Is COVID Making a Comeback?

Ok so I've been knocked out really badly. I've had colds before but this time it's different.

I know a few people that are also sick with the same symptoms. Is there another wave of covid in Australia?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/…

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      • +1

        Walking pneumonia is also prevalent at the moment and shares lots of similar symptoms. Best to get a swab done and find out if you need antibiotics etc

  • +14

    I have recently had COVID, I only have a left over expired COVID RAT which was expired Feb this year, I still went and tested with it, it turns positive..

    I thought the test is valid and I am actually positive, because the positive line was not apparent at first and turned deeper after a while, so seems like there's proper reaction to it…

    I took the expired test on one Thursday and bought new test next Wednesday and I already turned negative by then.

    Just like my first time, I didn't feel too ill, I only have bad headache for 1 day both times. To be fair I was well prepared both times, I have stocked Panadol, Nurofen and Strepsils..

    I have quarantined myself both times in my room and have gamed quite a bit… as if I only caught a cold.

    I think I might caught it while riding trains to work, as couple days before I had it there's a dude coughing and sniffing on trains and I remember because I find it disturbing… Idiots who just can't do good things, either call in sick or at least wear a mask.

    • +12

      We can significantly reduce the cases of covid/flu/RSV etc if people are doing the right thing- stay at home or wearing a mask when you have symptoms. Unfortunately most people are either selfish, ignorance or both, they do not care one bit. I have seen it countless time during flights that passengers around me coughing, sneezing without wearing a mask. Is it really that hard to do simple things to prevent the transmission?

      • I dunno, when people at the gym are coughing like they have TB it makes me feel stronger - like I could punch their lights out any moment.

        But like seriously, I even have family and friends that go about their business when they know they are sick. I think part of it is, when you are sick often, it isn't practical to ground yourself at home for days at a time. Luckily I'm still working fully remote so I can reduce my exposure to sick people.

        • This is very true. Having a kid a daycare the first 12 months we have been sick with some big every second weekend. Covid, colds,RSV ,hand foot mouth, gastro X 4…

          Probably a fair bit more relaxed about going to pharmacy/supermarket then pre kid.

      • -1

        You do realise people can cough, sneeze and even have a runny nose without having a contagious virus/illness. There are many reasons why people may have a symptom like this, or maybe it was a one off cough/sneeze which happens to be near you. Which is more likely the case and you’re a drama queen.

        • +1

          how am I (are we) drama queen?

          did we complain/talk shit to the person who seems to be sick? no.
          did we try to kick the dude out? no
          did I deem it's definitely him who spread the virus? no

          All we were complaining is for those who are actually sick not to be on the public transport or at least wearing a mask.

          over reacting much?

          • -2

            @OMGJL: Someone is overreacting here alright. My drama queen comment stands ha

            • @digitalbath: yep, there's definitely someone overreacting and come up with the drama queen non sense.

  • +3

    Can confirm I got it recently and was worse than last time.

    • +1

      Maybe your just older lol 🤣

  • +14

    Got it recently. Made my depression worse for sure. And a ridiculously bad frontal headache. I hadn't had it at all since the first wave and thought I was lucky after 4 years. Really knocked me round. I'm better now though.

    Stay safe and just remember to try and talk to someone if you're isolated or your mental health suffers as part of it all

    • I almost completed my entire COD battle pass while isolation. Should I consult mental health experts about this?

  • I had a cold a couple of months ago and it wasn’t too bad but it did play heck with my sinuses. I took Panadol for a few days. However, it did seem to hang around for a while before clearing up totally.

  • +11

    To quote a modern day prophet
    Don't call it a comeback, I been here for years

    • +1

      I was gonna say something similar. Covid never went away. But there is another variant now and winter is here.

    • Mamma said knock you out!

  • +13

    Woo-hoo the weekly covid thread is back. It was getting a bit boring around here just discussing house prices and the merits of electric vehicles.

    • -1

      Makes a nice change from the “smart meter” tin foil hat malarkey… but, you know, whatever gets the cookers fired up…

      • “smart meter” tin foil hat malarkey

        What ever happened to them. Used to be all over the news, now you never hear anything from them.

    • bit boring around here just discussing house prices and the merits of electric vehicles.

      house prices, electric vehicles or your own body…

      … they're all high-yield investments !

      • +2

        My body's more like a toxic asset.

        • +1

          name checks out :)

  • +3

    Anecdotally yes, seems more people are getting COVID now compared to this time last year. A couple of friends had it go through their families, as did mine. Over four years of avoiding getting sick but it finally caught up with them. All have recovered. I got it in 2022 and am not looking forward to a repeat, if it occurs.

    Interestingly most of them had negative RATs. I had a negative RAT in 2022 even though I had very clear and unique symptoms to COVID and confirmation via PCR test. If a RAT shows you're negative but very sick, don't assume it's accurate.

    Oh, and we're back to the bad old days of people going to work sick. The very likely COVID positive person I know went in to work anyway.

  • +9

    The very likely COVID positive person I know went in to work anyway.

    Some workplaces, the management creates the pressure to show up to work
    and frowns when someone is WFH with snide comments,
    but then when the person shows up, the person gets asked: "why did you come to work, if you're not well?"

    • +5

      Most casuals don't get sick leave so there's pressure for them to show up to work, to earn for their life expenses. This is what happens, irrespective of the loading/ pay rate being higher than full timers.

      • +4

        This is 100% true.

        I also saw / heard, a couple of years ago, micro-managers who didn't like WFH,
        force staff to come to work, irrespective of how unwell they were
        .. into a closed, office environment too.

        The management just didn't like WFH and needed to see staff in front of them.
        Some colleagues were the same too, because in the team-based environment,
        the colleagues also wanted to see their team mates in front of them,
        and not "dodge" the work, irrespective of sick they were.

      • +1

        All casuals get a substantial loading to account for sick leave. Maybe some are forced to choose between going to work while sick or not paying rent, while for others it’s merely a question of buying the next iPhone a week later. We can’t really know the full story from outside.

        At a certain point people need to take responsibility for how their actions impact on others.

        • +2

          Asking Australians to take responsibility is never going to work. It's always someone else's problem/fault.

  • -2

    Sick a couple of months ago for a few days, although did not test. Third time in 3 years, which is unusual for me. Was milder than previous times. Did not take one of the offered countermeasures, but am in close constant contact with many who took multiple. Also noticed this year bodily signs that may indicate cancer.

  • It's pretty typical of winter months isn't it? People tend to be indoors more with a higher likelihood of spreading amongst family and friends as opposed to being outside in open areas in the warmer months. We have seen this same pattern for the last 4 years haven't we. Glad I work primarily by myself so aren't exposed to many people. Doesn't stop rude people not covering their faces when they cough out in the streets though. Nothing worse than walking straight past someone as they cough.

  • +1

    We had Covid 3 weeks ago and were all quite sick with it. Myself and young adult daughter are ok now but my husband is still really struggling. Tight chest, ear infection, lingering cough, etc. He went to the gp and was tested for rsv/flu/covid. Only came back positive for covid.

    • +6

      Best for his recovery. Long Covid can be nasty.

  • +3

    Covid was a walk in the park. Influenza A, however, almost gave me pneumonia.

  • +1

    Recently my whole family got Covid for the 1st time ever. Our kid brought it from school.
    IDK how we managed to dodge it for 3 yrs, I nearly believed we must have been immune!
    For a 9yo, it went easier than a typical common cold, but it hit me and my OH pretty badly. 3 weeks since testing positive, and 2 since testing negative, I'm still coughing like hell. My GP prescribed a preventive course of antibiotics, which did not help much.

    • +3

      Of course Antibiotics did nothing, they are for treating bacterial infections not viral infections. Sure they may have thought you developed a bacterial infection as a result of first getting covid but lets be real, Doctors prescribe antibiotics all the time to make the patient go away and think they are actually doing something. I know people who go to a GP for a common cold only to be prescribed antibiotics because they asked for them.

      • +3

        That likeliness of bacterial pneumonia as a post-covid implication had been properly discussed, the choice was mine, I took it.

      • +1

        I suspect most GPs prescribe antibiotics just in case a viral infection turns bacterial

  • +4

    It’s very tricky. The mainstream view seems to be COVID is no worse than other respiratory viruses - which must be infuriating for people particularly vulnerable to infection to have yet another common bug they need to avoid.
    There are a bunch of people at either end of the spectrum who either are very worried about covid, particularly whether it has long term impacts, or completely dismissive of the disease and only worried about the vaccine, which seems ill considered.

    In my family, one of us has a clinical job that requires isolation if they are infected, so the others try not to bring it into the home to pass on. And we have old relatives we want to see regularly (who themselves are pretty cavalier) so we take isolation when ill carefully, more so than we would have 5 years ago with a cold.

    I do admit I am a little concerned that there may be yet unknown effects of repeated covid infection- there is a lot we don’t know, but not to the point of avoiding gatherings or other normal day to day.
    We’re planning an international holiday later this year, and I’ll get a booster a month before, if for nothing else than to lower the chance of infection a bit and lessen the symptoms, so I don’t ruin a holiday catching it on the plane.

    • +3

      Get your flu shot as well.

    • +2

      Definitely get the booster but don’t kid yourself that it will stop you catching it. They don’t do that.

    • +8

      or completely dismissive of the disease and only worried about the vaccine, which seems ill considered

      I've never had COVID. But I spent 11 months recovering from an adverse event caused by the vaccine. And still have remaining nerve damage affecting my left side. I apologise for being "ill considered".

      • -2

        You were unfortunate. The pre vaccine statistics say you could’ve been much worse off.

      • +1

        I don't mean to minimise the adverse reactions to the vaccine, but the adverse reactions to the disease have been much larger.

        • it's easy to downplay statistical effects on a population as a whole when confronted with individual (statistically unlikely, yet VERY real for that individual) adverse results.

  • +1

    Our entire family got sick recently with covid. It sucked but wasn't too bad, but we were all vaxxed. Have heard of rsv spreading around as well.

    Seems like it just comes and goes - as long as you stay up to date with vaccines you should be fine.

  • +2

    Pop into Woolies and get a multi-rat test - Covid + Flu A/B + RSV. I was sick a few weeks ago - I didn't have any of those. Dr Google suggested it was mycoplasma pneumoniae. It cleared up pretty much after two weeks, but there was some very severe dry non-productive coughing in the meantime.

  • +2

    Are the rats test designed for newer covid strains?

  • +4

    I was at a board game night last Saturday and 5/6 people (including myself) got the 'vid. It's been an interesting experiment because we've all had different symptoms and varying pains.

    For me the first two days were like a perpetual 6/10 hangover. The kind where you wake up dizzy with a headache and can't stomach anything except water until mid-afternoon.

    • +2

      we've all had different symptoms and varying pains

      That sounds like what you get from the long-COVID crowd … we've all got different symptoms, but its the same disease. Which is something new in medicine.

    • varying pains

      That's most likely the inflammation inside the body.

      I had severe pains, in the last couple of years too,
      made me feel like a 80-year old (not that I know what that feels like! )

      I had to take anti-inflammatory medication, to get the temporary relief.

    • +1

      What board games you guys got on rotation?

    • No more twister

  • -2

    In the UK hardly anyone speaks about it. Meanwhile Australia can’t let it go!

    • +1

      Cause in the UK there’s too much dumb shite going on to even worry about covid making the headlines

      • +1

        Regardless it isn’t headline news like here. It would seem that Australia can’t move on . It’s as simple as that.

        • There’s also headlines about RSV and influenza. It’s public health messaging to remind people to get vaccinated where possible or be more careful with hand hygiene masks or staying home. This is to protect the young (in RSVs case), immune compromised and elderly. I also heard a headline about dengue last week. I don’t think there’s any need to ‘move on’ from public health messages to help people.

  • -7

    Meh, it is what it is, vaccinate yourself and deal with it.

    Long covid is largely a myth anyway, as longer-term meta-studies have shown obvious, major flaws with the initial study design (not double blind + nocebo effect).

    Pretty much impossible to actually gauge prevalence of long covid without tricking participants, so there is, by definition, no good study of long covid that could ever be performed. (To perform such a study, you'd have to tell some participants who had covid that they didn't have covid, and some participants who didn't have covid that they had covid, to counterbalance the nocebo effect.)

    • +3

      Long covid is largely a myth

      Proof

    • -5

      Long covid is largely a myth anyway

      Are you allowed to say that? Are you allowed to not blame COVID for everything?

      I joined a support group for the COVID and COVID vaccine injured. Then pulled out when I was hijacked by the long COVID crowd when I looked at the studies and wasn't convinced it actually existed. That it wasn't just something that is a normal part of people recovering from being sick and blaming every ill afterwards on whatever it was. But we simply hadn't noticed because we hadn't looked.

      The thing that got me was long COVID's huge range of symptoms, covering totally different systems in the body in different people. And the victim profile. Even though a lot more men were sick enough from COVID that they died, the clear majority of long COVID sufferers were women. It is classic #METOO.

      • I love the way the skeptics discredit themselves by their own prejudices. They just have to go that step too far.

      • -2

        Long covid is psychogenic and used by people as a coping strategy.

        • -2

          There is actual science that shows a lot of "Long COVID" is actually vaccine injury (the spike protein keeps getting manufacturer in the mitochondria and up-regulated from any immune response of the body) :/

          • -1

            @7ekn00: I’d love to see this science, seeing as long covid predates any of the vaccines.

      • Even though a lot more men were sick enough from COVID that they died, the clear majority of long COVID sufferers were women

        that is logical. People that die don't get long COVID. It's well known that men have shorter lifespans due to higher incidence of several comorbidities - that make dying from COVID more likely. It's also known that women have higher incidence of autoimmune disease.

  • +2

    So it's not just me. I got it for the 2nd time a few months ago and it knocked me on my arse. It took a month for me to get over it - much worse than the first time. My wife got it too and was the same. I'm hearing all the time about people getting it again.

  • +3

    Mainstream big medicine was given a free hand to use all the tools available to kill the COVID epidemic. Shutdowns. Mass testing. Mass vaccination of virtually 100% of the population. Just do what we tell you, and we'll save you from getting it.

    And yet COVID still got large numbers of people, and keeps coming back. With the same people who have had it getting it again, and the same people who've never got it, like me, not getting it.

    Isn't it time a whole lot of the people who said "trust us, we're the experts, we know how to deal with this", and shut down and ridiculed anyone with any contrary ideas, stopped and thought whether there might be something going on that they don't understand.

    And, no, I'm not making any suggestions as to what it is.

    • +1

      Prior to vaccination, not so many infected lots of deaths. After vaccination many infected not so many deaths. Vaccination was not about preventing infection it was dropping the severity of the outcome of being infected.

      If you go back and have a look at some of the antivaxxer “scientists” they were claiming the vaccine made woman infertile. They kept claiming that the pandemic was over, then the second wave hit and killed many more than the first wave. They claimed that the vaccines would kill great swathes of people, now we have billions vaccinated and very few have died from the vaccine.

      It must be very disappointing to the antivaxxers that their dire warnings haven’t borne fruit.

      Maybe it is time you looked into the science rather than your prejudices. Society got back to normal because most people looked at history and listened to the science. The Black Death was a scourge for centuries because they had no vaccine against it. The Spanish Flu killed millions because they had no vaccine. Polio is a startling example where the death and disability rate dropped dramatically after the vaccine was developed. Just maybe you have been doing your “research” in the wrong places.

      No vaccine is without risk. However the medical science shows many more people are saved by vaccines than die from them.

      • +6

        No vaccine is without risk.

        This comment is true.
        Also, all decisions carry consequences,
        hence, what living in civil society is about.

        That word v****ne is a word that is earned,
        much like using the word 'doctor' or 'engineer'.

        Plant-based patties cannot use the word 'beef' or 'chicken',
        because the meat industry said: it's not from a cow or chicken.

        You don't do a Udemy express course to start using the word doctor,
        or start saying you're an engineer.
        Words have consequences.
        ACCC classifies them under "deceptive conduct" or "bait advertising".

        Also, TGA gets 80% or 90% funds from the private, pharma industry too.

        So, a typical jab, before covid, would go through so much trial and regulation,
        before it earns the title of what it does —AND— the company wears the liability for issues.
        The patient takes something, knowing it went through a rigid process
        and the patient has some recourse, if it doesn't go well.

        During covid times, pharma lawyers put many, many governments into a vice or pincher,
        to squeeze them and work out contracts which absolve pharma corporate liabilities,
        and in an African country (I think South Africa), Pf1zer wanted to freeze or access the natural resources of that country as 'collateral' for signing the injection contracts. So, Pf1zer is selling a rushed product, without any liabilities and all governments had to accept what they were getting from Pf1zer.

        If a virus is threatening everyone on the planet, including the lawyers, why would they talk business first, before wanting to save humans (including themselves)? why was 24-hour McDonalds still open, if there is a danger that is attacking everyone ?

        If you saw how the pharma lawyers (eg Astra, Pfiz3r, etc.) answered questions in the Aust. Senate Estimates,
        you would see they are just protecting their business and reputation,
        because to them it's less about health of the citizens of this country, but more about their share price and liabilties.

        • +2

          The mRNA vaccines have been 40 years in development and they were close to a breakthrough with MERS and SARS. Yes being a doctor does come with training, as does being an epidemiologist, which is why we listen to them rather than some dark corners of the web.

          We were talking about a pandemic that killed millions so there was a need to “get on with it”. It is nit surprising that legal people got involved. However, all the dire warnings the antivaxxers came out with, and there have been some doozies, have not come to pass. Funnily enough the people with the qualifications knew what they were doing. Go figure.

          • @try2bhelpful:

            The mRNA vaccines have been 40 years in development and they were close to a breakthrough with MERS and SARS

            Sure.
            There were other more proven methods, … so why weren't they used ?
            Why use a "riskier" and never-proven method,…even during an emergency ?

            why we listen to them rather than some dark corners of the web.

            This is a conflation of what I said.
            The term v****ne is a term, that by virtue, went through rigid trials.
            Otherwise, you don't use that term…even by well-credentialed people, who may have posted under anonymous accounts in the dark corners of the web haha, to avoid censorship and de-registrations by their own associations.

            antivaxxers

            That includes you, them, us, … who did not take the boosters.
            What did people have against boosters, when well-meaning and well-credentialed people were telling everyone to top up ?
            Why are the non-boosted, anti-jabbed people arguing amongst themselves ?? It really looks stupid.

            the people with the qualifications knew what they were doing

            The people with the qualifications are also the 3rd biggest reason why people die,…statistically speaking (before covid times).

            • @whyisave: As I said the people who have the qualifications knew what they were doing. Neither of us is qualified to say what would be considered appropriate or riskier. So where are your statistics on the fact the these people are the 3rd biggest killers. It would be fascinating to see those stats.

              • +6

                @try2bhelpful:

                people who have the qualifications knew what they were doing.

                people with qualifications approve bombs, make bombs, drop bombs, report about bombs, block news about bombs, create tax evasion vehicles, send other people's children and tax dollars to foreign wars while potholes don't get fixed on a road, etc….

                …so, qualifications don't really mean anything, if you see the state of many things in this world, ie. they were all designed, approved, implemented, celebrated…by people with QUALIFICATIONS.

                even with one set of qualifications would prevent another set of qualifications from talking.

                some people with qualifications were dancing in TikTok videos , inside the hospitals…haha

                So where are your statistics on the fact the these people are the 3rd biggest killers. It would be fascinating to see those stats.

                https://wilsonlaw.com/fatal-medical-errors/

                https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading…

                Sometimes when people don't know something, they do trial 'n error on people,
                like IT workers do on a computers "how about you try this?" "if that doesn't work…try this?"

                It's OK to say "I don't know".

        • +3

          Pharma lawyers, like all lawyers, are legally required to represent their client to the best of their ability.

          Of course pharmaceutical corporations only care about money, that is what corporations do.

          The government needed a treatment for COVID and picked the best available at the time, which was the AZ vaccine as it came with the added benefit of giving Australians a job.

          When it's side effect profile was found to be unsuited the government had to waste more money and order the Pfizer vaccine.

          It wasn't the pharmaceutical companies that decided to give emergency authorisation to a vaccine, it was our health regulators, using the best evidence available at the time. Pharmaceutical companies are required to protect themselves from unforseen legal liability, the government can't force them to be potentially liable for a class action lawsuit that could bankrupt them. They can't guarantee there are no unforseen side effects that might take time to develop, regardless how unlikely they would be. Their only option would be to refuse to supply the vaccine unless they had legal indemnity.

          To this day I have never seen any evidence that the decisions of our government were not the best course of action based on the information available at the time. Any cricisism using information that didn't exist until later is pointless and irrelevant. Antivaxers seem to believe that the information that was released later in the media was secretly known earlier by governments, they just can't accept that we live in an imperfect world.

          • +3

            @greatlamp:

            The government needed a treatment for COVID

            Different medical practitioners in different parts of the world, treated the symptoms differently.

            An injection wasn't a "treatment", but I guess…repeated injections, ended up becoming a kind of 'subscription' service for pharma companies, as some kind of treatment plan.

            The messaging varied from if you get it, you won't transmit or catch it,
            but you might and if you did, it would lessen the risk of repeated infection,
            or reduced symptoms, etc. etc.
            Everyone was stressed and under pressure.

            Whenever a doctor within an establishment was treating the symptoms, that they were trained as doctors to treat, ie. against the symptoms, many could not follow their instincts.
            They were pressured to follow protocols / work instructions, because the W.H.O. had declared a certain novel virus needed a new treatment plan.
            That's what the majority of the developed world did, follow protocols that were handed from top-down.
            In other poorer countries, the doctors just treated people using their own knowledge and common sense, with whatever low-risk medications they had.

            If you know any hospital staff, ask them…they all follow strict protocols.
            Those protocols come from a variety of sources, eg. medical, legal, cultural, economical, social, spatial (when it comes to beds in wards), etc.
            Existing protocols could not be followed, during a W.H.O. declaration.

            When there is a danger looming, you don't think of following rules. You just do something to save yourself and others. Even in First Aid, they teach you to do what is instinct, instead of following protocols or rules (well, the 1st rule they say, is to obtain the consent of the person you're treating,
            but that's also not always practical )

            The government was telling everyone to wash their hands, socially distance and that was about it.
            At the same time, waiting for companies to come up with some prophylaxis to prevent contracting & transmitting the virus, but telling anyone who is inside the system…to follow the system's protocols or else, face disciplinary action.

            Now, everyone talks about "oh,…I got covid"…but no one says, "…but did you wash your hands?" , "stay at home"
            It's been a few years now, and no one talks about washing hands anymore.

            A funny story with me, was in February 2020, I returned from Asia.
            Covid wasn't a thing then, but I knew something bad was happening in China at that time.
            So, in my own initiative, I self-isolated for 14-days,…and didn't go out.
            My friends were angry, laughing, mocking and insulting me, for not meeting them.

            In fact, no one even really says how important it is to get Vitamin D3 or going out to get some sun,
            fresh air, eating healthy vegetables … it's as if, if there's no commercial, profit-making from something, that advice is not really given on a commercial airwaves.

            I used to see adverts for Slip, Slop, Slap…20 or 30 years ago.
            What is the public health messaging for staying healthy against flus, that does not involve a corporate interest ?
            Maybe, there could be a bad link now between sunscreen and some sicknesses….I don't know; I'm just surmising.

            to give emergency authorisation to a vaccine, it was our health regulators

            the interesting tidbit that came out, in the last couple of years,
            is that the TGA is 80% or 90% funded by private pharmaceutical companies.

            OpenForum
            https://www.openforum.com.au/drug-regulators-in-the-pocket-o…

            British Medical Journal
            https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/investigation-are-drug-…

            Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) firmly denies that its almost exclusive reliance on pharmaceutical industry funding is a conflict of interest (COI). But in Australia, experts have called for a complete overhaul of the TGA’s structure and function, arguing that the agency has become too close to industry.

            Even if you look at ASIC, which is supposed to "rEgULaTe" corporate governance and behaviours in Australia, have done a poor job of REGULATING, that it's currently in serious heat in the Aust. Parliament. Check the Senate Estimates meeting minutes, and there's an inquiry currently in the works, and the expectation of this inquiry in a couple of months' time, is to disband the ASIC completely. That's the expectation.
            That's how bad the "regulators" are not "regulating".

            Similary, the TGA might end up in some kind of inquiry in the future, and we could have a forum thread about it in the future…and say "oh,…in 2024 June, that evidence was the 'best' at that time, available to them to make decisions".
            It's just weird that regulators get money from the companies they are supposed to referee, regulate and write policies for.
            In the USA, the CDC bigwigs work for pharma companies after the CDC and even move from pharma to the CDC.
            The lines between government and corporate is blurry, if people move between private and public interests so easily.

            The head of the TGA that made decisions in the last few years, has also moved from his job too, so would any inquiry in the future, retrospectively interrogate all these key decision-makers ?

            Only the Royal Commission could investigate such a big happening in Australia,
            and this is being avoided for some reasons, even though in the Senate Estimates,
            they've written up the "terms of reference" for a future Royal Commission into the covid response.

            There has been Royal Commissions against gambling, banking sector, aged-care, etc…
            All those people who lobbied for a Royal Commission , were also verbally bullied or threatened or called names. They didn't OzB forums to be called names, but they would found themselves in a corner.
            ( There's a notable person, that FriendlyJ0rdiez intereviewed about the gambling industry )

            I digress !

            Antivaxers seem to believe …

            That's nearly ALL of the Australian population, because many did not take the boosters that were recommended by the health experts. So, if you didn't take the boosters, you're an anti-jab and so,
            why are all the anti-jabbers discussing amongst themselves? Haha… It looks and sounds weird

            What's weirder is having discussions but needing to create labels for anyone that is "not me", ie.
            anti-jab, anti-shemite, Russophobe, woke mob, pro-Khamas, pinko, etc. etc. etc.
            It's resorting to name-calling and we just want objective discussions.

            PS:
            Here's something that was admitted in the UK.
            It's quite a shocking news,…and revealed decades later.

            30,000 people in the UK were given infected blood products over 20 years,
            resulting in 3000 deaths (so far)
            https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q1235

            So, it's just a matter of time, for all of us to figure out something or other,
            to find out decades later.
            However, some pharma companies fought in court NOT to release any information for 30years? 50 years? 75 years?
            These are just red-flags that don't sit well, with the public.

            • -1

              @whyisave:

              It's been a few years now, and no one talks about washing hands anymore.

              In fact, no one even really says how important it is to get Vitamin D3 or going out to get some sun,
              fresh air, eating healthy vegetables

              Jesus f christ. Do you think the gov should also spend millions reminding people to wipe their ass after going to the toilet? Do we really need to be treated like children with zero common sense and needing constant reminding?

              This is unhinged.

  • FEAR … False Evidence Appearing Real.

    • +6

      FEAR … Fragile Egos Avoiding Reality.

      • -1

        You mean like the fragile egos who adamantly refuse to even entertain the possibility that they were coerced into taking experimental gene therapies masquerading as "vaccines" without informed consent because of a massive psychological warfare campaign?

        • -2

          You're the one that replied to the comment. That says it all really.

        • What about the fragile egos who adamantly refuse to even entertain the possibility that they were coerced into continually talking about experimental gene therapies masquerading as "vaccines", without any scientific or medical education, because of a massive psychological click bait campaign?

          • -3

            @SBOB: Good parakeet! Have a cracker Polly and go back into your cage now, we'll let you out to spam your copy-pasta responses to more triggering comments another day.

  • +1

    My family caught it for the first time around a month ago; kid that caught it first; it was their second time. Kids got over it in a day. It took us 2-3 days and then a week for the nose to clear.

    COVID impact was clear from Garmin Connect, can see clearly RHR and stress (HRV) going up for the 2-3 days and then coming down again back to normal.

    We're not letting the kids self test, they don't do it properly and infect everyone else.

  • Never left lol

  • +2

    It always starts during this time of year. https://www.flutracking.net/Info/Report/202423/AU

    If you are in Sydney, there is a super spreader event called Vivid happening right now.

    • Yeah, that's really Flirting with disaster.

  • +1

    I've never had covid

    • +2

      Please be careful.

      One of the symptoms is having no symptoms.

  • +1

    is the sky still blue?

    • +2

      Who decides what 'blue' actually is? We've been told and have been brainwashed by the Gov since we were children that 'blue' is like the sky or blueberry. We should start questioning! :)

      • Colour only exists in the mind.

        The surface absorbs colours and reflects the rest,
        and our eyes capture this light, creating that colour ONLY IN THE MIND.

        • -1

          Who even decides that was a colour? What a sheep!

          • +1

            @Ughhh: I've done my own research about blue.

            here is a paper from wackjob.wordpress.net.ca that supports my theory because it says green is actually yellow.

            all the people who are convinced that they know blue are just showing confirmation bias. my research shows I'm right….if you read between the lines.

            • @altomic: As long as youre not the Gov, nasa, Big Colour, MSM and youre just a small blogger, I will 100% believe your conclusion. Only big fishes want to make money.

              • @Ughhh: there was a guy in america who built a machine thought could prove blue, but then he mysteriously died and the invention disappeared. - Big Colour is behind it!!!!

                here is a grainy photo of a guy standing in front of machine with vacuum tubes sticking out of it - this proves every thing I say.

          • @Ughhh: The rods and cones at the back of your eyeball, react to the light hitting your retina, and your brain processes these signals.

            The world is blander than you think,
            and all colour is formed inside the brain.
            So, animals like dogs or cats or even bees, "see" colour differently (bees see ultraviolet light too).

            PS:
            Ex-housemate did PhD in vision.

            • +1

              @whyisave: If you can't tell what is a joke…..

              • @Ughhh: Sorry, I might have undiagnosed autism.

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