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Thanks for your advice.
Any good Vitamin K2 you recommend
Now Foods 100mu
Fermented food has a decent amount of K2, kimchi, sauerkraut ect
This is not medical advice 😉
K2 so you don't get kidney stones?
https://www.drberg.com/blog/vitamin-d3-k2-benefits
How do vitamin D3 and K2 work together?
Vitamin D3 stimulates the uptake of dietary and supplemental calcium, which raises blood calcium levels.
While calcium is needed for bone growth and skeletal health, elevated calcium levels can lead to calcium deposition in soft tissues such as blood vessels, tendons, and joints.
Soft tissue and vascular calcification is a significant risk factor for coronary heart disease and other chronic diseases, including kidney disease and tendonitis.
Vitamin K2 redirects calcium from soft tissue into the bones, which balances blood calcium levels and helps significantly lower the risk of calcium deposits in arteries and other soft tissues.
Taking vitamin D3 without maintaining an adequate vitamin K2 status can lead to arterial plaque formation and cardiovascular disease, especially in individuals with a high calcium intake.
Here’s another source for those, like me, who struggle to trust anything from Dr Berg the chiropractor: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5613455/
isn't it better to get this one that comes with K2.
Best Naturals Vitamin K2 (MK7) with D3 Supplement Bone and Heart Health (5000 IU Vitamin D3 & 100 mcg Vitamin K2 MK7), 180 Tablets https://amzn.asia/d/08a25oQA
What kind of blood test should I ask GP ?
Vitamin D levels
You can also wash down your Vitamin D with Full Cream milk or take it with fermented foods or eggs to get your K2 requirements.
"A bargain is a bargain", this is the gospel of the tight ass.
Don't have one tablet everyday unless it's for a short period. Daily recommended is what 1000IU? 720 tabs wth 5000 each is almost 10 years worth of Vitamin D for one person. Even if four adults have it every 5 days, that's 2.5 years. What's the expiry date on these?
dunno why you got negged, this is defs for short term only (for people just after a top-up and no health conditions) and a requirement if you are low on Vitamin D and need that fast boost after being informed from your blood test that you have low levels of Vitamin D. After boost and confirming a follow-up blood test showing Vitamin D in the normal range, returning to 1000IU tablets (1 or 2 daily) is the play.
Exceeding 4k IU in the long term is not advised unless your health professional believes you actually need it due to chronic/severe Vit D deficiencies. In my instance it fluctuates but 2k IU keeps me topped up well.
It all depends how VitD deficient you are. My personal experience with 1000IU has been negligible. I saw results after taking 5000IU over 6 months. YMMV,
Forgot to add that I didn't neg you :)
I've been taking 5000iu with K2 for almost a year now with noticeable improvement in immune response and no measureable sideaffects
DYOR and speak to your doctor if looking to start on any supplement program
the daily recommended is measily and won't affect your numbers
Honestly 5,000 iu should be the minimum, equivalent to 15 mins in the sun.
I take 10,000iu during winter.
So why 1000iu, what is it based on?
I use the weekly tab from local chemists at 7000IU/week, so that's about 1000IU/day. Mayo Clinic and NIH recommend 600IU/day for adults. The NHS recommends 400IU/day for most cases. Of course, do what your doctor suggests as each person is different.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessiona…
https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-vitamin-d/art-2…
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-…
So what if you take 7000iu per week? On what basis do those organisations recommend 1000IU per week?
1000 iu per day will do very little.
@cmoddoo: Weekly tablets make it easier to remember, for me. My GP also recommended the weekly tablet, so I presume 1000 IU/day is a safe limit. I am not a doctor, so I cannot comment if 1000/day is enough or not. It has been enough for me, so I've not looked for other options.
@soan papdi: The safe limit is very very high.. exceeding 100000IU per day if I recall correctly (DYOR)
I took 20000IU daily for extended of time and it did wonders for my immune system during COVID. I still regularly take 5000-10000 IU per day.
@cmoddoo: Glad that dosage worked for you but the recommended max is 4000IU/day. Example https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h…
it did wonders for my immune system during COVID.
My hayfever period has dropped from 3-4 months per year down to 2 weeks. Definite correlation between Vitamin D levels and general mental well being too.
@soan papdi: Don't regurgitate "recommended max" without any understanding.
Health industry benefits from medicating sick people. Sick people = profit. There's much more to be made from Paxlovid for example, than the humble vitamin D.
Don't regurgitate "recommended max" without any understanding
I am referring to documents from government websites and reputed hospitals. I take it that you don’t trust these organisations.
The safe limit is very very high.. exceeding 100000IU per day if I recall correctly (DYOR)
What research did you do to conclude that 100000IU/day is the safe limit? Care to share your research papers and publications?
@soan papdi: Maybe take a look at this recent study
https://youtu.be/V5g9AVqRsjo?si=-_qUrz4Nhrm4plUm
@cmoddoo: Not sure why someone negged you for the comment?
Research shows that Vit D levels affect the outcome of infection. Dr Campbell in a youtube video a while back showed a meta-analysis of Vit D levels corresponded to reduced hospitalisation by ~70% and when hospitalised, reduced death by 50%.
Was taking 5000IU daily during lockdowns (Z Stack Protocol) and when I caught covid I recovered within 24 hours and only had a fever the day before - I attitribute my fast recovery in part due to the benefits of Vit D.
My Vit D levels were tested last week and were too low when taking 1000IU daily (with Vit K2), so I'll go back to 5000 a day.
Doctor suggested 50,000IU once a week but I think a lower dose spread out is better than a large VIt D dosage.
I'm coming to the end of one of these bottles, so I've had one a day for the past 700 days. I recently got blood tests and my D was in acceptable levels. I'm allergic to the sun and avoid it so this works for me, probably not for everyone.
Yeah nah, I've been taking 500iu's almost daily for years. At my latest recent blood test the Dr commended me on my vit D levels and said to keep doing what I'm doing. YMMV and each person needs to assess what their own requirements are. if you are due for a blood test ask your GP to check for Vit D levels while you're there.
1000IU really is nothing like others have said. It has something to do with the laws in this country as I have had many doctors tell me to get the 5000IU ones from overseas for a medical condition I have.
Am a doctor and I can tell you it isn't uncommon to see patients taking supratherapeutic doses of vitamin D. Certainly not recommended and can have long-term consequences for your parathyroid-calcium axis (endogenous hormononal regulation) and risks for bone fractures and vascular disease.
It's a fat soluble vitamin, if taken with meals absorption is relatively high and largely gets stored, so you can't necessarily rely on renal or hepatic clearance to achieve homeostasis. The upper limit of supplementation is 4,000 units daily which is thought to be likely safe. The recommended total daily intake (both dietary and supplemental, as well as ultraviolet but that can't really be measured directly) is 600-800 units, variable by age and sex (mainly age as absorption drops off, as well as pregnancy/lactation). Considering most diets, most people benefit from somewhere between 200-600 units daily depending on season (higher in winter). At the individual, obviously a lot more variable and serum testing should guide your titration… start low and go slow is the maxim for all medications, including supplements.
Personally, my supplementation works out to 450 units per day, with a deliberate effort to include multiple portions of fatty fish and egg per week along with the incidental fortified milk and grains, but with an active avoidance of ultraviolet exposure. I aim for serum vitamin D levels of minimum 50 units (30-300 is the reference range), optimal I like 75-100, and I avoid getting >100 (data starts to suggest the risk/benefit ratio flips at that point).
Please be safe with supplements 👍 Vitamin D isn't the one that gets too many people in trouble (it's more an issue of optimisation and trying to avoid long-term risk), it's the B vitamins that can be really dangerous, particular pyridoxine (B6), never take more than one source of that (it's often thrown into many other supplements, like multivitamins, magnesium, B complexes).
Since you're a doctor, what's this I read about needing Vitamin K2 along with Vitamin D?
@soan papdi: I'm not over the literature on vitamin K (as a supplement - I know it as a therapeutic and it'd physiological role in coagulation). Know your levels before you consider it and keep your GP in the loop, and all the more reason not to get supratherapeutic with the vitamin D.
I should add, importantly..
Vitamin A is another dangerous one, but thankfully the supplemental sources are not that ubiquitous and it takes a determined patient to toxify their liver with it. Some of the herb extracts are a real roll-of-the-dice, you just don't know how your liver enzymes are going to react to repeated daily doses of that stuff - I've seen healthy young patients turn yellow and get put on a liver transplant waitlist, man is that tragic.
@muwu: May I ask is there danger for a once a month B12 injection ? My mum is doing this as Dr reckons it helps with her nerves health, so would be interested to hear your opinion on this.
@sistermay: Sounds reasonable, as long as the patient is getting regular serum B12 levels to titrate the dosing. You probably want to be avoiding a serum level above around the 700 mark, as the benefit/risk ratio might start to flip there, there can be a concern for supratherapeutic levels having an effect on how cells divide, replicate DNA and increasing cancer risk.
@sistermay: I should add it takes years to diminish one's B12 stores, a deficiency doesn't present for a long time. It's why once you return levels to replete (up to optimal levels), you can pull back on the dosing and have fairly infrequent testing. Some elderly just do end up on regular injections (often 3-monthly) because oral absorption of B12 is poor in everyone but even worse as we age, as well as for certain people with problems with a digestive protein called intrinsic factor. My father is one of those.
@EightImmortals: I've never taken a herb extract or supplement with any herb extract, it's an automatic no for me if it's on the ingredients list. I do make a deliberate effort to get curcumin in my diet by finding excuses to use turmeric in dishes, some of the data on its anti-inflammatory actions (may reduce cancer risk) is promising.
Edit: oh, I just realised what you asked. The most memorable one for me was a young woman waiting for a transplant for her liver, a professor sought her out in her private hospital room to really bamboozle us on some diagnostics (he had a habit of doing that). For her it was St. John's Wort. Standardised dosing according to the manufacture. Undoubtedly rare, but she was just a regular girl going about her life and made a decision to take this, tragic
@muwu: OK thanks, have never tried ST John Wort.
I did a quick search and found a paper at the national library of medicine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK548880/
"Despite wide spread use, there have been no convincing case reports linking use of St. John’s wort and hepatotoxicity. In controlled trials, St. John’s wort has not been linked to serum enzyme elevations or to clinically apparent liver injury. Because of its many herb-drug interactions and effects on the P450 system and drug transport and excretion, St. John’s wort may increase or decrease the likelihood of drug induced liver injury from other medications."
Would be interesting to see what else the patient had going on that might have caused the issue? But it is what is I guess, I hope she survived and is doing OK now. :)
Thanks for the advice. I didn't take this decision lightly as the condition I have is very serious so wouldn't muck around with self prescribing even vitamins. When I said multiple doctors I am not referring to GP's, these are all specialists. Everyone is different so you are probably correct when talking about normal healthy people…however I am not normal.
I have had 120 nmol/l for over 3 years now with no side effects besides not getting sick. And this is from someone that use to get sick at least twice a year. Maybe you might want to have a look at this study https://youtu.be/V5g9AVqRsjo?si=-_qUrz4Nhrm4plUm
"Trust me, I'm a doctor", I remember Lammy from Motorhead had a button like that… Be careful folks
You get 3000-4000IU by walking outside for 40mins a day during winter midday. What’s the big deal if you get it from a capsule? Especially if you didn’t go outside that day. Vitamin D is exceptionally safe compared to other vitamins people take. Calcium tablets for instance.
You get 3000-4000IU by walking outside for 40mins a day during winter midday. What’s the big deal if you get it from a capsule?
Vitamin D toxicity is usually caused by large doses of vitamin D supplements — not by diet or sun exposure. That's because your body regulates the amount of vitamin D produced by sun exposure, and even fortified foods don't contain large amounts of vitamin D.
Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h… and also confirmed by the doctor above.
Wearing only minimum clothing
You really need to do a bit more research before suggesting dosages. Recent studies have been done with a group of ppl taking 10,000 another 20,000 and another 50,000 a day over a year. There was no adverse effects in anyway. All three groups topped out at levels of 120 in their blood.
I'm just repeating what I read from trusted sources. In fact my suggestion of 1000IU is higher than what my reading suggested. If you have sources for your numbers, feel free to share. Not to say you're right or wrong and it is possible recommendations will change in the future but such high doses are not considered normal by today's standards, so you should be very careful when saying no adverse effects were seen with such dosages. It's not one-size-fits-all.
I should be careful? I'm only repeating what a per reviewed study. It's you who should be careful advising dosage when it's clear evident from self confession that you haven't done any recent research. Wether you like dr John Campbell or not, he is only conveying studies. He has a ton of videos on vitamin D3 that you might want to watch. https://youtu.be/V5g9AVqRsjo?si=-_qUrz4Nhrm4plUm
That's the preferred method…when the sun is out…and when you get the time to go outside. :)
my doc in a recent blood test says 2000IU a day!
so 2x ostelin 1000IU =)
and my calcium levels seem to be at normal now :)
Whatever your doctor says, they know your bloodwork
Your estimate makes sense. It's a bit too much for 1 or 2 people especially if you don't know the product expiry date.
I know I'm opening a bottle of VitD worms :)
If you wanted to do this, buy this instead: https://www.amazon.com/Balance-Support-Chewable-Supplement-T…
Seems nice. Just want to point out for those with dietary restrictions that this isn't vegetarian suitable
Especially good if you’ve had the jabs
Damnit !
Bought 9x blackmores 150/pack for $13.64… a couple days ago but this is much better !!
Edit: dw it was vit A that I ordered not Vit D3 phewwww
Expiry date?
One would assume it's at least 2 years, anything less you can always contact Amazon :)
Bought one on Dec and close to expired already that's what I remember. Will check when I get home.
I used it couple of times. Issue is the expiry date, these come with short expiry.
In all honesty though, even after it expires it's still usable - it's not like midnight it'll just all of a sudden stop being effective.
No self respecting ozbargainer would throw away anything that's expired. I do the taste,smell test for food and for medications, I have a five year buffer.
I'm still rolling with my protein shake that expired in 2021, I'm still here lol
OMG protein powda! I might even give it more time…. HAHA.
This article suggests that some medications are ok are decades after expiry!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10834166/
YMMV.
These are good numbers.
I personally cop 10,000iu every day throughout winter.
I am also vitD deficient and doc advised the supplement.. i foolishly bought expensive 1 from CW of 1000IU..
Should i go ahead with this 5000IU?
Why not? Doctor's Best is an OK brand but they were bought out by China a couple of years back. If you;re not worried about the cost them the ones from Nootropics depot are quite good also, though not oil based.
Any info on the expiration date?
Haha everyone wants this most importantly bit of info before they decide if they order 1 bottle or 1 carton ! :)
I got this off last deal. Expires May 2025. So in other words it is short dated if you take one per day.
Bleach is dangerous when consumed large amounts
What are you on about?
any suggestions for K2?
Look on ebay. Look for 200mcg, then split them in half, or take EOD. You'll get 2 years supply out of one bottle for around $60.
I have been taking Vit D for a bit on and off.. usually once every 2 / 3 days - so with 5000IU - it is about 2500IU / 1667 IU per day (2/3 days).
The primary advice I got is from here (again - not a health site, but this chap has done the research - of course add your own research and always consider your own health).
The chap is an older gentleman and definitely has made the decision (and suggestion) based on his condition.
https://www.grc.com/health/Vitamin-D.htm
Standard disclaimer:
With any supplement always consider your own health and condition, and before starting any supplement - do consider talking to your GP / nutritionist before starting.
You forgot to factor the D you get from source like food and sun. And the link are based on searches before 2010. I'd say kinda outdated. A quick google shows 4k limit per day. A true OzBer would take half the gel ;) now the only concern is the expiry.
Good luck cutting in half without leaving messy puddle :)
720 gels… is A LOT… I usually buy a different brand (the one the Vit D page recommends), 5000IU but only 120-180 gels - depends on what is on sale / available.
Not sure about D from food intake, but I practically got zero from sun
(I wore jacket/clothing that blocks all sun from most of my body..except a bit on my face / hand)
I don't think that's how daily supplements work (weekly amounts divided/7)
Been taking 5000IU (or sometimes 10,000IU) daily since Steve's podcast episodes in 2009. 👍
Cheers OP!
Does anyone know why there’s a delivery fee for this even though my cart has over $80 worth of items
Are all items in your cart over $59 coming from overseas?
Thanks. It’s not. That’s probably why
Thank you. Perfect for Winter!!
Make sure to take together with Vitamin K2 and get your blood Vitamin D tested regularly.