I thought this is considered illegal. Seems like Australia is going backwards.
https://www.seek.com.au/job/76233184?tracking=SHR-WEB-Shared…
Only accepting applicants who identify as female or non binary.
I've reported this job ad to Seek on grounds of discrimination.
new user. has never voted on a deal. nothing suss here
You're absolutely right, but unfortunately this perfect world doesn't exist. The people who are in power or who have the authority, they don't always care or they don't always aware. The unrecognised bias is very common, and it's justified in various ways, including in the polices, and sometimes may be in the law as as well. It's a complex topic,
The exemptions are given to break this vicious cycle, and change peopes' mindsets, views, attitudes, opinions etc…
WORD, lady. Well said.
Thank you.
this has been happening for a long time - i have seen preferential treatment in jobs ads for
1st nations
LGBTIQ+
Women
any other fake obsecure minorities
it is discrimination - it is part of the reason Australia and the western world in general is going down the toilet
it is unfortnetly gripping the USA and is why unhinged people like Trump, Tate etc are so popular. People are over being told they cant speak out against the woke lunatics who offended by everything and ashamed of nothing
How are first nations, LGBTIQ+ people and women fake and obscure minorities?
Never said they were fake minorities
It was a seperate point like people of 'faith' or 'Animal Sympathetic'
It should alwaysbe best person for the job not filling some quota
You may want to work on your formatting/phrasing next time because it seems like you're lumping them all together with the use of "any other…" separated in the same style as the previous minorities/women
@SpainKing: Fair enough, though it isnt what a meant i clarified that with a follow up comment. I hope it is more understandable with the clarification.
The use of the word 'other' implies that the previous groups are also fake or obscure minorities. Maybe your unconscious bias is coming through…
@larndis: Maybe im not the hest at gramma but the word 'and' other would meam previous
But once again ill say it wasnt my intent
@larndis: Pull your head in larndis, and stop trying to provoke this bloke. His meaning was clear to me from the outset, if not to you, and as he's said repeatedly, he clarified the confusion you had with follow-up comments.
Perhaps you might try contributing something meaningful to the discussion, rather than dwelling on meaningless peripheral rubbish that is essentially of your own genesis?
@GnarlyKnuckles: Maybe check the times mate? I hadn't seen the follow up comment when I posted. And that is literally how the word 'other' works
If there was an Ozbargain award for the most frequent use of the word woke, you would be a short priced favourite.
Anyone else notice there's a lot of rage bait/culture war posts online recently…
It's been happening for over a decade mate
I often ask myself why I seem to know more about Donald Trump or Gaza than I do about my own backyard. The lack of local newspapers. It seems like our attention is forced toward certain areas.
Why can't people just hire based on skillset?
Why do they have specify Woman Vs Man?
The only edge a gender gives, is the biological edge, such as: Hiring for a midwife (woman only)
You forgot onlyfans.
Women: All men are the same, dirty perves
Men: OK let's just ban OF which is the single source of multi-million income for many women
Women: Ah nah, can we talk about something else - men are gross perves.
Chat is he?
Because they tried that, but the men were in charge, and they only hired other men
If you can find a metric where anyone but a straight white man is under represented in anything for any reason then it's ok to discriminate against the straight white man and not even give him a chance. It's called positive discrimination and perfectly legal against straight white men, but no one else.
Back in the day, any discrimination was bad… But now this type is good apparently.
I'd just like to know how women and "non binary" people are the in the same class. Pretty rude to women.
Because we both seem to bear the brunt of discrimination and harassment from “some men”. I’m very happy to be lumped in the same group. You wouldn’t be mansplaining to me would you?
I can't believe someone just used the word "mansplaining" unironically. But no, I was asking a question, not explaining.
I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of discrimination to women, and toward "non binary" people, doesn't have much intersection.
Actually the discrimination has a pretty good overlap. Maybe I should've put the "mansplaining" in quotes so you could see I was taking the piss out of you.
Oh well, if it "doesn't have much" intersection, you did the right thing in outright stating before that there was no intersection?
Apparently some guys sense of entitlement means they don’t bother to read the actual ad.
Maybe the people hiring have looked the countless number of sexual harassment cases that seem to be coming out of the woodwork in a fairly large number of companies and decided that isn’t for them. The complete joke is these companies don’t learn. They replace one transgressing block with another one.
Well I'm gonna get a nap in, wake me up when the women begin transgressing so we can laugh together in victory. 😴💤
OP I think you're overreacting: Steel has always been queer-coded; I mean c'mon, an alloy of iron AND carbon? Anyone who needs that kind of tensile strength is obviously fruity…
Silly me:
Stainless Steel (Iron + Chromium) = Gays
Stainless steel is known for its resistance to corrosion and staining, just like the LGBTQ+ community has shown resilience in the face of adversity.
Carbon Steel (Iron + Carbon) = Bisexuals
Carbon steel is versatile and can be hardened and tempered for various uses, much like the fluidity of bisexual identity.
Alloy Steel (Iron + other elements like Nickel, Manganese, etc.) = Pansexuals
Alloy steel blends different elements to enhance specific properties, similar to how pansexuals are attracted to people regardless of their gender identity or expression.
Tool Steel (High Carbon Steel) = Transgender Individuals
Tool steel is tough and resilient, often used for shaping and constructing tools. This can symbolize the strength and determination of transgender individuals in shaping their identities and overcoming challenges.
Galvanized Steel (Steel coated with Zinc) = Queer Community
Galvanized steel is coated with zinc for protection against corrosion, just as the queer community often bands together to protect and support each other in the face of discrimination.
Weathering Steel (High-strength low-alloy steel) = Non-binary Individuals
Weathering steel develops a protective rust layer over time, blending into the environment. Similarly, non-binary individuals challenge traditional gender norms and embrace their unique identities, often evolving and adapting over time.
You get this from Bing or ChatGPT? Certainly not Grok.
one of them.
take it to the guvna i will! blimey
I suspect from the tone of this thread, that if this job was open to all - the OP would be no closer to being the successful applicant.
I've reported this job ad to Seek on grounds of discrimination.
Slow day for you wasn't it… Sigh…
This is diversity hire. How effective I aren't sure.
Blokes will happily accept 20,000 years of only men being allowed to work and then one time a "we are looking for a female applicant" advert comes out and all hell breaks loose.
You act like dieing in a coal mine was some work of high prestige. You also dont understand a society with 0 means of birth control.
Strawman.
"20,000 years of only men being allowed to work". You said that, i know what you think, it aint very deep.
History check: Women have always worked, not just rested. Discussing workplace equity isn't 'all hell breaking loose'. Fair chances for everyone don't rewrite history; they create the future.
My entire life women have been able to work.
My grandmother worked from her teens to 70s.
This isn't one time, the exemption BlueScope is using is 3 years old.
you can identify but you don't have to stick with it 😜
Just has identify as non-binary. How can they prove it? Gender is fluid nowadays…
Don't you know that equality laws skewed all the expertise out of jobs? It's normal now. Hire a rainbow or face consequences
I always find this argument interesting because you're basically saying anyone who isn't a man isn't qualified which just is not true.
There's someone who's truly right for the role and some who just meet workplace quota.
Nothing to do with gender
There's someone who's truly right for the role and some who just meet workplace quota.
Can't it be both?…. Unless you think it's not possible. It's either unqualified person or qualified white male.
@Ughhh: Im so confused.
If an employer is specifically looking for a race, or sexuality over experience then that's how you slowly degrade humanity.
Now you may argue what if they both have equal experience. That's a different situation and it's ever unlikely for both to have equally exact.
There's experience and a correct fit.
When you hire people for the sake of virtue signalling over real experience then that's how a negative workplace begins to manifest.
Keep in mind i have no issue with people pf colour or gender.
It's more or less picking unstable people to meet quota.
It's more or less picking unstable people to meet quota.
Who are these people, and what makes them unstable?
@sirstiv: You must've missed the paragraph on the ad where they specified what qualifications is required.
Your whole point is moot.
Good communication is also a requirement, seems like many here wouldn't even tick that box.
Location : Melbourne
As always, how original🙄.
I’m sure it’s probably explained here somewhere or in the ad. But in the interest of a little OzB drama… if anyone can choose to be non-binary isn’t this job technically for anyone? Or is there some sort of legal definition I’m not aware of? Hair colour, perhaps?
You miss the point, only evil white males can be guilty of discrimination. Be a good commie and stop thinking with logic and reason.
Just say you’re non binary - you don’t have to prove shit. (profanity) it, pretend you identify as a female. Congratulations you got the job.
What if I identify as non binary then after I get the job decide that I actually identify as male again? Just goes to show how irrelevant the condition is when it's literally meaningless.
Not really, you'd probably cost bosses thousands in bonuses right to the top of the management chain. They will all have cascaded EEO objectives and diversity hires will be strategic to hit their bonuses. Getting between someone and their bonus will often get vicious, .
The best bit was where you first imagined a trivial situation ("just tick a box on a form saying I'm nonbinary, next day submit a new form saying I'm male, they can't do shit, e z peasy")
And then in the absence of any response or new information, that then became your feedback loop, and you've concluded "wow, it really is that meaningless and simple"
"Today I imagined a scenario that taught me how it works in reality"
Where are the advert exemptions for female or non binary garbo’s or labourers?
Surely the gender disparity in those industries ought to be addressed too?
Or, is this more about power than equality?
Those jobs doesnt meet their pay standards lol.
There are more than 10 times more men than women in Australian prisons.
And 3/4 of suicides are men.
Can we do more about this gender inequity besides never mentioning it?
And how many of those in prison are due to their violence against women?
I don’t know. But that number should inform how much help men need to avoid DV and hence avoid going to prison.
It is the men (who are mostly the perpetrators of DV) who need the programs, expertise, investigations, educational programs, substance abuse programs, cultural retraining, psychological appointments….. some of these mandated by the courts.
And how many of those in prison are due to their violence against women?
Well, whats the number boss?
How many?
Don’t use baseless rhetoric to try persuade your agenda without some stats.
Personally Im not on any side, but i will call crap out if i see it…
Sorry boss, I forgot that violence against women is not a problem in Australia and just crap. My apologies for ruining your day boss.
@Hardlyworkin: Who said it wasn’t a problem?
In fact i would wager that there is not enough men in prison for DV as there should be.
That is horrible, but its true.
But is it relevant to what was being discussed?
No.
They are talking about mental health and prisoner numbers being an issue for men.
You are trying to make it sound like the majority of male prisoners are DV abusers, which is not the case and actually detrimental to your own argument…champ.
@Hardlyworkin: No worries kido.
My apologies for ruining your day boss.
Don’t worry, you haven’t.
I’ve had a fantastic day of fishing here 😂
@Hardlyworkin: Don't be such a sooky baby. You need thicker skin if you are going to engage in online forums.
I can tell you as a Man who experience Violence from a women, the only thing that was offered to me was for the police officer to physically restrain her while I moved out of the house I rented. She got in her car and used it as a battering ram to prevent me leaving.
None of the three plus agencies in my town who focus on domestic violence accept male applicants.
Sorry to hear about your experiences, both with the perpetrator and the agencies.
Can we do more about this gender inequity besides only mentioning it in the context of womens equality and never as a standalone topic? Why haven't you mentioned it and adovcated before as a separate thread?
Have we thought about the demographic of male suicide? Would you be surprised that LGBTIQ men are overrepresented? Have you thought of this any time other than when women are mentioned…? Do you know the primary reason for male incarceration?
Of course we can do more. Indeed we should do more.
And of course I have spoken on men's over representation in jail, suicide, victims of assault, mental illness. (Just not here).
Assault would be the main reason for male incarceration. But I would suggest that lack of education, poverty, pressure on men to earn money, alcohol and other drug abuse,mental illness are just some of the triggers.
What's your point?… you tell me a more suitable time to talk about male equity than when discussing female equity…. does it really make sense to deal with one without referencing the other?… surely the context is important.
I see far more posts like this complaining about some perceived benefit women get and then in the same context posts asking what about mens suicide, and almost no posts on mens suicide, assault, mental health, trauma etc on here.
This site is demographically overwhelmingly men so why is it I see more posts like this and less on the topic of mental health, loneliness support, and trauma recovery? Did you know it is mens health month currently? Did you know that it is mens health week next week and it is the 30 year anniversary? Why is mens health sidelined in tiny little posts in the wider context of women, it should be so much bigger than that. I am pro men and women, I want us all to thrive. And yet I saw more attack than I do encouragement of either gender all the time.
…and also men has about 2-5 times higher chance of getting murdered.
amen.
If you want the job just identify as a woman or non binary, not qnnissue
Hey Siri, play What about me? by Shannon Noll. Play it loud, and on repeat
I would suggest you have been downvoted by a motion pictures fan(s).
This is happening across so many industries now. Managers are being told to hire females to fill a quota. My company has done the same as traditionally we were male dominated. The funny thing is, they have gone too far the other way and now ALL C-level management at my company is female which is crazy to me considering it was all male only 10 years ago.
Interesting that I only seem to see the push to even things up from male dominated industries. You never see female dominated instrustires push for more males (e.g nurses, mid-wives, etc)
And 97% of deaths at work are men. They never seem to push for equity in those dangerous jobs either
Of those 97%, was it 100% because of the type of job or does that men are more prone to taking risks when under stress come into it?
Yeah, you are right, they probably only have themselves to blame, would never have happened if a level headed non-male was doing the dangerous work. Another reason why we need equity in these dangerous jobs.
Would you be thinking the same if it was your son/brother/father/husband who died at work?
@OzzyOzbourne: I'm not sure if my comment was understood or perhaps it was poorly written.
My point is that it is simplistic to blame the higher number of make deaths purely on the work environment. The most dangerous occupations are transport related. On our roads men die at more than double the rate of women.
Whilst it likely accounts for the majority of the figure, behaviour and social norms may also be a factor.
@Hardlyworkin: Men are 12 times more likely to die on the job than women. I’m not sure on the stats to take your comment into account but the point is it is only ever nice jobs or positions of power that seem to be ‘unequal’. Funny, that.
@zubzub: Why would anyone be pushing for equality in non sort after jobs? Of course it's sort after or positions of power that people are most interested in.
Since you love stats so much, why don’t you do a little math on what the top 5 most dangerous jobs in Australia are and the ratio of men to women working in those jobs.
Then try to work out why the majority of deaths are male…
While your at it, research what kills those poor people.
Was it because of a simple mistake/accident or because it was a man doing the job?
Eg a truck crashes into another because of a steer tyre blow out…
If it had been a woman driving a truck when the steer tyre blew out, she would of survived right?
@El cheepo: The most dangerous is transport.
Why are more than double road death fatalities in Australia male? Is it simple math that there are more than double the amount of males on the road than females?
Why are more than double road death fatalities in Australia male?
I don’t know, you are the one telling the story 🤷🏽♂️
Is it simple math that there are more than double the amount of males on the road than females?
Related to deaths on the road? Perhaps…
How many female couriers/postal workers/truck drivers or heck… even tradies going to work on the roads.
I don’t have any hard stats or figures, this is just my observation.
Do you have anything other than baited questions and hypotheses?
@El cheepo: Women have absolutely been shut out of these jobs for over a hundred years, this is by design. If they weren't, perhaps safety standards would have advanced a bit faster over time. A lot of these deaths are due to inappropriate workplace safety systems that are not the fault of those who died, but of the cost-cutting that caused it. Even now, look at the caesar-stone debacle. With the right safety protocols in place it could still be used, but not in Australia because of the poor attitude to safety. Why don't women go for these jobs? Because we know there is a lack of interest from the top in safety, this is the culture here and we're not stupid. We know it's not going to change. Perhaps if men decided not to apply for these jobs until things changed, people might stop dying.
If you've worked in management, you should know that culture is something that is very very hard to change, unless drastic actions is taken, like actively increasing the minority in the team. There's always going to bias and favourites from hiring managers, having corporate force them to consider the minority is one of the ways.