I Travelled to China - Ask Me Anything

I travelled from Melbourne to Hong Kong for a layover, then spent a few days in Macau. From Macau, I went to Zhuhai and then to Guangzhou. From Guangzhou, I went to Shenzhen and then back to Melbourne.

Here is a list of items I purchased:

Apple Watch bands
Copy of AirPods Pro
Copy of AirPods Pro Max
iPhone cases
Leather bags: backpack, travel bag, laptop briefcase
Suitcase (which turned out to be a bad decision)
Electric screwdriver
Toys for kids
Apple CarPlay for our old car
Dash cam
Action camera
Charging cables (for some reason, my iphone 15 pro max doesn't charge with either of the cable, noticed this even with the cables that cabbies had in their taxis)
Ethernet accessories
Soldering tools and accessories
LED drivers to support long LED lights
HDMI cables (4K 1m for 5RMB each)
I compared prices with AliExpress before purchasing and found that the items were 30-40% cheaper in retail stores.

I made connections with retailers and wholesalers through WeChat.

Here are some tips:

Mobile/Hotel Internet: The hotels I stayed at did not have reliable internet service, so it's best not to depend on them. I recommend getting a good amount of data depending on your length of stay (assume 1.5GB/day). For iPhone users, turn off the photos to save mobile data.

VPN: WhatsApp, Google, and Gmail will only work on your roaming data provider. I had issues connecting to VPN through hotel wifi. I found that Eskimo Mobile and Travelkon worked well with these apps.

Luggage: I was advised to buy luggage in China, so I only travelled with my cabin baggage. If you plan to buy electronics or clothing, be aware that you may experience a lack of luggage allowance. I ended up purchasing a suitcase, but it was heavy, so I recommend bringing a luggage scale. If you need boxes, you can ask the hotel staff to organize carton boxes for you. I also used the Taobao app to order items with 24-48 hour delivery.

Payments: I primarily used WeChat and Alipay for payments. WeChat started to cause problems due to security issues, so I recommend using Alipay. I linked my Australian credit card to both apps without any problems. It's also a good idea to have some RMB on hand.

Hotels: Out of the 5 hotels I stayed at, only one was cheap. The staff at all the hotels were friendly, but the internet was unreliable. If you're a non-smoker, make sure to request a non-smoking room.

Macau Hotel Booking: The prices for the hotel varied depending on the time of booking. We ended up cancelling and rebooking multiple times to get a lower price.

Travel: I used DIDI for local travel, but note that the DIDI app only works through WeChat or Alipay. For long-distance travel, I used the subway (metro trains) and found it easy to navigate once I learned how to use the app.

Interstate: I travelled between Guangzhou and Shenzhen three times. If you're traveling solo, it's cheaper to use trains, but if you're traveling with three or more people, taking a taxi is a viable option.

HK Airport to Macau: If you arrive before 8:30 PM, you can go to the bus terminal counter before immigration and they will organize your checked-in luggage to the bus terminal. If you arrive late, you can take a bus from the HK Airport to another bus terminal. From there, you can travel to either Zhuhai or Macau. In Macau, there are free bus services to major hotels.

On foot: Be cautious when walking as you'll share the pedestrian strip with electric scooters. Pedestrians are given priority, but still be careful.

Language: Language can be a problem, but you can use the Apple Translate app or Google Translate (requires roaming internet).

Booking site: Trip.com was my way to make any bookings related to hotel/trains etc, unless i found cheaper deals on either website. Thanks to @blue_bug for reminding me

Ask me anything :-)

Comments

                                        • @scooba: Yes English is my first language. If my comprehension of your statements leads you to question my native tongue, perhaps the decent thing to do is rephrase your point again?

                                          That would help this discussion immensely.

                                          • @crazycalm1991: Well it seems like you're having trouble reading english and can't respond to any of my points in regards to a totalitarian government that imposes a social credit score on it's citizens and tourists, not to mention the human rights atrocities it has taken part in, which includes Tiananmen Square and in more recent years the treatment of the Uyghurs.

                                            This fake engagement just tells me you're down on your quota this month, I might have to give up reading and responding your replies because I don't want to contribute to your credit score.

                                            • @scooba: All those things you mention are not argument points that are just statements. You are saying 'China is a totalitarian government'. …Okay? …what is your point?

                                              Arguments go something like this:

                                              A + B = C. You are just saying A + B. Where is your C? —- what is your point??

                                              I think you are just being facetious.

                                              • @crazycalm1991: I find it interesting that you won't mention anything I've said. Is this part of the conditioning?

                                                A = Tiananmen Square Massacre + B = Imprisonment and torture of the Uyghurs = C = Totalitarian government which subjugates its people and is guilty of the most heinous human rights crimes out there.

                                                Am I still being "facetious" professor or does it make perfect sense now why immigrants are leaving chyna in droves to come to Australia which is supposedly, a very racist country?

                                                • @scooba: I agree the Chinese government has done a lot of bad. But also a lot of good. The reason I dont mention the things you raise is because it makes no sense to me why you are saying them persistently in the context of someone expressing their travel events there. I am inviting you to express your point but all you say are non-sequiturs.

                                                  This is maybe because you know you have no actual point and just spouted offensive statements without thinking things through?

                                                  • @crazycalm1991: No I think you won't mention Tiananmen Square or the Uyghurs is because you either have family or friends in chyna who'll be punished or you won't be able to return to chyna if you acknowledge those abhorrent human rights violations.

                                                    By all means, keep down playing these events using terms like "bad aspects" and "non sequiturs", but the writing's on the wall.

                                                    Some my acknowledgement of Tiananmen Square and the Uyghurs are "offensive statements", they're only offensive to the drones that won't acknowledge them and who're easily controlled.

                                                    Reply to me if you like, but I won't be reading anymore PRC propaganda from you.
                                                    Thanks for playing and say hi to Xinnie for me👍🏻.

                                                    • @scooba: I have no ties to China. I am a enthusiast of Chinese (and world) history.

                                                      'Down playing' is not the same thing as calling out its irrelevance.

                                                      My parting gift to you is strong encouragement to read a book someday.

                            • @scooba: I don't know about Uyghurs, though the Tibetans and Hans seemed to get along in Tibet from when I visited a decade ago.

                              Australia has a long way to go to accommodate it's indigenous population and treat people with dignity and respect. Go visit Katherine, Tennant Creek when you can, you will be unpleasantly surprised.

                              • @YRT: Oh yes I'm sure that the Tibetan were really happy about the atrocities thrust upon them and how convenient that you don't know much about the Uyghurs🙄.

                                That's right, remind me how racist Australia is towards it's own indigenous population whilst ignoring the human rights violations that chyna violates day in day out, even though thousands of immigrants flock to Australia every month, but the chinese that leave china rarely return to their home country, same as the Indians.

                                Please tell me again how much better chyna and India are than Australia?

                                • @scooba: and that ends today's therapy session. i suppose online forums are good ways for people to vent, or else people might go and shoot an aspiring president, or something

                                  • @May4th: If you couldn't see that coming I've got some bad news for you.

                                    In the modern day weren't Japan the first to do it or do we not include them in first world anymore?

                                • @scooba: It's about can Australia still look inward and address its internal issues, instead of wasting energy on world affairs that has little impact on this country. Unfortunately, the media prefers to direct attention away which should indicate something is amiss here.

                                  Migrants priortise economy, don't kid yourself thinking otherwise. Had Australia lost its luck and everyone earns a pittance, the migration would stop hard and fast.

                                  • -1

                                    @YRT: Yes it's about countries looking inward, but why doesn't chyna ever look inwards instead of monitoring their citizens 24/7. Do you think they ever reflect on the Tiananmen Square massacre or is it tucked away like a dirty little secret that happened years ago?

                                    No only educated migrants prioritise economy and they are a small percentage compared to the uneducated migrants who don't assimilate and actually make some sort of effort to learn english. I mean have you seen some of the posts on here and the broken english they contain? You would've thought they landed on the beach yesterday🙄.

                                    I always love the "migrants are propping up the economy" argument, how many Uber Eats drivers are really needed out there?

                                    Don't forget, thousands of migrants arrive every year to this very racist country, which coincidently has a free health care system.

                                    • @scooba: Finger pointing at China/India/imagined enemy becomes pointless and hypocritical once you look away from the media and instead focus on the facts.

                                      This is the USA version of Tiananmen
                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

                                      Many people do not know. It probably 'the media' tucks it away like a dirty little secret don't you think

                                      Personally I don't buy propaganda from anyone. When I saw that tense relationship between non-indigenous and indigenous peoples in NT, I call that out.

                                      • @YRT: So finger pointing at chyna is pointless and hypocritical, but finger pointing at the "non indigenous people for their tense relationship with indigenous people" in Australia is ok?

                                        Your hypocrisy doesn't go unnoticed either pal, and now you're trying to compare the shooting of 13 people in the US to the massacre of 10,000 in chyna.

                                        This just gets better and better with every post from you, well done, 3 points.

                                        • @scooba: That wiki link has no relevance to Australia. It's just a simple observation that the ruling class of EVERY country sweep things under the rug while attempt to embarrass 'the other'. I'm pretty sure I'm not ruling class (higher income but not UHNWI), therefore I'm not that invested in their ideas and what's THEIR right and wrong. I prefer to evaluate base on what I see, call out hypocrisy fairly and also to give credit when it's due.

                                          I could probably assert that from my observation, that the Tibetans enjoy a higher degree of human rights than our indigenous population there in NT. That's not to discount the difficulties each country faces, it's just what registered in my mind after seeing what I saw. My own little judgement probably worth nothing; you visit the same places, and may well think the opposite as I.

                                          I'd like to travel more.

                                          • @YRT: Oh yes every country has their dirty little secrets, but none are as consistent as chyna and their high levels of genocide, subjugation and lets not forget, spying on their own citizens.

                                            Have you seen what's going on in the Northern Territory of late? Could you see the Tibetans doing the same thing without being murdered?? Yeah I don't think so mate.
                                            No thank you, I'd rather to stay out of Asia, no matter how cheap the trip and yes, opinions are opinions but some of us can't help but notice the raw sewage running down the gutters of the streets in some of these wonderful places.

                                            • @scooba: Thank you for being a good, educable citizen, very well trained.

                                              • @YRT: Speak for yourself lol.

    • +10

      Your prejudice is unwarranted, sorry to call this out. China is nowhere near the most polluted country.

      Try West Asian countries for that award - their substandard fuel and exhaust fumes were so heavy, it feels like you were chained to exhaust pipes 24/7

      Recommend you travel more.

      • +5

        China is quite polluted.. because the West sent all their manufacturing to them. We wouldn't have what we have now and people wouldn't be paying cheap prices for goods if it wasn't for China. We'd be paying picks up random object on desk $40 for a pack of 10 AA batteries.

        But, ChYnA BaD!!1!11!!! YeLlOw PeRiL!!1!11111!! ReEeEeeEEEEEEE!1!!!111!!!!!

        • -7

          Not to mention all pollution and landfill thanks to all those counterfeit Apple products and every other goddamn thing they pirate in their so called "quality controlled and assured manufacturing"🙄.

          • @scooba: Your desperation to paint Chyna as the bad guy is funny

            • -1

              @ThithLord: Your desperation to support chyna is even funnier lol.

        • +6

          How's it look when you look at it per capita?

          • +1

            @ihfree: Because the poster you're responding to has a pattern of edgelording over race and just ignores inconvenient questions, I'll answer that with a quick google

          • +1

            @ihfree: Let not play the per capita game to make things feel good but for the sake of the people living there.
            Its bad for many who live in the cities where the manufacturing hubs are nearby.

            • +1

              @ttt888: Likewise, there's no point going on about "2 biggest polluters" to make western countries feel better.

              • @ihfree: In Western country we are enjoying clean air we don't know have to pretend to feel better.

                In china say what u will. It's bad there.

                • @ttt888: Lower population density will do that. Besides, that's a different conversation.

          • @ihfree: Oh boy, I love this argument!

            Care to elaborate?

            • @scooba: Nah, Google it if you want to know more.

              While on the topic of things left unsaid, anything you'd like to say about China?

              • @ihfree: Nice deflection, but I already know someone can pay for and make a good spreadsheet to say they're 25th of the list when a bunch of people in this thread have already said it's really polluted over there.

                No I will comment on Australia being such a racist country yet our immigration levels are at an all time, hell we even have people illegally landing on our shores, most interesting yes?

                • @scooba: An interest in your own country rather than mindlessly bashing a country a tourist has visited is probably more productive.

                  However, being a racist country and immigration are two different things. That one is too big a topic to take on in the context of this thread.

                  • @ihfree: No I'm talking about spreadsheets that you can pay for or even make yourself, y'know like Microsoft Excel?

                    No it's not too big, people are emigrating here in droves, but we're supposed to be racist as hell, which I find to be ridiculous and hilarious at the same time. I know you don't want to talk about because it's an oxymoron, but it's the wonderful truths, and myths that make for the best debates and conversations.

  • Do you have a visa, or are you trying out that 15-day visa entry?

    • +4

      I applied for the China Visa just before it was made free :(
      Speaking to immigration, they said that AU passport now can do 15 days per entry without visa

  • +8

    Macau - Zhuhai - Guangzhou - Shenzhen… So you barely visited China at all :)

    Which other cities do you plan to visit the next time?

    • +1

      My trip was of 2 weeks, next place is to visit Yiwu, Shanghai and Beijing

  • +1

    So what did you actually see or visit besides shops? I see no mention of attractions besides shops and markets.

  • +1

    the best and most reliable VPN is via shadowsocks. I would recommend using https://500ml.name/ (google them every time as they move between the URLs), it is cheap and reliable, you can even stream 4K.

    I also recommend purchasing a HK eSIM with unlimited data, as HK Esims do not go via the GFW.

    • That is why Eskimo and Travelkon worked perfectly

    • astrill works

  • +7

    8 years ago I solo’ed to Beijing, trained to Xian, plane to Shanghai.

    Highlights included urinating on top of an unkept part of The Great Wall, seeing Chairman Mao after waiting in line with hundreds of Chinese people most of which pushed past me, being scammed by 2 ladies paying for wine and dinner, seeing the terracotta warriors travelling by local bus for local people, doing the plank walk at Mt Hau, being upgraded to possibly the nicest hotel room I’ve ever been in when in Shanghai for a totally unknown reason.

    Plainly my trip can not compare to the OPs as I only bought an umbrella; for $1.

    • +1

      You should do an AMA!!

    • We got scammed by two ladies in Beijing in a similar way. They approached us in Tiananmen stating they were tourists.

    • +1

      You urinated on top one of the 7 wonders of the world… did you give yourself a pat on the back?

      • I am sure I wasn't the first in its 2000 years history. In fact it was an anxiety ridden experience.

        • Im sure you also know that almost every section of the wall was a giant graveyard. Most of the people who were sent to build the wall didnt go home. You just pissed on someone's final resting place. High five to you.

  • +1

    In your opinion, is China much more advanced and safer than Australia?

    Maglev trains, cashless through wechat?

    • +3

      Safer..can’t say. I spent only 2 weeks.
      Advanced.. certainly they are.
      Privacy…govt is watching your every move. Camera ever where, WeChat is monitored.
      Courteous: People don’t wait for the exiting passengers when it comes to boarding the trains.

    • -3

      Does democracy and freedom count as advanced?

      • Depends on perspective

        • No it doesn't. China is a dictatorship and an oppressive surveillance state. The people will rise up eventually against such a government.

      • +3

        Does assassination attempts of political leaders count as advanced ?

        The freedom to assassinate ?

        • We are comparing China to Australia here mate not USA

      • When two parties dictatorship is sold as democracy, the very word loses its meaning

        Sure, democracy sounds good. Though with the exception of Switzerland, democracy does not exist anywhere else in the world.

        • +1

          Two parties, both funded by the same lobbyist.
          Such democracy, much progress

        • +1

          I think I know what you're trying to say.
          I agree when you've got two big parties that are 90% similar always in power it is undemocratic. In fact the whole party system should be outlawed in my opinion. Members of parliament are supposed to represent the people who voted for them not the party bosses

    • +3

      Personal safety? I lived in Shenzhen for three years and Dalian for half a year. I always felt safe (far more than in the USA).

      China doesn't have maglev apart from a German one at Shanghai Airport. The rest of the country's high-speed train network has wheels, and is awesome.

    • +4

      100% safer in large cities. Can walk at 4AM without being mugged. Home invasions? No. Road Rage? No?

      • +1

        ah nothing screams home like a drunk bogan at 4am

  • +9

    Did you have a succulent meal?

    • +2

      a SUCCULENT chinese meal?

  • Thanks for your Post.
    Just a few questions hope you dont mind, just want to do Profiling and gauge the context:

    1) what is your cultural background please?
    2) age group
    3) which other countries have you been for 2-weeks?

    • 4) Mother's maiden name?

    • Context of the OP?… he went to China.

      Way more helpful would be your profiling of the ppl replying.

  • did you find anything made of elsewhere (not Made in china) ?

    • +3

      Myself!!

      • +3

        Made in Australia from imported ingredients?

  • did you say ni hao to the locals and then they assume you are fluent in Chinese and were amazed that you can use chopsticks hahaha

    • +1

      Yes to both, I ate with chopsticks.. ha ha

      • +3

        yeah imagine in Aus a Chinese person spoke English and the locals were like oh you speak English so fluently

  • Do they prefer honey chicken or beef in black bean sauce

    • +2

      pretty sure those are the go Cantonese dishes in Chinese restaurants in western countries

      Although they do still serve it in China, they got better stuff

      • Yup, my sarcasm didnt come through. Its like butter chicken for indians lol

        • It's kinda hard sometimes

  • +1

    Did you ever jaywalk?

    I was told there are cameras everywhere and they mail a fine to you as they can identify you through facial recognition.

    • +2

      I played by the rules, it was my first trip to China, and I didn’t want to be a nail that heads out and gets hammered!!

  • Did you go to any "hair salon"?

    • +1

      Wasn’t needed in my 2 week period

    • He’s bald

    • He was looking for Kamala Harris clothing - her suit.

  • Did you go to the SEG electronics market in Shenzhen ? I use to visit every 3 months and each time travelled back with alot of electronics items & test equipment and once a solar panel as big as my luggage inside my luggage :) it's a amazing wonder land.

    • +2

      Glad to hear from someone like minded.
      I spent most of my Shenzhen time in SEG market.

      Comments from a few people on this post love the quality that is delivered by Temu/ Ali and have this notion of superiority, and that my AMA post gave them rights to be judgemental.

      Visiting Shenzhen gave me an insight about the quality that you can buy, and yet cheaper than Ali.
      I wish I had more days to look around!!!

      • +2

        Sometimes things are cheaper for niche products online.. I've noticed FPGA Dev boards to be that case. But everything else is cheap. got an amazing deal on a Hakko soldering iron station and Rigol scope. During my trips I was a visitor everyday I normally would stay for 2 to 4 weeks at a time :) amazing deals was LEDs at 2 cents or something each.. so I grabbed a few thousand of different colours for some reason :) Quality of products really depends on the factory it comes from but the best thing in person you can check the quality rather than wait for it in the post. I visited so much that I became a regular and friends with a seller there. I just submit him a list of electronic components I need and then his kids race around the market to locate the parts :) I have heaps of atmel and pic microcontrollers as well :)

  • -3

    So how was West Taiwan?

  • How many times a day do you think about the Roman Empire?

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