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Tesla Powerwall Home Battery $10,400 + Gateway $1,700 (Total $12,100) + Delivery & Installation Costs by Quotation @ Tesla Au

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Tesla Powerwall Home Battery $10,400 + Gateway $1,700 (Total $12,100) + Delivery & Installation Costs by Quotation @ Tesla Au
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LEllllllys on 04/08/2024 - 14:23 tesla.com (2933 clicks)
Last edited 05/08/2024 - 15:25 by 2 other users

*Price includes GST. Does not include delivery, installation, or other costs and fees. Final price will be provided by a Certified Installer.

Keep in mind this price is before installation and delivery.

That said, in the US the PowerWall (PW) 2 and PW3 have been the same price. Yet the PW3 includes an inbuilt inverter.

PW3 has 11.5kW of continuous power and 13.5KWh of capacity.

Once the NSW government battery rebate hits on 01.11.24 the price of these could drop to around $11k installed, which seems to be reasonable since most people are pretty much giving away their solar to the grid now.

The other thing to keep in mind is that you can recharge from the grid. So if you use OVO you can recharge from 11am - 2pm for free (though that’s when you solar will be pumping) and you can also recharge the PW with offpeak power from 12am - 5pm.

The downside of the PW is that it’s not modular, unlike the other two which are highly rated by Solar Quotes, the SolarGrow and BYD home battery systems. Where you can add a few KWh of storage easily and (potentially) make use of falling battery prices.

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        • DingoBlue on 04/08/2024 - 21:47

          Possible in SA but cost prohibitive.

          • IXXI on 05/08/2024 - 08:57

            @DingoBlue: No longer possible in SA as the inverter manufacturer discontinued sales of the required V2X equipment almost as soon as it was approved for use. Source - I tried to get one at the time.

            • DingoBlue on 05/08/2024 - 12:41

              @IXXI: Appreciate the update. It was going to cost as much as an entire battery so I’m not surprised it went nowhere.

              • IXXI on 05/08/2024 - 12:58

                @DingoBlue: Yeah, It was pricey @ around $10k just for the charger. It did however unlock 64kWh of storage in your Nissan Leaf (big battery version), all fully warrarnted. Glad I didnt end up doing it though as it was limited to Chademo vehicles (Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV). The next Gen CCS versions will be compatible with a much broader range of vehicles.

  • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 15:59
    +8

    Ive had 13.3kw solar and 13kwh battery installed just under 3 years ago now for $14,000
    Rebates were probably better back then also

    Looking at my graph, ive saved $12,421.53c as of today
    We are pretty high users of electricity and with power prices going up, it makes even more sense to have a battery these days

    As the OP stated, you can charge now with OVO for free during the day and 8c per kwh at night.
    This gets us through 99% of most nights and mornings without paying for peak power which these days in SA hovers around 40 - 50c.

    It all depends on your electricity usage, for high users like us, it makes perfect sense otherwise our bills would br around 1k to 1.5k per quarter. Now its nil or in credit.

    • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 16:10
      +1

      Yes but this deal is just the battery without delivery and installation which is equal to or more than what you paid 3 years ago and you got solar panels in the deal included.

      Still not sure how the maths works. To save $900 per quarter the throughput through the battery needs to be more than 25kWh per day at 40 cents/kWh (peak rate). Thats isn't possible with a 13.5kWh battery.

      • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 17:20
        +1

        Im just going by what my app tells me
        For reference
        Since oct 2021
        Ive consumed 35275kwh, solar has made 50450kwh
        If i say on average our peak rate was on average 0.35c over the last 3 years (its around 45c now)
        It gives you an idea of how its being calculated. Also taking into account we do consume alot during the day when the sun is out. (Its not all about the battery)

      • Name on 04/08/2024 - 20:30

        Not sure about the money part of it. But you can get 25kw out of a 13kw battery over a 24 hour period. During the day the battery charges and discharges depending on conditions and what you're doing.

        As an example, if your solar panels are producing 5kw and you turn on the oven and toaster and start consuming 6kw. Rather than taking that extra 1kw from the grid it'll take it from the battery. When the toast pops your consumption drops back to 4kw and your excess solar is now charging up the battery again for what was just used. Most people get around 1.3-1.5 factor from what I heard off an installer. But it's not unheard of to be higher depending on how you use your power.

        • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 20:45

          That tells me they're not thinking about the solar when they turn stuff on. Keep usage under 5kW at all times and there's no need for a battery at the above price.

          The more a battery is used the lower it's expected lifespan. Use it 1.5 times per day and it'll be lucky to last 10 years with much more than 70% of its remaining capacity. Just enough to avoid a warranty claim.

          • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:03
            +3

            @mysterytal: So in a sad circumstance where it took 10 years to pay off….. you'd be distressed to be left with a free battery setup with only 80% of 13Kwh (10.4Kwh)
            Oh the pain!

            • mysterytal on 05/08/2024 - 00:59
              -2

              @rooster7777: Free? Who said it was free?

              I have to borrow the money either from a bank or raise funds by selling income earning assets to buy this. It's not free.

          • Name on 05/08/2024 - 13:26

            @mysterytal: Most people don't care/ don't want to monitor their usage. They'll just turn their toaster on as they want toast. It's really just us frugle people that care. 😂

    • bowtiehoon on 04/08/2024 - 19:46

      You would have had to have actually used $12.5k of electricity in 3 yrs to have actually saved it, maybe ur bitcoin mining of whatever but my household spends under $1k a year on power

      • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 20:04
        +2

        Our bills were 1-1.5k per quarter before solar, so 12k is definately saved and then some
        We do use more power than usual but these days i dont care
        3 fridge freezers, 2 teens, 20kw reverse cycle

        For someone like you that spends 1k on power per year it’s obviously not worth it

    • cloudy on 04/08/2024 - 20:24
      +1

      Ive had 13.3kw solar and 13kwh battery installed just under 3 years ago now for $14,000

      And where was the ozb post?

      Clearly much better deal than this battery with no solar…

  • jrt2020 on 04/08/2024 - 16:14
    +1

    Is this not the usual price ? What is the deal ?

  • gimmedealspls on 04/08/2024 - 16:14
    +2

    7 year breakeven point based on using the max 13.5kw at my peak rate between 3pm-9pm…..

    Hard pass

  • Ocker on 04/08/2024 - 16:24
    +2

    Numbers go nowhere near stacking up for us.
    We have a 6kW solar system and for the last 12 months, according to our electricity provider, we have consumed a net 11,1948 kW, and exported to the grid 1,265 kW.
    If we had of fed the surplus into a battery it would have reduced our usage cost by a net $215.
    Take a helluva long time to pay off the prime cost of a battery !!

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:08

      So you use about 33 Kwh a day, and have a 6Kwh solar array. That size solar array doesn't stack up…. that's your problem.
      (you also missed out a key data figure… how much solar your array produced over that 12 months, or per day)

      • Ocker on 05/08/2024 - 11:14
        +1

        You can only install solar panels to the extent of the available roof area.

  • mooreshady on 04/08/2024 - 16:24
    +2

    I will take it if govt rebate is $8000 for this gadget.

  • Vita85 on 04/08/2024 - 16:25
    +2

    What a ripoff.

    Get yourself some solar panels if you don't have them already otherwise hard pass.

  • Bippz01 on 04/08/2024 - 16:31
    +1

    Origin recently quoted me $13500 for a Tesla battery + installation included.
    Ther offer a 24 month intrest free period as well.
    If we join the VPP for 5 years then Origin is offering 5 years intrest free install with $250 deposit. It sounded tempted to spread the cost over 5 years.

    Interested to hear thoughts??

  • tonka on 04/08/2024 - 16:37

    Can someone mess with my logic here. A battery is just for night-time when panels aren't producing electricity. People in Camper Vans seem to be able to run a lights, TV and fridge over night off a $300-$500 car battery. Why is there such a step up to this at $12K. Even if you needed 10x the performance of a campervan set up.

    • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 16:47
      +1

      Heating or cooking. A campervan might use bottled gas for that.

    • shaidas on 04/08/2024 - 16:57
      +1

      Thats a very simplistic way to think about it since a house has a lot of equipment that is on standby even when not in use.. routers, fridges, TVs moreover if you live in a caravan you are roughing it and you are ok with some cold or some heat but in a house you would want it at the right temperature specially if you have kids… all of that takes a lot of electricity and it adds up even though LEDs ..having said that batteries are way too expensive still ..all you have to do is look at your bill and decide .. Anything with more than a 5 year ROI is a waste of time, specially in the current climate..thats IMO people will disagree

      • tonka on 04/08/2024 - 17:07
        -1

        OK makes sense, so maybe good for people that don't regulate their energy use or large family group. Seems there's room for mid range solutions then.

  • GREEN IOT on 04/08/2024 - 16:55

    $12,100 and doesn't include delivery or installation, it will be around $15,000 including installation.

    The Powerwall 3 will be released in this month.

    We will try to get a special price for pw2.

    The pw2 is an AC coupled battery designed for people who already got solar system installed.

    New pw3 is a DC coupled battery which is able to connect solar panels directly and is designed for households don't have solar panels.

  • MojoMiwo on 04/08/2024 - 17:02
    +1

    At 12K fully installed it takes about 10 years to get back the cost.
    I'm waiting for the safer and cheaper Sodium-Ion batteries or better government subsidies.
    It needs to pay itself off in 5 years.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:10

      wait for the new powerwall with LiFe batteries if you want something safer…. tesla has seen the light about NMC batteries.

  • MS Paint on 04/08/2024 - 17:12
    +2

    I can buy a lot of fuel and electricity for $12k.

  • triumph on 04/08/2024 - 17:15
    +2

    My calculation is I would never get the money back unless I change to off-grid. Why? Energy suppliers now charge me $1 every day for management fees, as long as I continue to connect to grid. Right now, on average, with my solar panels there, I only use 3 KWHs from the grid, supply charge is even higher than usage charge.

  • Wozi on 04/08/2024 - 18:23
    +1

    Tell him he’s dreaming. Not paying those ripoff prices, get real how is this a bargain?

  • MaxHashrate on 04/08/2024 - 18:28
    -2

    Already got my money's worth from crypto mining haha

  • ozmian on 04/08/2024 - 18:33
    +1

    paid $5,800 in 2018 (with SA rebates). used energylocals VPP plan with no daily supply charge so likely paid itself back by now (WFH so powers always being used). don't think they've drawn from it much at all so pretty much been all my usage. believe the plans legacy'd now so moving will suck, they offered a switch to a new plan with a supply charge but rejected it.

    • noz on 04/08/2024 - 21:47

      was it a Tesla Powerwall, or some other brand?

      • tkboi on 04/08/2024 - 22:15
        +1

        Majority of the SA rebate back then people went with tesla powerwall 2.

        I got mine for $4,500 with AGL VPP.

        $0 up front cost, pay $75 a month until its paid off.

        Best investment for my family so far.

        Dont think it was posted on OZB back then cos to obtain the deal you have to be in SA and it was a rebate program.

        There were also many different providers providing different deals during those days.

      • ozmian on 08/08/2024 - 17:16

        Yeh Tesla PW2 as the other guy said. Also checked with AGL but went without VPP first then joined the Tesla VPP plan that EnergyLocals offered and been on it since.

  • unifex on 04/08/2024 - 18:40
    +1

    is this a discount? Seems like it's close or the same as normal price ?

  • Drakesy on 04/08/2024 - 18:52
    +1

    Still not financially viable

  • techno2000 on 04/08/2024 - 19:22
    +6

    Putting $15000 in my offset at 6% would halve my yearly electricty bill.

    • techno2000 on 05/08/2024 - 11:20

      And after 10 years, I would still have $15000 in my offset.
      The Tesla powerwall will be worth bugger all after 10 years of usage.

  • DoctorCalculon on 04/08/2024 - 19:45

    At the moment, if you already have a PW2 installed, you can't install a PW3. They won't play well with each other.

  • HappyPuppies on 04/08/2024 - 19:53
    +1

    If this is PW2, PW2 have NMC chemistry and degrade faster than LFP. Mine is 4 years old and has 9% degradation (outdoor, no VPP).

    • DingoBlue on 04/08/2024 - 21:49
      +1

      When does the warranty kick in?
      ~2% per year actually doesn’t sound too bad.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:13

      4 years old and 9% degradation, if accurate, is around expectations of 80% capacity (20% degradation) after 10 years.

  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 04/08/2024 - 19:59

    I saw one of these once. for the price it looked really small.
    I thought if you are spending $15k it would be much bigger. but it's like a huge power bank stuck on the wall. it's only 115cm x 75cm but looks even smaller on the wall.
    if spending so much I was expecting something that would be from the ground to past halfway up the wall and power your house for days.
    didn't really know how to convert 13.5kWh to actual house use but after looking things up sounds like it doesn't.

    the marketing photos kind of make it look thinner, so maybe that's why I was expecting it to be much bigger.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:13
      +2

      they could probably put it in a bigger box if that's what you wanted

      • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 05/08/2024 - 16:15

        not just a bigger box I expect batteries to be in there too.

        I actually thought it would be roughly 3x to 4x the size. like if you stacked 4 of them in a square, that's about how big I expected it to be. but if you see one irl it's tiny.

        I paid $109 for my 153Wh Power pack. so 13500Wh should be less than 100x the price? 15300Wh would cost $10k. so should be less than that around $9k. also this is before factoring in I think it should be less because you are actually buying more batteries in bulk inside.

  • Penalty boxer on 04/08/2024 - 20:33

    This price hasn't changed recently right?

    For those interested in price history: https://www.solarchoice.net.au/products/batteries/tesla-powe…

  • Iwantthatbargain on 04/08/2024 - 20:56
    -1

    I love Elon Musk.

  • team teri on 04/08/2024 - 22:25
    +2

    To put things into perspective: a Megapack has 3.9 MWh for about USD 1 million. Converting that to AUD, adding GST and scaling to 13.5kWh results in slightly below $6k. That's the price I'm waiting for. And then some, because by the time that price comes around, LPF cells will be even cheaper than now.

    • AE on 05/08/2024 - 08:05
      +2

      That is what im waiting for too.
      The ROI has to be well within the warranty period and for that to happen it needs a pricepoint of 5k for 10kwh. Until then we will wait and watch. In Brisbane at least it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, its sunny most days and if you overspec your system a little bit you can easily offset that little bit of nighttime usage by the credits you earn during the day. So a battery has to be really cheap for our use case.

      • botchie on 05/08/2024 - 10:01
        +1

        i dont know how reputable these guys are but you can get 20kw BYD battery of Alliexpress delivered for under $3k
        about $5k AUD price should be norm if this is true China price

        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007103457910.html?spm=a2…

        • team teri on 05/08/2024 - 11:32

          I see different prices compared to you. The 400Ah one (~20kWh) is shown as USD 3653 + USD 522 shipping.

          While it says BYD in the heading, that brand is nowhere to be seen in the specs.

          In terms of price, this is still a tad higher than it should be, in terms of quality: who knows?

          • botchie on 05/08/2024 - 13:36

            @team teri: Interesting , my shows $1700 AUD plus delivery.
            There was a post here not long ago of one for 2k and it was a proper listing, the point being is that 13kw Tesla crap is overpriced by 50% , batteries need to be around $5k mark to make sense .
            We are just being ripped off

            • team teri on 05/08/2024 - 13:50

              @botchie: That's the price for the 100Ah version, that's only 5kWh.

              • botchie on 05/08/2024 - 14:18

                @team teri: Yeah your right but it was more to demonstrate a point , there was 20kw for sale at $2k earlier , not that anyone would buy it from Australia but these are the Chinese prices .
                If byd starts to sell batteries here with EVs you can expect to get them much cheaper then pw

  • plague69 on 04/08/2024 - 22:42

    Wonder if you can use normally priced batteries with their inverter?

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:15

      can't see anything wrong with connecting a couple of those ebay 12v 100 Ah $250 jobbies up…. ahem

  • Squiggles91 on 05/08/2024 - 07:27
    +1

    Looks like they are trying to clear out PW2 Stock before the PW3 arrives. Not much savings here. PW3 will be the way to go if you don't already have solar. I wouldn't be surprised if the PW3 arrives sooner than we think.

  • Guesty on 05/08/2024 - 09:59

    Natural Solar have been advertising the PW2 with Energy Gateway 2 for $12,500 fully installed for a few months now.

    Worth noting too, that there are quite a few reports that the PW2 will be discontinued once the PW3 is released.

  • Cluster on 05/08/2024 - 10:37
    +2

    $1000 per kWh, plus installation costs. Extremely expensive.

    Right now you can buy brand new batteries in cars, ready to use, for under $750/kWh. Why are home install batteries so expensive? Who is gold plating the price?

  • ContinuousCustomer on 05/08/2024 - 10:43
    +1

    This is a dumb investment, you are much better off with the largest solar system you can get. Rather than getting a tiny solar system and a battery.

    The cost is like your 10 year electricity bill without solar.

  • johnfuller on 05/08/2024 - 11:01

    dont trust OVO, they're not a good company to deal with

    i was being billed random amounts every month and it was always based on estimations

    when i cut over to them, they didnt bother sending someone out to take an accurate reading like other major providers do, like Origin etc

  • kml22 on 05/08/2024 - 11:11

    I'm confused, is this deal for PW3 or PW2?

  • maddykartik on 05/08/2024 - 11:13

    There is another installer called VoltX (NSW), using NeoVolt batteries + inverter.

    They are running a promotion now, $1600 cashback.
    Usually $7500 installed price for 10.1kW battery (inbuilt 5kW battery inverter) of which 9.6kW is usable.
    All up it is $5900 installed now in NSW.

    Extra 10.1kW battery alone is like $4000 installed, add-on.

    PW2 has same 5kW inverter limit
    PW3 has 11.5 kW continuous output.

    It is expected to be released on Aug 16th, with installed price of $16k from an installer.

    Tossing up between NeoVolt and Tesla PW2/PW3.
    Atleast PW has automatic full house backup, whereas NeoVolt only has manually added lights/circuit.
    ROI on NeoVolt ($5900) would be much faster than tesla though ($11000/$16000).

    Natural Solar has Tesla PW2 installed at $11000 now in NSW.
    This particular listing isnt a deal anyway.

  • maddykartik on 05/08/2024 - 11:14

    Whoever is planning to put on a fresh solar can think and wait for PW3 - as it has inbuilt Solar inverter which take upto 20kW of panels and has an impressive 6 MPPTs.
    Would be an All in One solution, with a little bit of cost premium.

  • krisp on 05/08/2024 - 11:15

    Unless batteries come below $5k installed, I see no point paying upfront for 20+ years of electricity and getting a product that will be long gone before paying itself off.

    • maddykartik on 05/08/2024 - 11:30

      NeoVolt 10.1kW battery comes close - $5900 installed

      • krisp on 05/08/2024 - 11:37

        If we're talking now about 20% smaller battery, then the installed price should be no more than $4k. Sorry, still no business here.

  • Naigrabzo on 05/08/2024 - 11:38

    When ROI comes down to 8 years, I will bite….

  • nad007 on 05/08/2024 - 12:57

    Does anyone know how much this will be with rebate in VIC?
    And can you move the battery if we change houses?
    Thanks :)

  • DmytroP on 05/08/2024 - 13:54
    +2

    With the price of battery cells dropped so much (about $75USD/kWh in China for LFP packs, around $50/kWh for cells), it's hard to justify the price of the home batteries.

    13.5KWh of capacity is about $1k AUD of cells worth.

    Source:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-07-09/china-…

  • comradePUP on 05/08/2024 - 18:21

    I thought this was OzBargain?

  • comradePUP on 05/08/2024 - 18:25

    If you buy this you are locked into the Tesla ecosystem right?

  • robbie613 on 05/08/2024 - 20:56

    HODL - every few months the solar panel wattage increases for the same cost, and if you can wait 6 months to a year we are gonna have much more competition in the home battery space, it's reaching the point of inflection (no help from inflation though!)

    Electrical companies should be worried, as, just like the NBN, there is more than one way to get an equivalent service. People are being priced gouged and those who can will (or are) starting to vote by unplugging and going off-grid…

    The only play they'll have is to hike up daily rates and prevent us from disconnecting. Will be interesting to come back to this comment in 5 years ;)

  • Geoff01 on 08/08/2024 - 08:26

    At 12k for batteries plus around 7 to10 for solar how can you ever see a return on this. Even if just adding batteries if you have solar it would prob need replacing when you finally break even.

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