Another $3000 price dropped to all time low for model 3 long range
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Tesla Model 3: LR $66,700 (Was $69,700) Delivered + On-Road Cost @ Tesla
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Ruined twitter? By booting out useless staff and CIA operatives and allowing free speech o flourish. Right. must like your news to be mainstream.
Pretty sure model Y dropped nearly 20k over a year ago. LMAO
50k drive away than we got a deal
Not even slightly interested in buying one of these pos cars from Elon Musk. Might be good for people with no social conscience I guess.
Yeah who needs a social conscience that says Defund the police, transition every kid that puts their hand up and bankrupts anyone who wont get a jab.
The progressive side of politics that hates Musk has lost their mind.
Do you share the same sentiment buying a chinese EV that is backed by the CCP?
This version of tesla model 3 does not come with USS (car sensors that almost all luxury and some cars have).
Hoping at some point MG drop the MG4 a bit. I'd take a pov spec at $35k all in.
Elon laughed at Warren Buffet investing in BYD.
Now BYD is coming for Elon's lunch, their new Seagull featuring sodium ion battery. Elon shitposting on Twitter was a poor investment.
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/byd-seagull-co…
BYD is coming for legacy autos lunch, Tesla is in a different restaurant.
Tesla's getting it's lunch eaten by hungrier competition that are out innovating it. Musk needs to wake up and start making more models.
None of the companies you are implying are outside of China and none of them have bettered Tesla EV technology. None are close to Tesla Self Driving technology.
Yes Tesla needs more models, especially a small car and a couple of commercial vehicles.
Just did a comprehensive insurance quote on a 2020 model 3 SR and it costs ~$6k vs $1.3k for my 2020 rav4 hybrid. Altogether, it is not cheap to own an EV for me at all.
You have to shop around, my quotes ranged for 1.2k to 5k
Checked a few so far and all around that high. Must be where I live.
Insurance for my ICE car and house just doubled, shopped around and found a better deal. Insurers seem to be testing the water to see what people will pay.
Got a quote for a new model 3 LR. $1600
Our Rav4 is $1200
AAMI
Just going to offer my thoughts as someone who recently got the competitor and what seems to be the primary driver of the price drops, the BYD Seal.
I'd recommend people take them for a test drive when considering a model 3.
The seal has a beautiful exterior and interior is of an outstanding quality. Feels luxurious compared to the Audi, VW, Skoda, Ford and Mazdas I have owned (or driven for extended periods). The build quality is amazing, rock solid, no squeaks or rattles.
The drive is loads of fun, fast, smooth and whisper quiet
Good range
The software has been fine, the Tesla will be better but BYD keeps doing over air updates and addressing feedback.
The heads up display clear and a plus over the Tesla
The 360 degree cameras are amazing.
Android auto is a must for me
I got a 32a PowerPoint installed and charging is easyOrder process and byd support in Australia needs a lot of work, I got good insurance to balance this and hopefully things don't go wrong, it's the biggest risk imo
With novated leasing it's an amazing car for the price, I'm very happy with it and recommend others compare to see all options at the price point. This price/quality competition is a good thing for the industry
price?
Premium is $58kish plus on roads
Performance AWD is $68kish plus on roads
Plus one for the BYD Seal.
a few months ago, it was a no-brainer in terms of bang for buck of all of the EV brands we test drove…Now, the Tesla's are much more competitive it's a harder decision for some….
BUT…the Seal is very much a car for those that like cars, and like to drive cars as they are now.
in a decade or two, most cars will naturally become more minimalist like the Tesla..for me, there's too little inside, I love the HUD of the seal, and the extra rectangular dashboard with info / speedo,
it looks superb, and de-badged gives people a head turn as they've no idea what just blew them off at the lights!The sound ain't as good as the tesla model 3 'highlander' for sure, but, it's pretty good,
the 'software' experience isn't as good as the teslathose are the ONLY two downsides so far….(and they're nit-picking down-sides at that)
Any BYD is personally well overpriced. Its okay though, people like you can be the guinea pigs
Did you have a why on that? They are 50,000 pounds in the UK and still doing ok in reviews, its hard to find anything around that price point with comparative features, build quality, drive, but interested to hear your why?
what is servicing cost on these?
Zero scheduled
You do need cabin air filters, wiper blades and tyres at regular intervals
And if you drive fast you may eventually need new brake pads in 5 yearsThis, bugger all. Less moving parts so need very little maintenance.
thanks might get one on a lease
Drive it until the control arms fall off
HODL
At the rate they're discounting i wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole, this is one way to lock in a higher rate of depreciation.
Fck the loyal customers.
Does anyone know if the white one with black seats would be eligible for $3k rebate in QLD then? It says any EV under 68k dutiable value Is eligible?
They will be free soon!!!
Easily the best car I have driven (I have owned over 50 cars as a commercial vehicle importer).
I used to be the biggest rev head until I drove a Tesla.
It combines comfort, reliability, performance, safety and tech all in one car.
Most who bad mouth the car have never driven one for 10 minutes.
It is one of the safest cars in the world (see ANCAP and international safety scores).
I love not having to go to a petrol station when I can simply plug it in at home.
I have only spent $100 a year on maintenance on my model 3 (wipers and cabin air filter)The cost coming down is great, it is due to traditional car makers not being able to afford to make a profitable electric car, driving down whole sale battery prices as they cancel contracts. Tesla and others buying cheap batteries, passing that onto consumers.
The more electric cars there are in our cities, the cleaner the air, and the less pollution-related lung cancers.
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2024/05/03/elect…
This is Aus Bargain! Enjoy the prices dropping :)
I’ve never found going to a servo that inconvenient. Interesting how it always come up on top of most people’s lists of why they like EVs better.
It's also the cost of the servo.
$1200 spent on charging this past 12 months (charge off the grid with no Solar on a rental property otherwise this cost would be less)
The equivalent petrol cost is $3450 for the kilometres driven.I hate looking up cheapest petrol prices and then go and fill up. Although it makes take 10-15 minutes, it adds up, not to mention the petrol prices these days. The fact that Tesla does not need a service helps immensely as well when it comes to overall cost of running. I have solar at home and between that and ample free charging in malls and around, I have spent less than $100 in costs to drive almost 10k kms. Best car I have owned by far
That’s wild. It takes me about 2 minutes or 3mins at the most to chuck some fuel in as I am going to work.
@Brick Tamland: You might have to go out of your way to fill up cheaper and it surely does not take 2-3 minutes.
@dealsucker: I don’t need to go out of my way. There is like 4 servos on my route to work. Pricing only varies by a few cents which works out to $2 or $3 dollars diff at the most.
I'm trying to understand maintenance better with EVs so bear with me. But I imagine when the time comes to replace the battery pack, wouldn't the cost of that offset the yearly maintenance of an ICE vehicle anyway?
Assuming you don't intend to sell before then and keep the car till the battery requires replacing
Modern EV batteries (compared to even ones from 10 years ago), rarely fail. If they fail it usually occurs in the warranty period and replacement is free.
As battery prices continue to drop, the cost of replacement and repair will become cheaper also.https://insideevs.com/news/717187/ev-battery-replacements-du…
There are a lot of high mileage tesla owners in this group (with old and new cars) who have done significant kms 200k to sky-high numbers.
Newer batteries may never need replacing
The newer LFP batteries are potentially capable of lasting for over a million kilometres
The car won’t last that longwhich cars have these LFP batteries? is Tesla one of them?
@renewablesaus: Only the standard range RWD
Others have NMC batteries which are more powerful, more volatile and have slightly larger degradation profiles but still expected to last many hundred thousand kms
Why no one seems to be concerned about battery replacement cost after 8-10yrs for EVs and hybrids? Wouldn't that be huge like $15-20k!
For a fair comparison with ICE I would add that cost to the current price of the EVs or hybrids. I don't think fuel savings would add up to that cost, even if they do add up the depreciation on battery operated cars would be huge + the price drops on these in 10yrs time as more competition enters the market?All cars depreciate, not just EV's.
Due to supply chain issues, we had a brief period over the past few years where some used car prices went up. This is unlikely to ever happen again.
People seem to forget the servicing cost of internal combustion cars too, as well as engine and gearbox failures that can cost huge amounts.Hybrid owners still need to replace engines, transmissions, and batteries
The newer LFP batteries have potential to survive usage over a million kms and many calculations have them at least 80% capacity after 10 years and 150,000kmBecause people that can afford a new EV will sell it and buy another new Ev before it needs a new battery. It’s the next owners problem.
That means heavy depreciation unless the new buyer is cuckoo.
If you are that scared of a car depreciating, my advice is to not buy a car and stick to public transport.
Why no one seems to be concerned about battery replacement cost after 8-10yrs for EVs and hybrids?
Mostly because the 8-10 year figure you've quoted is a worst case scenario, and one that equally applies to any vehicle outside of warranty - my 10 year old hatchback could have an engine or transmission failure tomorrow if some internal part fails.
There are plenty of 10 year old hybrids on the road, and quite a few 10 year old EVs, where battery degradation has not been anywhere near as bad as the dire predictions. EVs sold today usually have a battery warranty period of at least 8 years/150,000km. Their batteries are expected to last beyond 300,000km and will probably outlast the rest of the car.
Random sampling of owners suggests that 97.5% of all EVs are still fitted with the battery they left the factory with, and of those which have had a replacement battery, almost all of them have been early failures caused by manufacturing defects and covered under the car's warranty.
There's also the issue of the failure mode to consider - total battery failure is incredibly rare. The far more common scenario is that the car just gradually decreases in maximum range by a small percentage each year. Cars suffering this kind of degradation will have reduced utility, but rather than becoming unusable overnight like a total failure, they merely become less for long road trips where maximum range is desirable - but the car is still perfectly viable as a city commuter car for many more years.
TLDR: there is a lot of FUD around short battery life and expensive battery replacements. It's a real thing, but the risks are considerably overblown.
RIP Tesla owners who bought at previous RRP…
I wonder how much money they would have saved if they just stuck with a trusty old ICE and paid petrol, versus copping all this depreciation?
Oh….but its for the EnViRoNmEnT~~!!!!
All cars depreciate? I prefer a direct-from-manufacturer sales model rather than variable dealer mark-ups.
Right…cause most people drive around in their cars thinking how happy they are because they got a direct-from-manufacturer deal….
Not all cars depreciate equally. Type in "Tesla depreciation" in youtube and you'll see what I mean. These were all made months to years ago, and now they're about to get worse. Tesla fanboi's are next level delusional
What do you drive out of curiosity?
@renewablesaus: G63…paid less than $300k driveaway 3 years ago brand new. Will roughly break even if I sold today - and that's taking into petrol, service and insurance costs. But that's an anomaly - Compare depreciation curves on a Tesla model 3 when they were released in Australia 2019 to any similarly popular brand new ICE car in terms of price point/class level, and you'll find ICE is far cheaper to run. If you make that same comparison from just 12 months ago, the difference is even worse. All the best with your decision making.
@bobolo: this is interesting and why I want to see actual numbers of comparative cars for week by week costs.
@bobolo: Pray tell me how much is a BMW 3 series worth now if you bought it in 2019? I am sure the resale on it wont be better than a Tesla.
@dealsucker: The industry average is 40% in five years and Tesla is close to that.
People quote the Tesla trade-in valuations but like any dealer trade-in it's much lower than the average sale price
Suddenly half the population are chemical engineers, and specialises in batteries. Kudos.
Glad that there are no nuclear cars yet. Don't need too many nuclear scientists around.
these are the same folks who were nuclear submarines specialists few months back
Toyota and Hyundai want us driving around hydrogen bombs and having massive bombs at refueling stations in our neighbourhoods. These are far more dangerous than EVs
And the point is?
Wow… I paid 73k drive away on my Tesla Y April 2023.
Considering i'm living in QLD and there is still 6K gov rebate available, I lost $20K approximately.
Well shit happens….
Ok at least share my experience with Tesla for a year and share my thoughts of battery.To start, I also own Toyota Prius V from 2013.
My clock shows little over 200k km after 11 years of using. Still going strong and doing about 5~5.5L/100KM or 18~20KM/L on feul consumption. It has been very economical with very little maintenance. When I bought this hybrid car, ppl around always mentioned "watch out your battery, your savings would all gone if you have to replace battery". Yes cost of replacing Prius hybrid battery pack was appox $6000 from Toyota dealer back in 2013. Now about $4500 or less. and… there are plenty of independent mechanics quoted me $1800 for brand new battery pack and $1300 for refurbished ones. This is what i thought will happen in 8 years time as battery warranty is 8 years or 160K KM. I kinda knew price of battery pack will decrease and more mechanics would put their hands in and will be cheaper to replace.Now lets head back to Tesla. I installed Tesla wall charger at home, charge every 2~3 days. I plug when i come home and forget the rest, set charging time from 12:15AM. Is 100% in the morning. With new EV rate, I pay 8cents per Kwh from 12AM to 6AM. Model Y has 58kwh size of battery pack so from 0~100% means $4.64 for full charge and will last 400~420km of range. Yes full charge shows 424KM (down from 431 shown brand new) but when its cold or hot, air con or heater make it different. (this summer was so fking hot. excess usage of strong aircon sometimes show me 370km of expected range.
But who cares? its bloody cheap 5 bucks for 400KM of range.
Battery warranty is also same with Prius. 8 years or 160k km whichever comes first. I believe within 8 years current $20,000 cost to replace battery pack will be down to $4~5000 or less at current price decreasing rate of batteries.My calculation before swapping my BMW X3 to Tesla Y
BMW X3 which needed premium 95RON petrol minimum averaged 10KM/L. I normally drive 23~25k KM for a year. Based on current median petrol price of aprox $2.00+ a litre and driving range per year, I expect to save at least $4500~$5000 a year on fuel only. Maintenance cost is also another thing. << This is big difference to everyone, every car brands.
So sum up of cost to run -
Rego for a year - Tesla $760 BMW X3 $880 Prius V $830Insurance for a year - Tesla $1600 BMW X3 $1300 (not sure about this. it is price of 2023 and I heard everyone is paying more than last year on 2024) Prius V $820
Maintenance -
Tesla none or under $50 for wiper blade and wiper fluid.BMW X3 - about $560p/y on BIS servicing + whatever extra not covered by BIS. For example changed brake pads at 45k km costed $1600 for frond and back. Huge bills are expected to hit me around at 80k, 100k, 120k km except regular servicing.
Prius V - only need $90 every 6 months from independent mechanic, I normally changed all fluids every 3~4 years or approx 50K Km. Fluids i changes are brake, power steering, coolant and transmissions. 4 fluid changes are about $350. Only changed brake pad at 160k km (still had more than 20% left). some cabin and air filters are changed necessary every couple of years (about $100 for both). Not even a single oil leak after 11 years of using. Man I owned 3 Toyota cars including Yaris,Corolla and Prius - all of them were going strong when looked after properly. Considering changing this 11 year old Prius to either Camry or Rav4 in about 1~2 years later (but waiting time is quite ridiculous, so may get another EV as price of EV is dropping crazy these days)
Also spent huge $1800 bill about 2 years ago on complete fix and rebuild on underside such as shock absorbers, arms, bushings…. as car started making some squiky sound and now feels like brand new.To zip it up, I like EV, I like Tesla and I also liked my friends BYD Atto3. Its dirt cheap to run, have punchy power of V6 ICE cars.
But on the other side, to run EV efficiently, its a must to have your own garage and charger at home. If not, EV is clearly not your choice.installing charger is another cost.
I also spent $2300 to install $800 Tesla wall charger but its because i wanted phase 3 line. (and bloody power box is located at other side of garage)
but I can charge at 11kw speed, around 76~78km of range per hour.
If you only need regular 1 phase 7kw speed of 44km range per hour, you can get Tesla mobile charger at around $250 brand new and $300~500 for installation of Nema wall plug in. My friend even charge his BYD Atto3 bought some kind of charger line from China, can charge up to 3kw just from any power point. He told me only $199 shipped from China. Well so far no problem for last 2 years he said.Ok so hope my experience helps someone to make decision, I love EV companies competing and dropping their prices even though i lost a fair bit amount of money.
thanks for this review - this is great. Maintenance for Telsa is only wiper blade & fluid? Don't we need to do maintenance on anything else?
There is no scheduled maintenance on Tesla cars, apart from the recommendation to change the cabin air filter occasionally (which anyone can do).
Almost everything that would normally be maintained on an ICE vehicle has been eliminated. No engine or gearbox oil that needs changing, no oil, air or fuel filters are required, and the brakes get so little use that the factory brake pads and brake fluid usually last well beyond 100,000km.
So it's just tire rotations and replacements when they wear out, the occasional wheel alignment, along with replacing wiper blades and adding more windscreen washer fluid.
Hmm RWD price around $60K seems quite tempting now.
Tesla wrath incoming! Only car manufacturer dropping prices back-to-back. Few reasons for this - surplus stock, improved efficient production, higher profit margins and can afford the drops here and there. Great to see this! Will drive BYD prices down including other EV’s!
I remember seeing a bunch of toyota 86s that were stuck at the factory carpark for a few months. They ended up having a bunch of paint defects and what looked like soot embedded into the paint. New cars sitting for long periods of time is never a good thing.
I would consider a Tesla one of the least appealing EVs in the market right now - reliance on touchscreen for interior controls, proprietary technology, poor sensor systems (camera instead of lidar), and run by a CEO who randomly fires critical teams in a whim.
Interesting as most manufacturers are moving more controls to touchscreens but few do it as well as Tesla.
Very few cars have the autosteer driving capabilities that Tesla has. The car can basically drive itself and the computing hardware inside the car is high end but the software is incredble. Sure it might be better with radar and the USS removal is not good for tight parking.
The CEO is a nutter but he doesn't sit in the car with you. Those firings on face value might seem random but it will be due to their performance and won't affect owners.
But the cars are still phenomenal and at this price are pretty good value.
I also though Tesla's were stupid until I test drove oneCounterpoint to the above:
reliance on touchscreen for interior controls
Not as much as you might think.
Cruise control set, speed and following distance are on the steering wheel. So are the primary audio controls (volume, track forward/back) and all wiper functions (wipers are also automatic, but can be a bit erratic if the sensor is dirty).
Headlight controls are on the screen but are automatic and I literally never need to touch them. High beam is on the steering wheel if you want to do it manually, but auto-dim is excellent
The only one you might want to change from the screen more regularly is climate control, but if you're only changing the temperature it's a single touch or drag.
proprietary technology
Which car doesn't have proprietary technology? I'm really not sure what this is referring to.
poor sensor systems (camera instead of lidar)
Cameras work just fine for driving guidance under almost every circumstance, but less so for precise parking. Ultimately cameras HAVE to be part of any guidance system because Lidar can't read signs or road markings. These systems are constantly improving all the time.
run by a CEO who randomly fires critical teams in a whim
Tesla's management style has zero effect on me as a car owner. The product stands on its own merits.
As for the "least appealing" claim, I absolutely disagree. Tesla definitely has its issues, but they're mostly political.
The Model 3 and Y have very refined and mature battery / motor technology, they're among the best in efficiency, their performance and handling is best in class, their pricing is highly competitive these days, and the Australian-delivered cars don't have the quality concerns or unjustifiable servicing costs commonly associated with BYD and MG. The cars get frequent OTA updates that improve and upgrade the car in meaningful ways, and their warranty is straightforward and comprehensive unlike BYD's mess.
I would happily consider quite a number of other EV brands for my next car, but excluding Tesla from consideration would be very foolish indeed.
@klaw81 @choofa You make some excellent points, and you're right - Tesla should not be discounted outright in any considerations of EV purchase. It's true they basically created the EV market and have some class-leading technology behind them. I also admit to paying too much attention to some of the FUD around Tesla itself. Some of the concerns I raised are still valid though:
While it is true that every car uses proprietary tech, Tesla doesn't use any standards in either its charging system or entertainment system support (e.g. CarPlay and Android Auto). It relies heavily on other companies supporting their technology and Tesla's ability to keep their software compatible with third-party services.
The big concern with only using cameras is in low visibility situations like fog and snow, and Tesla's claims of self driving are far from what is either considered even remotely "full self driving" in a legal sense. Having both camera and lidar would certainly assist to bridge that gap.
A car is a long term investment requiring a continuing relationship with the manufacturer in terms of software updates, repairs, servicing, parts, and even the charging network to an extent. This means that the management of the company can indeed affect the car's usability in the long term.
Whether or not these are enough to dissuade something from buying a Tesla is certainly up for debate, and as stated they are partially political so not as relevant to the reality of actually owning the car.
Tesla doesn't use any standards in either its charging system
Excuse me? All Teslas in Australia use CCS, just like everything else sold in the country (except for the Nissan Leaf - that's the real "least appealing choice" on the market). And at least half of the Supercharger network can be used by any other car, so they're obviously applying the standard pretty well.
or entertainment system support (e.g. CarPlay and Android Auto)
I wouldn't call AA or CP "standards" but I agree - I would much prefer that they supported that feature. Telsa do employ Bluetooth extensively - which definitely IS a standard.
Tesla's claims of self driving are far from what is either considered even remotely "full self driving" in a legal sense.
Australian drivers don't get FSD in a meaningful way so it's really not a point of contention at the moment. But I've seen some very impressive demonstrations in the US that suggest they're getting very close, and in a way that can be easily replicated elsewhere - the approaches used by Ford and others are far less capable.
I agree that using Lidar would be an advantage in low visibility circumstances and they're wrong to eliminate it entirely. There's no good reason to deny yourself that data, but it does force Tesla to make their camera vision work as well as possible.
You made some good points about long term ownership, but bear in mind that Tesla have an excellent track record in regard to OTA updates and their approach to eliminating the need for regular servicing where possible is exemplary. The Supercharger network is useful (but defintely not vital) to Australian owners, regardless of the CEO's foibles.
What's the range in real world of long range vs the normal Model 3
To the OP, I think you'll have to update the prices on your post. it's 64,900 now.
You need to add delivery fee of $1,400 and order fee of $400
ah yes, I was wrong. thanks!
What's the insurance cost on these like?
It varies very widely, so best to get quotes for yourself.
Mine is $1150 p/a with Allianz but I've gotten quotes up to $3k for the exact same car and terms.
Buy it today, and they will drop the price by 5k tomorrow. Resale value, winning! As the saying goes, there is a sucker born every minute.
What happens when GM, Ford, Stelantis and VW go bust?
They all lose money on EVs now, Tesla doesn’t.
They can’t compete with the Chinese at all, so will be restricted to their home markets behind tariffs after they are bailed out.