I know it's an i3 but only slightly slower than its big brother i5-8500T which has been popular in past deals, according to some brief research: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8500T-vs…
and nearly 20% faster than i5-6400:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6400-vs-…
Bring it down to $124.99 if you have eBay plus with the $5 discount code.
Delivery of $19.99 sucks but seems to be kinda alright overall.
I don't know if it was in the title when you commented, but it seems to be in the title now
Should it be mentioned that it's used?
An 8th gen i3 used??? No!
Not everyone on this site are knowledgeable about PCs and it's got nothing to do with intelligence.
You are correct. In fact his answer proves this. Not knowing that non tech people shop for tech is "Only if you're dumb" according to his standards.
Sorry forgot to add that in the title 😅
What about comparing two 11 gen CPUs ?
Same thing I’d suppose, methodology and test environment can be different.
Thanks for sharing and that’s a valid point.
I only use it as a reference, to get some rough ideas.
Still, better off looking at Cpubenchmark or just comparing cinebench scores.
They are banned from Intel & Nvidia forums despite weighing extremely in favor of both brands. Rather telling that their comparisons are no good.
Good to finally see cheap Win11 supported machines, I moved full-time to Linux myself, but I still wouldn't recommend it to many people.
what distro are you using? I'm contemplating doing it since there's not much I really need windows for.
You can actually just test drive a distro from the install disk if you want to play a bit. Main difference is the desktop you install which is very much a matter of personal taste. I like opensuse with a kde desktop. Or ubuntu with Xfce for a server. You can also keep windows and use grub to boot into either.
I basically went linux a decade ago and just kept windows for gaming and havent looked back. Thanks to proton I can now play most of my games under linux as well.
Linux is MUCH less frustrating than windows in terms of allowing you to do what you want rather than what Microsoft decided you should do. However if you breaks it its up to you to fix it..
Thanks for the reply, I'll give it a crack. I've only really used debian in headless mode for my home server so was interested to find out about which of the desktop's are popular. Cheers
@iuselect: Fedora Workstation (GNOME), Fedora (KDE Spin) or openSUSE Leap/Tumbleweed are solid choices, as is Linux Mint if you want something more beginner focused.
Immutable/Atomic distros are also becoming more popular, whereby the root file system is read-only and so software is installed via layering packages on top of the base system or through self-contained applications via Flatpak or AppImage or through other containerisation methods. I've probably made it sound more complex than it actually is, but atomic distros are interesting because they're designed to be easy to use and difficult to break.
I'm using Linux Mint, but without NVIDIA I preferred Debian Stable with GNOME desktop.
Having a separate /home partition makes changing distro easier.
https://bufferstock.com.au/product/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-…
this is probably better deal and it seems to be refurbished and not just 2nd hand
Not worth it, doesnt even support windows 11
Will work fine. More ram and sad.
Until windows 10 is EOL october 2025
How much more sad?
Sadness always helps
Selling point
you realise there's easy workarounds…?
You release those workarounds are getting patched…?
Even if you put aside the extra “workarounds” you’re going to do forever in order bypass the new “fixes” Microsoft releases, the 6400T and 8100T are both 4 core cpus…
Sure its got 16gb ram and 256gb but those are peanuts compared to official windows 11 support.
@wombok2: Um, there are a set of official Microsoft provided registry keys to enable Win 11 on underspecced hardware.
They're not "getting patched" or needing additional workarounds - they're the official solution from Microsoft themselves, and they'll continue to work as long as your hardware is physically capable of running Windows 11.
@Nom: Im assuming you’re talking about the Enterprise / LTSC versions of Windows 10 which are not the ones bundled with these units as is.
The cost to get those versions are more than the cost of the unit itself and again, if you’re planning to use “workarounds” for those registry keys, it makes little sense to do more work when theres many affordable ex corporate 8th gen deals out there.
Just go for those instead period.
Im assuming you’re talking about the Enterprise / LTSC versions of Windows 10
No.
The AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU key works just fine on Home and Pro editions.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-…
@Nom: Not sure if you’re serious, but that method is 3 years old from 2021 (same year they released windows 11) to initially bypass CPU/TPM checks.
Microsoft have mentioned it many many times that there may not be updates to windows installations on unsupported hardware.
Lo and behold
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/micr…
Give it time and the windows update will check for current windows install and find out it’s not installed on supported hardware.
@wombok2: I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
The official method in 2021 remains the official method in 2024.
If and when Microsoft decide to implement some actual hardware checks, then we'll discuss.
But they haven't done that, nor is there any indication that they are planning to do that.
They have fixed the glitch referred to in your link which is entirely irrelevant to this discussion 🤷🏼♂️
@Nom: I think the driver for this discussion is saying… why need go through the effort of workarounds when you can just buy a windows 11 supported computer for the same price with zero additional effort required.
Are saying its better to buy unsupported hardware and do additional steps for the average computer person for a particular reason?
Are saying its better to buy unsupported hardware
Nope, if you want to run Windows 11 then buy a machine of the correct hardware level. Buying a lesser machine like this is bonkers when you already know it doesn't meet the required specs.
But that's not the conversation we were having.
Your concern was that the workarounds would stop working soon and there was some sort of cat and mouse - this is not the case. If you need to run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware then you absolutely can - it's not an issue. They are not being "patched".
The only reason to buy a Lenovo Tiny is if it has a PCIe x8 slot, which would make for a great router or JBOD array.
Otherwise, any micro PC will be fine.
Also, RAM and storage are cheap anyway if you look at the right places.
Probably not if someone were to use this as a media server or such. Newer intel CPU versions add support for more modern codecs. For example, the 8th gen supports 10-bit HDR with HEVC encodes, 6th gen supports up to 8-bit. 7th gen Intel is the recommended minimum for Jellyfin.
See Intel Quick Sync support and features across CPU generations
See Jellyfin minimum requirements
Would be difficult to source cpus end with T I guess?
I5 8500t easy to find on AliExpress but it sells for $86 so that's not at all worth it compared to the price you pay for the machine and the minimal performance difference. The i7 is over $100 so once again not worth.
and I've seen many kids tried to RMA damaged motherboard because they watched a YouTube video and tried to install CPU themselves…
not saying you're one of them, but kids like that exist! :)
Gotta learn somewhere. At least you're not out much if you break this, it's cheaper than a new motherboard.
newer processors don't have pins, so not so easy to damage
If only this had 16GB ram. 8GB is just so limiting these days even just for browsing.
1TB is not enough for my wife…
I pointed out to her that she has 10 of the same tabs open, to which her response was that it's easier to create another tab than look for the existing ones.
FML.
And she doesn't believe in turning off or rebooting the PC.
FML x 2
Install Brave browser, the background tab sleeping is much better than Chrome/Edge
/person who also leaves hundreds of tabs open and has their PC on 24/7
Was searching 3060 in wording but no luck ; -)
I found this:
https://www.mydeal.com.au/dell-optiplex-3060-tiny-micro-mff-…
Same PC but $119.99 with $10 off and only $16.99 shipping
Same but it doesn't say anything about built-in WiFi?
i5-8500t has 50% more cores - so it's more than a little bit faster for multi-core workloads.
If you're happy with 4 cores, then the i3-9100 units from metrocom for $139 delivered are better value - it has faster single core, and I think takes regular desktop DDR4.
Read the comments
Edit: my bad, you clarified with the seller.
Price changed to $134.99
Update 11:24 AEST: Jacked again to $138.99
This is honestly a great little pc for anyone who wants to run a game server, I have one running a rust server and is so quite and small you cant tell that its on in the room.
Mines been on for months now and has not skipped a beat yet, not only that but power usage is only at 24 watts but I have heard of people underclocking it under 20 and still getting the same performance.
I found even i5-8500t is somehow slower than i5-4590. I have both Dell PC.
for example…
anyone come across any cheap 8GB RAM for this one as yet?
EDIT: grr… mine has 2x 4GB installed so i will need to buy 2x 8GB
Stock is has been replenished for this model again.
FYI - they also have the i3-9100T model for $189.99 delivered (eBay Plus) with code SEPSNS.
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gen 8 so will run win11 with no hacks …