Has Covid Weakened Our Immune System?

mooodeng on 27/09/2024 - 10:06

Do you feel that after covid your immune system is not what it used to be?

I'm just asking as I've been infected with covid twice back in 2020 and 2021. I've also had 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

I don't usually get colds/flu but ever since covid, I feel I'm getting sick more often and the symptoms are also more severe.

This year I've sick with colds on 3 seperate occasions. My last infection had really bad symptoms and completely knocked me out for a good 5 days. The intensity of symptoms I've had never experienced before, and recovery took way longer than when I did get colds before covid.

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  • Gdsamp on 27/09/2024 - 10:10
    +6

    SYDNEY VIRUS….

    • ihfree on 27/09/2024 - 13:18
      +8

      *Gladys virus

      • payless69 on 27/09/2024 - 13:41

        Gerry virus?

      • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 12:00
        +9

        Well she certainly unleashed it en masse on the country via Ruby Princess, then she sed rank negligence to infect Newmarch House while infected aged care staff were allowed to work in multiple facilities. She should have been sent to jail for both of those deliberate decisons. She ignored the aged care situation the entire time as people lost their loved ones. Disgusting.One of the most overrated ,over-protected people in the western world.

        • serpserpserp on 29/09/2024 - 07:19

          She ignored the aged care situation

          So did the federal government, it is their jurisdiction. St Basil's in Victoria was another horror show. No one listening to the people on the ground, no one wanting to put resources into a response, trying to ignore things to not get politically tarnished.

          Imagine how much freedom we could have had and taxpayer money we would have saved (not to even mentioned the lives saved) if we had just done Fortress Australia early enough and right.

          In saying the above, I do also completely get how it was fumbled. Leadership at every level in this country has so much personal ego attached to it. Hard to make the right decisions when everyone is telling you, you are wrong and you get so personally wounded by it.

          • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 08:53
            -1

            @serpserpserp: There's a new book out that specifically discusses the covid pandemic response and things to do and not to do next time.(based on the responses last time) . It notes that hindsight is a wonderful thing and the knowledge at the time was limited. Noted.However Berjiklian had all the info in front of her to stop the spread, avoid deaths and limit infections over those 2 massive incidents. She (SHE) made decisions with days of evidence in her face and still put ppl in harms way unnecessarily.
            St Basil VIC may be be the same scenario, but a shipload of live infections into our biggest city and a conveyor belt on infections across a cities aged care cluster is totally negligent to the point of prosecution IMHO.

    • supersabroso on 30/09/2024 - 10:54

      Definitely not a Sydney virus. However, I don't feel it at all, my immune system is the same as before. No issues here and I got COVID at least once if not twice that I know of. I only got 2x shots to be able to work though, I refused to get the boosters as they were identical to the original vaccines and did not protect against the new strains so there was no point. I think the placebo effect is strong, people are happy to blame anyone else for any issue in their life. Especially if it comes with law suits and they can get free money out of it.

    • frewer on 30/09/2024 - 15:14
      +2

      Once this bill passed with minimal debate. I will report you ALL to the nearest ACMA's portal and you can go to jail for causing "serious harm" "to the operation or integrity of a Commonwealth". Long live the Red Army.

      • mrdean on 02/10/2024 - 18:22
        +2

        Amazing how brazen & upfront they are about it. I suppose the fluoridation over the last 50 years has done its job……

  • ESEMCE on 27/09/2024 - 10:15
    +32

    Sounds like you may have had Influenza which has always knocked people flat for a week or more.

    It's impossible to say, we're also 4 years older, so yeah, I'd expect to see some decline in rebounding capability.

    • foxmulder on 27/09/2024 - 10:29

      This. You will need flu shot for this.

        • Dr Ginger on 29/09/2024 - 15:51
          +8

          Flucelvax ® Quad
          Active ingredients:
          Each 0.5 mL contains 15 micrograms of influenza virus fragments from each of the following types of influenza virus:
          • A/Wisconsin/67/2022 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus
          • A/Massachusetts/18/2022 (H3N2)–like strain
          • B/Austria/1359417/2021-like strain
          • B/Phuket/3073/2013–like strain
          These strains have been recommended by the Australian Influenza Vaccine Committee for the 2024 Southern Hemisphere winter.

          Other ingredients:
          Sodium chloride,
          Potassium chloride,
          Magnesium chloride hexahydrate,
          Dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate,
          Monobasic potassium phosphate,
          Water for injections

          I randomly selected a flu vaccine from the TGA, linked from health.gov.au
          https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/ebs/picmi/picmirepository.nsf/pdf…

          Could you help me understand which ingredients I should research in more detail? I checked a few of them and all seem to be well tolerated in much higher doses than would be found in the 0.5ml of vaccine administered.

          • mrdean on 29/09/2024 - 16:09
            -5

            @Dr Ginger:

            Could you help me understand which ingredients I should research in more detail?

            From the 2020 product info sheet.

            "Flucelvax ® Quad is prepared in MDCK cells, adapted to grow freely in suspension in culture medium. The virus is inactivated with ß-propiolactone, disrupted by the detergent cetyltrimethylammonium bromide and purified through several process steps. Therefore
            Flucelvax ® Quad may contain traces of propiolactone, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide,and polysorbate 80 (refer to Section 4.3 CONTRAINDICATIONS). Eggs are not used in the manufacturing process, therefore, Flucelvax ® Quad does not contain egg proteins."

            Just in case you aren't aware, "MDCK" is a kidney cell line from dogs. Flucelvax has not been evaluated for genotoxic potential, or carcinogenic potential. Neither has it been assessed in clinical trials in regards to pregnancy.

            Just in case you are interested, the 2000 Simpsonwood conference transcripts on vaccine safety is here:
            https://archive.org/details/TheSimpsonwoodDocuments

            • Dr Ginger on 29/09/2024 - 16:35
              +15

              @mrdean:

              "MDCK" is a kidney cell line from dogs.

              What is wrong with this? Caffeine is a insecticide. Yogurt is bacteria growing in milk. Cyanide is found in bitter almonds. The source of a substance says nothing of its toxicity in humans.

              Flucelvax has not been evaluated for genotoxic potential, or carcinogenic potential.

              This is usually because cancer cannot be found as a result of interventions like this for decades, so the research usually happens post-hoc after initial research to show that there is no known mechanism for genotoxic potential.

              There are also lots of things that we interact with on a daily basis the have been found to have carcinogenic potential. Grilled meat, car exhausts, first (& second) hand smoke, and alcohol. But we still chose to interact with them as we have made a decision that the benefit out weights the potential risk.

              Neither has it been assessed in clinical trials in regards to pregnancy.

              I guess if I am pregnant I should check with a medical professional before taking a vaccine if I am pregnant

              Just in case you are interested, the 2000 Simpsonwood conference transcripts on vaccine safety is here: https://archive.org/details/TheSimpsonwoodDocuments

              This was a conference is regards to the use of thimerosol in vaccines. This has not been used in the majority of vaccines in the 1st world since 2001. There has been no observed drop in the rate of neurological problems in children since the removal of thimerosol.

              How is a document relating to a 2 decade old conference on a removed ingredient relevant?

                • Dr Ginger on 29/09/2024 - 16:51
                  +9

                  @mrdean:

                  The virus is inactivated with ß-propiolactone

                  But it is not an ingredient that appears in a high enough amount to even list as a trace amount. If water passes through a filter to you list activated carbon and resin as ingredients if they are untraceable in the final product?

                  Repeat after me, doc. "The dose makes the poison."

                  This is my point. The dose of anything in 0.5ml taken once a year has to be very toxic to cause significant effects.

                  • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 20:39
                    +1

                    @Dr Ginger: His real name is Mr Bean. A lost cause.The teddy bear has more intelligence.

                • arkie0 on 30/09/2024 - 18:55

                  @mrdean: lol, worst spanking I've seen in a while

              • frewer on 30/09/2024 - 15:17

                @Dr Ginger:

                What is wrong with this?

                Doses make the poison, plus it's injected directly into the blood stream

                • Dr Ginger on 30/09/2024 - 17:13

                  @frewer: I asked "what is wrong with this" in regards to the "dog kidney cells". The cells are not directly injected into the blood stream. The virus is grown in the cells, then processed.

                  I put a list of the ingredients of what is injected above. What from that list is in a high enough dose to make it poison?

                  • mrdean on 30/09/2024 - 17:59

                    @Dr Ginger:

                    The virus is grown in the cells, then processed.

                    "Our common vaccines are produced in incubators containing monkey, chicken or human cells.
                    The vaccines we inject are filtered from fluids in these incubators. As certain viruses are wanted in the vaccines, no particles of the same size or smaller can be filtered out. There thus remain in the common vaccines numerous other viruses, foreign proteins, residual segments of DNA and RNA,
                    toxins, enzymes and possibly prions and oncogenes. It has proved impossible to remove these contaminants. This is well known to the regulatory authorities, greatly concerns many of their experts, but these very serious concerns are not communicated to the public."

                    The above is what real investigative journalism uncovers. It is unfortunate that none of it made it to the mainstream. Jan/Janine Roberts is dead (she broke the "Blood Diamond" story), the last thing she worked on were two books on vaccines/germ theory.

                    https://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Danger-Laden-…

                  • frewer on 02/10/2024 - 16:37

                    @Dr Ginger:

                    What from that list is in a high enough dose to make it poison?

                    Idk, it's up to each individual to find that out… depend on the person's health,history,genetic, etc. People died from drinking too much water shrug

          • AussieDolphin on 29/09/2024 - 19:45
            -6

            @Dr Ginger: Research all the ingredients then you tell me if they should be in the human body regardless of the quantity? Research the side effects too and what you can do to strengthen your immune system. Never again will I get a flu injection!

            • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 20:44
              +5

              @AussieDolphin: If you (and the rest of ant vax wonderland) eat commercially grown food from anywhere other than your pristine backyard mate. I have seriously, seriously bad news for you. This rabbit warren of what goes into a human body, you're choosing to go down has tunnels going everywhere, and most if your panic button is this sensitive, will give you explosive dysentery from fear alone. Then we have the plastic paints and chemical fumes surrounding us.Then the air.The clothing. Each others contagious diseases.

              • mrdean on 30/09/2024 - 19:55
                +1

                @Protractor:

                from fear alone.

                We've dropped the fear, because we're informed.

            • Ughhh on 29/09/2024 - 21:12
              +1

              @AussieDolphin:

              regardless of the quantity

              Did you know that the air is made up of ~80% nitrogen! Nitrogen can cause asphyxiation, you better stop breathing or purchase bags/bottles of air from some naturopath store.

  • KaTst3R on 27/09/2024 - 10:15
    +9

    Either that or the common cold viruses are mutating and getting stronger.

      • gromit on 28/09/2024 - 08:39
        +30

        way to completely not understand statistics.

        • rumblytangara on 28/09/2024 - 10:57
          +20

          100% on brand though. Most consistently ironic username on the forum irrespective of the topic.

          • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 12:03
            +8

            @rumblytangara: He may think he knows, but I don't think he can spell.There's more faulty deductions there, than on a first year carpentry apprentices very first tax return.

        • AussieDolphin on 28/09/2024 - 22:35
          -1

          Where do you get your statistics from? Please don’t say the news.

      • Gareth on 28/09/2024 - 09:35
        +22

        In other news, statistics show that the more fire-fighters attend a fire, the more damage is done.

        • bigticket on 30/09/2024 - 10:34

          And in other news, statistics show that fire fighters attend the scene after the fire has started and the higher the number of fire fighters, the more damage is done.
          What does logic suggest?
          JP

      • mattyman on 28/09/2024 - 10:19
        +18

        In other news , 100% of dead people drank water.

        • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 12:04
          +8

          BREAKING,
          85% of meth heads were breast fed, the rest were bottle fed. Milk leads to meth addiction

        • JediJan on 28/09/2024 - 14:47
          +1

          "Gold" award for the day.

          At least your statistic is a proven fact lol.

      • chichi on 28/09/2024 - 10:28
        +2

        BS

      • MrFrugalSpend on 28/09/2024 - 11:12
        +1

        Gee, I wonder if it would take a genius to work out that old people with health conditions that were most at risk of health complications were the ones given / wanting to take the most shots….

      • LFO on 28/09/2024 - 20:04

        Man, I admire your braveness to bring facts into a clearly dogmatic, aggressive and intolerant forum.

        There is hope after all.

      • SillySorjai on 28/09/2024 - 20:17
        +1

        Lol!
        better get a username change bud

        HeWhoNotKnows

      • AussieDolphin on 28/09/2024 - 22:20
        -1

        It’s clear the majority still have no idea. Because the news didn’t say it’s not true.

      • viper8548 on 29/09/2024 - 15:30
        +1

        And there were practically none in hospital with COVID-19 who had not been vaccinated.

        Probably no longer breathing

      • supersabroso on 30/09/2024 - 11:23

        Do you know what the death rate was before vaccines vs after vaccines? It was in the millions, we were getting a kill rate of like 3-4%. After the vaccine, the death rate dropped by about 12x. We all know what happens when global pandemics like polio, the Bubonic plague, small pox & the Spanish plague were left to run unchecked (100 million+ dead). Thank your lucky stars for vaccines as you/at least one of your family members would probably have died without it regardless of whether you took the vaccine or not. The fact is, they stop the spread/reduce the severity when it is caught. Just because we're not smart enough to make a magical cure all for 100.00% of the world's population doesn't mean it doesn't work.

      • greatlamp on 01/10/2024 - 01:14

        Old people with poor health get more shots and are likely to be hospitalised. Amazing.

        This isn't newsworthy. You are being trolled.

    • grasstown on 28/09/2024 - 16:10
      +1

      That doesn’t explain why the unvaxxed have better immunities.

      • LFO on 28/09/2024 - 20:08
        +3

        A fluke.
        A misinterpretation of what a better immunity is.
        Uncorroborated cases only.
        And that's all.

        Science said so.

      • serpserpserp on 29/09/2024 - 07:22
        +3

        Please link me your peer reviewed study on this, sounds interesting.

        • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 20:46
          +1

          It'd be lucky to be 'beer' reviewed.It wouldn't pass my pub test.

      • supersabroso on 30/09/2024 - 11:27
        -1

        The unvaxxed have probably have better immunities because they have been exposed to more diseases. However, they have also died from nasty diseases that the vaxxed wouldn't have. So if you're alive and not crippled by a virus, good for you. The rest of us prefer to deal with minor colds rather than be bed ridden, crippled or dead. I take the flu vaccine every year and my immunity is top notch. I haven't taken a single day of sick leave for 4 years.

        • LFO on 02/10/2024 - 20:33

          I haven't taken a single day of sick leave for 4 years.

          I am truly sorry about that …

        • Vasilly6 on 11/10/2024 - 09:37
          +1

          Supersabroso, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

          • KSMLJ on 11/10/2024 - 15:40

            @Vasilly6: I think what he is trying to say is 'What doesn't kill you makes you stronger'. I think.

      • greatlamp on 01/10/2024 - 01:18

        Another riddle!

        People who seek out a vaccine voluntarily generally have a good reason to… like being old and frail and prone to illness.

        Did the peer reviewed study you quoted control for any of those factors? If not why are you drawing a conclusion that the authors themselves did not?

  • timthetoolman on 27/09/2024 - 10:20
    +34

    I used to get colds every month for the last 13 years.
    I've had 3 covid shots and haven't been sick since.
    Does covid strengthen our immune system?

    • djones145 on 27/09/2024 - 10:42
      +15

      no we did a study and sammyq has spoken so yes it has weakened our immunity

      case closed

  • altomic on 27/09/2024 - 10:22
    +29

    I haven't been hit by a car since having COVID and the Covid Vaccines……causation or correlation ?

    • ihfree on 27/09/2024 - 13:20
      +18

      5G lets you communicate directly with the cars collision avoidance system

      • JediJan on 28/09/2024 - 14:51

        But also makes you infertile! 🤣

        Joke … that was another conspiracy theory making the rounds about the same time as the Covid ones!

        • rumblytangara on 28/09/2024 - 16:03
          +6

          But also makes you infertile infantile!

          FTFY. Totally applicable to a couple of posters in this thread.

        • Alice McGregor on 03/10/2024 - 12:39
          -1

          I haven't had a single pregnancy since I was vaccinated.

          Confirmed for making you infertile

          • Ughhh on 03/10/2024 - 14:48

            @Alice McGregor: I fell pregs a couple months after vaxxing.

            Confirmed you can get pregnant.

      • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 18:55
        +1

        There will come a time when all cars have crash avoidance systems.
        And some moron will come along and claim you get 5% more battery life by disabling it (here's how), and then we'll go to the worst case scenario of cars operating assuming there are CAS in place but some dipshit doesn't have theirs enabled.
        So maybe we should disseminate the CAS into people's bloodstreams.

  • Protractor on 27/09/2024 - 10:22
    +8

    More humans + more mutating viruses = more virus events per person. It's here to stay, and grow, so long as we keep pumping out hosts for viruses.
    Your DNA, overall health and immune system will of course play into it.

    (enter the upside down / inside out, anti-vax cookers blaming vaccinations)

    • TrumpisKing on 28/09/2024 - 11:18
      -1

      Lol sure

    • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 18:57

      It's less a function of more people, and more urbanised people with greater migration (especially for tourism).

  • Protractor on 27/09/2024 - 10:25
    +9

    If you're WFH and get sick, do you have to go to your real workplace until you recover?

    • CheapandUsed on 27/09/2024 - 10:35
      +9

      Honestly sounds like a good idea. Office days tend to halve the amount of work that can get done.

    • Name on 30/09/2024 - 07:51

      I used to go into work when I was sick so I could get a break from my kids.

  • JIMB0 on 27/09/2024 - 10:32
    -1

    Do you feel that after covid your immune system is not what it used to be?

    Yes, mine seems to be much better. I hardly get sick anymore, even with all the people coughing and sneezing on public transport. Hats off to the vaccine.

    • EightImmortals on 27/09/2024 - 11:15
      +1

      "Correlation does not prove causation"

      • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:25
        +6

        except in the lala land of cookers.

        • JIMB0 on 28/09/2024 - 11:49
          +6

          There's a few cookers on this thread.

          • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:50
            +1

            @JIMB0: They always seem to be late.Very rude.

            (If any of them are sov cits they really shouldn't be here on a public forum licensed by 'the man'.)

  • Matrix Attack on 27/09/2024 - 10:34
    -5

    I never get sick anymore.

    You should get your IgG4 levels tested. Some people have a bad reaction to thing we can't talk about.

    For most people getting the thing once a year is fine, but I still see people getting boosted every 3-6 months… Not exactly the safest thing to do in light of recent scientific studies…

    • Gdsamp on 27/09/2024 - 10:42
      +14

      lgG4

      Not as revolutionary as the LG G3 was…

      • CrispyChrispy on 27/09/2024 - 13:41
        +9

        The G6 was the real step up, one of the first phones with that tall 18:9 aspect ratio - shame my mobo overheated and died within the first year of use. Rear-mounted fingerprint sensors are goated.

        But also a step back with the non-removable battery 🥲

      • Jimothy Wongingtons on 27/09/2024 - 15:45
        +4

        Underrated comment

      • devize on 27/09/2024 - 17:38
        +7

        Bootlooping LG G4 was the goat

      • S Baldrick on 28/09/2024 - 12:08
        +4

        G2 was the peak IMO, ergonomics were perfect and the chipset was matched well with the screen

    • Protractor on 27/09/2024 - 11:58
      -1

      You should have your food tested. Then you shift your focus to where it really mattered.

    • TrumpisKing on 28/09/2024 - 11:18
      +1

      Facts 💯

    • JediJan on 28/09/2024 - 15:00
      +2

      I classify as an "at risk" individual and GP recommended 7 shots so far, which I happily complied with. Caught Covid after first 2 shots which was not a good experience, but I got through with Prednisone that was marvellous and stopped the cough reflex to help me breathe. I did not go to hospital as was more concerned about catching Flu or RSV there.

      Now advised once a year Covid booster, same as Flu shot, is recommended. Not had any adverse effects from any of these vaccines.

      Never had Flu and years since catching a cold. I take vitamin D daily, which is supposed to help your immune system before, during and after any of these.

  • GordonD on 27/09/2024 - 10:46
    +6

    During the COVID pandemic period the change in behaviour resulted in people not being exposed as much to the common viruses. Which resulted in immunity to them fading. Now people are back to their pre-COVID behaviour those common viruses are back in circulation, with mutations, and immunity to them is weaker, and having to be re-established the hard way, by catching them.

    • Alley Cat on 27/09/2024 - 15:30
      +2

      Ever heard of T-cells?

      • GordonD on 28/09/2024 - 07:33
        +3

        T-cells? I know how much bigger a D-cell is than a C-cell, and a C-cell is than an A-cell, so a T-cell must be huge! Are they the ones Tesla uses in its big batteries?

        • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 19:06
          +1

          It's the part of the immune system that activates to turn you into a zombie. /s

          In seriousness it forms the part of the immune system which activates the immuno response.
          Your body doesn't just endlessly produce "anti-bodies" on the off chance that you'll get infected by something. Anti-bodies are disease-specific and are produced as a result of ongoing infection. The T-cells are responsible for determining if an infection is occurring and what needs to be produced.

          • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 10:19

            @smalltime0: Good Explanation.

          • mrdean on 29/09/2024 - 10:24
            -1

            @smalltime0:

            In seriousness it forms the part of the immune system which activates the immuno response.

            You know, there is such a thing as the circulatory system (blood vessels), nervous system (nerve fibers), skeletal system (bones), lymph system (nodes), digestive system (guts), all of which can be identified physically, say for example in surgery, or via anatomical dissection.

            Can the same be said for the "immune system"? If not, then is it just a construct built to attempt to explain various observed effects?

            • smalltime0 on 29/09/2024 - 21:53
              +2

              @mrdean: Not sure what point you're trying to make.
              You can isolate and identify T-cells, their origin and what they do. They form part of a "system" that we call "the immune system" since they combine various parts to make an identifiable system working in concert.

              People don't get sick by absorbing miasma and then get better by applying the correct vapours. If that's what you're claiming.

            • greatlamp on 01/10/2024 - 01:31

              @mrdean: Taking it a bit too far this time aren't you? Trolling shouldn't be so obvious.

    • TrumpisKing on 28/09/2024 - 11:17
      +6

      It's been 5 years since covid started. Surely you can't keep blaming that forever lol

      • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:27
        -1

        Look a seagull on a chip.

      • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 19:07

        Governments and companies are, SO I CAN TOO

      • Techie4066 on 01/10/2024 - 20:41

        Lockdowns ended 3 years ago, restrictions were gradually wound back into 2022. It's still relevant.

  • Benoffie on 27/09/2024 - 11:28
    +9

    RSV, Influenza A, Noro and Covid are all hitting hard atm. Out of all of them, Covid is the least impactful.

    More importantly is things like - no flu vax, poor hygiene, closed quarters, refusing to stay home - you know, all the standards.

    Source - me. Teacher. School of 300 had 100+ out for over a month. Got RSV, parents refusing to keep students home. You know, the normal stuff that happens every year in Term 3.

    • Protractor on 27/09/2024 - 11:38
      +5

      Parents don't want sick kids at home when they're WFH, that's what schools incubators are for.

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