Tesla Powerwall Home Battery $10,400 + Gateway $1700 (Total $12,100) + Delivery & Installation Costs @ Tesla Au

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Tesla Powerwall Home Battery $10,400 + Gateway $1700 (Total $12,100) + Delivery & Installation Costs @ Tesla Au
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LEllllllys on 04/08/2024 - 14:23 tesla.com (1445 clicks)
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*Price includes GST. Does not include delivery, installation, or other costs and fees. Final price will be provided by a Certified Installer.

Keep in mind this price is before installation and delivery.

That said, in the US the PowerWall (PW) 2 and PW3 have been the same price. Yet the PW3 includes an inbuilt inverter.

PW3 has 11.5kW of continuous power and 13.5KWh of capacity.

Once the NSW government battery rebate hits on 01.11.24 the price of these could drop to around $11k installed, which seems to be reasonable since most people are pretty much giving away their solar to the grid now.

The other thing to keep in mind is that you can recharge from the grid. So if you use OVO you can recharge from 11am - 2pm for free (though that’s when you solar will be pumping) and you can also recharge the PW with offpeak power from 12am - 5pm.

The downside of the PW is that it’s not modular, unlike the other two which are highly rated by Solar Quotes, the SolarGrow and BYD home battery systems. Where you can add a few KWh of storage easily and (potentially) make use of falling battery prices.

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            • Captain Hindsight on 04/08/2024 - 17:27
              +2

              @Cupa Bundy Drinker: I’d agree but ovo’s new rates and fit of 3c have killed it for me. I’m pretty sure I’m better off on another company, eg engie ev plan with 10c fit.

              • Cupa Bundy Drinker on 04/08/2024 - 18:06
                +1

                @Captain Hindsight: I'm leaving OVO too. Feeling more comfortable powering everything with my solar, rather than burning the grid during the free hours

                But if I didn't have the solar, OVO would be my choice and I would think twice before installing Solar panels.

              • friz on 04/08/2024 - 21:47

                @Captain Hindsight: Is this EV Plan for Victoria? I find the new OVO rates hard to stomach but while I'm happy to give up the three free hours, I don't want to lose the 8c overnight to charge the car.

                Any other good options you've found?

                • Cheapskate Paul on 04/08/2024 - 22:00

                  @friz: In SA, the AGL EV plan is much cheaper than OVO. I don't know if that's true for Vic.

            • lgacb08 on 04/08/2024 - 18:28
              +2

              @Cupa Bundy Drinker: you're banking big on Ovo doing the free lunch, it won't be long before they realise too many is taking the free lunch and decide to flip it.

    • M00Cow on 04/08/2024 - 15:17

      I ran numbers

      saving $1500/yr x 10 = $15000

      • MakeBread on 04/08/2024 - 15:23
        +1

        Install isn’t free. Was waiting for you, thanks.

        • M00Cow on 04/08/2024 - 15:39

          and an install isn't $2900 either.

          • tomlut on 04/08/2024 - 22:10

            @M00Cow: I got a quote a couple of weeks ago, $14.5K installed.

    • 0jay on 04/08/2024 - 15:23

      that's an interesting equation, how much's ovo's FIT?

    • Nom on 04/08/2024 - 15:35
      +6

      The only slight problem is that you're totally screwed if OVO change their offering - that plan might disappear in the future !

      • mickeyjuiceman on 04/08/2024 - 15:38
        +2

        Which OVO have done three times this year…

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 22:54

      You've found solar panels that cease producing power after 10 years? Well done!

  • bemybubble on 04/08/2024 - 15:00

    LFP or nmc?

    • hopper on 04/08/2024 - 15:12
      +6

      Eneloop

  • hrcdan on 04/08/2024 - 15:15
    +3

    Got 1 recently, and wish I went a modular system, hits 100% charge with plenty of daylight left, and runs out before house is asleep with maximum allowed solar panels, pretty good apart from that, also got on 5y interest free through solarhart (zip money) if it helps anyone

    • Ellllllys on 04/08/2024 - 15:16

      Good feedback. Would you ever get a second PW? How big is your solar system? Do you recharge from the grid overnight @ offpeak times?

      • hrcdan on 04/08/2024 - 16:23

        Unlikely for second pw unless they bring out a modular design, is 13.5kwh and don’t recharge from grid overnight since not using much till arvo.

  • huntingforbargainz on 04/08/2024 - 15:33
    +7

    I feel like Tesla, just for fun, happens to enjoy throwing a zero or two to its product price tags.

    • easternculture on 04/08/2024 - 15:35
      +3

      You can say that again

      • Ellllllys on 04/08/2024 - 15:38
        +11

        I feel like Tesla, just for fun, happens to enjoy throwing a zero or two to its product price tags.

        • freewhere on 04/08/2024 - 17:19
          +2

          Truer words have never been spoken before

    • Agent Q on 04/08/2024 - 20:50

      So you are saying this should be $1,210?

  • Dishcloth on 04/08/2024 - 15:34
    +20

    For those wanting to do the sums:

    PW2 has 13.5kWh of capacity. If you were to able to recharge these completely during the day and drain them completely in the afternoon/night, this is worth the following at today's rates:

    At $0.31/kWh this is worth about $4.20/day, $130/month or $1500/yr. This unit is $12K + installation. Say another $3K install. So $15K total = 10 year payback. What is the warranty? 10 years.

    Now incorporate low sunlight days into the mix - payback extending 12+ years?

    If you have unreliable power having a battery backup might be useful.

    If your power is reliable, this thing isn't paying itself off any time soon - if it lasts.

    Once this gets to a 5 year payback, then I'll be interested.

    • BarrytheBargain on 04/08/2024 - 15:47

      That seems about right based upon my research, 8-10% is the best case return for most people (considering also battery will degrade, so will solar, potential retailer rate changes), does not quite sound like a good value proposition and would prefer the zero risk returns in an offset account or if you don't have a mortgage and don't mind the risk, shares.

    • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 16:11
      +3

      If you do your sums on just the battery alone, you are probably about right.
      I do my sums on the solar + battery install together.
      For us, 14k was the install price for 13.3kw solar and 13kwh battery just under 3yrs ago
      Its almost 3yrs now and we’ve saved approx 12.5k
      So for us, our pay back period for solar and battery is just over 3yrs

      • GreenRomeo on 04/08/2024 - 17:50
        +1

        Yeah batteries alone is the point being argued here. I think most of us would agree solar (alone) is a no brainer which can easily pay for itself after a few years.

      • lgacb08 on 04/08/2024 - 20:39

        your calculation is flawed because you get massive rebate from SA government when they were desperate to save the grid from collapse. People around that time can get solar and battery similar spec installed for even less than half that cost. Those rebate is pretty much gone now however.

    • Izzyhop on 04/08/2024 - 16:16

      I agree and for reference, I got a quote last week for a Powerwall 2 install for $13,950 (inc. $2k NSW Gov rebate from Nov 24).

      We will install a 10.5kW solar system for $8,300 (inc. $4k solar rebate) and no battery for now.

    • Cerdig on 04/08/2024 - 18:44
      +2

      Your calculation needs to include the opportunity cost of the $15k, which could be invested and yield $750+ a year.

      • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 20:42
        +1

        You could also put an “opportunity cost” to everything else you buy
        I could eat a loaf of bread a day for $1.99 which does the same thing or i could eat what i wanted
        I could sleep in a tent somewhere and save on rent / mortgage

        • Cerdig on 05/08/2024 - 01:45

          So what? The discussion was about the cost-effectiveness of buying a battery. The calculations should take into account other uses of that money.

    • Name on 04/08/2024 - 20:15
      +4

      One of my friends has one. He mentioned something I wasn't aware of.. Which is his "daily capacity" is more like a factor of 1.6 according to the software. So closer to getting 21kw out of his 13kw system per day.

      Because it charges and discharges throughout the day. Like when a cloud comes over it uses battery for that half hour and then sun comes out and it goes back to charging it again or if he is just "balancing along" and turns on the oven it'll consume from battery and then flip back to solar and charge again rather than taking the excess from the grid. By night time it's fully charged and he can use the remainder.

      • PopCounty on 04/08/2024 - 21:12

        Pretty neat. Cheers.

    • team teri on 04/08/2024 - 22:37

      With economy of scale it already gets quite close to 5 years payback. I'm talking about the massive batteries that get added to our grids. Prices for those have plummeted to around AUD 500-600/kWh, including all the other work (HV transformers, etc). Mind you, that's for the GWh size range.

      Unlike solar, where making use of all available roof space totally makes sense, batteries are fairly compact, and building them on a utility scale is a lot more efficient.

      If only we could trust the people who run them not to rip us off…

    • edfoo on 04/08/2024 - 22:45

      Thanks for your calculation. 10+ years just to payback the initial setup cost is too much.

  • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 15:39

    $12,100 and doesn't include delivery or installation? That's quite a lot. Even if we were to use all the capacity every single day then there's no way it could pay for itself. I wonder what people are using in their calculations to make the calculation profitable?

    • Ellllllys on 04/08/2024 - 15:40

      Big families from after school to bed time using peak power TOU prices

      • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 15:42
        -1

        We're on TOU and it's not that expensive. Electricity just isn't that expensive.

        • Ellllllys on 04/08/2024 - 15:43
          +1

          I guess it depends on the household. Ours is definitely expensive. That said we’re trying to be as efficient as possible but sometimes you just wanna have a warm house in winter and a cool house in summer…

          • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 15:46

            @Ellllllys: What does it cost to borrow the money to buy one of these? I can't imagine any young family owns their own house outright so it'll usually mean not paying savings into the mortgage and paying more interest than they need to.

      • coxymla on 04/08/2024 - 15:48

        If you do that, then why would you go on a TOU tariff? Stick to the basic rate.

        • Ellllllys on 04/08/2024 - 15:53
          -1

          No choice when you have a smart meter 😔

          • u9tvfr on 04/08/2024 - 19:16

            @Ellllllys: What state are you in? I got switched to tou when I got solar but was able to switch back when I asked about it.
            I'm in vic, with smart meter and solar.

          • lgacb08 on 04/08/2024 - 20:42
            +2

            @Ellllllys: then you haven't done your research hard enough, you can choose to go with other tariff type not just TOU, and can even select retailer best suit your need because not everyone follow distributor pricing guideline.

    • BlahBlahBlaah on 04/08/2024 - 20:09
      -3

      I guess some have assumed Albo and his cronies will be in power for the next 2 or 3 terms, and the anticipated energy price rise in that period (while Aussie culture and society falls apart)

      • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 22:58

        Would you like me to send you 10 years of pain killers…. while you wait for button head to be ready to build a nuclear reactor in your backyard?

        • BlahBlahBlaah on 04/08/2024 - 23:03

          Quick, tell our Olympians to get out of France, that place is full of nukes!

          • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:29

            @BlahBlahBlaah: I was talking more about the economy of nuclear power than the radioactive risk…. but yep, there's that too.
            Although….
            As of early September 2022, 32 of France's 56 nuclear reactors were shut down due to maintenance or technical problems.[57][58] In 2022, Europe's driest summer in 500 years had serious consequences for power plant cooling systems, as the drought reduced the amount of river water available for cooling
            I wonder why France wishes to actively reduce their electricity produced by nuclear power by about 20%.

            But you're probably right… dutton is so smart that he doesn't need to do any of the research and planning and costings that private companies do… he's so smart that he can say he's going to go lefty and create state owned nuclear reactors of unknown design, unknown cost, and unknown profitability. You can see the halo over his dome if you look carefully enough.

  • Save Medicare on 04/08/2024 - 15:51
    +4

    Wait for V2G/V2H vehicle. In SA you can hook up your nissan leaf and use it as a battery.

    • Kammi on 04/08/2024 - 16:16

      Two tesla Y family household with V2H+solar+off-peak 8c charging 👌

      • leeroys_dad on 04/08/2024 - 18:46

        What is your set up for v2h?

        • WhyAmICommenting on 04/08/2024 - 19:00
          +3

          This doesn’t exist in Australia yet outside of some very specific test cases.

        • Kammi on 04/08/2024 - 20:56

          Hypothetical setup!

          So electricity companies would make more off connection then usage charges and I don't think they like this so any barriers that are up i think won't come down for years to progress v2h.

        • DingoBlue on 04/08/2024 - 21:47

          Possible in SA but cost prohibitive.

  • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 15:59
    +3

    Ive had 13.3kw solar and 13kwh battery installed just under 3 years ago now for $14,000
    Rebates were probably better back then also

    Looking at my graph, ive saved $12,421.53c as of today
    We are pretty high users of electricity and with power prices going up, it makes even more sense to have a battery these days

    As the OP stated, you can charge now with OVO for free during the day and 8c per kwh at night.
    This gets us through 99% of most nights and mornings without paying for peak power which these days in SA hovers around 40 - 50c.

    It all depends on your electricity usage, for high users like us, it makes perfect sense otherwise our bills would br around 1k to 1.5k per quarter. Now its nil or in credit.

    • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 16:10

      Yes but this deal is just the battery without delivery and installation which is equal to or more than what you paid 3 years ago and you got solar panels in the deal included.

      Still not sure how the maths works. To save $900 per quarter the throughput through the battery needs to be more than 25kWh per day at 40 cents/kWh (peak rate). Thats isn't possible with a 13.5kWh battery.

      • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 17:20

        Im just going by what my app tells me
        For reference
        Since oct 2021
        Ive consumed 35275kwh, solar has made 50450kwh
        If i say on average our peak rate was on average 0.35c over the last 3 years (its around 45c now)
        It gives you an idea of how its being calculated. Also taking into account we do consume alot during the day when the sun is out. (Its not all about the battery)

      • Name on 04/08/2024 - 20:30

        Not sure about the money part of it. But you can get 25kw out of a 13kw battery over a 24 hour period. During the day the battery charges and discharges depending on conditions and what you're doing.

        As an example, if your solar panels are producing 5kw and you turn on the oven and toaster and start consuming 6kw. Rather than taking that extra 1kw from the grid it'll take it from the battery. When the toast pops your consumption drops back to 4kw and your excess solar is now charging up the battery again for what was just used. Most people get around 1.3-1.5 factor from what I heard off an installer. But it's not unheard of to be higher depending on how you use your power.

        • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 20:45

          That tells me they're not thinking about the solar when they turn stuff on. Keep usage under 5kW at all times and there's no need for a battery at the above price.

          The more a battery is used the lower it's expected lifespan. Use it 1.5 times per day and it'll be lucky to last 10 years with much more than 70% of its remaining capacity. Just enough to avoid a warranty claim.

          • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:03

            @mysterytal: So in a sad circumstance where it took 10 years to pay off….. you'd be distressed to be left with a free battery setup with only 80% of 13Kwh (10.4Kwh)
            Oh the pain!

            • mysterytal on 05/08/2024 - 00:59

              @rooster7777: Free? Who said it was free?

              I have to borrow the money either from a bank or raise funds by selling income earning assets to buy this. It's not free.

    • bowtiehoon on 04/08/2024 - 19:46

      You would have had to have actually used $12.5k of electricity in 3 yrs to have actually saved it, maybe ur bitcoin mining of whatever but my household spends under $1k a year on power

      • timochy on 04/08/2024 - 20:04

        Our bills were 1-1.5k per quarter before solar, so 12k is definately saved and then some
        We do use more power than usual but these days i dont care
        3 fridge freezers, 2 teens, 20kw reverse cycle

        For someone like you that spends 1k on power per year it’s obviously not worth it

    • cloudy on 04/08/2024 - 20:24

      Ive had 13.3kw solar and 13kwh battery installed just under 3 years ago now for $14,000

      And where was the ozb post?

      Clearly much better deal than this battery with no solar…

  • jrt2020 on 04/08/2024 - 16:14
    +1

    Is this not the usual price ? What is the deal ?

  • Dealseeker21 on 04/08/2024 - 16:14
    +2

    7 year breakeven point based on using the max 13.5kw at my peak rate between 3pm-9pm…..

    Hard pass

  • Ocker on 04/08/2024 - 16:24
    +1

    Numbers go nowhere near stacking up for us.
    We have a 6kW solar system and for the last 12 months, according to our electricity provider, we have consumed a net 11,1948 kW, and exported to the grid 1,265 kW.
    If we had of fed the surplus into a battery it would have reduced our usage cost by a net $215.
    Take a helluva long time to pay off the prime cost of a battery !!

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:08

      So you use about 33 Kwh a day, and have a 6Kwh solar array. That size solar array doesn't stack up…. that's your problem.
      (you also missed out a key data figure… how much solar your array produced over that 12 months, or per day)

  • mooreshady on 04/08/2024 - 16:24
    +2

    I will take it if govt rebate is $8000 for this gadget.

  • Vita85 on 04/08/2024 - 16:25
    +2

    What a ripoff.

    Get yourself some solar panels if you don't have them already otherwise hard pass.

  • Bippz01 on 04/08/2024 - 16:31
    +1

    Origin recently quoted me $13500 for a Tesla battery + installation included.
    Ther offer a 24 month intrest free period as well.
    If we join the VPP for 5 years then Origin is offering 5 years intrest free install with $250 deposit. It sounded tempted to spread the cost over 5 years.

    Interested to hear thoughts??

  • tonka on 04/08/2024 - 16:37

    Can someone mess with my logic here. A battery is just for night-time when panels aren't producing electricity. People in Camper Vans seem to be able to run a lights, TV and fridge over night off a $300-$500 car battery. Why is there such a step up to this at $12K. Even if you needed 10x the performance of a campervan set up.

    • mysterytal on 04/08/2024 - 16:47

      Heating or cooking. A campervan might use bottled gas for that.

    • shaidas on 04/08/2024 - 16:57

      Thats a very simplistic way to think about it since a house has a lot of equipment that is on standby even when not in use.. routers, fridges, TVs moreover if you live in a caravan you are roughing it and you are ok with some cold or some heat but in a house you would want it at the right temperature specially if you have kids… all of that takes a lot of electricity and it adds up even though LEDs ..having said that batteries are way too expensive still ..all you have to do is look at your bill and decide .. Anything with more than a 5 year ROI is a waste of time, specially in the current climate..thats IMO people will disagree

      • tonka on 04/08/2024 - 17:07

        OK makes sense, so maybe good for people that don't regulate their energy use or large family group. Seems there's room for mid range solutions then.

  • GREEN IOT on 04/08/2024 - 16:55

    $12,100 and doesn't include delivery or installation, it will be around $15,000 including installation.

    The Powerwall 3 will be released in this month.

    We will try to get a special price for pw2.

    The pw2 is an AC coupled battery designed for people who already got solar system installed.

    New pw3 is a DC coupled battery which is able to connect solar panels directly and is designed for households don't have solar panels.

  • MojoMiwo on 04/08/2024 - 17:02
    +1

    At 12K fully installed it takes about 10 years to get back the cost.
    I'm waiting for the safer and cheaper Sodium-Ion batteries or better government subsidies.
    It needs to pay itself off in 5 years.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:10

      wait for the new powerwall with LiFe batteries if you want something safer…. tesla has seen the light about NMC batteries.

  • Muzeeb on 04/08/2024 - 17:12
    +1

    I can buy a lot of fuel and electricity for $12k.

  • triumph on 04/08/2024 - 17:15

    My calculation is I would never get the money back unless I change to off-grid. Why? Energy suppliers now charge me $1 every day for management fees, as long as I continue to connect to grid. Right now, on average, with my solar panels there, I only use 3 KWHs from the grid, supply charge is even higher than usage charge.

  • Wozi on 04/08/2024 - 18:23

    Tell him he’s dreaming. Not paying those ripoff prices, get real how is this a bargain?

  • MaxHashrate on 04/08/2024 - 18:28
    -1

    Already got my money's worth from crypto mining haha

  • ozmian on 04/08/2024 - 18:33

    paid $5,800 in 2018 (with SA rebates). used energylocals VPP plan with no daily supply charge so likely paid itself back by now (WFH so powers always being used). don't think they've drawn from it much at all so pretty much been all my usage. believe the plans legacy'd now so moving will suck, they offered a switch to a new plan with a supply charge but rejected it.

    • noz on 04/08/2024 - 21:47

      was it a Tesla Powerwall, or some other brand?

      • tkboi on 04/08/2024 - 22:15
        +1

        Majority of the SA rebate back then people went with tesla powerwall 2.

        I got mine for $4,500 with AGL VPP.

        $0 up front cost, pay $75 a month until its paid off.

        Best investment for my family so far.

        Dont think it was posted on OZB back then cos to obtain the deal you have to be in SA and it was a rebate program.

        There were also many different providers providing different deals during those days.

  • unifex on 04/08/2024 - 18:40

    is this a discount? Seems like it's close or the same as normal price ?

  • Drakesy on 04/08/2024 - 18:52

    Still not financially viable

  • techno2000 on 04/08/2024 - 19:22
    +1

    Putting $15000 in my offset at 6% would halve my yearly electricty bill.

  • DoctorCalculon on 04/08/2024 - 19:45

    At the moment, if you already have a PW2 installed, you can't install a PW3. They won't play well with each other.

  • HappyPuppies on 04/08/2024 - 19:53
    +1

    If this is PW2, PW2 have NMC chemistry and degrade faster than LFP. Mine is 4 years old and has 9% degradation (outdoor, no VPP).

    • DingoBlue on 04/08/2024 - 21:49
      +1

      When does the warranty kick in?
      ~2% per year actually doesn’t sound too bad.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:13

      4 years old and 9% degradation, if accurate, is around expectations of 80% capacity (20% degradation) after 10 years.

  • harshbdmmaster718 on 04/08/2024 - 19:59

    I saw one of these once. for the price it looked really small.
    I thought if you are spending $15k it would be much bigger. but it's like a huge power bank stuck on the wall. it's only 115cm x 75cm but looks even smaller on the wall.
    if spending so much I was expecting something that would be from the ground to past halfway up the wall and power your house for days.
    didn't really know how to convert 13.5kWh to actual house use but after looking things up sounds like it doesn't.

    the marketing photos kind of make it look thinner, so maybe that's why I was expecting it to be much bigger.

    • rooster7777 on 04/08/2024 - 23:13
      +1

      they could probably put it in a bigger box if that's what you wanted

  • Penalty boxer on 04/08/2024 - 20:33
    -1

    This price hasn't changed recently right?

    For those interested in price history: https://www.solarchoice.net.au/products/batteries/tesla-powe…

  • Iwantthatbargain on 04/08/2024 - 20:56

    I love Elon Musk.

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