I Travelled to China - Ask Me Anything

I travelled from Melbourne to Hong Kong for a layover, then spent a few days in Macau. From Macau, I went to Zhuhai and then to Guangzhou. From Guangzhou, I went to Shenzhen and then back to Melbourne.

Here is a list of items I purchased:

Apple Watch bands
Copy of AirPods Pro
Copy of AirPods Pro Max
iPhone cases
Leather bags: backpack, travel bag, laptop briefcase
Suitcase (which turned out to be a bad decision)
Electric screwdriver
Toys for kids
Apple CarPlay for our old car
Dash cam
Action camera
Charging cables (for some reason, my iphone 15 pro max doesn't charge with either of the cable, noticed this even with the cables that cabbies had in their taxis)
Ethernet accessories
Soldering tools and accessories
LED drivers to support long LED lights
HDMI cables (4K 1m for 5RMB each)
I compared prices with AliExpress before purchasing and found that the items were 30-40% cheaper in retail stores.

I made connections with retailers and wholesalers through WeChat.

Here are some tips:

Mobile/Hotel Internet: The hotels I stayed at did not have reliable internet service, so it's best not to depend on them. I recommend getting a good amount of data depending on your length of stay (assume 1.5GB/day). For iPhone users, turn off the photos to save mobile data.

VPN: WhatsApp, Google, and Gmail will only work on your roaming data provider. I had issues connecting to VPN through hotel wifi. I found that Eskimo Mobile and Travelkon worked well with these apps.

Luggage: I was advised to buy luggage in China, so I only travelled with my cabin baggage. If you plan to buy electronics or clothing, be aware that you may experience a lack of luggage allowance. I ended up purchasing a suitcase, but it was heavy, so I recommend bringing a luggage scale. If you need boxes, you can ask the hotel staff to organize carton boxes for you. I also used the Taobao app to order items with 24-48 hour delivery.

Payments: I primarily used WeChat and Alipay for payments. WeChat started to cause problems due to security issues, so I recommend using Alipay. I linked my Australian credit card to both apps without any problems. It's also a good idea to have some RMB on hand.

Hotels: Out of the 5 hotels I stayed at, only one was cheap. The staff at all the hotels were friendly, but the internet was unreliable. If you're a non-smoker, make sure to request a non-smoking room.

Macau Hotel Booking: The prices for the hotel varied depending on the time of booking. We ended up cancelling and rebooking multiple times to get a lower price.

Travel: I used DIDI for local travel, but note that the DIDI app only works through WeChat or Alipay. For long-distance travel, I used the subway (metro trains) and found it easy to navigate once I learned how to use the app.

Interstate: I travelled between Guangzhou and Shenzhen three times. If you're traveling solo, it's cheaper to use trains, but if you're traveling with three or more people, taking a taxi is a viable option.

HK Airport to Macau: If you arrive before 8:30 PM, you can go to the bus terminal counter before immigration and they will organize your checked-in luggage to the bus terminal. If you arrive late, you can take a bus from the HK Airport to another bus terminal. From there, you can travel to either Zhuhai or Macau. In Macau, there are free bus services to major hotels.

On foot: Be cautious when walking as you'll share the pedestrian strip with electric scooters. Pedestrians are given priority, but still be careful.

Language: Language can be a problem, but you can use the Apple Translate app or Google Translate (requires roaming internet).

Booking site: Trip.com was my way to make any bookings related to hotel/trains etc, unless i found cheaper deals on either website. Thanks to @blue_bug for reminding me

Ask me anything :-)

Comments

  • +2

    Having traveled to China for work and also visit family last month, there are few more things that would make it easier for the few people that need to visit China.

    Having Wechat on your phone is very important, because you will be using Wechat for making payment, ordering DiDi and take away food. An other good thing with Wechat is that it takes AMEX in addition to Visa and MC and doesn't have surcharge for transactions under RMB100.

    Have Alipay as backup, but Alipay is limited to Visa and MC only, but it can also act as transit pass (QR code) for Shanghai Metro, Hong Kong buses/trams and metro in few other cities.

    QR/bar code payment via Wechat is accepted everywhere, whereas international credit cards are accepted only at hotels and higher end shops and restaurants.

    For people that wants to take the high-speed rail to travel the country, I found using trip.com (mobile app is better than website) to book the HSR is the easiest, tickets usually issued to your account within 10 minutes. HSR doesn't use paper tickets, gates uses ID cards/passports to scan passenger details and bring up tickets. Some HSR gates at second and third tier cities might not have passport scanner yet, so you will have to use the manual gate where they type in your passport details to bring up the tickets.

    Also, on HSR, there are 3 classes of assigned seating, second class -> first class -> business class. Don't book second class, or you will regret it. The price difference between second and first class is not big. If you must know why, just google it.

    When ordering DiDi, assume the car you get is some shit box in the size category of a Corolla, if you have more than 4 people or more than 1 large suitcase, order a bigger car. The DiDi interface can be confusing, make sure you select the correct category of car you want before hitting the request button.

    • +2

      I've never had issues with second class.. it's like sydney trains, only cleaner

      • Did a short 1 hour trip in second class once, people around was talk loudly on their phone, I can hear someone was clipping their nails nearby…

        The train itself was clean enough most of the time, just the people you might be forced to travel with that are the issues.

        Also, I'm above average size. I barely fit into the second class seats, the extra few cm makes a huge difference for longer trips. Just for reference, the first class seat feels like the economy seats with the fixed arm rest on Qantas 737.

  • +1

    Did you haggle? What is best way to haggle? You mentioned briefly payment via Alipay - is this how you pay for food as well?
    What was the best discounted item in comparison to here that you bought?
    I also hear there's heaps of electronic cars on the road - are the streets quieter?

    • +1

      Certainly haggles, everywhere.
      Live with this policy - The worst they will say is "NO". They shows you the price on the calculator, and in my first few days, i haggled them down to 25% to begin with. By visiting few shops, you'll learn the price of the items of your interest, and will be able to negotiate better.

      Dashcam - I could see huge number of options on Aliexpress, however, ensuring the recorded quality was good, i requested for the recorded videos, and nailed down to the one i liked the most from a feel, and performance perspective, and then negotiated - they started with 400 RMB - never settled anything less than RMB 305 , and that's when i placed the order with them for 5 units as it was requested by family and friends.

      BYD is ruling, and you'll be amazed to see the TECH they have in their EV's. Streets have lot of E-scoots, so you need to watch out.
      The best part is, people don't give looks even if either party is wrong, they just keep going.

  • +5

    From the information gathered from this thread, sounds like everyone needs to be more open minded towards China and learn a few things.

    • +4

      My whole reason to put this post is to forward as much information as i learnt through from my very first travel. Prior travelling, i had anxiety about certain routes, which, unfortunately, i couldn't really find on the internet. And i only learnt by going through the course.

      • +1

        This was the first time you have ever travelled, and you thought you'd post up an AMA on it?

        Nice intentions, but you really missed the point of an AMA. Where you're supposed to be a complete expert with years or decades of experience.

        This thread would not have generated anywhere as much flack had you used a more modest title.

  • +1

    I enjoyed our trip to the PRC. It's an okay place with plenty to see and do. The food can be good but is a bit hit and miss - the same in most countries really. The crowds, traffic and pollution can be somewhat wearisome though. Overall, an okay trip but there's better places in Asia to go to.

    • +1

      been there recently and in some bigger more modern cities the pollution is actually a lot better. the EV boom has helped the make the roads quieter and cleaner. none of the fumes on some sydney roads I've been on lately

  • -4

    You mean you went to East Taiwan? How was it?

    • +4

      Lol someone skipped geography class

    • awkward

    • Google Maps, especially for you, is your friend.

      • +1

        Apple Maps for Tim.

  • You signed up to AliPay and WeChat Pay with Chinese Sim card or Aussie Number?

    • +1

      Aussie sim
      Interestingly, Indian App Store doesn’t have these apps available

      • India banned Chinese software. They are part of the anti china quad alliance

  • +1

    You must had a great time! Happy for you.

  • VPN: WhatsApp, Google, and Gmail will only work on your roaming data provider. I had issues connecting to VPN through hotel wifi. I found that Eskimo Mobile and Travelkon worked well with these apps.

    I am interested in the Great Firewall. More importantly how do we bypass (not circumvent) most of the Great Firewall restrictions?
    1) Did you meant Aussie SIM with international data roaming was good enough to get Google, Gmail and social media apps such as YouTube and WhatsApp to fully working?
    2) Did Eskimo Mobile and Travelkon eSIMs work like 1) above or better?

    Thanks.

    • For WhatsApp, google, gmail, google maps, you need roaming internet. In my case, I had travelkon and Eskimo that worked flawlessly.

      • Thanks. You also mentioned international roaming in your post. Did it work as well as the two eSIMs?

  • Is it true Chinese people have no freedom no speech of freedom no democracy suppressed and forced into concentration camps like what BBC and CNN says ?

  • Yaya this is helpful. I'm looking for specific train information and this is so difficult to find. So I believe you book bullet/long distance trains using 12306

    I've been told to book well in advance (minimum 4-6 weeks) but on the website it looks like you can only book up to 14 days in advance?

    • You are right, I did have issues finding availabilities close to the date, which did disrupt our plans and costed us more money, spending on Taxis etc
      It is always advised to book bullet train tickets in advance, and the upside, even if you miss your scheduled time, you can get to the station counter and ask for availability on the next train.
      Please note, you can only change the train tickets ONCE WITHINT THE SAME day.

      • But how do I solve this problem

        • For interstate travel, look for train options on trip.com, for metro travel within state ( they call it subway) you are most likely be able to find the metro app for that state. I downloaded Guangzhou Train, and Shenzhen train apps on my phone to travel around the trains. If you are going to other cities, I’m sure they would have their apps too.
          Check apple maps for the closest station from your intended hotel, and use the app to plan your trip

          Re your 2 weeks, unfortunately don’t think I know the answer to that :(

    • Trip.com works for bookings on short notice. I just did a few short and long trips.
      I booked one very long journey a day or two ahead, and noticed that some of the sleeper and first class options were booked out.

      For day trips, it was fine to just buy tickets directly at the main stations when I got there. Only downside was that they could only book trains ~30mins ahead, so I had to wait a bit. Trip.com was similar maybe even a bit more than 30mins.
      The 12306 app showed available tickets within a few mins, but I couldn't register on that app.

      Trains are plentiful, eg shanghai to Suzhou seemed to have something every 10mins, with plenty of space

  • Based on the OPs shopping list, thats probably the ideal itinerary. Shenzhen was the capital of counterfeit luxury goods some decades ago but these days, its mostly for electronics. All of these cities are primarily cantonese so its not going to be the best or the worst from a cultural perspective. You’ll need to do a few of the North and West cities to get that. Interesting that Alipay links well to an aussie credit card though, the way the chinese went cashless was like the RMB disappeared over night, the adoption rate was incredible in the large cities which actually made travel harder for foreigners.

    • To be honest, my Indian cousins would have been exchanging USD everywhere if I wasn’t the part of the group.

      I had no issues linking my AU credit card with WeChat/alipay , and I used it to pay almost everybody.

  • We are building a home and I am seriously considering travelling to China and ordering furniture for the entire home as we have ample time. Any suggestions on how can i do this ? Which area has concentrations of furniture warehouses/factories? How can i know about the tradeshows where i can see and order items ? Are there any brokers who can assist me and spend time with me and take me around if paid ?

    • I intended to do the same, but my family ran out of patience during COVId and we had to buy from HN.

      If you are seriously considering hiring someone to take to you places, then I doubt if it will be an easy find. I certainly can help you in hiring a translator, but that’s the only job the translator will do.

      Foshan in Guangzhou is the hub for furniture. All you need is a little courage to travel. Go solo at first, explore and understand the place, may be have your family join you day or two later. Keep your furniture requirements from size point of view at the core. Carry a measuring tape when you are exploring Foshan. Move around for a couple of days, and nail down a few sellers to your interest.

      Forwarding from China to AU is nothing big. I did make some contacts with forwarders who can receive your purchases from your suppliers in their warehouse, and once all ready, will ship it to you. They do door to door as well. Trust me, you’ll be surprised with the ease of the process.

  • -1

    How did you navigate moving through crowds, busy doorways, people lining up, ordering at a bar and serving yourself food at a buffet?

    • If you are referring to a YT video where all Chinese grabbed all the seafood, i didn’t experience that at by breakfast or dinner buffets…

      Just kept my chest up and followed the signs, and followed the crowd.

      I did go to some places where I was the only foreigner, and received some attention from people , may be because I was the only brown there, or because I was using a gimble instead of a portable fan :)

      • +1

        It is probably my unjustified paranoia but I would never draw attention to myself by having a gimble unless I was in a very touristy area with other gimbles.

      • are we talking about Indian brown?

    • +1

      In my experience it becomes second nature to slip by people as others slip by you. I never saw anyone get the grumps about it.

  • @tryingtohelp

    I understand with Chinese APPS you need to sign up / log in with an Chinese mobile number, did you get a prepaid sim card? If you did where can you get them?

    • For wechat and Ali pay, i linked my AU mobile number, and it works without any issues.

      You can certainly buy one from the airport. Please note, Language is a super barrier, and the only thing that i understood looking at the signage was the included GB in the plan costing 100RMB.

      Everyone uses wechat there, so all you need is data. I'll recommended buying Travelkon/Eskimo over local number, as i didn't come across any requirements to make local calls. I'm unclear about your requirements though..

      • For example. Using Douyin (TikTok equivalent), DiDi (similar to Uber), Baidu Maps, GaoDi Maps (the Google Maps equivalent)

        Or even buy / prebook for museum tickets, you will need to sign up / login with a Chinese mobile number.

        I just wonder how you manage around without one.

        • +1

          For Maps, I used Apple Maps
          For DiDi, there’s an internal app inside of WeChat, it works flawlessly.

  • -1

    Keen to know how clean in mainland China? I have the perception that their citizen spits everywhere and dirty…

    • +1

      Well from my personal experience Shanghai is cleaner than Sydney.
      But don't go to rural area.

    • If you go to tier 1 cities and the good areas where the all the upper middle class are of course you wont' see that…
      The problem is majority tourist goes to such areas and reflect china is that..
      The chinese there are no different than the upper middle class singaporean , malaysian or aussies with chinese heritage.

      In Y.T you see a lot of those white monkeys showing the fantastic side of china and then we have those anti ccp videos showing the other side of china which is what many people who never been to china expects china to be.

      Chinese themselves said, usually you want your kids to marry the same status as their family.

  • -2

    What’s your social credit score? Do you start with an amount? I’ve liked so many “Winnie The Poo” memes I think mine would be low if they found out..

    • -2

      Takes someone special to believe in this 'social credit score' lmao

      • -1

        His username checks out crypto inbred

      • +1

        Social Credit System:

        The Social Credit System is an extension to the existing legal and financial credit rating system in China. Managed by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the People's Bank of China (PBOC) and the Supreme People's Court (SPC), the system was intended to standardize the credit rating function and perform financial and social assessment for businesses, government institutions, individuals and non-government organizations.

        It has been on trial since 2014. Xref on Baidu Baike. People on the street don't feel it does not make it non existing.

        • +1

          omg scotty you understand chinese language and you still believe this crap?? It's a credit system just like a credit system here or everywhere in the world. It only has effect when you apply loan, credit card (not a thing these days in China as people tend to use wechat pay or alipay), or do business or employment (e.g. to avoid/prevent someone has conducted fraud or has legal charge in place. again, same here for employment clearance check). It has nothing to do with what the western media has portrayed it to be.

          • @pahuang: Where in my reply did I mention that I believe in what "people commonly believe in what Western media is portraying"? I was just providing links proving that the social credit system does exist, even though it might not function the way some people thought it does. In the end I believe most comments (including @cryptos') are just trying to be sarcastic as this whole "social credit system" thing is just so meme-worthy — as much as all the gun violence in the US portrayed by the Chinese state media.

            • +2

              @scotty: ok my bad. You didn't mention in your reply that you believe it. but given the context, it appears very much like you are supporting (by providing a link from wikipeida as evidence) those who believe in this.
              Unlike traditional tribes are bond by blood or religion, modern government tends to bond its people by certain common value and belief. It's common practice to portray a worse outside world to unite its own people. But there is a difference between exaggerated facts (the gun violence case in US), bias, stereotype (QLDers are all bogan etc) and complete fake shiit (social credit system, concentration camp in Xinjiang, just to name a few) just to dafame the opponent. Not everyone is smart enough to tell the difference.

              • @pahuang: Yeah pretty disappointed to learn Scotty who knows Chinese language actually believe anti china propaganda myth that has been debunked even by western media themselves. Very disappointing.

                https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social…

                Then again with the US approving $1.6billion in anti china propaganda and Aus media typically parroting US media, I guess the average Aussie dun know better. Even if they are ethnic Chinese.

                • @Jared17: Yeah pretty disappointed that someone who doesn't know the Chinese language who took out a 2018 article of the anti-anti-China propaganda? Would you actually believe that there's a possibility that someone is able to evaluate from sources of not just western media, Chinese media but also from words on the ground, actual Chinese individuals talking about what they have experienced, and coming out with a conclusion that there are some systematic problems in China? Or would you just immediately label anyone that says something-something social credit system as falling for the "western anti-China propaganda"?

                  And the article you linked to — written by Jamie Horsley, who is a senior fellow at the Paul Tsai China Center @ Yale. I won't call that as an unbiased investigation. 2018 was also a long time ago. Something happened in between, i.e. COVID19, and we saw how China uses their health code system to prevent people getting on public transport, just as an example. Local government used it in the Henan banks protests to prevent some protesters from travelling — something that you might want to look up.

                  Moreover you can find about social credit system on quite a few .gov.cn websites as well (search 社会信用体系). The descriptions are vague on those sites (like many government sites), but it's not denying the existence.

  • +1

    Shenzhen is a boring city, it's a small village 50 years ago so there are no historical buildings at all. Nanjing/Beijing/Xian would be more interesting.
    But the advantage is that Shenzhen has a higher percentage of young people and may be more friendly to foreigners.
    As for those accessories, don't buy them in retail shops, just go to pinduoduo or taobao (aliexpress in China) or Jindong. Cheaper and better…
    If you enjoy Chinese food, maybe try Shunde (very close Guangdong)

    • If you enjoy Chinese food, maybe try Shunde (very close Guangdong)

      I think you mean Dongguan or Guangzhou not the province

      • Yeah Guangzhou sorry

        • You can use Canton if you want :)

    • +1

      Luckily OP did not visit Shenzhen 50 years ago.

  • what happend if you exceeded the 15 days visa free. is there also an option to extend it

    • If you intended to stay for longer than 15 days, then you need to obtain the Visa before you enter China Mainland

  • If I want to buy a 6-8k watch, is it better to go to HK or Macau?

    • +1

      Either HK or Macau, China has GST where HK and Macau has none.

  • Did you leave out Huaqiangbei, the largest electronics market in the world? :)

    • That's where i spent most of my time, It's Shenzehn where this Huaqiangbei is :-)

  • The 30% of Ozbargain population that isn't Chinese origin will find this useful

    • Thank you for your comment :-)

  • Was the roaming Internet good enough for WhatsApp video calls? Teams calls? Any good recommendations for providers? You didn't need a VPN? Your internet was uncensored?

    • +1

      Since i was using Travelkon Data, whatspp was working without any issues. Please note, you need good amount of data to keep going - i spent almost a gig everyday on average usage. Do turn off your iphotos data on mobile internet.

  • How is it compared to India?

  • Interesting when you mentioned that you used WeChat and Alipay for payments. A few years back when I tried to sign up and use either one of those platforms to pay I was unable to do so.

    A Chinese friend told me only for who held a Chinese bank account e.g. ICBC or something like that are eligible. Do you know if this has changed? Or were you able to set this up only when you arrived in China?

    • +1

      From my trip last year I was shocked that hardly anyone accepts cash now after covid. So its either WeChat or Alipay. Alipay you can register overseas credit cards fine and create an account instantly outside of china. With Wechat if you have an account that was created in China you can only use Chinese cards and if you created your WeChat account overseas you can use international cards. It takes 3 or so hours for Wechat to check & approve your account this can only be setup within china if you dont have a available options. Next time I travel a prepaid china travel sim card would be a must. My company cut off my global roaming (I didnt know at the time) and my wife had been out of the country for too long that Mobile phone providers refuse to sell her a chinese sim card. If you don't have mobile data your basically screwed and cant use wechat or alipay on the go. Lucky my wife had friends with RMB to transfer money via wechat until we got a handle on things.

      • Thanks, time to try it out with my WeChat account and maybe setup Alipay too.

        I'm noticing that many Asian shops in Sydney are accepting payments using WeChat / Alipay and wondered if there's any benefit (or downsides) of using those. Even Chemist Warehouse accepts WeChat & Alipay.

        Some of these shops, curiously, only accept cash and not accept Visa/Mastercard but would have QR codes for WeChat.

        • I think the main benefit down here would be for visitors from China using a familiar payment system or local ppl that keep a prepaid balance of RMB. They might transfer money back and forward from china. Unionpay is more popular in china compared to Visa or Mastercard, so I assume if visitors from china want to use their bank card the venue here needs to support unionpay depending on bankcard.

          Chemist Warehouse would be very popular for visitors from China since popular gifts would be Milk Power/Formula and Bulk purchase of vitamins. Everytime I visit the family back in China those are always the hot gifts.

    • This has changed now. Credit cards are accepted.

      https://youtu.be/pmOaYrIsJqs?si=qA2FE1IIgv_6GOYJ

  • +1

    Colleague at work said when he lived in China with his wife (work reasons), they felt safer than in here.

    They’re both not Chinese so what do you think about this? Do you think his opinions are irrelevant as foreigners would be treated differently compared to locals?

    • +2

      foreigners would be treated differently compared to locals

      Foreigners have always been treated differently from the locals. Sometimes better (mobile SIM that can access sites blocked by GFW, extra care by the local authorities, better pay/scholarship, etc) and sometimes worse (reported increasing racism in some cities). However it is undeniable that at the present time, in major cities, China feels much safer for most people than cities in Australia.

      Public safety has improved a lot over the last decades in China. For example I would not call Guangzhou "safe" in the 90's/early 2000. When I went there in 2003 I was reminded to be very watchful when I got off the railway station. However (1) government had done "something" and (2) people are generally getting richer, which result in much less petty crime and street violence these days in the major cities.

    • Most of foreign bloggers in China have mentioned this. China is high trust society compared to places like SF, NYC etc. They felt much safer in Chinese and Korea cities. Twitter blew up just cuz a white woman said she felt very safe walking alone at night in China, and she was mercilessly attacked online to have the audacity to say that.

  • What is a good business to start based on the inexpensive travel cost?

    • +2

      This is a broader question, and you need to do your own research.
      You could go for furniture, home decor, mobile accessories,
      Car accessories
      Home appliances, electronics etc. the list is endless, as long as you are able to solve the problem and market it

  • How did you make connections with retailers and wholesalers through wechat? Can you provide more details

    • Every shop that I went to, they share their WeChat code and added me in their contact list.

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