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Tabletop Role-Play Games for Palestine - 643 Games for US$10 @ Itch.io

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LMaxPanic on 27/06/2024 - 14:48 itch.io (3589 clicks)
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In response to the ongoing genocide in Palestine, we've created this bundle to raise funds for Medical Aid for Palestinians who work for the health and dignity of Palestinians living under occupation and as refugees. They provide immediate medical aid to those in great need, while also developing local capacity and skills to ensure the long-term development of the Palestinian healthcare system.

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Update: We did it! A total of $203,767 USD (approx. $305,000 AUD) was raised for Medical Aid for Palestinians

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    • alz on 27/06/2024 - 15:29
      +4

      Brainwashed

      • Amr911 on 27/06/2024 - 16:24

        They just want to eat and drink water…to live

    • CrazyTachikoma on 28/06/2024 - 13:18

      You forgot the 3500 Palestinians hostages Israel keeps

      • raydebug on 28/06/2024 - 14:42
        +1

        Yes, I remember Hamas dressed like civilians, but, let's assume they are all innocent hostages.

        One thing I know for sure, Palestine has no chance of winning the hostage game.

  • IanPlatypus on 27/06/2024 - 14:57
    +7

    are there any actual good (or even ok games) ?

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 27/06/2024 - 15:05
      +2

      forget good or ok…i havent even HEARD of any of them…

      like…good on them for banding together and doing something i guess..

    • MaxPanic on 27/06/2024 - 15:11

      It's hard for me to say with any confidence. I honestly haven't played any yet. Most of the authors are first time publishes. So don't expect Catan or Ticket to Ride level of experience and polish. It's itch.io after all.

  • tottenman on 27/06/2024 - 14:58
    -7

    -ve, misleading information, as usual.

  • Fredfloresjr on 27/06/2024 - 15:01
    +5

    FML!!! The Historians are not here yet. Common.

  • cshaiker on 27/06/2024 - 15:05
    +2

    Finally someone speaking . So much shame in future

  • TerryJustTerry on 27/06/2024 - 15:07
    +4

    Bit of a stretch to imply a genocide….

    "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."

    Horrible that people are dying, also horrible that the people of Palestine are being brutally and militarily oppressed by Hamas. The same Hamas that was deliberately trying to incite a response like this….

    Edit: wish the world was more black and white and I didn't have to worry that donating to causes like this would just go to propping up the same group that is oppressing them in the first place…..

    • Justice Edelman on 27/06/2024 - 15:25
      +26

      queries occurrence of / intent to commit genocide
      provides definition of genocide that aligns precisely with what is occurring

      Bruh it doesn’t matter if you're a zionist or antisemite, there's not even a chance one can truly believe Israel does not intend to entirely wipe out the Palestinian state using this as a convenient excuse (you would do this too given the ideological objectives in that position).

      All involved, including those supporting and funding either side, are or are aiding and abetting terrorists. The notion that conflict of any kind - the act of taking a single human life - can ever be justified is disgusting.

      It's 2024 and we remain divided over the stupidest shit that has no role in propagating human existence. We live in post-abundance and need to get the (profanity) over any concept that difference should arise conflict or any other mechanism to absolve that reality; difference is inherent and part of a polarised, entire conscious existence. No degree of ostensible suffering observed should ever entice participation in or support of murder - intervention under the façade (whether believed in the mind of the intervener or not) is no better than instigation itself.

      • TerryJustTerry on 27/06/2024 - 15:34
        +10

        Israel can genocide Gaza within days, they literally control the water ….

        They don't want to destroy them though, hence trying to kill HAMAS not Palestine.

        Ever wonder why the death count isn't… hundreds of thousands or MILLIONS ?

        Isreal are so big and bad yet so stupid and incompetent that they arent just carpet bombing the place, turning off the water, or doing 100 other things that a state would do if aiming for genocide.

        • MaxPanic on 27/06/2024 - 16:07
          +45

          Israel did cut off water. They also cut food, electricity, medical supplies and fuel.

          A brief Human Rights Watch article:
          https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutt…

          Here's a more details analysis:
          https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water

          How you didn't know about this is just a mystery. It was widely published.

            • mr_alligator on 27/06/2024 - 17:35
              +16

              @dins: Since they are apparently too soft and caring…..I wish for you to be treated the way Israel treat Palestine

              • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:07
                +13

                @mr_alligator: Israel didn't start this war and they weren't the ones who kept rejecting every single two state solution and kept breaking every single peace/ceasefire agreement.

                "Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations."

                "The Israelis are mistaken if they think we do not have an alternative to negotiations. By Allah I swear they are wrong. The Palestinian people are prepared to sacrifice until either the last boy and the last girl raise the Palestinian flag."

                "The PLO plans to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews won't want to live among us. I have no use for Jews. They are and remain Jews. We now need all the help we can get from you in our battle for a united Palestine under Arab rule."

                "We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land."

                ~ Yasser Arafat, the Nobel Peace Prize recipient

                That pretty much sums it up. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

              • Bdawg on 28/06/2024 - 11:24
                +2

                @mr_alligator: Maybe you would like to be treated the way hamas treated Israelis on 7 October.

              • SlickMick on 28/06/2024 - 11:56
                +4

                @mr_alligator: Would you wish to be treated the way Palestine treats Israel?

            • Bretttick on 28/06/2024 - 00:09
              -4

              @dins: 🤡

              • dins on 28/06/2024 - 00:10
                +4

                @Bretttick: Truth hurts eh? 🧟‍♂️

                • Bretttick on 28/06/2024 - 00:15
                  -1

                  @dins: "Last time I checked they provide Palestinians with free water and electricity and even medical care and work permits etc.

                  If anything it seems to me like Israel's problem is that they're too soft and naive."

                  Get another booster bruh 🤣

                  • dins on 28/06/2024 - 00:17
                    +5

                    @Bretttick: Seems like you've had more than enough for the both of us. 🧟‍♂️

          • bman20 on 28/06/2024 - 07:20
            +10

            @MaxPanic: If Israel wanted to, they could have wiped out Gaza and the West Bank on October 8th. They didn’t.
            Only one of the two sides to this conflict has ever stated they intend to commit a genocide of the other yet you conveniently ignore this because…..
            There are no saints in this conflict.
            You clearly have never spent time in the region or with the people. Keep drumming up a cause you don’t care to truly understand.

          • TerryJustTerry on 28/06/2024 - 08:00
            +4

            @MaxPanic: Sorry, I thought I was being clear, if they control the water they can simply put something extra in the water if aiming for genocide….

            I am obviously not proposing this or any other violent action by ANY party

          • SlickMick on 28/06/2024 - 11:54

            @MaxPanic: So there are no Palestinians left, and Israel was able to eradicate Hamas, yeah?

        • Justice Edelman on 27/06/2024 - 16:45
          +8

          Not sure where the implication exists that the persons controlling the Israeli state are 'stupid and incompetent' - the reality is decisively opposite.

          Your point is confusing. The US can nuke a large majority of opposing defensive establishments globally, so why don't they? Besides the obvious MAD implications, it's just not a good look; how can a global actor appear to be 'good' where it conducts harmful actions in the light without some semblance of retaliatory justification? Simply, it can't.

          How exactly would a nation of ostensible terrorists garner support and funding where it openly carpet bombed, carried out interference, assassinated interlopers, or intentionally executed allied assistants to remove any chance that truth be observed? It wouldn't. Where Israel openly 'invaded' Palestine (and without justifications of responsive measures as against Hamas [or whatever new guerrilla group they manage to antagonise]), the West could not in good conscience support such action. Rather, a coordinated approach founded in 'defensive' implications and 'resisting' the terrorist threat of Hamas is a suitable guise to present to the world; this not only permits Israeli actions to continue unchecked, but for you and me to accept it in our heads and for the support of global governments to continue trickling in (no doubt for future gifts in the region, whether defence bases, intelligence, contracted cooperation, or any other agreement that is most certainly happening behind the scenes).

          Despite its claim of and apparent insignificance as a nation state, Israel operates one of the most systemic propaganda machines that competes with the likes of the US / Russia / China. That is not to say they are the 'bad guys' - there are none. Israel is simply good at what they do, so of course they should continue in kind to further their objectives.

          The reality is that all links back to the fruitless pursuit of conflict; that conflict has seemingly become unavoidable (bar any 3P intervention by an entity capable of global control, which we are yet to experience). That alone, however, does not mean we should accept or endorer such actions from any individual, group, state, or any other entity - recognising the absurdity of this does not mean dismissing the actuality of today. While it is true that 'that's the world we live in,' picking a side and touting their cause is just as harmful as being directly involved. All is a matter of perspective, and I am certain each side in this conflict believes that what they fight for is in earnest pursuit of justice. Intent and perspective matter for our understanding, but belief in righteous action does not make such action so.

          • dins on 27/06/2024 - 16:50
            +5

            @Justice Edelman: All that to say nothing at all.

            • SlickMick on 28/06/2024 - 11:59
              +1

              @dins: Honestly, I was going to start replying to the rubbish, but then decided to just stop reading

          • DogGunn on 27/06/2024 - 16:59
            +6

            @Justice Edelman: Did you run this through an AI?

            I read it all but could only come to the conclusion that it was drivel.

          • LinkMonkey on 27/06/2024 - 18:06

            @Justice Edelman: This needs to be pinned to the top.
            Honestly the most sane thing anyone has written in the forums in a while.

          • sofasty on 27/06/2024 - 18:35
            +10

            @Justice Edelman: "Your point is confusing. The US can nuke a large majority of opposing defensive establishments globally, so why don't they? Besides the obvious MAD implications, it's just not a good look; how can a global actor appear to be 'good' where it conducts harmful actions in the light without some semblance of retaliatory justification? Simply, it can't."

            This analogy is flawed. The US doesn't just nuke it's opponents because both parties would lose out in the conflict. It's enemies also do not pose an immediate existential threat to the US. There's no reason for the US to fire the first nuke if it's enemies are not posturing to fire it first. It is certainly not because "firing the first nuke would make the US look like the bad guy"

            Israel has been under threat from hostile actors like Hamas in the region for decades who have never stopped firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel's city centres and not at military objectives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Palestinian_rocket_at… .

      • dins on 27/06/2024 - 16:23
        +6

        When you've been surrounded by terrorist infested neighbouring countries/nation-states all your life, hellbent on murdering you and your countrymen, then fair enough to come and talk.

        Otherwise best to stay in your own lane rather than just play pretend don't you think.

        • Justice Edelman on 27/06/2024 - 16:54
          +1

          Unfortunately both sides of my family have lived in occupied countries for, inbetween them, an average of ~400 years. I can see the same hurt in their hearts that I hear in your words. I would wish that on no one, and am sorry if you or your people have similarly suffered.

          That does not absolve the reality of conflict being futile. Conflict is rooted in division over ideologies quite literally manifested to divide (i.e. religion; governmental doctrine; economic policy; class; caste; ethnographic distribution; culture; dogs vs cats [all are just as silly, and holding onto historic or familial affiliations or belief systems in the name of division is absolutely inane]). Single unity of humanity shoukd be the unbridled goal of our generations. That does not mean forced same belief, but entire acceptance and amelioration of hostility where beliefs are not shared. It matters not whether saying that is 'naive' or that it 'simply won't happen' - you do not set goals simply so you meet them; similarly, the objective of global unification across any historic or present (apparent) division MUST be the sole reach for humanity until it is no more.

          • dins on 27/06/2024 - 17:00
            -2

            @Justice Edelman: You don't need two paragraphs just to say that you have no clue about what's actually going on.

            • Justice Edelman on 27/06/2024 - 17:23
              +2

              @dins: Hey man, fair enough. I'm not representing to be boots on ground nor subject to confidential comms, so I really am uninformed (just like any member of the public who is informed by any third party).

              What I will represent and stand by is this: no conflict is or ever can be justified, under any circumstances, in any event, for absolutely any reason whatsoever. One only need stop thinking to allow this truth to appear, along with many others that I, too, never understood before being fortunate enough to stop thinking and start believing.

              • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:09

                @Justice Edelman: So in short you choose to be detached from reality.

                Unfortunately that's not how things work in the real world.

                • Justice Edelman on 27/06/2024 - 18:50
                  -1

                  @dins: My brother in Christ, it is not detachment to recognise the flawed nature of the status quo. Just like you, I still have to live it - doesn't mean I have to agree with or support it.

      • BananaMan007 on 27/06/2024 - 17:01
        +25

        Another way to look at it.
        Israel has the power to wipe out the palistinians but doesnt…
        Hamas wants to wipe out the jews/ israel but doesnt have the power…

        • Xizo on 27/06/2024 - 17:47
          +9

          According to Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, more bombs were dropped on Gaza, which is half the size of Canberra, than all the bombs dropped on Dresden, Hamburg and London combined during WW2.
          The collective destructive power of these bombs are multiples of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

          But, don’t let facts get in the way of a Zionist line

          • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:14
            +10

            @Xizo: In that case I guess you agree they have done an exemplary job when it comes to minimising civilian deaths right?

            • greennick on 28/06/2024 - 12:05
              -1

              @dins: 35,000 dead civilians is "an exemplary job"? Are you for real?

              • dins on 28/06/2024 - 18:31
                +1

                @greennick: So you actually believe Hamas figures of 35k civilian deaths and 0 Hamas terrorist deaths.

                Good one!

          • TerryJustTerry on 28/06/2024 - 08:10
            +2

            @Xizo: Quick maths multiples (more than 1) let's be generous and say ONLY 2 with an estimated 140,000 people in Hiroshima x2 =280,000 people

            Vs 34,900 as of May… as dins said below

            280,000 VS 35,000………

            In that case I guess you agree they have done an exemplary job when it comes to minimising civilian deaths right?

          • SlickMick on 28/06/2024 - 12:05

            @Xizo: So they got all of Hamas, or still need some more yet?

        • greennick on 28/06/2024 - 12:03
          +2

          Israel probably would if it wouldn't result in them being ostracised from most of the world. They're practically going as close as they can to wiping them out without it, dropping more bombs than have been seen since WW2 on a civilian population.

        • BewareOfThe Dog on 29/06/2024 - 00:27
          +1

          Hopefully, hamas and anyone like it does not do it to any race.

      • McFly on 27/06/2024 - 18:37
        +5

        The 'Free Palestine' mob don't like all that stuff (ie. facts, logic…)

    • kenan3cn on 28/06/2024 - 10:07
      -1

      it’s a genocide and nobody cares about your desire to be validated

  • bizzish on 27/06/2024 - 15:07
    +3

    Awesome thank you!

    • Fredfloresjr on 27/06/2024 - 15:21
      -4

      Show receipt screenshot or didn't happen

  • [Deactivated] on 27/06/2024 - 15:09
    +11

    UNICEF and UNHCR?

    https://www.unicef.org.au/donate/children-gaza-crisis-appeal

    Political neutral agencies that provide assistance on the ground. All donation over $2 is tax deductible too.

    Or just donate directly to MAP.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/06/2024 - 15:30
      +9

      For those downvoting the suggestion of donating to the major international aid agencies, would be good to see hear your views too.

      Some of the charities are subpar and often not very transparent on how funds are used.

      • [Deactivated] on 27/06/2024 - 16:01
        +4

        Is this for buying a bundle of "games"? Or what's the percentage that will actually reach the ppl in need?

  • mick123 on 27/06/2024 - 15:09
    +7

    Any money from any of these so called funds/aid/charity etc for 'palestine' is just going straight in hamas pockets (or rockets).
    You'd just be taking the longer route to funding terrorists

    • incipient on 27/06/2024 - 15:14
      +6

      I think saying "it all goes to hamas" is a bit strong, but there are indications that at least parts of some types of aid do end up benefiting hamas.

      Not really an ideal circumstance.

    • TerryJustTerry on 27/06/2024 - 15:14
      +3

      This is what I hate, if I could donate $200 AUD (I'm not rich) and $200 or hell $180 of it goes straight to food for the needy, I would!

      I'm not too fond of the grey that is reality though :/

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 29/06/2024 - 00:29
        -1

        If we sent 20 bags of rice, none of our would make it, unless labelled pork

        • TerryJustTerry on 29/06/2024 - 12:26
          +1

          I hate that so much, no one likes starving men, women and children :(

    • botchie on 27/06/2024 - 15:24
      -1

      so in your thick head the Ozzies aid workers that were killed - "on purpose" there - were hamas ?

    • muddytyre on 27/06/2024 - 15:25
      +7

      Do you have any proof?

    • axlfan on 27/06/2024 - 15:50
      +4

      Oh yeah so you have actually gone and traced the flow of money to the terrorists? Nice.

    • mr_alligator on 27/06/2024 - 17:47
      +5

      Whatever. FREE PALESTINE

    • kenan3cn on 28/06/2024 - 10:08

      That’s awesome

  • bdl on 27/06/2024 - 15:11
    +3

    Ah Sh*t, Here We Go Again

    • WhyAmICommenting on 27/06/2024 - 15:23

      Similar words at the start of “7empest” by Tool

  • niknikniknik on 27/06/2024 - 15:14
    +1

    Had a neg locked and loaded due to the political backdrop of this - but this is for those providing medical assistance.

  • mikokik5 on 27/06/2024 - 15:15
    +13

    Waste of money… not enough quality with the bundle..

    Edit: from the looks of it, these are freeware games that someone bundled together.. no deal..

  • diggityfish on 27/06/2024 - 15:16
    +6

    I'm going to keep my budget of funding terrorism to $0 this year. Thanks though, maybe next year.

    • Willy Beamish on 27/06/2024 - 15:29
      +7

      Far left nutjobs out in force supporting terrorism.

      Does palestine follow sharia law? I hear they aren't too friendly to certain groups of people the far left love to pretend to care about.

      • tightm8 on 27/06/2024 - 15:39
        +10

        I hate everything about religion, but to be fair gay marriage is not legal in Israel as well. Don't look into what hardcore Israeli's think about anyone not Jewish, it's terrifying.

        This is sadly a religious war, both sides are 'evil' if you ask me, but it's the CIVILLIANS that end up paying the price, again, on both sides.

        • belongsinforums on 27/06/2024 - 15:58
          +2

          its evil vs lesser evil

        • dins on 27/06/2024 - 16:35
          +3

          There are a tiny minority of religious extremists in the Israel side but you can't conflate the two. There's clear good and evil here.

          • tightm8 on 27/06/2024 - 17:07
            +2

            @dins: I can do what I want. Just because one side uses AK-47's and the other uses fancier looking AR's from the US, does not make one side 'good' vs 'evil'. It's not as simple as good v bad.

            The Settlers that to this day are aggressively killing and displacing Palestinians in the West Bank, in my eye, are as disgusting as Hamas.

            • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:31
              +4

              @tightm8: You're drinking the koolaid by conflating the two. It's not rocket science really.

              • McFly on 27/06/2024 - 18:39
                +7

                @dins:

                rocket science

                Not the best choice of words!

                • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:45
                  +1

                  @McFly: It was out of this world wasn't it.

                  Hope you appreciate me appreciating your appreciation.

          • RecklessMonkeys on 27/06/2024 - 18:09
            +4

            @dins: Dude, the right wingers in the Israeli government are convicted terrorists. Get back to us when you get rid of them.

            • dins on 27/06/2024 - 18:39
              +5

              @RecklessMonkeys: Honestly I don't know much about Israeli politics but again fringe Israeli right wingers vs majority of the population supporting Hamas and terror groups.

              Again conflating the two goes against common sense but I suppose common sense is not so common these days, so your line of thinking is understandable.

              • bikebot on 27/06/2024 - 19:52
                +9

                @dins: If by "fringe" you mean their government, then sure…

                • tightm8 on 27/06/2024 - 20:56
                  +1

                  @bikebot: Ironically, it's the same argument he uses for Palestinians who 'voted Hamas in'.

                  • dins on 27/06/2024 - 22:07
                    +4

                    @tightm8: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/980

                    Poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) between May 26 and June 1, found that:

                    • Overall support for Hamas in the Palestinian territories stood at 40%, a six-point increase from the previous survey three months ago. Only some 20% support the Fatah.

                    • 46% of Gazans and 71% in the West Bank want Hamas to remain in power after the war.

                    • Support for armed struggle is also on the rise. Armed struggle is considered by 54% to be the preferred option to end Israeli rule and establish a Palestinian state, while only a quarter chose negotiations, and 16% opted for “nonviolent resistance.”

                    • For the third time since October 7, we asked the respondents in this poll what they thought of Hamas’ decision to launch the October the 7th offensive. Two thirds, compared to 71% in March 2024 and 72% in December 2023, say it was correct.

              • RecklessMonkeys on 27/06/2024 - 21:38
                +1

                @dins: Judging by you ad homs I'd say I hit a nerve with the truth.

                • dins on 27/06/2024 - 22:19

                  @RecklessMonkeys: Let's be honest telling the truth is definitely not your strong suit.

              • DollarD on 27/06/2024 - 21:44
                +5

                @dins: Israel's current Minister of National Security (equivalent to Australia's Department of Home Affairs) Itamar Ben-Gvir was convicted for supporting a terrorist organisation; the militant Kach party of Meir Kahane which he had also been a youth leader of.

                He also hung a poster of Baruch Goldstein (a follower of Kahane responsible for killing 29 Palestinian civilians and injuring another 125 in the middle of prayers) in his living room.

                Essentially, it's if Fraser Anning led Home Affairs before it got split after the 2022 election across multiple ministers.

                https://www.jpost.com/israel/ben-gvir-convicted-of-inciting-…

                Israel's Minister of Finance Bezalel Smotrich was part of a militant cell caught with 700 litres of petrol planning to blow up cars during peak hour traffic on a highway in Israel.

                https://www.timesofisrael.com/former-shin-bet-deputy-chief-s…

                Their views are indeed extreme but given the fact that any of the two parties exiting from the current government would lead to its collapse unless new partners are found, they aren't exactly insignificant.

                They have been polling a combined 15% as of last month which would win them 18 seats; slightly more than the primary opposition party National Unity at 17 seats and slightly less than the leading government party Likud at 19 seats.

                • dins on 27/06/2024 - 22:32
                  +3

                  @DollarD: Cheers for the info I'll definitely look into it when I get some time but Israeli right wingers didn't go into Gaza/WB and brutally murder thousands of innocent unarmed civilians just because they felt like it. Nor did they take hundreds as hostages including little kids.

                  • Duck Mode on 27/06/2024 - 23:17
                    +4

                    @dins: You might want to read up on what Israel has being doing to Palestinians for the past 70 something years then, mate.

                    • dins on 27/06/2024 - 23:50
                      +2

                      @Duck Mode: Current situation is all I'm interested in. Rest serves no purpose really other than to learn from. Not going to get anywhere meaningful if you're always looking backwards. That to me appears to be the problem here especially when it comes to the Palestinians.

                      • Duck Mode on 28/06/2024 - 00:54
                        +3

                        @dins: Yeah let's forget everything that happens. Past is in the past :)

                        What a convenient excuse for you to ignore context or root causes and just assume it's about religion and jew hate.

                        • dins on 28/06/2024 - 01:39
                          +4

                          @Duck Mode: As if looking back at the past makes the Palestinians appear any better. I mean we can go all the way back to the beginning if you want. You know where Hamas and co takes inspiration from (also appears in Hamas charter Article 7).

                          "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

                          Sahih Muslim 2922/Hadith 103

                          Sound familiar?

                          • Duck Mode on 28/06/2024 - 10:03
                            +2

                            @dins:

                            While the 1988 Hamas Charter was widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document stated that Hamas' fight was not with Jews because of their religion, but with the Zionist project that expelled Palestinians from their homes..
                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter

                            While there are plenty of issues with hamas, you ignore the daily terrorism and violence perpetrated by Israel in the oppression of the Palestinians. Plenty of Israeli politicians and civilians have expressed their sentiments to wipe out Palestinians in one way or another. They abduct, rape, torture and kill Palestinians with impunity. They have been photographed using Palestinians as human shields. Almost everything Israel accuses the Palestinians of, IDF have perpetrated themselves. Yet you still see them as the good guys?

                            • dins on 28/06/2024 - 18:43
                              -3

                              @Duck Mode: If you actually believe that nonsense then I'm sure you also believe that Hamas and Gazans only went after the "Zionists" and not "Jews" on Oct 7th right?

                              C'mon now.

                              Best way to put it is that if Hamas and co lay down their arms and the Palestinians genuinely wanted peace and a two state solution there would be peace and two states.

                              On the other hand if Israel was to lay down their arms and genuinely wanted peace and a two state solution, in a few months Israel would be no more.

                              • Duck Mode on 30/06/2024 - 16:06
                                +1

                                @dins: You think Palestinians should capitulate to the whims of the state trying to eliminate and abuse them, but you think it's preposterous for Israel to do the same?

                                Oct 7th was awful, but stop acting like things started there.

                                Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center
                                https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-tei…

                                The officer, said to be a member of Israeli's Druze minority, was accused by fellow soldiers of having emptied the magazine of his rifle into the body of 13-year-old Iman al-Hams after she had already been shot dead by soldiers who suspected her of having explosives inside her school satchel.
                                https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-02-08/case-collapses-agains…
                                " An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been 3 years old was acquitted on all charges by an Israeli military court yesterday. "
                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

                                Israel-Gaza conflict: Four boys killed while playing football on beach after Israeli warships open fire
                                https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelg…

                                • dins on 30/06/2024 - 18:27
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                                  @Duck Mode: I think the Palestinians should stop falling prey to radical Islam and Islamic terror groups and work towards enriching their lives on this planet as opposed to some afterlife.

                                  There are bad apples in every society and obviously Israel is no different but conflating the two is beyond ridiculous. I mean for starters in pretty much every poll conducted, over 70% of Palestinians support Oct 7th. That is an insane level of hatred and brainwashing.

                                  No one can help the Palestinians until they first decide to help themselves. They have caused problems everywhere they have gone to whether it be in Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Syria or Lebanon and even supported the Nazis during WW2. The ball has always been in their court but unfortunately they have always chosen to shoot themselves in the foot, quite literally.

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