Has Covid Weakened Our Immune System?

mooodeng on 27/09/2024 - 10:06

Do you feel that after covid your immune system is not what it used to be?

I'm just asking as I've been infected with covid twice back in 2020 and 2021. I've also had 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

I don't usually get colds/flu but ever since covid, I feel I'm getting sick more often and the symptoms are also more severe.

This year I've sick with colds on 3 seperate occasions. My last infection had really bad symptoms and completely knocked me out for a good 5 days. The intensity of symptoms I've had never experienced before, and recovery took way longer than when I did get colds before covid.

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Comments

    • djsweet on 27/09/2024 - 11:38
      +1

      There is a lot of pressure to send kids to school when they are sick. Might depend on your state, but if your kid misses more than 2 weeks in a term they get categorised as a habitual non-attender and the parents get a talking to by the school, maybe even reported to the authorities (not sure). But being a teacher you would know this. Then if you are a dual income family there is a lot of pressure from work places for you to actually be at work, which you can't do with kids being home sick. You only get 10 days sick leave a year…

      • ESEMCE on 27/09/2024 - 12:37
        +4

        ^100% our experience.

        Tried to do the right thing, by keeping kids home even with minor sniffles.
        Got a talking to about poor attendance, eyebrows raised, we shrugged and happily returned to standard pre-covid practices of "if the kid isn't too bad, send them"

      • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 19:10

        There was an ABC article this week praising a kid for 100% attendance from 6-graduation. In reality that's bad, because even genuine sick days are marked against a perfect attendance. Which, you know, means the kid being at school whilst sick.

        Paige is among a special cohort of students in NSW who have not missed a day of high school. They say they've never got too sick to not attend classes.

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-25/year-12-finishers-ach…

        You know, normal things to encourage. Thanks ABC

  • neoleo on 27/09/2024 - 11:55
    -5

    Cold? Covid symptoms?

    For me, using mouthwash like Listerine in the morning and night usually makes me feel better. Also wear winter clothing especially at night as it is still cold at night until summer arrive.

    I usually take a shower in the morning with warm water in the beginning, then cool water in the end. After that, I feel warmer. Not all people take a shower in the morning, lol. That's why people feel colder if not taking a shower in the morning.

    I took a flu shot last year, but not this year. Also 3 doses of covid vaccines previously.

  • ihbh on 27/09/2024 - 12:18

    What's your fitness level like? VO2 Max, RHR?

    We got Covid for the first time earlier this year (second time for one of the kids). We recovered pretty quickly.

    This year the kids got the flu vax, but we didn't. No one's caught the flu or colds in the family over the winter despite a lot of the kid's friends and their family getting something severe. Someone could have gotten something but they get over it in a day or two.

    Family doesn't normally get sick much.

    • smalltime0 on 28/09/2024 - 19:13
      +1

      VO2 Max, RHR

      These are definitely normal measures that people definitely have access to.

      • ihbh on 28/09/2024 - 20:00

        Estimates of VO2 Max; just about every smart watch with health stats will have RHR.

        • smalltime0 on 29/09/2024 - 21:54
          +1

          The VO2 measurement is wildly inaccurate, and the RHR is very dependent on the contact the smart watch has to your wrist.

          • ihbh on 30/09/2024 - 11:10
            -1

            @smalltime0: I don't know what watch you're using, but if you're using say a Garmin watch, it's not wildly inaccurate and the change vs baseline is more important anyway - improving or declining.

            I don't understand the contact issues - must be the watch you're wearing. I don't have experience with no brand watches. If you want to validate, wear a strap and compare.

  • Cluster on 27/09/2024 - 12:29
    +3

    After I had a bad bout of COVID in mid 2022 I was sick almost continuously for three months afterwards. One infection after another, including persistent chest infections that I rarely get. The GP just asked 'have you had COVID recently?' and when I said yes, he said there's some evidence that COVID weakens the immune system, at least for a while.

    Maybe you're more affected by it than other people? Or maybe you've just been unlucky to encounter more sick people and catch the infection? I see quite a few sick people about in stores and at work, including ones coughing and sneezing out in the open. We've lost all the hard earned lessons from 2020/2021, like staying home if you're sick. One employee at my workplace turned up sick and got four other people sick, including the boss. We were all off work for a week. She was not very popular after that I can tell you.

    • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 10:23
      -1

      We've lost all the hard earned lessons from 2020/2021, like staying home if you're sick.

      There were other lessons too, like washing your hands often, wearing a N95 mask, standing 1.5 metres apart.

  • garetz on 27/09/2024 - 12:36

    If you want to learn about natural immunity I recommend reading Immune: The Bestselling Book From Kurzgesag

    • ESEMCE on 27/09/2024 - 12:40
      +4

      Had to check that was actually the title…. and it is!!

      Almost like Bakeries proclaiming "the best insert bakery specialty item in Australia"

    • Protractor on 27/09/2024 - 12:41

      If you want to master it, get off social media and MSM dribble.

  • Baysew on 27/09/2024 - 12:48
    +3

    Reading the plethora of Covid related threads has certainly wearied me.

  • Sal in SA on 27/09/2024 - 12:51

    All sounds horrible..
    So far neither of us have had covid at all.

    • JediJan on 28/09/2024 - 15:15

      May just be you are both fortunately asymptomatic. My son was but still passed Covid on to me. This was during the time you had to isolate at home for a week if you caught it, so I rang him to leave work and PCR test too.

  • justworld on 27/09/2024 - 13:30

    Have had covid 3 times. Each time it was like a mild cold. Great excuse to get out of work in 2021 though.

  • ricadam on 27/09/2024 - 13:33

    Probably, yes.

    Next question.

  • Clickbait on 27/09/2024 - 13:41
    +8

    Google the Former Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nick Coatsworth, appearing at Albanese Hearings into his Misinfiormation Bill, and saying it needed to be abandoned completely.
    This week, he said he had been promoting information to the public that was based on false infromation.from the bureaucracy.
    It's it hard to find anything about it in the MSM, although it may have been their opportunity to claim innocence.
    He ultimately resigned

    • altomic on 27/09/2024 - 15:27
      +3

      twice you have misspelt "information"

      • Clickbait on 27/09/2024 - 16:21
        +1

        Correct, but I also spelt it correctly.
        Does this not demonstrate you own inability to process information outside you your own limitations.
        Coatsworth himself said "Let's teach our kids critical thought and how to question and debate, not how to dismiss or reject other's opinions or ideas with random accusations"
        So I challenge you to explain why you never thought that maytbe I can spell but not type.

        • altomic on 27/09/2024 - 20:16
          +3

          mate, just pick up your game.

          • KSMLJ on 28/09/2024 - 13:52
            +1

            @altomic: His username checks out, got you to click!

    • SpainKing on 28/09/2024 - 09:44
      +3

      I googled it. Now am I meant to click on his tweet, the Sky News article, or the Daily Mail one?

      • altomic on 28/09/2024 - 11:23
        +3

        yes

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:29
      -1

      Missed out on the main gig. Been bitter ever since. Another 'I found my version in the reo mirror' opportunist

  • Meho2026 on 27/09/2024 - 15:34
    +9

    Yes, it is possible the covid vaccines impaired our general immunity, articles like this explain how it could occur https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152…

    • jaypeee on 29/09/2024 - 07:28
      +2

      Had to scroll waaayyyy too far to find someone with a reasonable response backed with actual science 👏🏼

        • Ughhh on 29/09/2024 - 11:13

          Interesting.

          Immunological dysfunction persists for 8 months following initial mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection

          Note that your link is about Covid-19, not about vaccines. Thank you for sharing how the Covid virus can impair immunity.

  • Alley Cat on 27/09/2024 - 15:35
    +1

    If you get rid of the ROS in your system from being sick from covid, your body should go back to where it was pre-covid. It’s simply overloaded with stuff like an overweight jockey on a race horse.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 27/09/2024 - 16:34
    +4

    Hows your diet? Do you work from home? Are you active?

  • JimmyF on 27/09/2024 - 16:45
    -1

    Has Covid Weakened Our Immune System?

    No

  • Ghost47 on 27/09/2024 - 17:10
    +2

    Are you eating enough fruit and veg to boost your immune system? Vitamin C and D for instance are important to help your immune system fight off any infections.

    I've never had COVID so can't speak from experience.

  • Miami Mall Alien on 27/09/2024 - 17:27
    +7

    I've also had 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

    Well I'm sure that's just a negligible coincidence that has zero correlation to your overall decline in immune system function that began right around the exact same time that you received those "vaccine" doses. Nothing to see here. Move along citizen.

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:31
      +1

      He also increased his time in front of the screen, drank more milk, and jacked off more. Pick a lane?

  • stickingly on 27/09/2024 - 17:47
    +2

    Same as before, I pretty much never get colds, but had covid twice and had 5 vaxes.

    But since COVID I find I am much more conscious of avoiding touching people and breathing in their fumes, as well as washing hands etc etc

    • AussieDolphin on 28/09/2024 - 22:23
      +2

      If you’re still getting Covid why do you keep getting the vaccine? It clearly doesn’t work.

      • stickingly on 30/09/2024 - 08:46

        The first time I had it was before vaccination and I was sick in bed for 2 weeks and took another 2 months before I was back to 100%. This was during lockdown / mask wearing etc

        The second time more than a year or 2 later later and vaccinations I had nothing more than a light sniffle for a few days. This was whilst back to living normal life, taking public transport (Inclding flights) and being exposed constantly

        Anyone who has paid any attention knows that the vaccination is not 100% protection against getting covid, but greatly minimises the risk and impact.

        • AussieDolphin on 30/09/2024 - 08:55
          -1

          I’m glad you’re on the mend. Your last statement is not true. That’s what the news said and probably your doctor. The data doesn’t lie. Up to you if you wish to explore the rabbit hole. I was oblivious for a long time then I did and everything changed.

          • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 13:42
            -2

            @AussieDolphin: You don't know what you're talking about.

            • AussieDolphin on 30/09/2024 - 19:30

              @Ughhh: Yes I do for a fact. The data is crystal clear.

              • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 20:27
                -2

                @AussieDolphin: You don't how to interpret data. You're just parroting whoevers makes you feel like a victim.

                • AussieDolphin on 30/09/2024 - 22:06
                  -1

                  @Ughhh: I’m not a victim of the lie. No buyers remorse for me thanks.

        • mrdean on 30/09/2024 - 14:59
          +2

          The second time more than a year or 2 later later and vaccinations I had nothing more than a light sniffle for a few days. This was whilst back to living normal life, taking public transport (Inclding flights) and being exposed constantly.

          I've been sick 4 times since late 2022. The first 2 times were about a year apart. Very sick for 2 days each time, then took about 3-5 days to fully recover.

          Third & fourth times this year. Both times this year were very mild in comparison to the first two, although I did take some homeopathic remedies very early on.

          No jabs, & have never been tested so I can't confirm, but suspect it was covid, as I share a house with others who had both covid & the jabs prior to my first bout of illness. And it was unlike anything I'd experienced before, symptom wise.

          • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 20:43

            @mrdean: How is that possible when you're not vaxxed, covid is fake/nothing serious and you're doing everything right health wise ie eating right etc.

            • mrdean on 30/09/2024 - 20:48
              +2

              @Ughhh:

              How is that possible

              Probably because "covid" was the cover used to unleash a bioweapon upon humanity.

              • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 20:52
                -1

                @mrdean: You serious or joking?

                No other reasons?

                • mrdean on 01/10/2024 - 15:20
                  +1

                  @Ughhh:

                  You serious or joking?

                  I'm about as serious as a 10,000 foot tsunami.

                  I wasn't seriously ill, otherwise I would have gone to hospital. Whether they would of accepted me is another story.
                  First 2 bouts, I had headaches, lethargy, didn't want to move from bed for 2 days, lost all appetite, fever. However, I never lost smell or taste, I never struggled to breathe, or had chest pain, was never in fear that I wouldn't get better. I was able to ride it out, whatever it was.

                  I never said people do not get sick. Everyone will respond differently. What I question is the assumptions & conclusions people make (& are told from on high) as to the reasons, WHY they've gotten sick. No doubt you'd be aware, I'm totally skeptical of the explanations offered by most. I think their conclusions are most likely incorrect.

                  • Ughhh on 01/10/2024 - 21:23

                    @mrdean:

                    I never said people do not get sick.

                    Except when people say theyre sick, you always try to blame it on the vaccines. You're looking for confirmation bias.

                    What I question is the assumptions & conclusions people make (& are told from on high) as to the reasons, WHY they've gotten sick

                    As before. WHY were you sick? Given covid is fake/nothing serious and you're doing everything right health wise ie eating right, not drinking fluoride water etc etc

  • foxmulder on 27/09/2024 - 17:49
    +1

    I got bad flu twice last year. It was bad that it lasted few days. I suspected I got them from public transport - I didn't use much public transport, but whenever I took one I brought home virus too. A lot of people who coughs and sneeze and look sick doesn't use mask at all. Same with on flights - luckily this one I insisted on using mask for the duration of the flights.

  • Ghost47 on 27/09/2024 - 20:31
    +2

    Here's an interesting article you might want to read OP.

    • Clickbait on 27/09/2024 - 22:16
      +3

      Good link
      ncbi.nlm.nih.gov is a good balanced site but possibly a bit challenging for the herd

      "While vaccine mandates and draconian lockdowns have caused untold amounts of harm and failed to control the pandemic, questions must be asked about why governments have been so unwilling to embrace measures which could have rapidly and inexpensively simultaneously improved the health of nations and bolstered their defences against COVID-19."
      Riddle me this. When a pandemic usually lasts for a season/year, the vaccine for this one is still supported by the "Emergency Use authorisation" after four years, and the most technological country in the world has the highest infection rate and death rate.
      And lets not forget the Cominarty pea and thimble trick.

      • Ughhh on 28/09/2024 - 17:29

        You think dieting, eating plant base, exercising etc will immediately cure you of any covid/disease?

        Covid was quite sudden. Lifestyle change is a long term solution, not a short term. If the toaster in the office caught on fire, you grab the fire extinguisher, you don't sit people down and teach how to use a toaster safety.

        If you've ever worked in management or with people, you would know changing behaviour of adults is hard. Given people still smoke despite decades of money spent of ads advising against smoking, education and regulations to limit smoking, people still smoke knowing the risk (particularly first timers). People are lazy, the only Gov that may be able to change this, is something like North Korea, I rather not.

        • Ghost47 on 28/09/2024 - 18:08
          +1

          You think dieting, eating plant base, exercising etc will immediately cure you of any covid/disease?

          I don't think anyone is saying that. From the first line of that article:

          This review shows that relatively simple changes to diet and lifestyle can significantly, and rapidly, reduce the risks associated with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in terms of infection risk, severity of disease, and even disease-related mortality.

          If you've ever worked in management or with people, you would know changing behaviour of adults is hard.

          Definitely, some people once they are set in their ways are not open to new ideas.

          People are lazy, the only Gov that may be able to change this, is something like North Korea, I rather not.

          The lazy people who don't take care of their health are exactly the type of people who keep doctors, surgeons and big pharma going. Healthcare has become a business that relies on people eating poor diets, not exercising etc.

          It's quite interesting how some of the simplest things in life can be missed completely and then end up in disaster for some people. For instance eating a healthy diet and managing money. These things are relatively simple concepts to grasp, e.g. eat a varied diet and try to eat five serves of fruit and veg a day, don't spend more than you earn, yet there are so many people out there who are unhealthy and barely keeping their heads above water. I find it interesting how such simple concepts can be completely overlooked, and there are also people who have jobs as a result of that neglect, e.g. healthcare providers (GPs, nutritionists, dietitians) and financial advisers/planners, financial counsellors.

          • Ughhh on 28/09/2024 - 18:56

            @Ghost47:

            I don't think anyone is saying that

            Below is Clickbait stated/quoted:

            questions must be asked about why governments have been so unwilling to embrace measures which could have rapidly and inexpensively simultaneously improved the health of nations and bolstered their defences against COVID-19."

            Obviously having a healthy lifestyle will help reduce chance of disease, everyone knows that, it's not new news.

            Healthcare has become a business that relies on people eating poor diets, not exercising etc.

            Every industry is basically the same. The Red Cross relies on poverty, people having mental issues leading to homelessness etc. Unfortunately even a Band-Aid cost money.

            I agree people are interesting, frustrating, but still interesting. There's so much influence from the community and childhood of a person, and so many other variables that lead people to make the decisions they make. Some only care about now and live like there's no tomorrow. Meanwhile, there's others who die with millions in the bank and never spent a cent of it because they enjoyed watching their bank account grow.

            • Ghost47 on 28/09/2024 - 22:58
              +1

              @Ughhh:

              Obviously having a healthy lifestyle will help reduce chance of disease, everyone knows that, it's not new news.

              Indeed, but like I said, something as simple as eating a healthy diet or saving part of your paycheck is somehow overlooked by many, otherwise why would GPs or financial planners exist?

              There's so much influence from the community and childhood of a person, and so many other variables that lead people to make the decisions they make. Some only care about now and live like there's no tomorrow. Meanwhile, there's others who die with millions in the bank and never spent a cent of it because they enjoyed watching their bank account grow.

              True. We also live in a post-truth era where science and fact is less influential in shaping people's beliefs, instead they rely on emotions and personal beliefs.

  • jacross on 28/09/2024 - 08:07
    -2

    The symptoms you feel ARE your immune system working. People with shit immune symptoms feel nothing with a cold, and then get pneumonia and die.

    Also, it's too hard to tease out any meaning

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:33
      +1

      You and your bloody logic.

    • mrdean on 29/09/2024 - 09:14
      +1

      Healthy people (especially unvaccinated kids) mount acute responses to respiratory & other illnesses. They get over them pretty quickly for the most part.

      The more vaccines/injections, the higher likelihood of a "shit immune" system. Chronic subclinical inflammation in some cases, weakened responses in others, autoimmune conditions in others, disability, death etc.

  • tabitha731 on 28/09/2024 - 08:31

    Who have u been hanging around?! Or are u being as hygienic as you possibly can be? I’ve had covid a few times too, had 4 vaccines, thankfully none of the instances of covid were as severe as other have experienced, also had a flu this year… but a lot of your illnesses can be avoided, by simple hygiene, and avoiding disease carriers like snotty kids!

  • Darude Sandstorm on 28/09/2024 - 08:36

    I'd get a cold maybe once or twice a year.
    Didn't have one for 2-3 years, no covid, nothing.
    Since getting covid in January this year I have had 2 bacterial infections that I've needed antibiotics for, 4 colds, the flu once.
    Never ends, I reckon covid cooked me completely, before getting it I had no issues.

    For the record, people seem to be confusing the lockdowns, social distancing, constant sanitisation, lowering of natural immunity systems etc with getting Covid and that affecting your immune system. Read.

  • tessel on 28/09/2024 - 10:08

    No

  • doctordv8 on 28/09/2024 - 10:14

    No. Nothing has changed here.

    Oh… had a sore throat for a day back in mid '23.

  • Fysh on 28/09/2024 - 10:30
    +1

    I ended up in hospital via ambo throwing ip and heart rate 170 and wouldn't go down

    Ive neen sick for like 4 weeks and keep getting things.

    I now have a chest infection.

    I use to get over these so quickly. Its fkd and I dont know what to do.

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:34
      +1

      RSV

    • RiseAndRuin on 28/09/2024 - 13:37
      +1

      I use to get over these so quickly

      Me too, when I was decades younger…

  • Oofy Doofy on 28/09/2024 - 11:08
    +1

    Sounds like Affluenza

  • TrumpisKing on 28/09/2024 - 11:16
    +4

    You've answered your own question. You had three jabs, your immune system is destroyed. Don't blame covid considering it's a common cold.

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 11:38
      +1

      Funny, the other 26.9999M ppl who don't come to Ozb, are all flying along with multiple covid shots, with or without covid infection, and are not queuing up a million deep at the hospital, flat out on a stretcher.Life goes on except in the dark,dank caves of the cooker burrows. Where they happily "blame hunt" in the factual cherry orchard with a chainsaw, microscope, chocolate wheel and a well worn toothpick.

    • Ughhh on 28/09/2024 - 11:52
      +2

      I envy your simplistic perception and understanding of life. Ignorance is really bliss.

    • AussieDolphin on 28/09/2024 - 22:25
      -1

      Well said.

  • cfuse on 28/09/2024 - 11:45

    I don't get any sicker than before but I take a thoroughly haram covid treatment protocol as required (including prophylactically if necessary).

    This has the bonus of making Karen very angry.

  • Guerilla89 on 28/09/2024 - 12:12

    I remember one of the key functions of the covid vaccine was that if your body detects spike protein which is normally associated with covid, it will produce less anti-bodies. I would assume if you are in exposure to spike protein, you would then find it easier to get sick in general.

  • Windows98 on 28/09/2024 - 12:33

    I got covid once in 2020 and havent been sick once, not even sniffles since.

    So covid has made me stronger.

  • figarow on 28/09/2024 - 12:48
    +4

    I've also had 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine

    • Protractor on 28/09/2024 - 13:29

      and of course we all just automatically know every other variable involved in Ops life until now, how they live, what they eat, their drug & alcohol intake, how many shits a day etc. So let's blame a vaccine. LOL.

      • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 10:29
        +3

        It was an emergency-use authorization (EUA) injection.

        The term "vaccine", before 2020, was for injections which went through 7-10 years of testing.

        Words have meanings which get diluted because of the way it is used.

        • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 11:27

          Pedantic and misleading comment. The term "vaccine" has always meant the same thing.And not always after 7-10 years testing. You're mixing up selective anecdotal and colloquial preference, with etymological and medical facts.

          Before 2020 cooker meant something you prepared food with.
          Words have meanings which get dilutedaltered because of the way it is used

          • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 11:33
            +3

            @Protractor:

            Pedantic and misleading somment.

            Pedantic is not misleading.

            The injection —WAS— approved under 'EUA', because no treatments were shown to be available, hence why the injection was method was used to 'slow transmission', which itself had become false,
            eg. "if you don't get it, to protect grandma"

            The term "vaccine" has always meant the same thing

            No.
            If you look at the Wayback Machine, and look up the dictionary definitions, the word "vaccine" meant a different thing, and the online sources were all changed at around the same time.

            It's remarkable, how 'esteemed', online dictionaries can all change around the same time.
            It's like changing history or someone's memory of it, AND in a co-ordinated way.

            USA's 'CDC' also changed its definition, ie. no more was it, to give you immunity…but it's only for protection, and repeated doses of the same recipe to protect you against different strains.

            Still, no one talks about "immunity", which is what 'immunization' is supposed to mean, or being an 'immunologist' is supposed to do, build towards immunity, but till this day, there's no influenza 'vaccine' either.
            Every season, a different recipe is brought out, for the season's influenza injections,…and people took it, however not much uptake of update Covid-19 injections.

            • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 11:34

              @whyisave: Show me exactly in the fields of science and health where the words 7-10 years rule in or out a vaccine being a vaccine.And without reaching into the cooker handbook try this search and prove they are all in a conspiracy together>
              are covid injections a vaccination

              • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 11:39
                +3

                @Protractor:

                Show me exactly in the fields of science and health where the words 7-10 years rule in or out a vaccine being a vaccine.

                I said that before 2020-2021, the term 'vaccine' used to mean to someone:
                that a whole of testing had gone into it, with clinical trials, etc… and these take 7-10 years.
                Even Dr. Norman Swan said this on ABC News and Radio.
                I heard him say it, ie. a lot of work goes into producing vaccines,…and the discussions were not about mRNA either.

                During 2021, the injections were approved under "EUA", but the term 'vaccine' was used, and the term "EUA" was not put before the word 'vaccine'.

                People would misconstrue that word, thinking there's a whole of trials behind it,
                but there wasn't.

                It's like saying 'plant-based meat' or saying "chick'n" (which is how they also market plant-based chicken).

                Only in 2022-2023 court trials, where Pf1zer refused to disclose the trial data and VAERS data, and wanted to suppress it for 75 years, that the public realised that the term 'vaccine' was a stretch.
                It was just an injection approved under 'EUA' provisions, because no other proven treatment was around at that time.

                • Protractor on 29/09/2024 - 11:41

                  @whyisave: The bottom just fell out of your bucket.

                • Ughhh on 29/09/2024 - 12:25
                  -1

                  @whyisave:

                  The term "vaccine", before 2020, was for injections which went through 7-10 years of testing.

                  Here is a textbook on immunology, published wayyy before Covid, with definitions of vaccines. "7-10 years" of testing was never part of the definition, though it is the usual amount of time for any drugs to be distributed to public- mostly due to money and admin related stuff. It's no brainer that in desperate times, things usually progress much much faster. I'm sure that if your boss told you your project had to be completed in half the time, you would be spending much more time and effort to meet the deadline.

                  You have mixed things you've heard/understood, and convinced yourself that is the 'new' definition, then argue that definition is wrong. Scientist/Politicians tend to dumb things down for the layman to digest and talk about general, the layman replaces/ignore key words and makes things up in their head.

                  • whyisave on 30/09/2024 - 18:21

                    @Ughhh: I didn't neg you.

                    • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 20:29
                      +1

                      @whyisave: I believe you. It looks like the truth has hurt someone's feelings. Lolol

  • Austrian Oak on 28/09/2024 - 14:16
    +6

    Since I started supplementing with vitamin D, I haven't been sick in 5 years, no vax, no COVID.

    • AussieDolphin on 28/09/2024 - 22:27
      +3

      I still haven’t had the scary virus either. So few considered natural options to boost immunity such as vitamin D, zinc, quercetin and vitamin c.

      • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 10:31

        still haven’t had the scary virus either.

        One of the symptoms, is showing no symptoms.

        • AussieDolphin on 29/09/2024 - 19:48

          Funny that. Get a stick test for something you don’t have so it can tell you you’re sick. Common sense is in the bin.

          • whyisave on 29/09/2024 - 20:05
            +1

            @AussieDolphin: I just remember watching the news in 2021 - 2022 and the media were saying that of the symptoms such as coughing, sneezing, lethargy, joint-pains, … "no symptoms" was also a symptom.

            • AussieDolphin on 29/09/2024 - 22:51

              @whyisave: Anything to cause pain and drive fear. I suppose allergies didn’t exist for a few years either.

              • mrdean on 30/09/2024 - 08:29
                +1

                @AussieDolphin:

                Anything to cause pain and drive fear.

                https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265184699_Increasin…

                Fear based messaging from 2004. It has only gotten more sophisticated over time. This from an ex CDC Media Relations/Communications employee; "Recipe" for fostering public interest & high vaccine demand.

                Some quotes:
                “Fostering demand, particularly among people who don’t routinely receive an annual influenza vaccination, requires creating concern, anxiety, and worry.
                For example: "A perception or sense that many people are falling ill"
                "A perception or sense that many people are experiencing bad illness"
                "A perception or sense of vulnerability to contracting and experiencing bad illness."

                "Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people– helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza."

                "Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)."

                Unbelievable, isn't it.

                • AussieDolphin on 30/09/2024 - 09:04
                  +2

                  @mrdean: The “recipe” worked since critical thinking declined, denial is on the rise and unless the news said it, it’s not true. I have a seriously Covid-19 vaccine injured sister. She can no longer work and before this she was totally fine. The poster of this thread has asked rhetorical question but the responses clearly show too many are still oblivious.

                  • whyisave on 30/09/2024 - 15:48
                    +1

                    @AussieDolphin: I'm sorry to hear your situation.

                    I'm not this type of person to neg comments (I never have),
                    yet, I found so many negs (from bots?) for people who participated in the 2021-2022 medical response,
                    and then shared their adverse reactions online (here, as well),…only to get ridiculed and negged.

                    PS:
                    Justice4Caitlin
                    https://x.com/RaeleneKenned20/status/1700756324601274377/

                    • AussieDolphin on 30/09/2024 - 19:26
                      +1

                      @whyisave: Thank you. My sister is also now battling two clotting disorders and she’s only in her early forty’s. I’m familiar with Caitlin’s story. So sad what happened to her. Blows my mind that people are still getting more injections. For what health benefit I’ll never know.

            • Ughhh on 30/09/2024 - 08:08

              @whyisave:

              no symptoms" was also a symptom.

              Like how early stages of cancer also have no symptoms?

              • whyisave on 30/09/2024 - 15:51

                @Ughhh: Maybe we all have early stages of <anything>, before it actually becomes <something>.

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