2024 Volkswagen Golf GTI with Luxury and Sound & Style Packs $59,990 Driveaway (Was $62,690+ORC) @ Volkswagen Dealers

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2024 Volkswagen Golf GTI with Luxury and Sound & Style Packs $59,990 Driveaway (Was $62,690+ORC) @ Volkswagen Dealers

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1 June 2024 1pm update: We requested and received a call back from VW. The $59,990 driveaway price is obtainable only through the customers making direct contact with a VW dealer via telephone or in-store visits. — Mod.

Ok gas guzzling carcenogenic creating fume lovers! Avoid the green washing child labour lithium, cobalt and manganese mining EV trends and happily overtly destroy the planet with your brand new Golf GTI with bonus packages that include very vegan-unfriendly leather seats at a new special drive away price!

The $6600 worth of extra equipment combines with the waived on-road costs to save upwards of $8000 in some states and territories, given the drive-away price is being offered nationally, with Sydney-based customers scoring a $7990 discount by the time the GTI is in their garage.

Honestly it's not a deal for me, having now realised that even a cheap and nasty Chinese EV/hybrid has an unmatched price to performance ratio that even the good ol'Golf GTI can't match (e.g. Family friendly BYD Sealion Premium 0-100kmh in 5.9s vs shoebox Golf GTI 6.4s). But I'm sure the last run of ICE performance cars/hot hatches will be seriously collectable and appreciate in value if looked after - just have no idea how you'll fuel them in ~10yrs time. Just look at the prices of some ancient Evos or WRX STIs fetching more than they were brand new.

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Mod note: We are unable to obtain this price from VW's car configurator. On 30 May 2024 the quoted driveaway price was $67,980. On 1 June 2024 the quoted driveaway price was $62,720. Our guess is this EOFY sale is not yet active.

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closed Comments

- - TightAl on 30/05/2024 - 23:29
    
    Yes a Ferrari is bad value because a model 3P is faster.
    Great logic
    - caitsith01 on 30/05/2024 - 23:39
      
      +23
      
      That is literally great logic.
    - rainbowunicorn on 31/05/2024 - 07:41
      
      +3
      
      Exactly. A car is more than specs on a piece of paper, it's a very different driving experience.
      As others have mentioned it's more comparable to an i30N, Wrx, Corolla GR.
    - derekek on 31/05/2024 - 07:50
      
      What’s wrong with that? Ferrari is very poor value even compared with most ICEs, let alone EVs
      - rainbowunicorn on 31/05/2024 - 08:18
        
        +1
        
        @derekek: It depends on what you value.
        They're very different cars, designed and built for a different purpose, hence a different target customer.
  - azukay on 31/05/2024 - 01:11
    
    -7
    
    Try to do a roadtrip in an EV in Australia during holiday season… shitty broken down charge stations and about 10 people all waiting at the same remaining working charge point. Until infrastructure gets far better you really can only drive an EV around a city.
    
    New model 3 is shit, dumb idea making gear change on the touchscreen.
    - cloudy on 31/05/2024 - 04:20
      
      +9
      
      Try to do a roadtrip in an EV in Australia during holiday season
      
      ^THIS!
      
      I wouldn’t even think of doing it with kids and all.
      
      but at current prices, it’s actually sensible to drive a EV as a daily and hire a ICE for your summer road trip as the fuel savings during the year will probably outweigh the cost of car hire (depending on how long your road trip is).
      - FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 07:51
        
        +1
        
        @cloudy: Bingo…
        
        And ironically I have a friend who is travellknh arojnd Australia in a Tesla.
        
        Sure.. Theyre not carry a caravan but the comment you are replying to is saying it cant be done in an EV.
        
        Sadly this is Confirmation Biases.
        
        1st-Amendment on 31/05/2024 - 08:50
        
        @FredAstair:
        
        And ironically I have a friend who is travellknh arojnd Australia in a Tesla.
        
        Send the travel data and charge times (it's in the Tesla log) and we'll see how that compares. A friend of mine just did Sydney to Brisbane and the stopping and charge times were ridiculous. The place he stayed had no charger so it was wall plug charging something like 28 hours to hit the road again. At least one charging station on the freeway was full so he had to wait a couple of hours there. That doesn't sound like a fun trip.
        
        saying it cant be done in an EV.
        
        It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions. That is the argument
        
        Sadly this is Confirmation Biases.
        
        Well you haven't produced the data for us to compare so until you do that is you with the bias. We know EV's have less range, and we know they take longer to 'refuel', and we know charging infrastructure is limited. These are facts, not bias.
        
        Nugs on 31/05/2024 - 09:40
        
        -1
        
        @1st-Amendment: @FredAstair
        I wonder if a Tesla can do Bundaberg to Christies Beach in under 24 hours without speeding. My lpg powered 81 Bluebird did that, and so did our 2000 Rodeo
        .
        
        FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 23:32
        
        @Nugs: Someone will always find a way to make a negative on anything these days.
        
        Mate tbh.. how many people do you think actually need to do that trip. Along with how often do you actually do that trip.
        
        It would probably still be cost effective for me to buy a decent EV, use it as normal and save enough money to rent an ICE car to do that than rack up the excess kilometers on an ICE car that comes at a cost..
        
        In fact many would simoly park their EV and fly that kind of distance and still be better off long financially to include the cost of renting a car there.
        
        A question badk at you is why do you feel the need to defend ICE vehicles so much. What is your motivation¿
        
        FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 23:24
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Send the travel data and charge times (it's in the Tesla log) and we'll see how that compares.
        
        Not my car, but if they share I'll happily share.
        
        A friend of mine just did Sydney to Brisbane and the stopping and charge times were ridiculous.
        
        Ironic you ask for proof of friend's experiences before acceptance, but use same level of proof here in return. Odd..
        
        Anyway…
        I'm novice on EV info, but from what I already comrpehend here about my mate's experience:
        
        Car: Telsa Series 3 Long Range
        Stated travel ability in kms: 620km+
        -I'll allow for innacuracies from said car company and go with a modest 500km range.
        
        Trip Kms Syd-Melb: Google states 920km
        -I'll add for discrepancies and make it longer at 1000km.
        
        Full Tank (pardon the pun-Charge):
        1st refill 500km
        2nd refill 1000km
        
        I get it though.. People do take detours and rack up extra kms on the way. But hold On.. I havent finished here just yet.
        
        The place he stayed had no charger so it was wall plug charging something like 28 hours to hit the road again.
        
        This indeed would be frustrating. Did your friend not have any other option¿ Did they use the free charge station map app. Heard it also shows if the charger is actually available and how many are.
        Were there no other free ones like Ive seen at Shopping Centres, etc.. Been to a few of them with my Tesla friend. We'd stop for a coffee. They'd check their app to see how much charge they were up to, then wed head off after a coffee with more charge on their Tesla for free.
        
        Also. Did they need to stay for the entire 100% charge¿. To me I would have cut my losses and looked for another one.. Maybe they were limited in time.. Not sure as no way of knowing off what you have provided.
        
        At least one charging station on the freeway was full so he had to wait a couple of hours there. That doesn't sound like a fun trip.
        
        No, waiting for a couple of hours to charge their Tesla that would have otherwise taken 15minutes on one of their superchargers to get 80% charge, would have been annoying no double. Could they have done a partial charge¿. That way a coffee break to pass the time would have been less noticeable to them¿
        
        I am a bit confused though with the timeline and what youve said here to be honest. Im guessing they didnt actually wait the 28 hours at the hotel. Or…. was it a hotel¿. Was it just a place that wasnt designed for charging EVs… Might need more info there.
        
        It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions. That is the argument
        
        Let me clarify a bit here…
        Slower.., do you mean by delays due to charging. As I dont see any other factors that would make this type of trip slower.
        Harder… do you mean as in needing to find places to charge. As looking at what I can see on a few google searches there appears to be quite a few charging options along tge way.
        
        Even some Tesla Superchargers at places like: Newcastle, Coffs Harbour, a quite a few others along that route.
        
        It is also my understanding that most modern EV charger onky take about 9 hours to charge. So dropping the family off at the shops while you sit in the Telsa (air con, comfortable seats, take a coffee with you, read a newspaper, have a power nap, play a computer game on the Tesla On board screen). I'm sure that would at least give you time for a decent percentage charge.
        
        Well you haven't produced the data for us to compare so until you do that is you with the bias.
        
        Yes, but I have been known to be quite good at surfing the net and sorting the chaff from the hay, compared to some, so I feel that it is less to do with bias (as I din't own an EV but in the research stage of) as I want to make sure I am getting a good deal before I part with my hard earned cash.
        So ironically it is me being super sceptical, and finding it hard to refute that they are a good investment and that my next car will certainly not be an ICE.
        
        We know EV's have less range,
        
        No.l we dont know that. We know that some do, and some dont.
        We know that most people wouldnt need the massive 600km+ range of some of them either.
        
        and we know they take longer to 'refuel',
        
        And in time they will take less and less.
        We also know that cars did less kilometers on a tank but when I think of my 80s corolla gettibpng at best a couple hundred clicks on a fukk tank, and my not so efficient SUV gets over 500km in comparison.
        
        If you are trying to compare 2 different modes of getting from A-B it is super important to compare Apples with Apple.
        
        and we know charging infrastructure is limited.
        
        No.. We dont know this.
        This type of thinking was reminiscant of when the first ICE cars came along. Something like 'my horse can stop anywhere to refuel on some grass' mentality… and yet here we are.. all deiving cars and the infrstructure came along with it.
        
        These are facts, not bias.
        
        I must disagree again here tbh.
        They are not facts.. They are in fact biases.
        Either your own biases or someone elses that they have convinced you to be facts.
        
        Now before you type a response here, can I ask you at least take some time to be skeptical in the other direction for a couple of minutes.
        
        In a minute search (possibly less) I was able to find several incidences of people who have in fact done this trip, and even greater distances in Australia in an EV and have not had any of the issues your friend here experienced. So I urge you.. Take the time to show me you are better than this and look into it from a neutral position. Here's the ones I found in my quick search (note: not saying they are quality.. I've already sifted thus tray before, just an example of how there can be 2 sides to this coin):
        
        https://www.broadsheet.com.au/national/travel/article/i-drov…
        
        https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/04/incredibly-smooth-tesla…
        
        https://fullycharged.show/blog/my-aussie-road-trip/
        
        https://www.localpower.net.au/blog/day-14-road-trip-tesla-mo…
        
        https://www.solarchoice.net.au/sydney-to-byron-ev-trip-what-…
        
        https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/sydney-perth-ev-trip/
        
        (hoping some drongo doesnt get this deleted befoee you get a chance to read as not sure if putting this many links like this is on track here).
        
        1st-Amendment on 03/06/2024 - 09:34
        
        @FredAstair: Lengthy response, I'll try to cover your main points:
        
        and go with a modest 500km range.
        
        My current car has a published range of 1000km of which I get about 800-900km because I like to drive at an enjoyable pace. That is almost double the range, meaning less stops, and when I do stop it's easier and quicker and most importantly I get to choose, rather being forced to by the limited options provided to me by an app.
        
        Also worth noting this site says the real range for Highway driving for a Tesla 3 LR is somewhere between 300-400km.
        https://ev-database.org/car/1619/Tesla-Model-Y-Long-Range-Du…
        I know of no ICE car at anywhere near that price point with such miserable range.
        
        This indeed would be frustrating. Did your friend not have any other option
        
        Well this supports my argument of 'It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions.' He's an EV guy and he had to stop and wait around multiple times.
        
        When I travel now, I don't have think about stuff like this. Having to now think about it and organise my holiday around figuring out a way to 'refuel' my vehicle is not an improvement. It makes things 'harder'
        
        Did they use the free charge station map app
        
        I don't need an app now. This sounds like extra effort. ie harder.
        
        would have otherwise taken 15minutes on one of their superchargers
        
        Assuming want to go where the 83 superchargers are… Compared to 6500 petrol stations. 6500 is better than 83.
        
        As I dont see any other factors that would make this type of trip slower.
        
        Range is less, and charging takes longer. That means slower travel times.
        
        do you mean as in needing to find places to charge.
        
        Yes. And even if you happen to be going where a charger is, what if it's busy, which they sometimes are? It all amounts to a worse road trip experience as your trip is more heavily dependent to always finding charging locations, unlike now where I can drive pretty much anywhere and never think about it.
        
        while you sit in the Telsa
        
        What a great holiday… Sign me up for that! /s
        
        finding it hard to refute that they are a good investment
        
        A vehicle that cost more to buy, lower cost to run, but higher depreciation is a good investment? Show your working.
        
        my next car will certainly not be an ICE.
        
        Which is fine for you and many others. But understand that the sums don't add up for everyone for the reason I gave.
        
        We know that most people wouldnt need
        
        This is all very communist sounding. Who decides what other people 'need'? In a free country don't people get to choose what they 'want', regardless of what you think they 'need'? If not, does this work both ways? Can I decide what I think you need? Is this the type of country you want to live in?
        
        The simple fact is that at each price point and vehicle category ICE have longer range and take much less time to 'refuel'.
        
        And in time they will take less and less.
        
        And in time that will help sell more cars. As of today though, this is a leading reason why many people don't want one.
        
        No.. We dont know this.
        
        We do know it, even if you refuse to accept it. I never ever have to think about where the nearest petrol station is. Your post admitted multiple times that you do have think about it and use apps to get you to your destination.
        
        I was able to find several incidences of people who have in fact done this trip
        
        I skimmed through a couple and they indeed did have to plan and think about range and recharge stops.
        
        So my argument still stands, It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions.
        
        Ramrunner on 04/06/2024 - 14:48
        
        @1st-Amendment: I ONLY own ICE but I've worked out over the years I pretty much do less than 50Km a day.
        
        I've taken my car down to Busselton once (202Km) and yes, would have to charge it down there to make it back (I think).
        
        I think it's not a bad idea though with a family of 4 to maybe have ONE EV in the family for those short average daily trips and an ICE for travelling greeater distances. Just top it up with house juice when it's not being used. Won't take very long to put 50Km back in.
        
        I think there's arguments for both. Certainly running costs would be cheaper (we have solar that we're curently not all using).
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/06/2024 - 16:03
        
        +1
        
        @Ramrunner:
        
        I think there's arguments for both
        
        Sure. People seem to interpret my critique of the limitations of EVs and being 'anti EV', but all I'm doing is highlighting reason why they aren't for everyone (and why the Gov trying to force them on everyone is terrible policy). For some use cases they work well. For others they don't.
        If I had 2 cars, one would probably be an EV, but I only have one car and I like to do the odd road trip and tow a boat so EV doesn't work for me.
        My other vehicle is a motorbike because that wins hands down for inner city commutes. The ability to cut through traffic, ride in bus lanes, and park anywhere beats any car of any engine type.
        
        Certainly running costs would be cheaper
        
        The problem is that they cost more to buy and depreciation is terrible which eats any savings on running costs. eg Tesla Y was about $75k when released 2 years ago, now they are about $57k. Nearly $20k drop in 2 years means resale on a 2 year old car would be a $30k loss. That's a hard sell.
        
        Ramrunner on 04/06/2024 - 16:25
        
        @1st-Amendment: "The problem is that they cost more to buy and depreciation is terrible"
        
        Like for like I don't really agree with costing more? If you look at the XPower or the slightly more expensive BYD Seal Performance (sorry racer here so do like fast cars), I'd pay LESS than if I was grabbing a Golf R, Corolla GR or Honda Civic Type R.
        
        So yeah maybe for certain types but in the segment I've been looking at EV is actually cheaper to buy AND run.
        
        depreciation is certainly bad for previous purchases - I 100% concur. But they can only cut costs so far. I suspect they will get closer to production costs and then depreciation will stabilize. I think manufacturers COULD charge the premiums initially because people were lining up to be the first. I think that will settle down with the immense amount of competition in the market right now.
        
        Glad I don't have Tesla shares. :)
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/06/2024 - 17:34
        
        @Ramrunner:
        
        Like for like I don't really agree with costing more?
        
        If you just want acceleration, you can't go past electric. Plenty of videos on Youtube showing stock EV's destroying hotted up ICE drag cars and million dollar supercars. But I used to own sports bikes that could do 0-100 in 3 seconds and while it's fun, I don't need that any more.
        
        I was looking at cars over the weekend and I'd still go ICE, probably a hybrid as you get all the pros of ICE and EV and none of the cons.
        
        FredAstair on 06/06/2024 - 19:31
        
        +1
        
        @Ramrunner: Don't expect op to listen to your logic.
        
        Good luck though.
        
        FredAstair on 06/06/2024 - 19:34
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: Ah yes. A 2 year depreciation logic on a car that will last well past 10 years.
        
        You claim these predicted depreciation for EVs but don't seem to mention any possible depreciation on ICEs.
        
        As you say 'show me your workings'
        
        FredAstair on 06/06/2024 - 19:38
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: Again.. 'Show your workings'
        
        FredAstair on 05/06/2024 - 19:53
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: Hey… Apologies for such a delayed response.
        As I felt it was important to make sure that we are both on the same page here about EVs vs ICE as, especially after you commenting in another conversation here that you aren't actually anti-EVs, and just going off what information you believe to be correct and provided with full disclosure.
        
        So here goes…
        
        TL:DR
        Over 5 years, the total cost of ownership for the Tesla Model 3 can be competitive with or lower than comparable ICE vehicles, despite a higher purchase price.
        
        While ICE vehicles offer longer range and quicker refueling, EVs provide significant benefits in running costs, environmental impact, and technology. EV disadvantages are rapidly diminishing, making the future of transportation electric.
        
        Full:
        Thank you for your points. Here’s a concise response tailored to Australia's context:
        
        Range and Refueling Convenience:
        
        Range: EV ranges are improving, with the Tesla Model 3 Long Range in Australia achieving about 480 km per charge. Many find 300-400 km sufficient for daily and long trips with planning.
        
        Refueling Time: EVs can be charged overnight at home, offering daily convenience despite longer public charging times.
        
        Charging Infrastructure:
        
        Availability: EV charging stations are growing rapidly. Apps for locating chargers are as common as those for petrol stations.
        
        Charging Time: Superchargers can charge EVs in 15-30 minutes, and Australia's EV network is expanding quickly.
        
        Cost and Investment:
        
        Upfront Cost vs. Running Cost: EVs have higher upfront costs but are cheaper to operate and maintain. EV batteries last 10-20 years, with replacement costs around AUD 8,000 to AUD 12,000 and dropping.
        
        Environmental Impact:
        
        Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, reducing pollution.
        
        Sustainability: As the grid gets greener, EVs become more environmentally friendly. Advances in battery recycling and manufacturing are mitigating environmental costs.
        
        Government Policies and Market Dynamics:
        
        Government Stance: While Australia supports fossil fuels, the push to EVs is driven by global climate concerns and consumer demand, not government coercion.
        
        Market Trends: The market is shifting towards EVs due to consumer preferences and regulatory changes.
        
        Personal Preferences and Freedom of Choice:
        
        Convenience vs. Planning: Some dislike planning charging stops, but EV benefits like lower emissions and costs outweigh this for many.
        
        Technological Improvements: Battery tech is improving, increasing range and reducing charge times. More EV adoption will expand the charging infrastructure.
        
        Cost and Range Analysis:
        
        Tesla Model 3 Long Range:
        
        Price: AUD 75,000
        
        Range: 480 km
        
        Running Costs: AUD 300/year
        
        Maintenance: AUD 300/year
        
        BMW 330i:
        
        Price: AUD 70,000
        
        Range: 700 km
        
        Running Costs: AUD 2,000/year
        
        Maintenance: AUD 1,200/year
        
        Toyota Corolla:
        
        Price: AUD 30,000
        
        Range: 750 km
        
        Running Costs: AUD 1,500/year
        
        Maintenance: AUD 800/year
        
        So after I came across these types of vehicle comparisons it certainly converted me to decide that my next car will most likely be an EV.
        
        Hope this came across better in information and in tone that my previous replies.
        
        Cheers
        
        1st-Amendment on 06/06/2024 - 09:36
        
        -1
        
        @FredAstair:
        
        Over 5 years, the total cost of ownership for the Tesla Model 3 can be competitive with or lower than comparable ICE vehicles, despite a higher purchase price.
        
        Show your working. Wasn't this a $70k car that is now worth less than $40k?
        
        EVs provide significant benefits in running costs,
        
        Agree in some use cases, but purchase price and depreciation are higher removing any benefit here.
        
        environmental impact,
        
        Show your working. This is one of those airy fairy statements that people make all the time but never support with facts. How many units of 'environment' are saved with each EV manufactured? If you can't show it, you can't claim it. We know that battery manufacture is extremely energy intensive so this is not as clear cut as people try and claim.
        
        and technology.
        
        Such as? All cars have too much tech for me, I just want a car to drive , not have to deal with a computer with all the beeping and warnings that annoy the hell out of me.
        
        Range and Refueling Convenience:
        
        ICE wins
        
        Charging Infrastructure
        
        ICE wins
        
        Cost and Investment:
        
        ICE wins when you include depreciation
        
        Environmental Impact:
        
        Unmeasurable.
        
        Government Policies and Market Dynamics:
        
        Unmeasurable
        
        Personal Preferences and Freedom of Choice:
        
        Individual choice
        
        Cost and Range Analysis:
        
        ICE wins
        
        So after I came across these types of vehicle comparisons it certainly converted me to decide that my next car will most likely be an EV.
        
        Which is personal choice, but with the simple scoring I added above, ICE still wins for me. This may change over time, but as of today and the last 10 years this still stands.
        
        FredAstair on 06/06/2024 - 19:30
        
        @1st-Amendment: I took the time and effort to do this and yet you appear to ignore what had been proven time and time again.
        
        You keep using 'show your workings' which frankly is quite odd and dismissive.
        
        How about before I do you show me your 'workings'. And not just some 'friend' example.
        
        1st-Amendment on 07/06/2024 - 09:27
        
        @FredAstair:
        
        had been proven time and time again.
        
        You definition of 'proof' might need review.
        
        You keep using 'show your workings' which frankly is quite odd and dismissive.
        
        You said you did some analysis which you used to make a determination, I merely asked for how you landed where you landed. Is this not a reasonable request?
        
        eg 'better for the environment' How exactly? There's more to consider than just tailpipe emissions but you never seemed to consider this in your determination?
        
        How about before I do you show me your 'workings'
        
        I did. Let's recap the main argument:
        You: "but the comment you are replying to is saying it cant be done in an EV. Sadly this is Confirmation Biases."
        Me: "It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions. That is the argument
        
        I then provided data that supported in this post
        
        A Tesla doing a long road trip with a 300-400km range is going to need to stop more often, and if there only 0.013% as many places to refuel (83 vs 6500), and you need an app to plan your journey and find them, then the journey will be 'harder, and slower and more prone to interruptions'.
        
        If you could post a log of someone doing a long road trip showing that there aren't these constant interruptions then I'm happy to see it, but even your own links you provided showed the people doing the trip had to meticulously plan their trip around recharging and they had to do it more often.
        
        So to sum up the reason why I won't buy an EV just yet (maybe in future) is the current cost, range limits, and charging limitations. This will not be the same for everyone, everyone is different, but when these things improve I might reconsider it.
        
        FredAstair on 07/06/2024 - 23:20
        
        @1st-Amendment: Wow.. Where to begin here….
        
        You said you did some analysis which you used to make a determination, I merely asked for how you landed where you landed. Is this not a reasonable request?
        
        Cmon bud. It's ok for you to use a testimonial and a cherry picked single resource, but I have to show data analysis from a Tesla. And you don't see the problem here…
        
        eg 'better for the environment' How exactly? There's more to consider than just tailpipe emissions but you never seemed to consider this in your determination?
        
        Umm.. Battery recycling. Long life of batteries. Not using fossil fuel… Wow.. But you didn't read that in my reply. Huh.
        
        I then provided data that supported in this post
        
        Oh.. I see part of what the problem is here. You see what you wrote there as data.
        
        Then the journey will be 'harder, and slower and more prone to interruptions'.
        
        So you assume that harder and slower here have the same meaning and weight for everyone. And not just you. Huh.
        
        If you could post a log of someone doing…
        
        Mate.. I could post you a hundred links but I doubt you'd think any of them satisfied your wants. But a mate tells you about their journey, which frankly sounded like there was either more to it, or they really did a crap job there, warrants you posting a 'Telsas are crap' post, yet still claim to not be anti EV. Cmon bud. Give me some credit here.
        
        So to sum up the reason why I won't buy an EV just yet (maybe in future) is the current cost, range limits, and charging limitations. This will not be the same for everyone, everyone is different, but when these things improve I might reconsider it.
        
        The reason you feel this way is because you justify your reasons to own an ICE is for the very occasional need to tow a caravan.
        
        Hmmm. Nah.. I could see me buyujg a caravan (ironically I've just been going through looking into doing this), as the current costs, driving limits, towing limitations.
        
        Oh.. Not to mention the skyrocketing costs of camp sites, fuel, and all that planning… Not my idea of a relaxing holiday..
        
        Now I'm sure you'll have some further non-juxtapositional arguments, or now want me to 'sHoW mY wOrKiNgS' type comment. But hey.. The information that shows different to what you claim is out there. But I doubt you'll ever look for it.
        
        Good luck..
        
        1st-Amendment on 08/06/2024 - 10:11
        
        @FredAstair:
        
        It's ok for you to use a testimonial and a cherry picked single resource, but I have to show data analysis from a Tesla. And you don't see the problem here…
        
        It's only a problem if you don't understand how data works. I submitted data from a site that provides aggregate real world log data from thousands of Teslas. So yes that carries more weight than just your opinion of 'I have a friend who is travellknh arojnd Australia in a Tesla.'
        
        How long did it take? How many stops were required? How long did each 'refuel' stop take? You have provided nothing else than this vague statement. Do you expect us to just take your word for this?
        
        Umm.. Battery recycling. Long life of batteries. Not using fossil fuel… Wow.. But you didn't read that in my reply. Huh.
        
        So how does that help anything? This is the bit you haven't demonstrated. Creating batteries requires fossil fuel, battery recycling requires fossil fuels. How do you both use fossil fuel and not use fossil fuel at the same time?
        
        I see part of what the problem is here. You see what you wrote there as data.
        
        It is. The site I linked to here to get my figures (https://ev-database.org/car/1619/Tesla-Model-Y-Long-Range-Du…) is an actual database with real world data in it. So the real problem is actually that I posted real data but you deny it's existence because it disagrees with your opinion.
        
        And you have posted no data of your own, only opinion. This is the problem. Data always beats opinion.
        
        I could post you a hundred links
        
        Just one would be fine. You actually posted a bunch at the top of the thread that also support my position. Shorter ranges, more stops, more planning required. Are you going also deny your own links?
        
        The reason you feel this way is because…
        
        This is cognitive dissonance at play. Rather than invent a straw man to argue against, try sticking to topic.
        
        The information that shows different to what you claim is out there
        
        Does it? Which bit specifically?
        
        Here's the data I posted earlier: https://ev-database.org/car/1619/Tesla-Model-Y-Long-Range-Du… that supports exactly what I said. Short ranger, more stops, more thought and planning required. ie 'It's harder and slower and more prone to interruptions'.
        
        I get that this is not a problem for some people. But it is for many, hence why many people still prefer ICE or even hybrids to BEV. This is a reality that the EV zealots are going to have to learn to accept.
        
        FredAstair on 08/06/2024 - 13:41
        
        @1st-Amendment: Whoosh
        
        1st-Amendment on 09/06/2024 - 09:31
        
        -1
        
        @FredAstair:
        
        Whoosh
        
        That is the sound of you running away from your own argument… 😁
        
        FredAstair on 09/06/2024 - 23:25
        
        @1st-Amendment: Whoosh
- smartazz104 on 30/05/2024 - 23:37
  
  +8
  
  But we were told that car prices would drop once local manufacturing ended /s this sure is a nation of suckers.
  - TightAl on 30/05/2024 - 23:49
    
    +6
    
    Lucky we're still paying LCT /s
    - Cheapskate Paul on 31/05/2024 - 02:40
      
      +5
      
      If you can afford a luxury car, then you can afford to pay LCT.
      - Dalryk on 31/05/2024 - 07:00
        
        @Cheapskate Paul: Whether one can afford it or not isn't really the point.
        
        Cheapskate Paul on 31/05/2024 - 10:21
        
        -1
        
        @Dalryk: What is the point then? That wealthy people don't like to pay tax?
        
        TightAl on 31/05/2024 - 11:05
        
        +2
        
        @Cheapskate Paul: do you think wealthy people don't pay tax? lol
        
        Cheapskate Paul on 31/05/2024 - 11:29
        
        -1
        
        @TightAl: No I do not. Do you have trouble comprehending the english language? lol
        
        Dalryk on 31/05/2024 - 19:43
        
        +2
        
        @Cheapskate Paul: The point is that taxation is a complex subject. Most taxes are ideally designed to efficiently (and equitably!) raise revenue without hampering the economy. But some taxes are targeted to achieve specific outcomes, and the luxury car tax is/was one of those.
        
        Its purpose was to protect the local car industry from competition from "luxury" european imports. Without that specific purpose it's just an inefficient and arbitrary impost on a particular subset of a particular product for no logical reason. It's costly to administer, and creates adverse impacts by encouraging "cheap and nasty" vehicles over more evironmentally friendly and safer options.
        
        There are much better ways to make rich people pay their fair share.
    - Daabido on 31/05/2024 - 06:59
      
      We've got to support the Statesman/Caprice from those interlopers.
      
      Maybe the Statesman scraped in under the LCT. I'm not sure about the Caprice.
edfoo on 30/05/2024 - 23:14

+4

ICE more expensive than EV now. Damn.
- FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 07:52
  
  cant say it wasn't expected
Wazzzzup on 30/05/2024 - 23:16

+13

wow in my 20s this car was under 40k… now it's 60k… car haven't really improved except for looks.

After 15 years+ it has gone from 169kw to 180kw lol 6.6 seconds 0-100 to 6.3
- orangecarpet-22 on 31/05/2024 - 07:41
  
  +11
  
  Like me, you’ve become old enough to have price anchoring. I’d remember my parents would go $12 for a burger. That’s crazy. Now they’d be saying, $18 for a burger, that’s insane. Mind you they don’t mind the house prices, classic boomers.
  
  Well. It’s happened to us. $40k at only target inflation at 2.5% per year is equivalent to $58k after 15 years.
  
  This is why I think you get a lot of car when you get a Model 3 and the perception that they’re expensive is odd: the base Falcadore was like $34990 which is $51k now. Model 3 is $56k.
  
  There’s a lot more car in 15 years of development. Safer, cleaner, efficiency gains, comfort, tech, driving aid, etc.
  - WhatWouldBiggieDo on 31/05/2024 - 10:00
    
    This. Even given recent massive price hikes, cars are cheaper than they've ever been.
    
    I have an old MX5 10th Anniversary Edition that barely gets driven. It was $47k new in 1999. You can still buy a MX5 cheaper than that today.
  - Wazzzzup on 31/05/2024 - 19:55
    
    I do understand inflation… just not much improvement on the car itself.
    
    Model 3 is cheap is because it's cheaply made.
  - 0806449 on 31/05/2024 - 20:13
    
    My 2015 Skoda Octavia RS was $42K
    Now it's more than a GTI
0x0001 on 30/05/2024 - 23:18

+9

I understand the inflation… but why would I put 60k for a GTI… It is hard to accept especially considering the price is for R not long ago.
Oz8argain on 30/05/2024 - 23:20

+2

GTIs are great, they are well built cars and has decent performance. I recommend i30N :)
[Deactivated] on 30/05/2024 - 23:22

+2

These things break down faster than my paper straw from maccas
- goodwillN1 on 31/05/2024 - 01:21
  
  +2
  
  A GTI? Care to elaborate? The newest EA888 engines are pretty solid. Sure there is the odd thermostat cracking, but unlike the R the components are not pushed too far.
  - DanielP2 on 31/05/2024 - 06:46
    
    +1
    
    Even my R has done pretty well over 6.5 years….well, except for the thermostat housing, lol
    Was fixed under warranty, but would have been an expensive repair at the dealership
    but its a hell of a car for the money (well, back when they were 60k)
  - 0 0 0 on 31/05/2024 - 22:13
    
    Do they still have plastic sumps?
vidiot on 30/05/2024 - 23:26

+9

Had a golf R and a Tesla model 3 SR at the same time, stopped driving the R, so sold it. The Tesla is brisk and it is so convenient to never visit a servo again and yes wtf a plastic water pump on the Golf
- quikstix on 30/05/2024 - 23:32
  
  +3
  
  As someone who replaced their own waterpump (including importing my own as VW didnt have stock in Aus) its a bugger of a job too lol
  - goodwillN1 on 31/05/2024 - 01:22
    
    +1
    
    Ugh… I am about to do mine in a few months… .loooots of hoses out :-D
    Waterpump is kinda OK. The plastic thermostat housing is the f* up.
    - quikstix on 31/05/2024 - 06:50
      
      Funny enough I helped a mate do his and the entire unit (stronger plastic also) is available through repco made by gates. They also can do the whole thing for 1/3 of the price vw want and
- FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 07:56
  
  +1
  
  Thank you for this comparison here.
  
  So many others here just sprouting there emotionally based responses related to their love of ICE vehicles.
- [Deactivated] on 31/05/2024 - 11:44
  
  Even my 2010 mk6 had a plastic water pump…. couldn't believe it when I had to replace it and found out.
terrywang on 30/05/2024 - 23:27

+5

This thing has not evolved well, goodbye Golf GTI - who defined hot hatch. End of an era (ICE).

Why not grab a bargain (watch ReDriven first and better be handy), get a MK6 MK7 even MK7.5. Like others already mentioned, personally I'd grab an i30 N manual hatch or i30 N Sedan (Elantra N) over GTI.
Stargazor on 30/05/2024 - 23:28

ICE ICE - https://www.tiktok.com/@thejunkiehunter/video/71876007371054…
Drakesy on 30/05/2024 - 23:31

+1

Ngl would buy an mg xpower for a 3.8 second 0 to 100 and arguably be more reliable.

I feel VW has lost its place
No longer budget
Not high end enough to be prestige.
Definitely going down hill.
- edfoo on 31/05/2024 - 00:11
  
  +1
  
  Have to agree with you there if you are more into performance and not into features. MG4 XPower with that blistering acceleration and AWD at that price doesn't have many competition.
- davlloyd on 31/05/2024 - 06:29
  
  +6
  
  Why would anyone want to buy an MG? The worst quality build and known for poor reliability. They are crammed with features that are either unreliable or just do not work. Look at any owner forums to see the level of dissatisfaction they generate. These cheap Chinese pop out cars are for those that judge a cars performance purely by their acceleration stats and not by how they are to actually drive (Tesla’s, BYD also fall under this and both are also Chinese popouts).
  
  Give me a European or Japanese build quality and driving experience any day. For the record I am not a fan of the VW family even though I owned an S3 for 6 years. Can not justify the 2x servicing cost over an equivalent alternative, including BMW.
  
  Come on cheap, driver incapable, Chinese car owners, let me have it… you know it is true 😂
  - tm32 on 31/05/2024 - 07:44
    
    Oh the horror stories around these for repairs and parts, especially BYD. Haven't had the chance to build up the supply chains locally.
  - Drakesy on 31/05/2024 - 09:58
    
    +1
    
    You have seen the reliability of VW's right? It's absolutely trash.
    
    I'd take an EV MG with a 7 year warranty over a VW any day of the week. Literally nothing to break, unlike golf's…
  - WhatWouldBiggieDo on 31/05/2024 - 10:03
    
    +1
    
    I have a Tesla so not anti-ev but would never buy a MG or BYD. I've hired a few on work trips and the quality is abysmal. The ICE MG SUV is the worst car I have ever driven.
- tp0 on 31/05/2024 - 09:28
  
  The X-POWER doesn't drive anywhere near as well as the Golf. It's also very spartan inside.
  - Drakesy on 31/05/2024 - 09:59
    
    Source?
    Ngl the golf still looks like its from the 2010's with its interior.
    
    Als 3.8s vs 6.3s are miles apart.
    - tp0 on 31/05/2024 - 10:12
      
      Source: I’ve driven it and I wasn’t that impressed.
      
      My opinions align with every journalist review of the car that states the car does not meet the handling expectations of a hot hatch.
      
      The acceleration is good for making you feel a bit queasy and that’s about it.
iMagoo on 30/05/2024 - 23:31

+4

Someone is taking the piss since COVID. Shipping companies? Manufacturers?
- CocaKoala on 31/05/2024 - 09:00
  
  +1
  
  Someone is taking the piss since COVID. Shipping companies? Manufacturers?
  
  Could it be EVERYONE except the consumer who is forced to foot these greedy bills?
- 1st-Amendment on 31/05/2024 - 09:01
  
  +2
  
  Shipping companies? Manufacturers?
  
  Inflation is caused by too much money in the system and so this is mainly caused by the Covid response where governments all around the world printed money like it was going out of fashion, then locked down supply chains to exacerbate the issue. (supply down = prices up, demand up = prices up, supply down AND demand up = inflation double whammy)
  
  So remember when some people back in 2020 were saying the alarmist Covid response is going to hurt us more than the virus? Well this is that the effect of that response playing out now, and for the next few years.
Dienk on 30/05/2024 - 23:40

-4

Who buys VW in Australia?
- Ginger1 on 31/05/2024 - 05:22
  
  You missing out!
  - Drakesy on 31/05/2024 - 10:01
    
    Missing out on sending the mechanics kids to college!
    - Ginger1 on 31/05/2024 - 22:25
      
      Yes Sir!
  - May4th on 31/05/2024 - 11:12
    
    on trips to the dealership
- tm32 on 31/05/2024 - 07:45
  
  'Commerical' vehicles
moesta on 30/05/2024 - 23:44

+7

If you want a car riddled with headaches and expensive repairs, this is a great deal!
- ddilrat on 31/05/2024 - 11:00
  
  +2
  
  Is it really that bad these days? I didn't think so
  - May4th on 31/05/2024 - 11:16
    
    they drive and handle well unless you buy the cheapest asthmatic engine, but they are let down by their electrical work, me and everyone I know who has owned a VW has had electrical issues at some point. VW tries to market themselves as 'premium' in australia and tries to charge like it but in reality they are just bargain basement taxi grade vehicles in europe
Kustard King on 30/05/2024 - 23:45

+2

OMG, I'm a gas guzzling carcenogenic creating fume lover! It's like you know me!

Also, does this come in a Diesel?
- FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 07:57
  
  weird flex
Bid Sniper on 30/05/2024 - 23:54

+14

Just get a i30N, its a better car for cheaper.

GTI were $35K not long ago. VW packed them with so much shit that no one asked for or wants and almost doubled the price.

Its the Honda "price yourself out of existence" business model.
- 0 0 0 on 31/05/2024 - 00:00
  
  +7
  
  And longer term cheaper maintenance costs. German cars have obscene servicing costs for what is basically an oil and filter change. Don't regret trading in my Audi for a Hyundai.
- shxhshzhz on 31/05/2024 - 00:34
  
  +8
  
  Its the Honda "price yourself out of existence" business model.
  
  very sad to see the cheapest Civic now 47k. Used to be a competitive option in small sedans.
- maddoglee on 31/05/2024 - 09:39
  
  -3
  
  …but its a Hyundai
Kabal on 30/05/2024 - 23:59

+6

The gti seems like it’s been basically the same car since the 2005 mk5…
flumpf on 31/05/2024 - 00:01

+4

No manual, no proper handbrake, no sale. ;)
- FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 07:59
  
  +1
  
  No EV Either.
  No Sale
H4ydos on 31/05/2024 - 00:02

+1

60k for a GTI.. Golf R's use to be sub 60k..
kyr0k1 on 31/05/2024 - 00:04

+2

A MK7.5 Golf R at 35-45k with low KMs is a better buy tbh. The MK8 interior is a bit of a downgrade and arguably the exterior.

Not a new car but still!
- krisspy on 31/05/2024 - 01:19
  
  VW's are not car you want without warranty. Relying on "goodwill" to get sh*t fixed beyond that.
  - FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 08:00
    
    Although Im not for ICe vehicles anymore, I dont believe that is true.
    
    Ironically this type of talk is likely to be a thing of the past with EVs in the near future.
    - krisspy on 31/05/2024 - 11:20
      
      Just search VW forums and see how much posts you can find about plastic waterpumps or DSG's grenadine just past warranty period. Some people have been lucky getting them fixed under goodwill but most were SOL.
      - FredAstair on 31/05/2024 - 23:40
        
        @krisspy: Forums can be useful for anecdotal evidence but are not always reliable sources. Just look at ozbargain and some of the post you see here. Forums often contain individual opinions and experiences, which may not be representative of the broader reality.
        
        They also are likely to contain:
        Confirmation Biases
        Non reliable Statistical Validity
        
        I think I'd rather look into:
        Technical Details of which VW are prone and which are not, and
        Comparison with Industry Standards.
        
        Have you done a wide range search on how many negative comments on all other branda of cars, or just VW or a select amount..
OzBargainerr on 31/05/2024 - 00:28

+3

No deal for me. Not worth it! But thanks for sharing. Buying BYD next Friday.
- WhyAmICommenting on 31/05/2024 - 00:38
  
  Which one?
  - OzBargainerr on 31/05/2024 - 00:49
    
    +2
    
    Atto 3
    - cloudy on 31/05/2024 - 04:25
      
      +1
      
      Do yourself a favour and wait, BYD is the last EV brand to hold out in price drops, but they’re coming!
      - tp0 on 31/05/2024 - 11:22
        
        @cloudy: I assume they’re buying one of the $46k DA “ex-demo” (sitting in the yard) Atto 3.
        
        Reasonable price for one of those.

This was posted 10 months 18 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

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