I Travelled to China - Ask Me Anything

I travelled from Melbourne to Hong Kong for a layover, then spent a few days in Macau. From Macau, I went to Zhuhai and then to Guangzhou. From Guangzhou, I went to Shenzhen and then back to Melbourne.

Here is a list of items I purchased:

Apple Watch bands
Copy of AirPods Pro
Copy of AirPods Pro Max
iPhone cases
Leather bags: backpack, travel bag, laptop briefcase
Suitcase (which turned out to be a bad decision)
Electric screwdriver
Toys for kids
Apple CarPlay for our old car
Dash cam
Action camera
Charging cables (for some reason, my iphone 15 pro max doesn't charge with either of the cable, noticed this even with the cables that cabbies had in their taxis)
Ethernet accessories
Soldering tools and accessories
LED drivers to support long LED lights
HDMI cables (4K 1m for 5RMB each)
I compared prices with AliExpress before purchasing and found that the items were 30-40% cheaper in retail stores.

I made connections with retailers and wholesalers through WeChat.

Here are some tips:

Mobile/Hotel Internet: The hotels I stayed at did not have reliable internet service, so it's best not to depend on them. I recommend getting a good amount of data depending on your length of stay (assume 1.5GB/day). For iPhone users, turn off the photos to save mobile data.

VPN: WhatsApp, Google, and Gmail will only work on your roaming data provider. I had issues connecting to VPN through hotel wifi. I found that Eskimo Mobile and Travelkon worked well with these apps.

Luggage: I was advised to buy luggage in China, so I only travelled with my cabin baggage. If you plan to buy electronics or clothing, be aware that you may experience a lack of luggage allowance. I ended up purchasing a suitcase, but it was heavy, so I recommend bringing a luggage scale. If you need boxes, you can ask the hotel staff to organize carton boxes for you. I also used the Taobao app to order items with 24-48 hour delivery.

Payments: I primarily used WeChat and Alipay for payments. WeChat started to cause problems due to security issues, so I recommend using Alipay. I linked my Australian credit card to both apps without any problems. It's also a good idea to have some RMB on hand.

Hotels: Out of the 5 hotels I stayed at, only one was cheap. The staff at all the hotels were friendly, but the internet was unreliable. If you're a non-smoker, make sure to request a non-smoking room.

Macau Hotel Booking: The prices for the hotel varied depending on the time of booking. We ended up cancelling and rebooking multiple times to get a lower price.

Travel: I used DIDI for local travel, but note that the DIDI app only works through WeChat or Alipay. For long-distance travel, I used the subway (metro trains) and found it easy to navigate once I learned how to use the app.

Interstate: I travelled between Guangzhou and Shenzhen three times. If you're traveling solo, it's cheaper to use trains, but if you're traveling with three or more people, taking a taxi is a viable option.

HK Airport to Macau: If you arrive before 8:30 PM, you can go to the bus terminal counter before immigration and they will organize your checked-in luggage to the bus terminal. If you arrive late, you can take a bus from the HK Airport to another bus terminal. From there, you can travel to either Zhuhai or Macau. In Macau, there are free bus services to major hotels.

On foot: Be cautious when walking as you'll share the pedestrian strip with electric scooters. Pedestrians are given priority, but still be careful.

Language: Language can be a problem, but you can use the Apple Translate app or Google Translate (requires roaming internet).

Booking site: Trip.com was my way to make any bookings related to hotel/trains etc, unless i found cheaper deals on either website. Thanks to @blue_bug for reminding me

Ask me anything :-)

Comments

  • +72

    Is Hong Kong part of China?

    Edit: come on OP, play the game 😉

    • +16

      I'll give you an upvote, but only to counteract the CCP bots.

      • +13

        I feel bad taking the negs away from JV tbh.

    • +5

      No. If you have a single entry Visa to China and want to visit Hong Kong, you can't get back into China.

      • +5

        Well you can now for Aussie passport

      • +3

        From 0:00 on July 1st , 2024 to 24:00 on December 31st , 2025 Beijing time, citizens holding ordinary passports of Australia traveling to China for business, tourism, family visit or transit purposes with the duration not exceeding 15 days, are eligible for visa-free entry from open sea, land, air ports of China. 

        • Can you return to HK on the 15th day and go back to China immediately and have the 15 days reset? infinite VISA free hack

          • +2

            @beefmaster: I don’t see why not.

            I guess it’s a hack but that applies to many other nations that Australian don’t need a tourist visa also, eg Malaysia to Thailand and back.

            • @JimB: My concern is that Chinese immigration might require an itinerary proving that I will leave China within 15 days. The visa-free entry is only valid if I can demonstrate that my stay in China will not exceed 15 days. This can be done by showing an air ticket between Australia and China that indicates the duration of my stay.

              If I only have an itinerary for 30 days in Hong Kong, will Chinese immigration prevent me from entering China because I cannot prove that I will leave within the 15-day limit?

              • +1

                @beefmaster:

                The visa-free entry is only valid if I can demonstrate that my stay in China will not exceed 15 days.

                Incorrect. You don't need to show any itinerary or proof of limited stay anymore.

                I just rocked up to Shanghai on a one-way ticket and 3 days of hotel bookings, which they only looked at to confirm the name of the hotel. I wrote down that I intended to be in China for a week, and they didn't care. It's been longer than that though.

                If you are very worried you could prebook a bus from Guangzhou to Hong Kong for about $10 or whatever

          • +1

            @beefmaster: You can do this between Macau and Hong Kong. Mainlanders also do this between the mainland and Macau.

          • +1

            @beefmaster: this is the 'infamous' visa run. Lots of good FAQs here https://www.sbs.com.au/language/chinese/en/article/australia…

    • +25

      Where is China, is it close to West Taiwan?

      • Where is West Taiwan?

        • +6

          Pretty sure it's North of the West Philippine Sea

          • @A-mak: Is that under Spain?

          • -1

            @A-mak: That is China. Why would you call it West Taiwan when they are obviously not the same one country?

    • +4

      did you mean taiwan? HK is part of china and that isn't much of a question since UK gave it back decades ago whether the HK people like it or not. SAR is just means different laws/taxes/rules

      • You must be fun at parties.

        • Indeed, just gotta pick the right parties

  • +4

    Did you go with the intent to buy cheap electronics/cables over there, and sell here? If so, with airfares, purchasing luggage & hotels, do you expect to still make a profit or does it cover the adventure?

      • +63

        You visited exactly three fifths of (profanity) (e.g. none) all of this amazing and diverse country. Your review is 99% focussed on purchasing random small consumable goods while you were there (fair enough this is OzB) and going to a casino (I have also stayed at The Venetian in Macau).

        But to offer up an AMA on "I Travelled to China" is a bit misleading.

        Perhaps "I Travelled to Hong Kong and the Pearl River Delta and Bought a Range of Cheap Consumables AMA" would be a more appropriate title.

        • When I regale stories of my travel I'll often say "I went to Shanghai" 20 years ago, instead of saying China. I only went to one place, so it sets the expectations.

        • Most people that visit Mexico will say "I travel to South America".

          Regardless the fact that most of Mexico is in North America and only the southern strip is in Central America. Not an inch in South America itself …

          With that fact in mind, OP is spot on with "I traveled to China".

          • +4

            @LFO: Personally, I have not heard from people who went to Mexico call it South America. Most people say I went to the States/US/USA and Mexico. Only if they went to Peru/Brazil/Colombia etc. do they say South America. Maybe it's generational or background though and it changes.

            • @sobriety22: LOL, personally I did and I do.

              We obviously talk to a different crowd.
              Certainly is the ignoramus one.

          • +2

            @LFO:

            Most people that visit Mexico will say "I travel to South America".

            Never heard this once.

            With that in mind, OP should temper expectations. Although they at least had a few interesting stops.

            • @serpserpserp: Lucky you. I heard that so many times is not funny.

              Wish I could video their faces of disbelieve: so … Tijuana is not South America? … You're kidding …

          • @LFO: On a similar topic …

            The SMH has this article titled: Africa’s first high-speed train puts Australia to shame

            Is a local train in Al Boraq, Morocco !!! … yet the whole continent gets the praise.

            It is rather common to generalize like this.
            Not right but common enough.

            "I traveled to China" is just one more.

      • 'i went their with the soul purpose of exploring'

        did it satisfy your soul ? exploring shopping around Guanzhou ?

        OK - I guess that means you can now say you 'did' China … ;-)

  • +60

    Why did you buy so much junk?

    • +35

      Especially stuff you can buy on AliExpress and have delivered in 10 days time.

      • +15

        I don’t think anyone thats running a AMA about a country they visited for a week has the foresight for that.

        • +8

          Yeah, why does op think a holiday to china warrants an ama??

          • +5

            @87percent: Exactly. And then ignore all the questions they don’t like 😂

            • +2

              @El cheepo: I think OP shared some good tips about the current state of digital payment systems and tricks to get cheap hotel bookings. Also helpful reminder about smoke and non-smoking hotel rooms. Overall it's a useful but overly ambitious tittled post.

              • @skillet: I do agree.

                But this is the point why he is copping a little incy bit of flack.

                it's a useful but overly ambitious titled post.

                Imo it’s poor sportsmanship to not answer all questions- relevant or not in an AMA.

  • What identity document did you use for travel between Macau and Zhuhai? OZ passport or China entry permit? Do they have a separate counter to handle foreign passport at Gongbei port?

    • +2

      To clarify, you will go through immigration in Macau first and then walk to Zhuhai's immigration to enter mainland China. The Macau immigration will issue you a paper slip, which is an important document that you must keep until you leave Macau. This slip is also required when checking in at hotels in Macau. In addition to the immigration slip, you will only need your AU passport.

      • A visa? Do you get the slip when you travel from Hong Kong to Macau? Or, only get the slip when exiting Macau and going to Zhuhai?

        • When you enter Macau, regardless of from where, they'll issue a paper Visa.

  • +6

    I Travelled to China - Ask Me Anything

    Did you catch up with Dan?

    • +19

      Unlikely, he's probably keeping a low profile after initiating the CrowdStrike fiasco

    • ROFL, oh how original

    • lol jv, let it go already.

      • -2

        Never, until justice prevails…

        • Don’t hate the player, hate the game. How’re his replacements doing?

          • @Alley Cat:

            hate the game.

            Who changed the rules of the game?

            • @jv: The rules were never changed, but some players were able to detect the edges better and take advantage of them. Just as we are here sharing exploits on this forum. Not all of us see the value in getting a Turkish Netflix sub, but there are plenty who do. Alignment has nothing to do with the rules.

          • @Alley Cat: Jacinta? looks to be doing a fine job, IMO

            • -1

              @ThithLord: Has she turned out to be a female version of Dan? We’ll never know unless there’s another pandemic I guess.

  • Did you buy most of the in Shenzhen? Where abouts in Shenzhen? Is there a market?

    • +7

      Shenzhen is a great destination for electronics enthusiasts. It is recommended to allocate enough time to explore the numerous multi-storey buildings that specialize in different types of electronics. During our visit, we stayed at Huaqiang Plaza Hotel, which is conveniently located in the heart of the Shenzhen Electronics market. This location also offers easy access to the city's Metro Stations, which are referred to as subways.

      • +1

        It's called SEG Plaza/Market.

      • +1

        I've stayed at the same hotel back in 2018.
        Great hotel.

        Easy access to electronic markets.
        I didn't buy much consumer tech.
        Tools, industrial stuff etc
        Buy a few bags full then walk back to hotel to leave in your room and rinse repeat.

        Great trip

      • +5

        Shenzhen is a great destination for electronics enthusiasts. It is recommended to allocate enough time to explore the numerous multi-storey buildings that specialize in different types of electronics. During our visit, we stayed at Huaqiang Plaza Hotel, which is conveniently located in the heart of the Shenzhen Electronics market. This location also offers easy access to the city's Metro Stations, which are referred to as subways.

        Why does this sound like it was written by ChatGTP

      • +1

        Beware of pickpockets in those markets, and anywhere crowded with tourists. The $#! ripped my best pants, I didn’t feel a thing, but fortunately they got nothing. Common problem in China

  • +7

    I was born in China, spend my childhood and half teenage days in China. Now I am close to my 30s and have lived in Australia about as long as I lived in China.

    I think you get around things quite well in this trip.

    • -6

      Are you a spy?

      • +9

        Yes, I will tell Chinese Government what color your underwear is :)

        • +2

          Tell them it is Red

          • @jv: keeping your social credit score high I see.

        • Is it brown?

  • Are you an Australian Citizen? What are the chances of being taken?

    • +3

      Yes to AU citizen, didn't quite understand your question?

      • +19

        They mean abducted by the CCP and used for organ harvesting

        • +9

          Throughout my entire trip, I felt completely safe. I even walked around the quiet streets in search of convenience stores like 7/11 to buy some snacks, without any concerns. However, it's always better to prioritize safety rather than regretting it later.

          • +3

            @tryingtohelp: I'm a Skippy. I lived in Shenzhen for three years and made the markets of HQB my home. I never felt unsafe in that time. I've also lived in the USA. I felt unsafe daily in the USA. Shenzhen is an amazing place if you can handle the weather.

            • +1

              @mjdau: Were you doing it for business, or work?

              • +2

                @tryingtohelp: My visa did not permit work. My visa sponsors always invited me over to explore business opportunities, and I had a good time exploring. (Let's keep in mind that this is a public forum).

                Speaking the language helped (four years of TAFE night school learning Mandarin, and half a year full-time in Dalian).

                I made good friends in China, and keep in touch with them. I miss meeting them face to face though. I think the more you travel, the more you realise that while cultures vary, there are good (and shit) people anywhere you go.

                • @mjdau: When I lived in Macau I learnt a few words but the one which confused me the most was "hawk tua". I'm still not sure what it means. Just that people were saying it all around me. Outside, inside, infront of me, behind me, right beside me. It was very loud and jarring.

                • @mjdau: That's true, the population in China is 1.4 billion, so you can never get rid of shit guys.
                  Meanwhile it's also easy to find friendly guys.

          • @tryingtohelp: You been to tier 1 cities…. I guess you didn't go to tier 3/4/5 cities.. I reckon those areas could be scary in non crowded areas.

            China is different unlike in Australia where the lowlife all live in the main cities and if you go to regional areas or smaller cities there are far less of them.
            While china is the opposite.

            • @ttt888:

              if you go to regional areas or smaller cities there are far less of them

              You might want to pull up some crime stats for regional Australia. Many regional have issues.

        • CCTV cams everywhere.

        • Why would they want an Australian's organs that are by all intents and purposes very very likely useless to any Chinese person because of tissue type mismatch?

      • Are you caucasian?

    • -1

      25%

    • +5

      They use American spelling. I'm not so convinced

    • +2

      Unless you're actively shitting on the government there no one actually cares about what you're doing.

      First time I visited I was really worried about behaving but it turns out to be quite the opposite. There's too many people to police and you'd have to stick out and be a real dick to garner any attention at all.

      • +2

        This. China has only one rule, and it's don't be a threat to the party. Apart from that, anything you want to do, go do it. It's the ultimate capitalist/libertarian paradise. I lived three years in Shenzhen and enjoyed it a lot.

        • +9

          My friends taught me a phrase which is lost to my grey matter which was to be used for any security or police that was "I know you're trying to tell me something but I don't understand"

          They said if you just repeat it enough they will get tired of trying to "police" you.

          Also I remember flying in from Hong Kong to Shanghaiwith a whole lot of luggage and we had to take the subway which has all the scanners for oversized items. My friend said to me "Don't bother scanning the bags I'll deal with it" and so we just walked through, they started yelling something at us and he yelled something back and they just sat down and gave up. He basically said "We've just flown through the international airport, what the **** are you going to find that they didn't?"

          Then you get back to Australia and realise how many ridiculous nanny state laws there are for anything.

      • Wait people never heard of Julian Assange

  • +31

    Ask Me Anything

    If cereal is typically consumed at the start of our day, could it be said that the type of cereal we choose reflects our outlook on life? Just as we select a cereal that appeals to our taste buds and nutritional needs, perhaps it also mirrors our aspirations and the energy we wish to carry through our day. Does the simplicity of a classic cornflake speak to a desire for a straightforward day, while a bowl filled with colourful, sugary shapes suggests a day of seeking adventure and excitement? In essence, could our choice in cereal be a subconscious selection of the day's narrative we wish to unfold?

    • +17

      ^is a cereal offender

      • +4

        Cerealesly funny joke, mate

    • +2

      Don't buy Chinese cereal… if that is what you were asking :P

      • +1

        My breakfast when living in China was oats. Half the oats in the shops in China are from Australia, so it was an easy choice!

    • Did you eat Froot Loops today?

      • In the vast tapestry of existence, where every action and inaction weaves its own narrative, the simple act of not partaking in the colourful ritual of Fruit Loops today is a quiet testament to the myriad of choices that shape our lives. It's a reminder that even the smallest decisions contribute to the unique pattern of our days, and that each moment holds the potential for infinite possibilities and paths not taken.

  • +1

    Which airline did you use to fly to Honkers?

    • The cheapest that was available on my dates was Philippines Airline. the others were costing almost 70% more than this option.

      • +4

        last week my daughter took a Philippines Airlines flight from Abu Dhabi to Manila. she said it was the oldest and dirtiest plane she's ever flown on - she's done ~40 international flights, and also flown jetstar domestically

        • You be surprised some planes as old as 30 years look brand new after some interior reno.

        • +2

          I love your addition of Jetstar domestic as a qualifier of "bad", almost straight out of Garth Marenghis Dark place.

        • The flight from Melbourne to Manila was good, however the return wasn’t good at all.

  • Did you do or see anything interesting or memorable? if so can you share?
    If not, was your trip just to buy 'tat'?

    • +2

      We visited Macau, which was a great destination for both families and friends. We stayed at the Venetian, a hotel that is connected to other hotels. Each hotel is themed after different cities like Venice, London, and Paris. After our time in Macau, I spent a lot of time exploring the Shenzhen market.

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