Looking at current prices of used tesla's and brand new tesla's quiet a huge drop in price from new to old.
I know by owning an EV you save on fuel….but buying them brand new and losing $20,000-$25,000 after 3 years of ownership makes little sense or does it? So my question is.
What do you exactly save?
Are you just making one of the greatest scammers Elon rich or you are actually saving money?
@Euphemistic: This all started because of
"After careful consideration and investigation, Willowbank Raceway has decided that we can no longer allow road-registered Fully Electric Vehicles to race or test at Willowbank Raceway".
And nothing was mentioned about petrol
why?
because
I think it has more to do with not being able to put a battery fire out and not batteries being more dangerous than petrol
some people just cant understand what i said and spruke crap about rupert being my hero
I don't think i have ever mentioned rupert or provided one link to his empire.
fanboi trigger warning much?
Opinions are like armpits we all got them and they all stink
understand?
Its not me you have to convince its the media
But don't let that sway you as its my fault and i take full responsibility
And the stupidity of hybrid being acceptable but full electric is a total ban
Its not me you have to convince its the media
Be that as it may, you have added clicks to their stories. Unfortunately the media only listen to clicks, not people and giving them more clicks on EV fire stuff isnt helping the situation. They dont know our reasons for clicking. The cant tell if we agree or disagree with the story, just that we clicked. More biased stories get more clicks, especially anti EV stuff.
Its too easy to find media stories with hype when we should be linking more data driven sources.
@Euphemistic: Its too easy to find media stories with hype when we should be linking more data driven sources.
No
You need to get off your backside and correct them otherwise they will continue on their happy way.
If you don't stand up for what you believe then you are a hypocrite and happy for the outcome we have now
Why haven't you all done something productive instead of keeping your mouth shut over something you find so wrong
I bet not one person here has made an effort to combat Willowbank Raceway's view
You get what you deserve if you cant be bothered and as someone who knows that its the squeaky wheel that gets the oil you all have failed
You need to get off your backside and correct them otherwise they will continue on their happy way.
And how would you suggest we go about this? I already call it out on forums and social media groups when I see it.
I bet not one person here has made an effort to combat Willowbank Raceway's view
Why would we? Have you contacted them? Ill bet its an insurer that prompted it and its an interim measure until they work out the best practice for safety.
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@Loot N Plunder: Again with the garbage links…
The incident occurred at around 12:10 a.m. local time when an electric vehicle carrying “five occupants” was “going at a high rate of speed,"
From the Police press release;
the Tesla lost control and struck the guard rail and then a concrete pillar
So, it had nothing to do with a fault with the Tesla just randomly catching fire, just the fact it was driven at a high rate of speed, crashed into a guard rail and into a concrete pillar. This is the photo of the car… The car is smashed almost beyond recognition yet they still managed to pull one person out alive? This isnt an EV related fire, no car would have survived being wrapped around a concrete pillar.
And noted that you failed to post this fire. Note how the narrative changes about the fire when it was caused by petrol/diesel that they dont feel the need to mention it or even make it part of the headlines?
4 Killed After a Tesla Crash Sparks Fire in Toronto: "Horrific scene" (Emphasising "Tesla" and "fire" in their click bait headline and that it was "horrific")
vs "ICE" vehicle crashes that involve people dying in resulting fires… (all from the same "source")
4 Killed, 17 Injured After Semi-Truck Crashes into Vehicles Stuck in Michigan Traffic (No mention of makes of vehicles nor their fuel type or that there even was a fire, something that is obvious from the photos. Also note the lack of "emotive descriptions" like "horrific". 4 innocent people dead, 17 injured, cars and trucks burned to the ground… not "horrific" or even "tragic".)
or
Man Killed in Car Fire as He Tries to Dislodge It from Snowbank in N.J. (No mention of the brand that caught fire. No mention of it being an "ICE" vehicle. No "emotive descriptors".)
or, again
3 Killed, 2 Injured In Fiery Crash Involving 'Several' Indiana State University Football Players (No mention of make of vehicle, fuel used to power vehicle or what "spearked" the fire. Not listed with any "emotive descriptors".)
Or, one more…
Explosive Crash That Killed Couple on Niagara Falls Bridge 'Had No Link to Terrorism,' Officials Say (Again, no mention of make of vehicle or fuel or what "spearked" the fire. Killed two people but again, no use of "emotive descriptors".)
Just jokes, got another one…
Wife Pulls Husband from Burning Car After Crash That Killed 1: ‘He Thought He Was Dead’ (And again, no mention of the vehicle makes or models or what "sparked" the fire. At least they kind of almost mentioned "fire", and no "emotive descriptor".)
You wanted more? Ok, fam, hold my beer…
Ga. High School Principal, His Pregnant Wife and 3-Year-Old Son Killed in Car Crash: 'Heartbroken' (No make or model of vehicle mentioned. "Fire" is not mentioned until almost the very bottom of the story. But does have a "soft" emotive descriptor. Family of 3 crushed between 2 trucks and burnt to death is only merely "heartbreaking" not "horrific".)
What's that? There cant be any more? Well…
2 People Killed After Car Plunges Off Pacific Coast Highway and Bursts Into Flames (No mention of the make or model in the headlines or that this make or model "sparked" a "fire". No "emotive descriptors".)
Do I need to keep going?
If you don't stand up for what you believe then you are a hypocrite and happy for the outcome we have now
I dont know if you are drunk or just trolling… Asked and answered already. I am standing up to the media and calling out bullshit when I see it. But I am 1 person on 1 forum. It's overwhelming trying to debunk 2 people's bullshit on here compared to trying to take down a "billion dollar media empire's" worth of bullshit…
Why haven't you all done something productive instead of keeping your mouth shut over something you find so wrong
We literally aren't keeping our mouths shut. We are here, on this forum telling people who spew this misinformation bullshit out as the bullshit that it is. There may be peiople on here who dont know any better and would read your bullshit and think nothing mroe of it, so I am being productive by countering your bullshit with "facts" so these people who are "undecided" can make their own conclusions based on your "bullshit" or my "facts".
Anyway, their clickbait worked… they suckered you right in with your confirmation bias seeking. You saw "Tesla" and "sparked fire" and "horrific" and immediately clicked on it.
The only one getting "baited and trolled" here, is you… by the media, to fill their "ad revenue" targets. Well done for adding to the problem and not even trying to be part of the solution…
I am always left amazed at the human psyche that some people would rather be wrong and thought of as a fool then to admit they learned something and changed their views.
The V2X standard has just been announced on the weekend, to be ready before end of the year. If you can afford to wait, I will suggest waiting before committing on any EV purchase.
I personally own a Tesla and going ALL IN on the brand, and have looked into how the V2G setup works with Powershare. The software is just the best out of all other automotive manufacturers, and Tesla is so far ahead that I do not know how any other manufacturers can catch up.
If you do not care about software / tech, I suggest BYD as the battery management system is just as good as Tesla.
I thought Tesla hardware doesn’t yet support any sort of v2X
I believe the hardware is all there, but the software does not allow it.
Tesla is just another car. If you like Tesla, go and buy one. You won’t feel the real pleasure without driving a car you like to buy and drive.
Petrol, diesel, EV or hydrogen are all just fuel types to run your car. You are the one who is going to spend your hard earned money and choice should be only yours.
Quality wise Tesla is no better than any other EV available in market.
My advice: don't buy a new one. Buy a used one at around the 12 month old mark. Let the previous owner take the depreciation hit, and save yourself some cash - this will help with overall savings. You will still get the benefit of most of the original warranty.
Regardless, the major positives with owning an EV (not specifically Tesla) are very low energy and maintenance costs, and the ability to charge at home rather than visiting a servo (a hugely under-rated advantage IMO). Performance and responsiveness is usually quite a bit better than your average car. Plus a quieter and smoother ride in general.
For Tesla cars specifically, the app is very good - the ability to remotely lock, remotely control climate and heating, not needing to have a key at all are all really good. The built-in navigation and infotainment more broadly is best in class. The sound system is quite decent, even in the base model. Sentry mode is pretty handy too.
buying new is a waste of money due to initial depreciation. buy a slightly used one after initial depreciation
You can outdrag any petrol car off the lights….thats about it :P
That's not true unless you have a plaid.
The base model rwd has enough to smoke most everyday performance cars. An AWD turbo might give you a run for its money.
But the long range AWD is quicker and will smoke everything up to supercars
The performance models will be the supercar competitor
owning an EV you save on fuel….
Be careful thinking fuel savings is the reason to go EV. I think it depends on usage. I did the math and found my Honda Jazz uses roughly $3k fuel per year. Over 10 years that's $30k.
Make the following assumptions;
10 years lifecycle of both cars
Free charging via solar
No maintenance on ice
Im spending approx $30k extra to get a new Tesla.
Show me the flaw in my logic.
Show me the flaw in my logic
The obvious flaw is that they're not equivalent cars and equivalent situations. To do a proper comparison, you need to compare the purchase of two new cars; a new Jazz or similar, and a comparable EV - say an MG4.
Oh wow I left that out sorry. In my case its about $7-9k for a used Jazz so im paying approx $20k extra for the Tesla.
Again, not even vaguely comparable and an obviously dumb comparison.
It's cheaper to walk than buy a new Tesla.
You still get to the same destination. Just a little sooner with the Tesla.
Agreed 👍
It's cheaper to walk than buy a new Tesla.
Not if you can't walk.
Agree with you that it will cost more to own a Tesla than a Jazz.
It will also cost more to own a bigger Civic than the smaller Jazz.
There is another flaw- No maintenance on ice. Even a Honda won't make it to 10 years without an oil change or 2.
I concluded that the ice maintenance was offset by the free charging just to make the math simple.
A bit too simple.
Oversimplification makes comparison meaningless.
@figarow: Because you just hand-waved away meaningful numbers. What's the point of doing the comparison if you're just going to ignore details that are relevant but inconvenient to calculate?
If you're only willing to buy a used car at $10k max then an EV of any kind is pretty much out of the question in any case.
If you're only willing to buy a used car at $10k max then an EV of any kind is pretty much out of the question in any case.
My point exactly. Not everyone is as frugal as me i get that.
When Teslas can be had for $35k ill be interested.
@figarow: There are 15 Tesla Model 3's available for sale on Carsales for $35k or less. A couple of them have under 50,000km on the clock.
@klaw81: Thanks for bringing up this important point. You are right but the reason i would avoid a used EV is the battery degradation. Not knowing how the battery was treated and only going on battery stats is too much risk vs reward for me. IC engine wear on the other hand is much easier to predict and even if you get it wrong its $2k vs $10k to replace batteries.
the reason i would avoid a used EV is the battery degradation. Not knowing how the battery was treated and only going on battery stats is too much risk vs reward for me
This is another common mis-perception that needs to die.
The risk is far lower than you think - battery degradation is typically extremely slow, and all EVs have a long battery warranty (typically 8-10 years). This is quickly becoming apparent as EVs age - there are quite a number of 2017 & 2018 Model 3's that are now well beyond 250,000km and still have minimal degradation, retaining 85% of their factory range. Similarly, there are plenty of examples of 2015 Tesla Model S vehicles that have reached 450,000km on the original battery, including vehicles that have been fast-charged their entire life.
A recent UK study found that 97% of all EVs ever delivered still have their original battery - and even that number is badly skewed by the early failure of the Nissan Leaf (which had a well-known design flaw).
Moreover, battery degradation is typically very slow and predictable. The kind of sudden, total battery failure that would require an immediate replacement is incredibly rare. Instead, a slow reduction in total range may make the car gradually less suitable for long trips, but unlikely to have any effect on the average commuter who would simply need to charge every 6th day, instead of every 7th.
@klaw81: Good points, if my battery superstitions are invalid im definitely up for investigating the used EV market at some point in the future when prices drop more.
@figarow: $2k if you get engine wear wrong on an IC engine? That seems like you've just pulled out a number to fix up an old datsun or something… I've been worried about my recently sold BT50 that it would have an engine issue as the talk is having to spend upwards of $10k to swap out engines…
That seems like you've just pulled out a number to fix up an old datsun or something
Absolutely. Major mechanical issues for a modern vehicle start at $2k and a cost of over $10k for major engine or transmission work. I've owned a number of 4-8 year old cars, all with less than 120,000km, all were all diligently serviced by the dealer according to the logbook, and each one of them still had had minor mechanical problems requiring annoyingly expensive repairs. Just replacing the (plastic!) thermostat in my 6 year old Mondeo cost $1800 in parts and labour because it's in such a dumb spot.
The idea that every EV has a time-bomb battery that's a huge and unknowable risk, while ICE drivetrains are all bullet-proof and last for 20 trouble-free years, is an absolute joke.
@figarow: News flash: you can also buy a used EV battery for less than a new one.
Also, a refurb engine for anything bigger than a Barina is going to cost way more than $2k. A colleague's Hilux motor (with no ancillaries) cost him $6k including freight.
@figarow: Imagine you're trying to sell a car and figarow coming around to tyre-kick….
"When Teslas can be had for $35k ill be interested."
"There are 15 Tesla Model 3's available for sale on Carsales for $35k or less. A couple of them have under 50,000km on the clock."
"Not knowing how the battery was treated and only going on battery stats is too much risk vs reward for me"
next thing..
"oh I don't like dark coloured cars after seeing the photos that the car is black"
lol
I don't own an EV as I'm not interested at this stage by you're correct, battery degradation isn't a large issue. It's not like an ICE car that has done 200km over 15 years will have perfect engine health. If anything an EV lifespan will be more predicable and less likely to go bang as it gets older.
Imagine you're trying to sell a car and figarow coming around to tyre-kick….
Nah figarow already did the napkin math and won't be bothering anyone soon 😂
Another thing to consider is the depreciation on Teslas (or EVs in general) caused by newer models with upgraded electronic/hardware.. Eg HW3 might not support FSD (Tesla might upgrade for free if you have already bought FSD but what about others who have a recent purchase without FSD)… In the past, non-EV refreshes have normally been aesthetic in nature with a bigger touch screen here or minor engine updates there that dont substantially change the experience or mileage…
EVs especially Tesla's are evolving so rapidly that just 1 update with battery or hardware (needed to run the latest features eg FSD) might make the car obsolete with no buyers (resulting in massive depreciation) as the car/tech might be obsolete.. Look at new phones.. how many folks are buying 3 - 5 year old mobiles? With Juniper on the horizon and HW4 being rolled out, dont understand why anyone will knowingly buy HW3 knowing that it might not support full FSD (https://electrek.co/2024/10/23/elon-musk-finally-admits-tesl…). I am not sure will there be a market for 5 your old EVs as compared to traditional cars…
For me a new Aldi brand 4k TV will always be better than a Sony/Samsung 1080p TV from 2019 (no matter what price premium was paid when originally bought)… same with EVs.. once hardware/computer in them is old, they are not attractive anymore no mater how good the battery is…
Any Australian who buys on the basis of FSD capability must be completely out of their mind at this point.
+1
you wont get level 5 FSD with just a camera
Aren't they only at level 2 now?
Then whats the point of getting a Tesla if the main tech it promises wont be accessible with the current hardware…
@MaxPower1982: Its elons dream and the masses will follow his dream without questioning it
The camera is good for lane assist, reading speed signs(most of the time), blind spot detection, vandalism, maybe a little more as it has to many problems in certain conditions and it also has nothing to back it up in those conditions.
The new merc (lvl 3 fsd) has lidar, radar, camera, ultrasonic, road moisture sensors
At a price though "subscription service starting at $2500 per year".
https://editorial.pxcrush.net/carsales/general/editorial/mer…
Then whats the point of getting a Tesla
The Model 3 and Model Y are still widely considered to be the benchmark by which all EVs in their class are judged, and that's without considering FSD at all. There are alternative vehicles available, but very few that offer the same level of equipment, performance and tech for a similar price.
Even if FSD were legal here in Australia, it would be an optional extra feature at a very high price that I suspect few would consider paying.
I would say the tech novelty wears out. You will start enjoying the car, driving experience etc long term. Any updates you get is a positive. So comparing it to a phone, not really.
I have rented it for few days and though fun to drive.. the novelty wears off in couple of days (as with all things in life once you have them). Plus if there is no EAP or FSD then its more or less like any other car minus the luxurious elements like leather seats, premium interior look and feel etc..
For me a new Aldi brand 4k TV will always be better than a Sony/Samsung 1080p TV from 2019
Sony had 4K tvs in 2019
I am not sure will there be a market for 5 your old EVs as compared to traditional cars.
This is just silly, and already demonstratively false. There are already plenty of people buying 5 year old EVs.
The value of a car is in it's utility. If it's just as capable of carrying the family to school, the shops and the workplace on a daily basis, and the cost of fuel and maintenance is low, there is no problem. EVs are perfect for taxi and rides hare services too.
The fact that there are plenty of EVs with 250,000km on the clock and they're still working just fine on the original battery with minimal degradation clearly shows they're not a risky bet, nor as disposable as you're suggesting.
Maybe the best with Ev's are buying a 2-3 year old one and that way you lose not much and actually save on fuel costs.
If you can take advantage of the novated lease deals with a second hand one. Then that's probably the best way to go overall.
Fuel, maintenance definitely cheaper.
FBT "savings" for EV special treatment on a novated lease which can offset some of that depreciation hit. May be possible to swing this on a 2nd hand 2022+ car though.
The longer you plan to hold it the more value you will get out of a new car. Just holding for 3 years then selling and eating the depreciation is silly.
Very old (8 yr+) Tesla's that have gone through most of their depreciation can be picked up cheaply. Like all old used luxury cars the market is pretty efficient, what you don't pay upfront you will pay in repairs. Pick your poison - depreciation or repair costs. Somewhere in between might be an optimal solution or dare I say "bargain" (e.g. a well looked after 2 yr old car).
I believe the date for secondhand cars is post 1 July 2022 EVs in order to get the FBT exemption.
I believe a 8yo EV will have less mechanical drive-train problems than a 8yo ICE car, even more so when compared to European luxury cars.
OP, if you can get novated lease, create a calculation for a Tesla Model Y and a Honda CRV, my old car. My calc showed me good savings compared to CRV. It could be the same if you compare to a camry.
Tesla's super charger network is the major benefit compared to other EVs. Regarding depreciation not an issue if you keep the car for long term.
I drove my first EV (BYD Seal) for 3 hours. I was really impressed with its quietness and speed. I used to be critical of EVs, but I would definitely consider buying one now
This is the kind of feedback I've heard from so many people since I bought mine. Lots of people have been somewhere between skeptical and outright hostile, but then they take it for a drive and struggle to find fault with it.
Tesla's have a few unique features that may make them more or less appealing depending on the type of person, but a BYD Seal is very similar to a "normal" sedan and makes the transition very close to seamless.
I test drove a Seal, the drive was ok, but the lack of buttons for the most basic functions would drive me up the wall.
I have a Seal - so curious as to which buttons you miss? Pretty much every button that's "missing" is either one or two screen presses or better yet just use the voice control.
@Cliche Guevara: yeah thats precisely the problem.
2-3 touches vs 1 touch, where you don't need to avert your gaze from driving.
As for voice here is a scenario.
Turning temp on AC down to coldest
Touch based control
Voice control
1. Press button on steering wheel or say 'Hey BYD'
2. Wait for car to listen
3. Say 'Lower temperature to coldest setting'
4. (Assuming it understood you), 'Changing temperature to coldest setting'
5. Temperature now set to coldest setting.
total time- between you saying 'Hey BYD' and changing said temperature ~7-12 seconds
Now do this hundreds if not thousands of times over the course of your ownership……
And don't get me started if you have a strong accent.
Turning temp on AC down to coldest
I don't want to detract from the main thrust of your argument, which I agree is somewhat valid and one of the few gripes I have with the Tesla control scheme - but why would you ever want to change the temperature of the AC down to the coldest setting?
You know that doesn't actually make it colder faster, right?
@klaw81: I have 2 cars with climate control.
1 with temp knob, the other that is controlled via the screen.
In the 15 years that I've owned cars with a temp knob climate control. I reckon I've adjusted the temp once or twice.
21 degrees all year round for me.
You know what shits me? people who have cars with climate control who use it like an old fashion window air cond- either off or full blast air cond.
21 degrees all year round for me.
Exactly - you set the temperature you want, and the car automatically does its thing to make it that temperature. I have mine on 21.5 for most of the year, and only during the coldest 3 months does it change to 23.
It's even better with a car that has driver profiles, because the car resets to your personal temperature, seat position even if somebody else changed it since you last drove.
The irony of complaining about "needing extra steps" when you're unnecessarily doing pointless tasks is pretty funny.
@klaw81: It makes you cooler faster when you are hot and sweaty. Then once body chilled you go back to comfortable low 20's.
It makes you cooler faster when you are hot and sweaty.
No, it does not.
Air conditioning simply does not work that way. The cooling system can only be on of off. It cannot not "add extra cooling" if you give it a lower target temperature. Any perceived improvement is 100% placebo effect.
The only thing setting a lower temperature might do is increase the fan speed to maximum, but if the interior of the car is 45 degrees, the fan will run on the maximum setting regardless of whether the climate control is set to 18 degrees or 22.
@joelmuzz: Noone sets the temp to 25 to cool down. Setting it to 21-23 is for cooling.
It might cool you quicker if you wait for the climate control to ramp down the fan speed as its reached the temp. Most people would turn it back to 21 before it gets to 15 because its starting to feel cold as theyve cooled down.
What ive found with auto climate control is that it rarely points the air where i prefer. Temp is fine, but i typically want feet and face cooled initially when most seem to blast it oht at face only.
@SupeNintendoChalmers: this annoyed me a lot initially too and i didn't use the voice control so it was a lot of effort to make the correct gestures on the screen.
turns out this specific action at least is a 3 finger vertical swipe and horizontal for fan speed
Absolutely. Time and again, the foolproof way of changing most people's hatred towards EV is simply to connect their bum to an EV's driver seat.
Not having to go petrol station to fuel up is a big plus for me. Saves me loads of time.
Preheating and cooling is great for the newborns. and can keep running in a garage without killing anyone.
Don't buy a tesla… Wait for a vehicle with V2g capability
When can we expect v2g to be main stream?
Australian standards were announced on Saturday. Chris Bowen said should be available early next year
That is a game changer
What do you exactly save?
Money.
But that has always been the case.
Second hand vehicles have a reduced price after depreciation.
However, a "cheaper car" might be all you want/need.
Regarding the battery FUD, remember that a dead cheap, ~100Km range EV might be all you "need". If cheap enough, of course.
Renault Zoe
It would be different for each person but for me personally, the main benefit is not having to pay to fill up. I have solar + battery and work from home 3 days a week. During those 3 days I fill up for free on my OVO plan from 11am - 2pm with my standard 7kw Tesla charger I got with my previous model 3. Any other days I can just top up using solar for free. Apart from that, the acceleration is great even on the base model RWD, it's smooth, looks great imo and there are no service fees to worry about apart from having to change tyres.
If you drive a white one, you'll blend in with the other NPCs.
But in all seriousness, drive what you want to drive.
It's a terrible EV. I honestly don't see why you'd buy one currently as there's much better and cheaper options like BYD out there.
What an over-simplified and ignorant comment
We bought a brand new Tesla and as an early adopter we lost a lot of money on depreciation/price reductions. Also, this is our first brand new car so the depreciation was not liked (although expected).
Besides the perks of owning a new car etc., the main pro of owning a new Tesla is knowing that it hasn’t been crashed before and does not have any structural or other (battery or electrical) issues. Carrying my family in a vehicle with batteries under it does have its own inherent risks and I would like to minimise as much of it as I can.
Carrying my family in a vehicle with batteries under it does have its own inherent risks
Its true they have their own risks, but the risk is a lot lower than a petrol car catching on fire.
Lol
I just want the car to drive me to work and home.
When can we get that?
Public transport does that
You may lose $20k-$25k over 3 years of ownership (which isn't much different to any other new car btw) but depending on your financial situation, I saved more than that due to the tax incentives on a federal and state level along with the GST claim.
3 years, should even out to what I "paid"
I don't get the Elon hate. He's just a rich guy, doing what he loves, trying to send people to mars, fully invested into new tech(electric cars,AI) and fully devoted to free speech. I can't see anyone having problems with these things. Does it all just come down to partisan politics? You don't like trump, therefore anyone who supports trump is a nazi?
and fully devoted to free speech
Except he is the absolute opposite of a free speech freedom fighter
lol, do you read the verge when you need to build a PC too?
He is none of what you said he is.
fully devoted to free speech
He claims that, but his actions are pretty contradictory.
He's definitely devoted to his own free speech. But he's pretty clearly happy to swing the ban hammer when it suits him, and many of his bans have been highly partisan.
If you read Elon's tweets over the past 12 months, he's said some pretty horrendous stuff. I don't blame people for disliking him.
People are sheep and believe the mainstream media, just follow the $$$.
Look at those verge posts below, bottom line there is about equal anti-Elon hate on X.
In-fact the Account with the most community noted posts is Elon's!!! Just think about that for a moment, in relation to the people that claim he is against free speech.
He also says he has often said things really stupid and made many many mistakes. How many CEOs are as open as him in relation to mistakes. But not to many CEOs are making an many dumb mistakes..:)
The algorithm is open sourced so view it yourself, the content that was removed breach the Twitter\X content policy, was not removed by Elon. There has been some commercial sensitive content removed by Tesla Lawyers (possibly on his guidance, but that's not related to free speech).
Agreed, many of these instances of twitters global censorship seem to come down to actual laws vs the whims of some politian or random group. Elon gos with the laws of the country and ignores random requests by government officials, which was the very thing wrong with twitter in the first place. Democrats were hand selecting their adversaries to be removed.
It's a fine line and Elon seems to be doing alright, banning illegal content and allowing controversial content to be discussed and fact checked by users with community notes, not by your local random authority dictator wannabe.
Get a byd. The Tesla batteries are made by byd
Get a byd
An EV is so much more than just the battery.
The Tesla batteries are made by byd
Tesla gets batteries from at least 4 suppliers; Panasonic, LG Chem, CATL and BYD. BYD batteries are primarily fitted to European-made Tesla vehicles out of the Berlin factory.
Australian-delivered Tesla vehicles are made in Shanghai, where they primarily use batteries from CATL.
It's about the BMS not the Battery, hence why Tesla always get more range\life out of the same batteries
Unless you drive high kms you won't save big $. You pay more for insurance.
Note: I am not pretending or recommending EVs for EVERYONE.
IMO, people get EVs for the convenience, excitement and enjoyment. It's really difficult to go back once you have driven an EV.
Basically no servicing\brakes last many years. Tyres will wear quicker until you settle down, wear is more due to the acceleration.
Model 3, big difference old vs new due to the refresh. The new 3 is soo much better, suspension, noise and tech wise.
Model Y, minimal difference, used is good value, be mindful a refreshed version will be out soon, likely hit early next year.
Panel gaps
My previous car costs $100 per week on petrol, my Model 3 now costs $16
I also feel less tired when driving because the EV has very little noise and vibration
I have a Triton, Tucson and Model Y. Even after approx 15mths with the Y I still love getting in it every time and the feel of the silent acceleration. Don't claim it suits everyone's needs but it's great for our family. Couldn't care less what anyone else thinks re: the founders political views, etc.
@Loot N Plunder: Of course you can find a tesla fiery crash. Heres a petrol fiery crash:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/two-people-dead-in-car-cra…
How many fiery crashes involving petrol cars compared to EVs?