Make It Difficult for People in Their Lives and They Get Vaccinated

During a House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus hearing Monday, Rep. Rich McCormick (R-GA) questioned Dr. Fauci on a statement on vaccine requirements he made during a recorded interview.

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“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated.” Official Quote by Anthony Stephen Fauci

Note: When Fauci says proven, he is clearly referring to the science behind psychological manipulating the public. He says he is a man of science, so people should hold him to that.

Just a few years ago Fauci was crowning himself as the "King of Science". This includes the famous quote where he stated that if you disagree with him, you are disagreeing with science.

It might be your first time hearing these shocking comments by Fauci, but this is him behind the mask.

So what does it mean for Australia?

Undoubtedly these same types of scientific types of people that rise to the top of bureaucratic government positions all over the world. I suspect that this is because most people they grow up in school and they think science is easy. Students just repeat what is in the textbook and they score high marks because they can regurgitate facts and memorise a formula. By the way if you didn't realise, that is not real science and just shows how poorly structured the current educational system is as it emphasises the regurgitation of facts.

People forget the Therapeutic Goods Administration is not an independent organisation. There is nothing special about the people inside that organisation, maybe they learned a few extra years of some topic at university and I hope they at least are at a standard to which they have written a thesis which is basically a long essay on a specialised topic. Some thesis papers are absolutely garbage in my opinion. But most importantly it reveals that these types of people are just ordinary people. They are just government workers to be more specific. They know very little and more critically they especially know nothing about a new pandemic. They know nothing more than the average citizen. Governments should not be given the right to control how people behave in a pandemic.

The problem is this lack of knowledge is not just constrained to scientists, but humans in general. I have met many barristers and solicitors, even former judges. Believe it or not sometimes cannot even recall the facts of a case I mention or recall key legislation in their field of expertise after a bit of uhm and ahing. If you told me if I remembered some facts of an obscure case I would probably tell you, "I am not sure myself, I believe it was something involving some type of snail-like object in the bottle, but I would not commit myself to that". However, you will often notice that because of the immunity granted to bureaucrats that they will not be frank and honest with you about what they don't know. This is why you cannot trust the government.

This is why it is my opinion that the public should focus on replacing government with uncensored artificial intelligence. People should not be scared of it. This is the reality that faces us and I don't see why the public puts so much emphasis on the government to protect its citizens when it is basically not well equipped to do any such thing. For example, the government cannot represent the people properly because the number of representatives does not account for the growth in the population. Even if representation somehow worked at the time when the Constitution was written, it clearly no longer functions as it was intended to. Has the number of senators and representatives increased by 7x in line with population growth? No it has not, representation has gone backwards to a tune of 7x. Even if you believed the government worked for the good of the people, you cannot deny that the representation has been watered down so much. I am not saying that would fix the issues immediately as there are core problems with the existence of government.

If it were a real pandemic then everyone would be clamouring to get vaccinated (provided that vaccine worked and did not have an even higher death rate than the disease it was preventing) and those foolish people who remain unvaccinated, pardon my words, will be left to rely on their natural immunity. I am sure many of the people within the anti-vax movement understand this core principle.

Bill Gates is a kind of famous oracle and he states that another type of pandemic will happen again. Time and time again his predictions/wisdom ironically seems to come true. Apparently the cusp of another Bird Flu Pandemic is here.

Ask yourself: Are you going to make the same choices next time?

Would you honestly take another experimental bird flu vaccine?

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                • -1

                  @Ughhh:

                  Also, no, that's not the article I visited.

                  sbm aren't the only ones out there writing hit pieces on real scientists like Exley. There are many other sites affiliated with so called "skeptics" groups. Regardless of where you "visited" to get the slanted view you have of Claire Dwoskin, the end result is the same.

                  Are you saying he didn't receive any money from a non neutral organisation?

                  See, framing the question incorrectly as usual in order the slant the response.

                  Yes, Dwoskin through CMSRI has funded some of Exley's work in the past. You say they have a "specific agenda". Well, lay out that "agenda" for us, don't leave us guessing. I doubt you will, because of the trolling nature of the questions.

                  Here's my "guess" though. Dwoskin, like most parents who now question vaccines or other poisons in general, probably has personal experience of adverse consequences affecting someone close in her life, possible a child, grandchild, sibling or other family members. If this is so, & if Dwoskin wasn't convinced the authorities are properly, independently, objectively answering questions, & her being in a position to do something about it, may have put money to research what the authorities won't fund.

                  Logically think about it. hypothetical example; do vaccines cause autism? Say Dwoskin wanted to know if that was the case because she noticed her infant regress after the dtap or mmr vaccine. Say she funds research to look at that. Do you really think her "agenda" would be to prove she was right? Why? Wouldn't that confirm to her that it was her fault for giving her infant the shots? Who would want that guilt? Nobody. She would have seen the government authorities being adamant vaccines don't cause autism, but she isn't convinced because there is a lot out there now about how those studies are fraudulent. She just wants the truth & is in a position to contribute. She would hope the independent science she funds provides the same result as the authorities. This would reassure her. Does CSMRI have anything to benefit? Are they selling anything? Do they have patents? Pseudo-skeptics have suggested it's all about the "grift". Reaping in the millions of dollars of donations from desperate parents. Not a convincing argument in the least. I can absolutely guarantee you that if CSMRI had that sort of funding, the first thing they would of done would of been to set Exley up with his own lab in order for him to continue his work.

                  On the other hand, are organisations like the CDC "non-neutral", even though they hold patents for vaccines, make money through licenses & buy lots from pharma in a circular type of economy, as well as having a purpose to drive vaccine uptake, while at the same time making sure they are "safe"?

                  So, your insinuations are nothing more than ridiculous attempts to undermine truly independent research.

  • +1

    Wow tons of posts (and long ones) since I last checked in here. Please be kind to each other.

    Neil Oliver calls this "The Great Sorting" https://x.com/TCNetwork/status/1803890949690446227

    I'm seeing many more now waking up and coming to this position:
    https://x.com/Markmaycott2/status/1803507230215643572

  • -3

    Here's the most up to date published peer-reviewed data on deaths and autopsy findings after receiving a Covid jab or booster:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037907382…

    A Systematic Review of Autopsy findings in deaths after covid-19 vaccination:

    Co-authored and published by Professor Emeritus at Yale University Harvey Risch, along with contributions from researchers, physicians, surgeons and coroners working with the Cross Cancer Institute, University of Michigan, Detroit office of Public Health, Yale University School of Health, Florida & Arizona State Health Departments.

    Highlights:

    •Our data suggest a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and death.
    •These findings indicate the urgent need to elucidate the pathophysiologic mechanisms of death with the goal of risk stratification and avoidance of death for the large numbers of individuals who have taken or will receive one or more COVID-19 vaccines in the future.
    •This review helps provide the medical and forensic community a better understanding of COVID-19 vaccine fatal adverse events.
    •Through May 5th, 2023, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) contained 1,556,050 adverse event reports associated with COVID-19 vaccines, including 35,324 deaths, 26,928 myocarditis and pericarditis, 19,546 heart attacks, and 8,701 thrombocytopenia reports. If the alarmingly high number of reported deaths are indeed causally linked to COVID-19 vaccination, the implications could be immense, including: the complete withdrawal of all COVID-19 vaccines from the global market.

    • peer-reviewed data

      A group of doctors from "The Wellness Group" making extrapolation discussion points from a subset of papers would be a better summary.

      But absolutely, "If" is a key word in your bolded sentence.
      Dont let other lines from their summary like this Finally, confounding variables, particularly concomitant illnesses, infection, drug interactions, and other factors not accounted for, could have played roles in the causal pathway to death get in the way though

      73.9% of deaths were directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination (from their 678 studies, of which 44 papers were selected, which contained 325 cases, containing a sample group with a mean age of death was 70.4 years.)

      • -2

        A group of doctors from "The Wellness Group"

        You appear to have gone a bit too far off course with that completely unhinged rant.

        Three of the doctors/scientists listed from the study, in addition to their roles as Cardiologists and professors, run a business called "The Wellness Company". It's a medical supply business that sells and distributes first aid kits and travel emergency kits for when people travel through third world countries and need bandages, Iodine wipes, anti-virals, antifungal creams, etc…

        https://www.twc.health/products/travel-emergency-kit

        • +1

          It's a medical supply business that sells and distributes first aid kits and travel emergency kits for when people travel through third world countries and need bandages, Iodine wipes, anti-virals, antifungal creams, etc…

          Indeed, thats clearly their core business. Talk about some very selective analysis of their business :/

          The Chief Medical Board are the architects of health and wellness: by seamlessly blending allopathic and naturopathic solutions, we are building a roadmap for health and wellness that frees people everywhere from the sickcare model that Big Pharma promotes.

          https://www.facebook.com/TheWellnessCompany.health
          just a bunch of travel medicine kits right?

          Wasnt a rant.
          Is it wrong that I read articles and review the sources of the articles? Or should we just read headlines of articles and make our judgements from there?
          I thought critical thinking and critical media analysis was a good thing?

          • -3

            @SBOB:

            The Chief Medical Board are the architects of health and wellness: by seamlessly blending allopathic and naturopathic solutions, we are building a roadmap for health and wellness that frees people everywhere from the sickcare model that Big Pharma promotes.

            A classic case of conflict of interest, the very same issue antivaxxers accuse "authorities" of. The irony.

            • +1

              @Igaf:

              A classic case of conflict of interest, the very same issue antivaxxers accuse "authorities" of. The irony.

              Never :)
              And I thought critical thinking and critical media analysis was a good thing according to some?

              If you dont at least (even briefly) read an articles content, review the source of any 'summary' highlights from within an article, and review authors and references, you're just taking facebook link/click bait and taking it as fact due to it aligning with your existing views.
              Seems the opposite of most up to date published peer-reviewed data on deaths and autopsy findings after receiving a Covid jab or booster:

              • -1

                @SBOB:

                And I thought critical thinking and critical media analysis was a good thing according to some?

                The tactic of assuming the argument of your critcs has been widely used by deniers since the early days of anthropogenic climate change "debate". Cherry picking is the most prominent pseudo-science style adopted.

    • -2

      Casually linked is dead give away. In his book Chancing It: The Laws of Chance and How They Can Work for You Robert Matthews takes issue with casual associations and correlations, and explains why they are misleading. I'd want to see what percentage of vaccinated people those numbers represent, the demographics involved, and whether the myo/peri-carditis, heart attacks and thrombosis resulted primarily from covid itself or primarily as a reaction to a vaccine (you need to know when the vaccine was administered - pre or post acquisition - something which may in fact not be recorded, and what the statistical likelihood was of the same or even more severe "events" had the people not received a vaccine at all. It's a relatively simple job at this point to calculate the likelihood of someone getting covid and ultimately dying from it.

      Irrespective, the highlighted statement is not just hyperbolic, it's unprofessional, alarmist rubbish. Had they written something qualified like "if further independent studies show credible correlations between covid vaccines as a primary cause of death in particular demographics, then we can use that information to further develop policies and advice to the public, as was done during the pandemic."

      If the highlighted statement reflects the quality of the review then there's a real problem. At this juncture the statistics make it abundantly clear that covid vaccines saved the lives of millions worldwide. Will be interesting to see what professional reactions to it are.

      • -1

        At this juncture the statistics make it abundantly clear that covid vaccines saved the lives of millions worldwide.

        More than half the countries in the world never rolled out the jab or boosters at all & those places recorded less Covid deaths per capita than countries that did roll out the jab & boosters.

        Seems like the opposite of your claim is the actual reality.

        • More than half the countries in the world never rolled out the jab or boosters at all & those places recorded less Covid deaths per capita than countries that did roll out the jab & boosters.

          I can't be bothered checking the veracity of that so you'll have to help me out. Where did you find that information and did you bother reading expert assessment of why that may be the case? Suffice to say your understanding of statistics appears to have stopped before the lessons on correlation and causation. Ever thought, for example, that "lifestyle" factors in say the USA might exacerbate covid deatrh rates even though they have advanced medical systems?

          • -1

            @Igaf:

            I can't be bothered checking the veracity of that so you'll have to help me out.

            www.google.com

            There you go.

            • @infinite: Lol. Come in spinner. Leaving aside the obvious - that you haven't got a clue what detailed analyses say about the complex relationships which determine covid illness outcomes (including death) - did you have trouble verifying your own claims? Rhetorical question, because we both know the answer.

              • -3

                @Igaf: So lazy you won't even do a google search and educate yourself.

                Sad.

                Very Sad.

                • @infinite: Lying, or regurgitating nonsense you've been fed by culpably stupid extremists, on an anonymous website is sad, but not in the least surprising in these times of egoistic opinionated ignorance.

                  You know what come in spinner suggests? Rhetorical question, obviously you haven't got a clue.

                  • +1

                    @Igaf: Stop spreading anti-science misinformation already, it's 2024.

  • To those who still support the system and the protocols, and therefore believe the jabs are safe and effective could I please ask what do you believe has been causing the dramatic increase in excess deaths and the decrease in fertility since 2021 specifically. Serious question, thanks.

    • -1

      You're asking complete amateurs on a deals website to speculate on the reasons for decreasing fertility? Why don't you bother googling and reading what experts think? You'll no doubt be disappointed when/if you get around to it.The answer to the first part of your loaded question has been answered numerous times by epidemiologists and statisticians, and probably primary school students around the world.

      If you were offered a million dollars to answer this question correctly, what would you pick, (a) or (b): excess deaths since 2021 are primarily the result of (a) covid-19 (b) covid-19 vaccines?

      Just one paper but it's another good reality check for you: The impact of COVID-19 vaccines on fertility-A systematic review and meta-analysis

      • +2

        Anecdotally, two men I grew up with dropped dead for no reason within the past 6 months, I know three who've died from turbo cancers since they were vaxxed, 3 with myocarditis, 1 with pericarditis. Two with detached retinas (necrosis via micro clots), two with autoimmune including Lupas. At least, because many keep their diagnoses private. I've never known anyone with new heart conditions like that in my life. It's a flood.

        Everyone seems to know people who're suffering like this since the vax, do you know any?

        • -2

          I'm sure I've come across you before, although I think the story has now expanded somewhat. Anecdote means diddly squat, even less on an anonymous forum where the commenter doesn't provide names and doesn't know anything about the actual health details of his associates.

          Using the "casual correlation" approach mentioned above, my prognosis is that being associated with you may be a high risk factor for early death and/or serious illness.

          Was your answer (a) or (b)?

          • +2

            @Igaf: An anecdote is a datapoint, and sure if that sequence that's happened to me was unique it could be an extremely unfortunate notwithstanding unlikely coincidence. However it's absolutely not unique to me sadly, in fact I've heard similar stories of carnage and mayhem from quite a few others. That's why I was curious if it has or hasn't happened to you.

            • -1

              @trevor99:

              An anecdote is a datapoint

              Really? Sorry to have to break the news but in science it isn't, for patently obvious reasons. But then you don't deal in real science do you?

          • +1

            @Igaf: Oh sorry, definitely b)

            • -1

              @trevor99: Are you Elon Musk or haven't we reached your solicitation fee threshold yet?

          • -1

            @Igaf: Curiousity got the better of me trev. I have engaged with you previously. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13208752/redir

            Interestingly one of your previous comments (pretty sure there's another) was general, now it includes sundry "associates". Credibility? Fast approaching zero.

        • +1

          Everyone seems to know people who're suffering like this since the vax, do you know any?

          lgaf doesn't answer simple basic questions like this.

          Personally, I too know several suffering since taking the medical countermeasures, one guy in his 30's in the police force who was coerced to take it to keep his job, heart issues. I met a few even younger guys at some of the protests who also ended up with heart issues post pfizer.

          Others have died suddenly. One active old guy I know had 4, after the first few he said he didn't feel right, gave up on his hobbies, noticed a decline in health with his friends post injection.

          It's a flood alright. Carnage would be an appropriate term.

          • -1

            @mrdean:

            It's a flood alright. Carnage would be an appropriate term.

            How big is that "flood/carnage" precisely?
            How many of your anti-vax Ozb would agree with that clearly ludicrous characterisation I wonder?

            Struggling with those names and their alleged "sins" still?

            I rarely answer questions which are predicated upon nothing and suggestive of plenty. Cherry picked anecdotes have no place in science or serious rational adult discussion for that matter (not that this is of course). Your characterisation is not just puerile, it's extremism writ large. Again nothing novel in that. As Offit suggested you don't have to look far to find vocal antivaxxers venting vast piles of nonsense, hype, duplicity, and profoundly flawed "science".

            • -1

              @Igaf: Fastrack to the top with you lgaf. Perfect leadership material.

              I know it must be such a pleasure as well as a burden to be a Warrior for Truth.

              When anybody attacks or criticizes you or your views, they are really attacking $cience itself.

              • -1

                @mrdean: Can't answer the question, or has it dawned on you that your extremism is real and it's better to change the subject?

            • @Igaf: @igaf

              Dr John Campbell has researched the post VAX Excess deaths extensively, has done several Videos and he uses official data and Govt reports every single time, like the Australian Bureau of Statistics: https://www.youtube.com/@Campbellteaching/search?query=EXCES…

              As far as my personal experience is concerned, it can't be cherry picked as I am only one person with the life experience of one and therefore it's random data as I'm just a random person. One person's data is not complete but it is still a random sample.

              • -1

                @trevor99: Yeh yeh, we went over the Campbell misrepresentations in the same deal I linked.

                Like all good stories your "personal experience" gets embellished with each telling it seems.

                Here's my anecdote. No-one I know, including some very ill older Australians had any significant health problems from their jabs. Ergo, according to extreme anti-vaxxers we may conclude that all vaccines are safe and no-one has ever had health issues or died from a covid vaccine.

                • +1

                  @Igaf: Ok I take you at your word @igaf.

                  I have to say though, you appear to be extremely fortunate to have not one of your close contacts maimed, murdered or damaged in any way by the mrna jab poison. Those lipid nanoparticles must have failed on those particular occasions, including inside yourself. Maybe the doc couldn't keep the fridge down to the minus 60. You could take a tattslotto ticket after this luck, but how about instead, not playing Russian Roulette again :)) Good luck.

                  • -1

                    @trevor99: In very rough terms you have a 160,000 times greater chance of dying from covid than you have of winning Tattslotto Trev.

                    Wrt the Russian Roulette analogy: stats tell me that If I have a 1 in 6 chance of copping the slug then an unnvaxxed person has anywhere from a 3 to10 times greater chance. Nonsensical comparson but worth contemplating no?

                    • +1

                      @Igaf: Ha, nice idea igaf, but the Vax has negative efficacy before the catastrophic side effects are even considered. Unvaxxed just don't die from COVID unless vit d deficient or very old or something is seriously wrong with them. No unvaxxed person has regretted not getting it as far as I'm aware, however many, many have regretted taking the silly thing. Don't do it :)

                      • -1

                        @trevor99: Is negative efficacy related to anecdotal data points Trev?

                        No unvaxxed person has regretted not getting it as far as I'm aware

                        You don't think maybe a few of these blokes did?
                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/09/16/another-an…

                        Or poor Caleb Wallace?
                        https://www.thewrap.com/caleb-wallace-anti-mask-freedom-rall…

                        Phil Valentine ("Vaxman") certainly did. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/phil-valentine-radio-ho…

                        Can't find it now but during the pandemic a young black anti-vax/mask conservative in the US media wrote to his followers urging them to get the vaccine just before he died of covid.

                        Sad for families, friends and followers I expect.

                      • +2

                        @trevor99:

                        Unvaxxed just don't die from COVID unless vit d deficient or very old or something is seriously wrong with them.

                        Or they end up in hospitals with protocols that have the effect of shortening ones life fairly quickly.

                        • -1

                          @mrdean: Speaking of bird flu, prima facie I diagnose a bad case of chicken little disease and nescience induced cerebral edema.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO04VXBIS0M&ab_channel=keith…

                          Self-induced stupidity regularly shortens lives, as we saw during covid and the Darwin Awards attest.

                          https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2dvZzRtZW…

                          You're probably stiil wondering what your oujia board was trying to tell you when it wrote Thr92AlaX2. Science can help.

                          • @Igaf: Five states, Kansas, Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Utah. are now suing Pfizer for purposefully misleading the general public on the safety and efficacy of their Covid vaccines.

                            When I first started warning about the experimental poision during the first roll outs the online response was massively indignant. I was considered a lunatic from hell, fair game to mercilessly attack and censor. Now not so much. Considering this trend at the current point in time, I wonder how attitudes will continue to change from here in say a year or so.

                            • -1

                              @trevor99:

                              suing Pfizer for purposefully misleading the general public on the safety and efficacy of their Covid vaccines

                              So, hypothetically, if these lawsuits are unsuccessful and do not result in a slam dunk guilty verdict, will you have to change your 'view' on pfizer and re-evaluate your position for/against?

                              Strange it's just a lawsuit on misleading statements rather than being a straight up criminal prosecution for mass homicide though based on your 'warnings'

                              And why isn't Moderna also being sued in the same us states ?

                              • +2

                                @SBOB: The way they got Capone was through tax evasion. Rather than to try to prove any or all of the murders and other crimes. The Law can be a funny thing.

                                • -1

                                  @trevor99: Didnt answer the question though, so I guess we know the answer.

                            • -1

                              @trevor99: Hang on a second. I thought the Gov was bad and was in bed with Big Pharma?!?

                              • +2

                                @Ughhh: There are so many different Govts, state, federal etc, and different countries. The world is certainly not black and white, 100% one way and contiguous.

      • +1

        Dear @Igaf

        Yes we're all a bunch of nobody amateurs whose combined knowledge could be inscribed on the head of a pin here, but you seem quite adept at the whole 'learn to google and read' thing so that's why we're all turning to you for answers.

        Just one paper

        Definitely not what some would call cherry picking.

        I'll see your paper and raise you 2 not-cherry-picked papers

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9926143/
        https://www.dovepress.com/potential-adverse-effects-of-nanop…

        Just anecdotal evidence but a few of my female friends reported adverse events relating to their monthly cycles after mRNA vaccination, and all spoke about several other females they had spoken to with similar results. As we know females don't grow new eggs if they get damaged so it would be a real problem if there was something more going on than just irregular cycles.

        Why does this happen?
        A conventional vaccine is usually injected into the delt muscle where the immune system sees it and produces a response, so that when the real virus enters the body the various components such as antigens, B cells and T cells coordinate an attack to remove the virus from the body. The immune response generally causes inflammation which is why you get a sore arm.

        With messenger RNA vaccines the delivery method is lipid nanoparticles, which encase the mRNA. The mRNA bonds to cells in the body and now those cells instead of producing whatever they did before, become spike protein factories, and an immune response is made for the spike protein (not the entire covid virus though). Evidence suggests that the problem is that these particles enter the blood stream and can visit every part of the body with the whites of your eyes as an exception. If these cells enter the ovaries (tests on mice suggest that ovaries and testicles receive high concentrations of the lipid nanoparticles) then that could be quite problematic considering the potential for cell inflammation there.

        What happens when spike protein is produced in the heart? Brain? Ears?

        • -2

          Definitely not what some would call cherry picking.

          You understand what meta-studies are right? Rhetorical question. My link was to but one of those, there may be more which disagree which is why I made my comment, as I often do. If I were to hazard a completely random and unscientific guess (sorry to steal your modus operandi) I'd say that those two papers you linked were possibly among the 1377 papers omitted from the systematic review. On second thoughts that would be a very foolish conclusion to make wouldn't it?

          Just anecdotal evidence but a few of my female friends reported adverse events relating to their monthly cycles after mRNA vaccination, and all spoke about several other females they had spoken to with similar results. As we know females don't grow new eggs if they get damaged so it would be a real problem if there was something more going on than just irregular cycles.

          So why did you write obviously amateur, ignorance-based anecdotal stories other than to sow doutbs in the minds or other equally ignorant people on this website? Covid has a huge range of widely varying effects on many people. Vaccines do the same, although obviously with completely different outcomes for the vast majority of people. I don't know the statistics but "anecdotally" in my circle of family and friends it would appear that Moderna caused more sever side effects that Pfizer (sample size - sfa). Would I then post on a deals website that people should avoid Moderna? I'l leave you to work that out from my posts, shouldn't be difficult. Any reason why you haven't check fertility and covid relationships, or compared say the incidences and severity of myo- and pericarditis from covid V vaccines?

          With messenger RNA vaccines the delivery method is lipid nanoparticles, which encase the mRNA. The mRNA bonds to cells in the body and now those cells instead of producing whatever they did before, become spike protein factories, and an immune response is made for the spike protein (not the entire covid virus though). Evidence suggests that the problem is that these particles enter the blood stream and can visit every part of the body with the whites of your eyes as an exception. If these cells enter the ovaries (tests on mice suggest that ovaries and testicles receive high concentrations of the lipid nanoparticles) then that could be quite problematic considering the potential for cell inflammation there.

          Your knowledge is astounding. Given the above what risk level would you assign to mRNA vaccines compared to say the risks from covid acquisition,and for what demographic/s?

          I've got no interest whatsoever in pouring over your posts on covid/vaccines (yet) but for balance would you care to tell me if you've ever acknowledged the enormous success covid vaccines have had in reducing transmission (viral load reduction), serious illness, death, health system overload and (directly or indirectly) economic "meltdown"?

          • +1

            @Igaf:

            You understand what meta-studies are right?

            The correct term is meta-analysis.

            Your knowledge is astounding

            • -2

              @mrdean:

              The correct term is meta-analysis.

              Were flood and carnage the correct terms or just your anger venting?

              Took a while to google that did it? Yes that's what the authors labelled it and technically that is more accurate.

              Your pedantry seems to be highly selective, much like your habit of cherry picking. Any comment about that study's conclusions or were you so excited to trip me up that you forgot the topic?

              Maybe it's a cultural thing? https://unimelb.libguides.com/whichreview/metastudy

          • +1

            @Igaf: There's no need to get upset.

            would you care to tell me if you've ever acknowledged the enormous success covid vaccines have had in reducing transmission

            Well it depends on what you'd define as success. You can read my reply to you up above for some thoughts.

            But yes huge success. Started rolling out in early 2021 and by late 2021/early 2022 you can see it really peak in its success of preventing infection and transmission: https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-cases/aus#2020

            Obviously covid deaths stopped and lockdowns lifted once we hit that 70%+ double vaxxed rate like we were told.

            economic "meltdown"?

            Maybe you only frequent this website for these discussions, but you would have noticed the inflation as a result of the actions taken based on perceived threat of the virus?

            You understand what meta-studies are right?

            Hold my beer while I go and cherry pick a book where some dude says that <application of science in certain way that doesn't support my argument> can actually be bad}: - https://handbook-5-1.cochrane.org/chapter_9/9_1_4_when_not_t…

            To help you avoid making that mistake again, please check out this good book I found by some guy - https://www.amazon.com.au/Chancing-Laws-Chance-They-Work/dp/…

            • -1

              @glennski:

              There's no need to get upset.

              In fact there is. As many scientists and unrestrained media analysts have pointed out for years, the dangers of not addressing rampant ignorance - including the sort of anecdotal rubbish you and more particularly others have regurgitated here - are very real. On this website it may seem to matter little since most of you are very unlikely to repeat your twaddle except on anonymous forums and to like minded people, but ignorance and mis- and dis-information is insideous, especially among particular demographics.

              As bioethecist Arthur Caplan said, public health agencies are not pulling their weight adequately in vaccine wars, no doubt because, among other things, engaging publicly gives some credence to distorted, unrepresentative and hyperbolic claims (eg https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/15427994/redir), and because it's a huge resource drain for professionals - as was scientific rebuttal of climate science denial for decades.

              Caplan also suggests that [by failing to strongly respond] authorities have ceded some ethical high ground to vocal critics, and allowed extreme views to gain a foothold among the naive and nescient. Taken in isolation even the small part of this thread i've read is a perfect example. It's one thing to acknowledge the problems with vaccines and the failures, unethical behaviours and conflicts of interest of big pharma, entirely another to then make puerile and frankly irrational extrapolations which promote distrust of complete industries and everyone involved with their products.

              I'll respond to your other nonsense later

              • @Igaf: You can drain your blood, ingest mercury and other poisions as they believed it was cleansing, you know, literally the official treatments they performed in the middle ages as this was the conventional wisdom of the experts so how could it be wrong?

                But do not FORCE it onto others. Why should it bother you, because you're protected surely. Why would you get upset?

                Similar to religious zealots, crusading, believing they're do gooders, complete with extreme virtue signalling. Cults.

                Darwin will sort it out.

                • +1

                  @trevor99: The reason the mainstream authorities are now pushing so hard against the rise of so called mis-information, dis-information & the like, is precisely because the truth is starting to become known to a lot of people. This is why ethically & morally bankrupt people like Paul Offit & Peter Hotez are extensively covered by the mainstream, both their books are weapons used against the truth.

    • -1

      zero facts, just conspiracy rubbish

  • +1

    A huge miscarriage rate and Pfizer knew and covered it up.

    We're talking about murder.

    https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1802795861019148599

  • -1

    Pay close attention.

    "The reason why gene therapies were never, ever brought to the forefront is because we knew 30 years ago that there was a risk for them to be integrated into sperm, integrated into ova, and passed onto offspring," Lindsay says. "In fact, we sterilized people before giving them gene therapies so that they would not corrupt the gene pool."

    "we knew that they caused leukemias and lymphomas because they caused leukemias and lymphomas when people were given gene therapy, and that's why they were not mass released."

    https://x.com/SenseReceptor/status/1805331983066656956

  • This is the horror show of the ages.

    Professor of international law Dr. Francis Boyle, describes how he refers to the COVID-19 "vaccines" as "Nazi COVID Franken-shots." He notes "there's no other word for them" and says that the mRNA technology used in them was developed by the Pentagon.

    https://x.com/toobaffled/status/1805598139845689766

  • A short bit of info on the fda regulatory process (or lack of): https://blog.maryannedemasi.com/p/did-fda-fully-analyse-pfiz…

    The FDA claims to have gone through the entire dossier submitted by pfizer, in 22 days. Potentially millions of pages of data to check. Peter Gotzsche, someone with a lot of experience in doing such analysis & with a great deal of knowledge in the tricks used by pharmaceutical corporations in order to exaggerate benefits & minimize harms, doesn't believe it's possible to go through so much in such a short time, unless it was the summary package the fda looked at. Interestingly, the fda gets access to the raw SOURCE level data, whereas our tga has to rely on summaries/aggregates only meaning they cannot do a proper reanalysis or re-evaluation of pfizers claims.

    From the article:
    "He says after analysing trial data that have been subpoenaed in legal cases, you really get a sense of just how much drug companies “lie and cheat” in the volumes of data.
    “I know from experience that drug companies try to bury harms. For example, they might use different words to describe the same harm so that it doesn’t get picked up when you’re searching for those key terms in the documents,” said Gøtzsche. “The only way the FDA could have finished a full analysis of Pfizer’s IPD in 22 days is if they cut corners or they only analysed the aggregated information submitted in the dossier,” he added."

    Yeah, the lies & cheating is endemic. It's highly likely no vaccine currently on the schedule would ever gain approval if the clinical trials were run properly with scientific integrity. They use tricks like small cohorts, using substances that aren't placebos & call them placebos (for example antibiotics, or adjuvant only controls or other vaccines), they hide harms by combining placebo with control (like in the hpv example in this thread) & other tricks.

  • -2

    Omnicron's cousin is here and infecting people right now.

    • -2

      Our bodies contain over 300 trillion different viruses already, another isn't really going to do anything unless your already dying.

      • +2

        another isn't really going to do anything

        Volunteering for tribute and put your critical science thinking to the test to with a sample of Ebola or Marburg virus?

        • -4

          That's quite the mental gymnastics right there…………

  • -3

    Another variant is about to hit Australia.

    Don't care about yourself, your business but others who cannot get vaccinated for health reasons might die if you infect them.

    better safe then sorry.

    • No Covid vaccine has ever stopped the spreading of Covid.

      • -1

        Not as witless as your other throw away line but still remarkably stupid.

        There are lies and there are lies. Yours is one of intentional misleading via deception - or perhaps naive ignorance about how covid vaccines worked and what they could and couldn't do. Fortunately your particular deception will only have fooled people who, like yourself, have yet to get off the starting line of covid knowledge.

        No credible medical authority ever suggested covid vaccines would stop transmissionof the sars-cov-2 virus.

        What is uncontestable is that covid vaccines aided in transmission and viral load reduction, significantly reduced serious illness and death, and significantly reduced the huge demands on health systems and health professionals. That you don't know this or can't bring yourself to acknowledge it is symptomatic of a self-induced virus of the mind known broadly as ideological blindness.

        • No credible medical authority ever suggested covid vaccines would stop transmissionof the sars-cov-2 virus.

          Again with the misinformation.

          "Fauci Confirms ‘Extremely Low’ Risk Of Transmission For Fully Vaccinated" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8OB8wlMGA

          "Pfizer and AstraZeneca executive testify that despite advertising they could prevent transmission, no vaccine they released ever had the capacity to prevent the spread and they never even tested if it was a possibility" - https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-th…

          "Fauci says studies suggest vaccines slow virus spread" - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/looming-question-…

          "Fauci Says Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine Effective In Preventing Severe Disease" (It was removed from sale due to being both ineffective and how dangerous it was with the life-altering health problems it caused) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRqI056-jjQ

          "Fauci confident vaccines can 'crush' COVID" - https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/fauci-confident-vaccines-…

          Every last one of them aged like milk.

          • +2

            @infinite: They use words as weapons. lgaf uses the word "credible" as the get out of jail card. The authorities promoted uptake of the countermeasures in various ways. One was to give the impression that the countermeasures would prevent community spread. They did this by suggesting viral loads were reduced in the injected, that the chance of one transmitting the alleged virus to another was lessened. The studies they relied on for community spread were based on modelling, & the flawed assumptions that underpin virology. All very clever perception management techniques. Later on they pivoted to say it was the best information available at the time.

            • -2

              @mrdean: "Credible" is important in the adult wold where we need to differentiate between useful (real) information and junk analysis, perverted opinion, misinformation, disinformation, misrepresentation, cherry picking, and outright lies. As an egoidtic amatuer promoter of many of the latter it will surprise no-one that you pubicly (but anonymously) shun both credibility and consensus-based "authority" even - as I've previousoy written - you rely on that credible information and authority every day of your life, from birth until death.

              • +1

                @Igaf:

                consensus-based "authority" even

                Ooooh, here we go, "consensus" based authority. Lol.

                Here's a couple of statements for you:

                There is no credible evidence that any vaccines cause autism.

                There is no evidence that any vaccines cause autism.

                What's the difference?

                It's been interesting watching you go from insults to pivoting to "open your mind", back to insults again.

                Hardly anyone brought up in our current medical & scientific education system, starts out as an "anti-vaxxer". The standard default position that is drummed into people from an early age is the "safe & effective" & "vaccines have saved millions of lives" propaganda. No student has the time to question basic assumptions or first principles, they are far too busy memorizing "facts" in textbooks. The result of their years of study is "indoctrination". When these students matriculate they are the "egotistic" ones because they think they know everything. It's only later, sometimes much later when they encounter something that makes them think, that they may start to question what they have been taught. Only some go through this, & if they dig, they invariably discover what they thought they knew & were taught, were basically misrepresentations of the truth. When they try to bring these misrepresentations & untruths to others within the establishment what do you think the response is?

                Lol, yes, they become heretics, science deniers, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, flat earthers & all the other slurs the mainstream & their useful idiots come up with.

                • -1

                  @mrdean: You insult adult reason with every post, and frankly deserve every reality check that comes your way. It may come as a shock to you since people usually go out of their way to be kind and appeal to the rationality you and others have locked away, but it ought not if they were blunt as I have been on this insignificant anonymous forum. As many have written for years now, there is no value in appealing to your ilk's intellect becauyse you smply swat away facts, data, and reasoned analysis and opinion and replace it with a perverse, exaggerated, cherry picked reality of your own making. Did I already mention the obvious hypocrisy of your egoistic views and what you unknowingly rely on for your very existence? It's worth repeating. Fwitism as a lauded cult is a modern affliction. How people get there and why they refuse to budge irrespective of reality around them has already been discussed at length by the experts you dismiss. We already know some of the societal effects of such extremism, what we can't predict is where that self-serving me me me disruption will lead if we allow it take take a foothold.

                  • +1

                    @Igaf:

                    will lead if we allow it take take a foothold.

                    Yes, scientific & technological fascism will protect us all, the humble & learned priests of science & business will ensure misinformation is stomped out forever, There will be no debates allowed, no questioning of established "truths", for this will give credence to views that are simply un-credence-able.

                    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” George Orwell, 1984

                    • -3

                      @mrdean: More childish, extremist garbage. Your self-awareness is astonishingly poor, but even that is not a surprise. It's another trait of people who embrace cults such as those you endorse here. You rail against lack of debate, accountability, honesty etc yet your posts are riddled with examples which themsleves demonstrate the polar opposite is true. Most people with basic intelligence and learning know how science and knowledge advances, they accept the limitations and human frailty and trust that the system you think is corrupt beyond redemption will limit damage, right wrongs and ensure ultimate accountability. Ironically, fwitism cult members never hold themselves to the same standards of perfection they demand of others. Again, that is unsurprising.

                      You might want to ask someone with balance and knowledge to expalin what Orwell's message was in 1984. Misrepresenting his message as condoning the sort of behaviour your ilk indulges in is at best ignorant and at worst contemptible.

                      • +2

                        @Igaf:

                        they accept the limitations

                        You know what's really sad professor?

                        In a previous reply where you called the quotes from Fletcher's introduction to Callous Disregard "nonsense", you then proceeded to rely on post-safety authorisation surveillance systems to "prove" that vaccines are "safe".

                        In that reply of yours there was zero mention of any "limitations" of such systems. That's the real irony. You should be aware there are plenty of course, such as data quality & capturing of adverse event numbers, & yet you & the authorities love to quote them when it supports your position of vaccine safety. But when others use the same systems & show harms, all of a sudden it flips to the surveillance systems being unreliable, only used to detect "safety signals" & them being unable to prove "causation".

                        But of course, for you to acknowledge those "limitations" would of meant you had zero argument against Fletcher's points which were about pre-licensure vaccine safety studies, so you couldn't. You fell back on that argument because there was nowhere else for you to go.

                        • -3

                          @mrdean: Your memory shot or your comprehension still in grade 1? I've mentioned scientifc limitations many times - not that it should need mentioning because most educated adults understand that scientific knowledge - especially medical - is always advancing, often as a result of "trial and error" (hence clinical trails mrnit/cherrypicker). Those who hadn't given any thought to the proceses involved - you and millions of others - MAY have learned a little during the recent deadly pandemic, As data were collected and analysed and risks assessed, so advice was modified.

                          The little piece of Fletcher's views you quoted may or may not represent his broad views. That said it was a simple job for an amateur to pick holes in his statements, which were based on HINDSIGHT.

                          I don't have to rely on "post-safety authorisation safety systems - whatever that means in your quaint world - I understand the complexity of the tasks drug companies were asked to perform, the absolute time-critical nature of the solutions often being sought, and the risk/reward ratio involved. Apparently there's no coming back from death.

                          By reading widely during the covid pandemic I also came to understand the enormous complexities involved in trying to understand and mitigate individual responses to the vaccines being developed. Unlike you I also accepted that there were risks involved, just as there are with every medication. We were fortunate in this country because of our relative isolation, and because we could draw on good data from the UK in particular.

                          • +2

                            @Igaf:

                            not that it should need mentioning because most educated adults

                            "Educated adults" should know the difference between vaccine efficacy & vaccine effectiveness. Sorry comrade, you lost credibility when you couldn't distinguish between the two.

                            I don't have to rely on "post-safety authorisation safety systems - whatever that means in your quaint world -

                            Yeah you do, pharmacovigilance, adverse event safety reporting systems, like DAENS, VAERS etc, you know those "robust" systems that detect safety signals. It's what you responded with in regards to Fletcher's quotes. Ooooh, there's advancing knowledge, a reassessment when the (garbage) data gets manipulated to the desired conclusion that supports "safe & effective". I shouldn't lol, because it's tragic what's happening.

                            • -2

                              @mrdean: Old computing saying - garbage in, garbage out. Very apt in your case.

                              We've already dealt with your conspiracy theory mindset, which tars everyone with the same brush and tells you emphatically that nothing and no-one can be trusted. We've already covered the huge disconnect between that unreality and how you so easily accept data and opinion which fits your puerile narrtives, and how in fact your life relies on the "garbage" expertise you denigrate. It's hardly surprising that the same traits emerge in your posts on a regular basis.

          • -3

            @infinite: Your command of your presumably native language is as abysmal as your knowledge of covid and vaccines. STOPPING disease - as vaccination has done with smallpox as your extremist mate here now knows - is totally different thing to reducing/limiting transmission and its flow on effects. This is yet another elementary thing you'd know (if not comprehend) if you bothered to educate yourself on the basics.

            So, you EITHER intentionally wrote STOPPED transmission - because as even some of your ilk knows (from data you believe only when it's convenient) vaccines werent capable of preventing transmission, just as flu vaccines aren't, OR your ideologically-induced ignorance keeps telling you that's what authorities said. The latter is highly likely because it's evident that you weren't listening or perhaps weren't capable of understanding the message. To wit the first link you posted above. I doubt Fauci could have been much clearer about why symptoms and transmission are reduced but since thinking is beyond your pay level I'll help you out with two words you can google to your heart's content - VIRAL LOAD. Was Fauci - who has nothing at all to do with this country - optiistic about vaccine transmission rates? Possibly but given the point of his message was about the importance and efficacy of vaccination, getting into long-winded techncal expalantions about how viruses mutate, how individual's bodies behave differently, how basic things such as masks and sanitizing were also critical would have no doubt confused some of his audience and diluted his message. If that was his reasoning then even years on this thread shows just how right he was.

            Every last one of them aged like milk.

            How's the covid epidemic travelling now? You dont think it's largely been crushed in most countries due to vaccines and related health authority actions? Of course you don't, even though anecdotally the evidence is all around you AND a mountain of data and statistical analysis says covid-19 is now FAR less deadly, and can be managed in a similar way to serious influenze outbreaks.

            Fortunately you don't need to exercise that latent grey matter of yours to answer those questions. You COULD (if you had any real interest in facts) consult the huge array of data sets and anlysis already available, the same datsets you apparently didn't know existed when your wrote your bumf about unvaccinated countries. If you bother to consult the data (JHU, OWID, UKHSA etc) there's even more good news for you on the spoonfed front. You don't have to wade through the data, you can chart a huge array of it using criteria already available, compare countries, watch timed graph lines of outbreaks, deaths etc. You can even learn about the caveats and limitations of the data you're looking at, and in doing so activate some more of that underused frontal lobe we all possess.

            • +2

              @Igaf:

              To wit the first link you posted above. I doubt Fauci could have been much clearer about why symptoms and transmission are reduced but since thinking is beyond your pay level I'll help you out with two words you can google to your heart's content - VIRAL LOAD. Was Fauci - who has nothing at all to do with this country - optiistic about vaccine transmission rates?

              From the link posted by infinite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8OB8wlMGA0 From around 8.10 to 8.35

              Graphic on screen: “The CDC guidelines are essentially implying that the risk that the vaccinated will transmit the virus to others, including their unvaccinated children, is so vanishingly low that it is not worth worrying about.”

              Chris: “…..if you’re vaccinated, you really don’t need to worry about getting it in a way that’s serious or transmitting it.”

              Fauci: “That is true. That is correct, Chris.”

              • -1

                @mrdean: What part of my previous comment on that did you not understand mrcherrypicker? Did we not cover messaging previously?

                You presumably understand that transmission agents are almost impossible to track accurately let alone quantify /s and why that's the case? You SHOULD already know about vaccine efficacy in reducing serious illness and death and might be able to imagine how VIRAL LOAD plays a part there, although I very much doubt you'll ever admit that to yourself let alone on a public forum.

            • @Igaf:

              STOPPING disease - as vaccination has done with smallpox as your extremist mate here now knows

              The vaccination question in the light of modern experience: an appeal for reconsideration.
              C Killick Millard MD, D.Sc 1914
              Medical Officer of Health for Leicester
              Medical Superintendent of the Isolation & Smallpox Hospitals Leicester
              Formerly Medical Officer of Health for Burton-on-Trent
              Medical Superintendent of the Birmingham City Hospitals
              preface pag viii

              “For forty years, corresponding roughly with the advent of the “sanitary era,” smallpox has gradually but steadily been leaving this country (England). For the past ten years the disease has ceased to have any appreciable effect upon our mortality statistics. For most of that period it has been entirely absent except for a few isolated outbreaks here and there. It is reasonable to believe that with the perfecting and more general adoption of modern methods of control and with improved sanitation (using the term in the widest sense) smallpox will be completely banished from this country as has been the case with plague, cholera, and typhus fever. Accompanying this decline in smallpox there has been a notable diminution during the past decade in the amount of infantile vaccination. This falling off in vaccination is steadily increasing and is becoming very widespread.”

              https://archive.org/details/b21357298/page/n1/mode/2up

              • -1

                @mrdean: But but but,,, acording to you there's no room for dissent and contrary opinions in medical science /s.

                There's an obvious flaw in his argument which you've no doubt already divined - more on that later.

                Are you seriously suggesting his considered, expert view is similar to, or somehow justifies, your own ignorant one size fits all extremism?

                While you're exercising the functional grey matter can you explain why ATAGI's advice on covid vaccination for children (and other specific age groups) varied with time?

                • +1

                  @Igaf:

                  Are you seriously suggesting his considered, expert view is similar to, or somehow justifies, your own ignorant one size fits all extremism?

                  Lol, extremism. Anything to avoid the facts. Here's Millard's first paragraph:

                  “It is now eighteen years since the Royal Commission on Vaccination issued its Final Report. Since then, little or no attempt has been made seriously to review the Vaccination Question in the light of the experience gained in recent years. much has been learned and some things have been unlearned. Moreover, almost every writer, hitherto, has approached this question from the point of view of either the pro-vaccinist or the anti-vaccinist. The present writer has endeavoured to take up an entirely independent stand point. He has not been concerned either to defend or to attack vaccination and he has, therefore, felt quite at liberty to use any argument that appeared to him, after mature consideration, to be sound, irrespective of whether it told in favour of or against vaccination. At the same time he believes that the case he is presenting will be found logical and consistent, neither lacking in colour nor devoid of definite conclusions.”

                  Yeah chum, there's logic, facts & reason in that book, as well as some pretty pictures & graphs.

                  • -1

                    @mrdean: Still claiming his views mirror yours? Your ego and lack of intellectual honesty have no bounds do they?

                    So what was the obvious flaw in his opinion I hear you ask /s? Well as you're no doubt aware he assumed he could mitigate the pain and suffering of unvaxxed smallpox victims, and possibly prevent death in every case of unvaccinated exposure. He didn't have a good statistical basis for making those leaps of faith and instead relied on his own anecdotal experience. In lieu of simple, proven vaccination he instead relied on the fact that a large majority of people had already been vaccinated and so the disease was unlikely to spread widely or quickly, as it did when millions died pre-vax, I can feel the disturbance in your ether from here as it dawns on you that we've just been through a similar - but different for obvious reasons - experience with covid. I'll leave you to work out what the similarities and differences were, and how our authorities dealt with covid advice using a massive amount of statistical data.

                    Wrt your claiming of Millard as a fellow skeptic (you're FAR more extreme than that, he far less, as we'll now see) this might be of interest.

                    "It was on the question of vaccination and smallpox that Killick Millard made his most distinctive stand. Controversially, the Borough of Leicester had openly abandoned the national policy of infant vaccination 15 years before he went there as MOH, yet soon after his arrival there were several outbreaks of smallpox which these were controlled without difficulty. It was because of this experience that Millard felt compelled to modify his previously orthodox views about vaccination. He expounded his theory in a course of lectures given under the auspices of the Chadwick Trust, and these he afterwards published in book form in 1914 under the title The Vaccination Question in the Light of Modern Experience. He was convinced of the value of vaccination in protecting infants, and gave a practical demonstration of his faith in the power of vaccination by taking his wife and two young children -all recently vaccinated-into the smallpox hospital and photographing them by the bedside of a severely diseased patient. He was, however, against compulsory infant vaccination, and against mass vaccination as a means to control outbreaks of the disease, arguing that the evidence showed that the vaccination of all contacts was sufficient."

                    The contrast between his and your position - philosophically, intellectually and societally is stark. That you and your ilk pervert the truth and sully the names of others in order to justify your extreme views is a disgrace.

                    • @Igaf:

                      That you and your ilk pervert the truth and sully the names of others in order to justify your extreme views is a disgrace.

                      That's hilarious coming from someone who doesn't even bother to cite the source from which that quote was, to use a term you commonly insult others with, "cherry picked". That's the disgrace.

                      I'll cite it for you though: https://www.leicesterlitandphil.org.uk/1917-charles-killick-…

                      I had hoped you would of at least bother to read the preface of his book, which I linked to, but clearly you didn't. In the preface, indeed, Millard confirms that he was pro-vaccine: "He accepts the protective influence of vaccination on the individual as absolutely proven, & starts with this proposition as axiomatic." I was waiting for you to quote that from the original source, as it supports your position, but no, you google-fu'ed & came up with that leicesterlitandphil third party webpage.

                      Your insults & attempts to put words in my mouth about claiming Millard as a "fellow skeptic" truly are shameless. At least I put out links to both sides, so that people can educate themselves, if they choose to do so.

                      • -1

                        @mrdean: You didn't put out links to both sides at all, you attempted to purloin his knowledge to justify your own extreme views, which as I said, is disgraceful. Not only did you do that but you did it without giving even the slightest thought to the risks involved in his strategy - risks he might have managed with the help of previous vaccinations but which would have been totally irresponsible with a highly tramsmissible and deadly virus like sars-cov-2. Extremism, ego and lack of intellect are dangerous bedfellows as your posts regularly attest.

      • -2

        it has.. there are few break through cases but for most part the vax stopped the virus spread

        currently Flirt is spreading… don't care about yourself. your business.

        care about others.

        • +2

          but for most part the vax stopped the virus spread

          I believe you of course, would you be able to cite some evidence for this though? Just to keep the antivaxxers here quiet.

          • -1

            @glennski: Anecdotally I know ten people who didn't spread the virus after being vaccinated, 100% of the sample. None died or was hospilatised, again proving that covid vaccines are 100% effective /s. Given your comments here surely that's good enough for you.

            There is no medical science or expert data analysis which will convince your ilk of anything, unless you think it supports your anti-vax views of course.

            • +2

              @Igaf: Anecdotally I know ten people who did spread the virus after being vaccinated, 100% of the sample. All had adverse events, again proving that covid vaccines are not 100% effective. Given your comments here surely that's good enough for you.

              There is no medical science or expert data analysis which will convince your ilk of anything, unless you think it supports your pro vax views of course.

              • -1

                @glennski: No prizes for second place pal, although they do say that imitation is the sincerest form a flattery. That said, flattery from your ilk has as much value as a used toilet roll.

  • Hard to believe an infectious disease specialist would say this, but then again I am not surprised:

    "Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious disease specialist at Mount Elizabeth Novena Hospital in Singapore, sheds light on this perspective by comparing regular Covid-19 booster shots to updating our mobile phones. “Keeping our vaccinations current is akin to updating your mobile phone’s operating system regularly. We update our phone operating system regularly. With each update, the body is better protected against other viruses and malware. With the same reasoning, you need to be updated with the latest vaccine,” explained Dr Leong."

    https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2024/07/10/getting-updated-…

    Humans & animals are now viewed by our overlords as requiring regular "upgrades" to keep us functioning & protected.

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