.
If it dies it will probably be refurbished or a new pack will be added guess what in 10 years batteries will be so much cheaper how to i know easy https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-…
Just some example of IcE cars that things expensive died even before 10 years look the sorentos and santa fe with less than 50K with transmission issues aroubd teh world. Ford ranger before having transmission replacement and so on.
So there are 15 year old Leafs still going on their original batteries. That’s old tech battery as well. Modern ones will outlive the car. No idea why the silly narrative that the battery will need to be replaced is a thing, yes some fail and with a 10 year warranty it’s all covered. There’s Tesla’s and BYD’s out there will 800k miles plus still on their original batteries.
You can't even buy parts for most ICE cars after 7 years
buy if you can't afford a Tesla but wanted to go electric.
or you dont want to spend 60k on a car that you use to go to work and back.
you can get a 2028 model 3 for 3 grands nowadays is just a matter of time and teh consumers are teh winners people dont realise that.
Teslas are utter dogshit. They were when they were the only option, and remain so with a raft of competition from far more credible manufacturers.
That must be why Tesla out-sells every other BEV on the market by a wide margin, both here and in the US, and why the Model Y is the most popular car in the world.
I don't claim they're perfect, but they're the benchmark by which every other EV is measured.
Tesla had a first mover advantage, particularly in context of the novated leasing arrangements locked in years past. This is eroding. Of the 70,000 BEV's sold so far this year, only 30,000 have been Tesla's.
Damn shame, those statistics. The fact they hold a minority share of the overall market probably isn't what you wanted to hear during those vinegar strokes. Or the fact they're 12th place in overall vehicle sales in this country, behind GWM. Behind MG. Or the fact that in BEV's alone, despite being on the market for 30 seconds, BYD now sells 35% of Tesla's share. All of this in context of sold out order queues for many of the competitors here.
Oh, and the fact that BYD out-sell Tesla globally, by a healthy margin.
They are being outsold at the top end luxury segment, they're being destroyed in the small vehicle segment where they refuse to compete, their CEO is a douchebag, and if you want to know about their "quality" there's 1000x teardown videos on youtube of all of their models, by car engineers, going into the pure pants on head level idiocy of their engineering.
It's okay though. There will always be another idiot ready to buy a vehicle that can't go through a carwash. You'll always have friends.
@Ademos: Wow +3 upvotes at the time of reading.
You've made a claim that tesla's are dogshit, and proceeded to spew more non-sense rather than evidence.
Musk is a (profanity). Cars are mostly good these days. New Model 3 highland (no extras) is refined to drive with a base model priced close to higher spec'd civics and the new camry (drive away $58,812 from https://www.toyota.com.au/camry/range)
@eddyah: Imagine my surprise that youre focussing on the popularity contest, and most upset that you're losing it. The cult of Elon.
Tesla had a first mover advantage
This is of absolutely zero relevance to current sales figures.
Of the 70,000 BEV's sold so far this year, only 30,000 have been Tesla's.
Sounds like you're confirming my figures. Over 40% of the entire market dominated by just 2 Tesla offerings.
The fact they hold a minority share of the overall market
They were never going to hold a majority stake forever, with only 2 models. The fact they held it for several years, against much larger and more mature companies, is pretty significant.
Or the fact they're 12th place in overall vehicle sales in this country
Considering there are lots of vehicle segments they don't compete in at all, achieving 12th place with only 2 models - vehicles that start towards the top of the $50k bracket - is remarkable.
They are being outsold at the top end luxury segment, they're being destroyed in the small vehicle segment where they refuse to compete
How amazing that they're being outsold in markets they're not contesting /s
their CEO is a douchebag
Agreed - his political views are heinous. But he's played a major role in disrupting at least 4 major global industries in two decades, so he must be right about a few things.
if you want to know about their "quality" there's 1000x teardown videos on youtube of all of their models, by car engineers, going into the pure pants on head level idiocy of their engineering.
There are always plenty of armchair engineers who turn out to be clueless morons, and mouth off about stuff they don't understand. See John Cadogan for an example - a guy who once knew a thing or two, but now creates sensationalist content full of falsehoods and misinformation for the algorithm - because the uninformed just eat it up and have no critical thinking skills.
There are equally any number of videos talking about how cleverly they're made, how cost- and time-efficient their designs are, and tons of manufacturers are trying to mimic their construction techniques. There's a great interview with Jim Farley somewhere, who speaks with great admiration about the Tesla's excellent design principles.
There will always be another idiot ready to buy a vehicle that can't go through a carwash
That meme has zero substance and was a total coincidence. Teslas can go thorugh car washes just fine, and thousands of them do it every day.
If you don't like them, that's totally okay. There are plenty of alternatives.
But he's played a major role in disrupting at least 4 major global industries
He played a major role in many of his major endeavours being government funded while trying to call said support "handouts" and pull the ladder up after him, the ladder he jumped past thanks to blood emeralds.
There are always plenty of armchair engineers
Not armchair engineers, qualified, experienced, former big-brand factory engineers. You don't know this, because you haven't looked, and you haven't watched any of it.
There are equally any number of videos talking about how cleverly they're made
No, no there aren't.
Strange that you wrote an essay but didn't address the carwash issue with any sort of honesty. Shall we talk about the tongue weight issue on the cybertruck?
That meme has zero substance
This is a blunt lie, and I'm not spending another word on someone willing to be so blatant in their wilful ignorance.
@Ademos: Someone must be a real sook. A douchebag that has rallied and crippled half the sooks in USA
Double digit IQ detected
Soo…at 8l per 100k, that would mean driving ~17,000 kilometres a year. For a city car, that is a bold driving range claim to show such a large saving.
Huh? 17k a year is a very reasonable claim. Though I think the average distance travelled per year is closer to 14,000km.
This is based on a 91 @ 178c
It's about 12k avg per year in Australia.
I am so excited
I don't get it…buy the current model for $32.9k or wait a couple of months and buy the newer version for the same price.
Something that annoys me about EV cars is that they assume I'm "into tech". I just want to buy a regular car that runs off electricity and not petrol. I don't want to have an app, or some flashy key that costs $1500 to replace, or an imax screen on the dash. I just need to drive to the supermarket, man.
Mostly it's price IMHO. There are significant production savings to getting rid of physical buttons and all the wiring that goes with them. Makes the car a lot cheaper to produce.
I somewhat agree with you, but there's a larger picture. For one; a lot of these cars require beefy hardware configurations to run their on-board computer.
But then there's also the software. Take Tesla, for example; people often talk about their minimalistic interior designs as a cost-saving measure, but they overlook the proprietary operating system running in the car. This OS is far more comprehensive and robust than those from other manufacturers, with constant improvements through over-the-air updates, including server-side AI data centres for iteratively improving their autonomous driving features (though most of these features aren’t available in Australia yet).
The software side alone involves absolutely massive ongoing costs which people don’t typically consider.
How many new cars (of any kind) don't have a big screen? How many new cars (of any kind) don't have any form of remote access beyond a standard fob?
The big screen is a natural evolution of all the features that cars are required to have these days. Reversing cameras are mandatory for all cars now, and other stuff like 360 degree cameras are really useful and will become mandatory to get a decent ANCAP rating.
Most cars have enough features and options that a touchscreen is the easiest, cheapest and most convenient way to give the user control of those options. Also, the apps are super handy but usually entirely optional.
Petrol or electric; the days of simple push-button controls and conventional analog dashes are long gone and they're not coming back.
And flipside, others in the market for new cars ARE into more tech etc. So they have to decide who is the the better market.
others in the market for new cars ARE into more tech etc
Absolutely. Anyone under the age of 30 is almost certainly looking for Android Auto or Carplay as standard, and wouldn't even consider buying a new car without it.
A big high-resolution screen paired with a decent quality reversing camera is a massive advantage when getting out of a tight carpark.
The app for my car is a huge improvement in convenience - starting up the climate control a few minutes before I get to the car is wonderful, and a combination of smart home locks and car app means I barely need to carry keys anymore.
under 30..pfft closer to 50 and still prefer auto/carplay etc with decent lcd screen (and buttons - not 100% on everything controlled in LCD).
Also nowadays after using it - app connected to car is also a great feature, have to agree - especial for servicing and tyre - oil checks remote - and yes wife lovs having the seats heated before we get in.
LOL If we had this forum 50 years ago when power steering and aircon etc would be the same thing I bet grannies and Gramps still using telstra public phones or no wait they have cellphones I forgot it it call human evolution. Is it good? not sure but that is the pathway just a matter of time to more changes to come. Get used too keep up and maybe think ah is a opportunity to lern something new.
So this would be perfect for you. It’s missing a bunch of those ‘tech features’
Have to copy the market leader… Even if it's nonsensical. Eventually will see more differentiation.
None of it is nonsensical. May of these features are either mandated by regulation, or standard features the target market expects. Provided that using apps and the other advanced options are entirely optional, I don't see what the problem is.
When I rented a Tesla for a few days a while back, it only came with the standard key (credit card thing) that costs $20 to replace. The app was disabled by the rental company so I couldn't use any of those features - and it was totally fine.
Meant the giant screens. They get in the way plus slow down adjustments while driving.
@Cave Fire: Do you have an actual example of a giant screen "getting in the way" , or is this more of a vibes thing?
The servicing cost on this car is a bit ridiculous…
1200 in 4 years?
My parents have had theirs since Australian release and they haven't needed to get it serviced yet. And theyve been told to get it serviced every 24 months and it'll cost $320. Which is half the price of what it costs to service my Mazda over the same time period. So, I guess by 'ridiculous' you mean 'cheap'.
Second and 4th service will be about 800 I think
900
Looking at what they check it's pretty comprehensive… I bet there would be very few mechanics that would know what they're looking at … Especially when they always let the new kid do the work
So 4 and 8 years into ownership?
The normal services cost $300, I misspoke before, so 300+900+300+900= 2400 over 8 years. Or $2700 over the course of the warrantee or 10 years.
Taking into account the major services I have also have to put my ICE car through, which are minimum $500, plus the $320 I paid this year for a regular service = $320+320+320+320+500+320+320+320+320+500= 3560 over a 10 year period.
Cheaper to service the MG than my Mazda over a 10 year period.
you aren't wrong. Goes for BYD too. Really servicing should be almost nothing. I think the real value will be once the servicing/warranty period is over, then you won't feel compelled to service them at all!
They are wrong, though. Its cheaper to service than an equivalent sized Mazda over a 10 year period.
Petrol savings of $33k??? how much petrol you guys are using??
woudl take 15 year to get back if teh petrol is at avg AUD 1.7 per liter driving 14k yeas and teh car consuption is 12km per liter. You woudl be spending around 2K per year and assuming you would charge the car at home with you r own solar then the 33K pay off will happen.
Ok. I drive like 5000km a year. So about 40 years for me. Would the MG last 40 years? Would I last 40 years might be more pertinent
By driving 5k an year yes your Mg will last 40 more years, now maybe we wont be here in 40 years who knows. maybe by them we will be wearing neuralinks and not need a car or dead by any crazy ditactorship country trying tio take over another and pressing teh red button so not sure I can do just simple maths haha.
@MDSUXKS: The battery degrades with time, even if not used much (time and temperature are the main factors in battery degradation).
Unlikely the battery would last 40 years.
buy this instead of the other crap "suv"
So many crap SUVs. What a wonderful motoring era to be in.
I wouldn’t mind betting that you could negotiate that extra 2 grand away .
There is a massive disinformation program funded by the fossil fuel industry about EV s.
There are a number of class actions against Hyundai and Kia about faults in their engines ( apparently there is piston burnout issue that starts as early as 80,000 km. )
I wonder about depreciation on EV s , particularly because of battery degradation, but what else is likely to go wrong ? An electric motor has only a couple of moving components, there is no $12,000 gearbox to replace the day after your warranty expires .
The thing lacking ( but will probably be addressed ) is the capacity to allow your EV to feed INTO your house , as well as charge from it .
Sure in Australia, there are plenty of scenarios where a petrol or diesel powered vehicle is necessary and appropriate, but the reality is that ICE powered vehicles are rapidly being replaced by EV s.
Big oil conspiracies? Sounds like you have done your research.
MG? Yuck brand
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Buy MG at own risk. They dont care about brand or residual values, just selling more cars. My MG4 lost half its value in only one year and they will keep slashing prices to keep up with the new chinese entrants next year. This car probably only worth 5K used in 5 years and scrap after the warranty runs out. Going back to Japanese/Korean brands after this expensive lesson.
Happy to buy it off you for 5K in 5 years bro
Unless you're buying something rare and/or exotic, cars should not be treated as an investment
Why would you invest in shrinking nich colector market (needs space) when you can invest in free universal brain development (skills, knowledge & Wisdom) that you can always apply to make the necessary money? No maintenance cost/space/risk ;)
Dont understand how cars devaluing quickly after purchase is news to you. Don't understand how you didn't realise that all EV manufacturers are mucking around with their prices (esp CCP subsidised Chinese brands) before you bought.
There is a wide range of EV servicing costs. From free - Audi, Genesis, Jaguar, Polestar, Volvo - to thousands for Mercs and $5,495 for Porsches.
$1258 (MG 4)
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/electric-vehicle-servicin…
So MG4 $32,990+ 907 service 1st EoYear (1203-1258/5y), but FREE servicing for Jaguar $144,125 +on-road costs I-Pace EV400 R-DYNAMIC-S & $165,075 +orc for I-Pace EV400 R-DYNAMIC-HSE, 294kW
For any car servicing, FREE is not free ;)
It's not free.. is just you paid for it when you bought the car
Friends don't let friends buy MG
Waiting for pro-certain-country-government comment from a cool dog.