Another $3000 price dropped to all time low for model 3 long range
Mod Note: Price in the title has been updated to include Delivery & Order Fees. RWD & Performance Model duplicate removed from the title.
Tesla Model 3: LR $66,700 (Was $69,700) Delivered + On-Road Cost @ Tesla
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If you think any billionaire is a saviour, I feel bad for you son.
They got 99 problems and the environment ain't one.
I wouldn't call him a saviour, but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's work in Africa has saved millions of lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/14/bill-gates-phi….
You don’t think electric cars and making the patents for electric cars free is good for public health and the environment? Look up how car exhaust affects children’s lungs and pollution in cities. But no, you’d rather think that because someone is wealthy, all they care about is wealth. Concerning twitter, he has been making moves that hurt profits but protect freedom of expression. He has paid more tax than any individual ever. What have you done for the environment?
My sarcasm sensor is highly attuned… well played, sir… Captain Elmo is indeed the saviour of humanity
He insists on being referred to as "Dark Lord Ketamine".
Governments were short sighted trying to push EV adoption so quickly without implementing the infrastructure to support it.
Check out this ordeal Car Expert went through just to charge their EV in California.
Yes I was in Los Angeles a month ago. Most cars I saw were either hybrid or EV. The roads were jammed but very quiet in terms of noise. The queues in the shopping mall car parks were often 15 deep waiting. It was like a Maccas Drive through.
yeh where on earth are people going to find a place to get electricity from
Their homes?
@Circly: I guess people who don't have driveways or landed houses(??) will have to go somewhere else to get electricity for their car, just like right now they have to go out to get gasoline? Electricity is available literally everywhere.
@trawg: Watch the video, it's clear you didn't.
- Mains power is slow to charge in US.
- Charging at stations was not feasible… They tried multiple times over 12 hours and gave up. The line ups were too long.
- Refuelling petrol takes 1 minute, charging an EV can take hours depending on charger.
I don't live in the US - do you? I don't care about their problems, but given they're starting to position a huge chunk of their economy around electrification like battery and solar production and are doing trade war shit like a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs it seems like any problems they have there are gonna be short lived.
The main use case for EVs is charging from home. It sucks that station charging in the US is so painful but it's a minor blip at the moment anyway, like trying to drive a gasoline car in the 1910s when nobody had built gas stations, but a zillion times easier to resolve because we have electricity literally everywhere.
These problems do not seem to exist in AU (or EU) from what I hear from mates with EVs. I live near a big shopping centre that has an entire dedicated Tesla charging parking section and, while popular, it's never full.
- This has to be weighed against the convenience of being able to charge at home overnight. Most people who have EVs charge exclusively at home; indeed one of the key benefits you hear talking to EV owners is how now they don't have to deal with the burden of planning in gas fillups (not to mention the randomness of gas pricing on a week-to-week basis).
I don't have an EV (it'll be my next car purchase for sure) but if I did, charging overnight would suffice for almost all my driving all the time.
@Elijha: and if you live in an apartment or some complex? and who's gonna upgrade the mains so you can charge without tripping up the whole grid?
and who's gonna upgrade the mains so you can charge without tripping up the whole grid?
I dunno - someone? Tons of places have already figured this out without massive brownouts. The worst case is what - no upgrades take place and people are limited to slow charging via a regular socket?
@trawg: It's impossible to win these arguments.
The naysayers will just keep referring to the exceptions, rather than the norms, to bade their entire argument around.Most of them live in the city or a suburb, in a house, yet will argue until they're blue in the face about how EVs are not suitable for people out rural, or people in apartments…. despite those people making up a fraction of the demographic, and despite the fact there are still options available in those instances as well.
@Deviner: @Deviner: yeh, I feel compelled to try. I think the good news is it's kinda inevitable that people will convert because the case for EVs just gets better and better every single day, while the case for gas vehicles just gets worse and worse.
I didn't even touch on some of the main benefits! e.g. I have a mate with solar + batteries who sometimes he gets PAID to charge his car when the wholesale prices go negative. We've not even scratched the surface of how people can get access to cheap electricity at peak generation times yet. It's gonna be a game changer.
Have you noticed these ev charging problem videos never have a Tesla as the car in the video? He's done two so far, it's basically click bait.
Having access to home charging (or work charging) + occasional DC fast charging is the sweet spot. I've put 52,000 KM on mine with maybe 3,000 ish KM worth of DC fast charging, never waited for charging outlet or inconvenienced time wise.
Yes Tesla owners rarely have any troubles charging
Most charge at home anyway
But Tesla superchargers are common and it’s only in remote areas where you’d struggle
It’s one reason why teslas are the best EVsThat guy is far from an expert. Charge car at home. They are designed for most drivers most of the time, not the extremes.
I still think full hybrid is better - PHEVs have had some pretty crazy reliability issues around the world, crappy all battery range underpowered engines, etc. whilst the regular ol' hybrid is battle proven… at least from Toyota's end.
Agree with trouble for Tesla - the Cybertruck is just such an awful vanity project disaster!
Their profit margins are much higher than the majority of mass produced vehicles. They would still be making profit from these sales.
I'm not entirely sure that's correct.
While the US market is showing hesitation, partly because the government is not providing enough incentives, the European market is charging forward with BEVs!
"Europe had about 11.8 million plug-in passenger cars at the end of 2023, accounting for around 30% of the global stock."
While those stats do include both PHEVs (Hybrid) and BEVs (battery-only), the ratio between the two has been strongly shifting towards BEVs.
"The global ratio between BEVs and PHEVs went from 56:44 in 2012, to 71:29 in 2021."
Unless I'm missing some information that you're privvy to, I'd say that the PHEVs are actually the technology that is on the way out, as the market is showing an increased demand for BEVs.
Wonder if there is any price protection for those who ordered and still waiting for delivery …
You'd be spewing otherwisegive it few more years and Tesla is no more, you would be spewing then
Yep. Price drops are honoured on all orders before delivery.
As nxllson mentioned, any buyer that purchased at a higher price will get an email around the date of delivery explaining the price reduction, and bank transfer of the difference sent to them.
If the price goes down, you get refunded.
If the price goes up, the original price is honoured.Tesla do this but I've no idea if other brands do the same.
Thanks, good to know
Toyota certainly let people in waiting for their hybrids to know their car prices are going up and up XD
Why do you call Tesla - junk? This is reasonable car with high than average materials and well maintananed software. With the current electricity plans which provide almost free 0-6:00AM charging, fuel price is not a concern. I am honestly stressed every time when I pay 120+$ to fill my tank on the petrol car which I've used to fill for 70-80$. In opposite on my EV I just pass these petrol stations and charge my car at home at night similar way I do with my phone hassle free. EV is not full replacement for all cars but it definitely worth some premium.
open your eyes and have a look what you can buy in China for $30k then you might know why Tesla is overpriced junk - but im happy you have to buy a $60k car so you don't have to pay for fuel
You can also open your eyes to everyday items thats is 50%-80% cheaper in china. Too bad this is ozbargain not chinabargain - but im happy for you to move to china so you can buy a 30k car
@BarginLord: nah, it will arrive here 1-2 years, about the same time your average tesla price goes down another 50%
@botchie: Imm not defending anything here, but if you think a 30k car anywhere else in the world will cost same when delivered here… Boy you got something else coming
@bobs burgers: Im not saying we will get it for $30k, im saying that this is overpriced by a long shot
price is crashing , its not coming downs slowly - its actually crashing for Tesla , why buy now
@botchie: unfortunately user experience matters more than money to some people. Why do ppl spend more for a scrubdaddy sponge ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@BarginLord: look you can spend your cash on what you want, no probs, plenty of ppl overpay for things, there is no shame in that.
Average car user wont buy this jun - whoever wanted one got one already pretty much.
with new evs that come with phev, I would rather wait and grab one cheaper
Actually given the insane competition in China selling EVs for a massive loss, Tesla is doing quite well there, so it's certainly not over priced junk.
When you finally get the chance to drive an EV you will quickly realise how obsolete ICE cars are. (Which I still drive BTW). Research is showing most EV drivers are not switching for the environment, but the superior experience, reduced running costs.@UltimateAI: If the options are there and they cost the same then I guess evs would win but we are nowhere near that , for starters the Australian government is waiting for someone else to build the infrastructure first it seems , without that who is dumb enough to buy this as their main car .
I would rather have 4wd SUV for the fam till something similar comes along thx@botchie: One argument, is MOST of the Infrastructure is already here, given 90% people are expected to charge at home or destination.
I was intrigued to learn that ICE cars use more Electricity per mile than an EV, one you consider the Electricity used to Extract, Refine, Pump, and Distribute the Petrol. It's not even close.
The biggest challenge will be people like myself changing mindsets that you always leave home on a full tank, so range is far less important.
Clearly if you drive 400+ KM daily, then an EV isn't for you right now. But 300km without a stop, we are already here.@UltimateAI: At the moment an ev is your second car, drive around city car, when the actual infrastructure is build and you can take it to hold coast without 5 hrs recharge in between then it may become mainstream….and cheaper hopefully
@botchie: For some, I know many EV owners, where the EV is there main car, they regularly drive 300+ km to the coast and country and don't charge until they get home or at their destination. Let's be honest if my ICE car took 5 hours to charge, but could charge in my drive while I slept for 1/5th of the price, I would take it. People say EV won't be their main car, but for the reasons above + driving experience, they quickly pivot. I don't expect you to get it until you actually get the chance to experience first hand, as for now you are just going on what the media is telling you. That was also me.
@UltimateAI: I don't understand what your saying , my car cost me $27k, not $60k, when ev is the same price I will consider it , if I buy a $60k ev not to pay for petrol am I really saving
@botchie: What are you on about?
Do you live in the middle of nowhere in the outback, in a tent, with no options for solar or mains electricity?You're talking utter crap here.
For 90% of road users, an EV is more than enough for their primary car.
In Australia, the average road user does 233km per week.
That's less than a full charge for almost every single EV on the market here right now.The infrastructure definitely needs improving, but it's not even remotely as big an issue as you've managed to convince yourself.
The selling point is being able to charge at home, which has nothing to do with the infrastructure (which isn't THAT bad, if you drive a Tesla) which your entire viewpoint is based on.@Deviner: yes sure buddy - you take your ev to snow fields or trip to QLD
I will be fine in my 4WD hauling a jet ski - get off my post teal voter@botchie: You've just proven my point.
Argument entirely based on the exception, rather than the norm.At the moment an ev is your second car
You're telling people what should/shouldn't be their primary car, based on your own situation.
It's a stupid, stupid, stupid point to try to argue.@botchie: EVs are a perfect choice for the SNOW, again perfect example why you shouldn'y believe main stream media. Refer, Norway where over 80% of new cars are EVs and it gets a lot colder there then here!!!
The US had issues due to 110v infrastructure, so unlike here home charging isn't the norm.https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/2/24022282/over-80-percent-o…
PS: Not everyone has to have an EV if you are happy with ICE then that is fine, just don't make false arguments against EVs or people will call you out.
@UltimateAI: Mate, you working for Tesla or something?
https://www.efficiencyvermont.com/blog/how-to/fact-or-fictio….@botchie: "can" follow the tips in the article you quoted and it's not a problem. This post is about Tesla's, that have heat pumps, and double glazing. An excellent combination.
I don't even drive an EV.
You're paying a premium for:
the hard work they did up front building a charging network
A car that is evergreen that receives OTA multiple times per year. These updates are actually pretty meaningful
Warranty that comes to you where ever possible. I've had a a couple of minor things like carbon rear spoiler and drivers door seal replaced under warranty and the process couldn't have been easier.
Would I want a Model 3 Performance for the price of the MG equivalent? Of course I would, but the MG isn't even consideration. On the lower end for a city runabout I would care that much and save the cash.
If only these were SUVs or atleast mid-sized SUVs.
Have you seen the model y?
I thought I was commenting on Model Y thread, sorry. But still it aint that big?
It is surprisingly big and spacious. It’s worth having a look and test drive one
@choofa: I drive a skoda superb, and in the images it looks almost the same or probably slightly bigger.
@John Doh: what makes you want to switch to an SUV? My personally preference is hatch or wagon, so I'm just curious
@John Doh: I was under the impression that SUVs generally had about the same luggage space as a wagon, they just ride a bit higher
@John Doh: The Y has over 30% more cargo space than a Soka Superb, but only around 10% more if you pack the Soka Superb above the liner. The Y isn't as long, but is wider and a taller so feels a lot bigger on the inside. Superb is a nice car though, not an SUV though.
@UltimateAI: I have a Passat wagon and a MY. The MY has more overall space adding in under boot and frunk, but passat has a bigger single space (wider,deeper, higher, squared boot).
You'd be surprissed!
Interior space and rear passenger leg room is the most I've ever seen.
And the luggage capacity is bonkers!
Check out the specs and then compare to other SUVs that seem bigger when you look at them!
There is a reason the Model Y is so popular!
The base model is all you need as well, unless you have money to burn on the LR or Performance.
Y is a huge car, very deceiving from the outside. Like not Prado or ram big, but bigger than most SUV's, and actually not that much heavier either.
@UltimateAI: Agree with this, I didn't even know the Y was an SUV until I sat inside one. Wow there is an incredible amount of space inside but looks a lot smaller from the outside.
Incredible amount of space in these things. Frunk is a decent size, sub trunk is even bigger.. and the boot itself is massive. I’ve had a few mid size SUVs previously but this definitely wins by far.
Cool, Thanks :)
Good deal and low maintenance for the long run.
Did the price just drop again from the other post 30 mins ago???
Different model. This post is for the 3, previous post this morning was for the Y.
Same model, the previous post was also for the Model 3 which was $56,700 then
Just realised the other post includes the order & delivery fee so it's actually the same
Model Y also dropped in sync… $55,900 for standard RWD
How much for an indicator stalk?
not bad for the most advanced EV
Agreed. This is actually a really good deal on a great car
Reasons:
The indicator on the steering wheel is annoying lots of current owners. Lots of wrong signaling happening. People have to put additional stickers just to try and know where they are pressing. ESP in round abouts.
Shitty auto wipers. Everytime it rains. Everyone complains. Can't get the basics right.
Teslavision is SHIT. They deleted Ultra Sonic Sensors which are accurate. Without forward facing cameras and USM. Pple are complaining they bump into objects with the front bumper quite a bit.
Tesla is selling a ":Technologically advanced car", just without the industry basics.
If you are looking to buy one. Hold off for few more months, it WILL drop in price again. Prolly will get close to $10k reductions. TBH. Don't buy one at all. Get any other EV but the tesla.
Also Tesla is going to move to Optus from Tesla as their support network as a cost cutting measure. Cue no longer being able to connect to a tesla through your app when it's parked in some basement carparks. Optus network is woefull.
Tesla is going downhill.
Cost cutting masquerading as high tech.. and the reality distortion field is failing.
Well when the Tesla Robotaxi comes out with just Vision and it works all the other makers will have to dump their expensive LiDAR systems.
In fact they will have to dump all their self driving systems which only work in tiny geofenced areas or ridiculously extreme and unlikely scenarios or both.
They will license Tesla FSD or get out of that business.
lol "when" 2 weeks…
if they cant even fix autowipers whow the (profanity) they bringing robo taxi anytime soon
Not to mention that's not going to help with all the missing features from their car right now..
Full Self driving? Yes eventually.
With the Tesla you're buying now? Doubtful.
As you said… can't even get the wipers right lol.
noticed how most of these are always people says xyz, it's never from personal experience.
How many people think indicators are a deal breaker? Sure u can not like it and it might take some time to get used to. But is it actually a deal breaker for people? What is the ratio?
Wipers are shit, but can be improved with updates. But yes I agree this is shit
Tesla vision is fine, I haven't bumped into anything yet. You must be a bad driver and ignore the warnings to bump into things, it is warns you really early.
Tesla is not going downhill, stop believing everything you see on the internet, do your own research and apply some common sense. Look at how much free cash flow they have. All the design decision is geared towards autonomy, change is gonna rile some people up just like how email and interenet create massive groups of haters. Inflexible people will lose out.
i love Tesla fan boys - can you use the net mate
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/05/20/companies/t…writing is on the wall and the only ppl that cant see it are Tesla fanboys
this time next year share price will be half, year after - who knows
the only thing might save them for a little longer is Bidens China 100% tariffs - why would you have to do that if tesla was superior ?right, a mainstream article… negative news sell. Look into their financial numbers and tell me they are close to dying. If the product is shit, there won't be any of it on the road. If it the product is good ppl will buy them, and u see them on the road. simple as that. You can hate all you want but the facts are there are heaps of them on the road and there is a reason for it
@BarginLord: tell me you wouldnt want this baby for the same $$
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuU1-VZtT5o@botchie: yeah why not its a good car, there are also heaps of article out there show it breaking down, so u're gonna get fans on both side aruging (and most of them dont even own any of them). telsa = trash/ xiaomo = china = bad.
What im highlighting here is that there are heaps of useless opinion on the web and exaggerate news sell. Use your brain and deeper research into topics and stop trusting mainstream articles, go look at what people are saying good about the car and what's negative.
Instantly calling people fanboys and dismissing their thoughts cos you're so skewed and can't see what's good on other side is your own lost.
@BarginLord: Fanboys are ppl that don't see reason
The reason here is that Tesla is overpriced, why do you think they are dropping price like this ?
Have you ever seen marcedes or BMW drop price 3 times in a year ?
How do you feel as a consumer that price keep dropping every 2 months ?I do my research and have concluded that Tesla is overpriced, if it drops to what I deem acceptable price range then yes I would consider it, for now I will drive my Kia , still have 4 years warranty left and it cost me $27k
@botchie: They might have a different business model than the other manufacturers?
As a consumer I don’t really care I own a bike and an ice car which has maintained its price and my model 3 has dropped in price but I would take my 3 almost everyday because it’s a better experience. It’s just my opinion but the experience matters the most.
Price is subjective, if a person likes Apple’s software more and would pay a premium for it that doesn’t make them a fanboy. And it also doesn’t make them blind. They just value different things to you. Before u call me an Apple fanboy I use Linux, Mac OS and pc lol.
The original post was pointing out stuff that are probably not a deal breaker like a deal breaker + saying the company is dying. considering there are so many refreshed model 3s on the road I don’t think that’s true.
@BarginLord: no one has a business model of dropping price if they don't have to .
you might have too much money and dont care about it but I would be pissed if I bought a 3 a year ago and saw my value depreciate so much - thats just me
Im sure user experience is great but like I said, I was never into cars that much and to me they serve for getting from a to in relative comfort .
on fam trips I need my fam to get there safely , that's it, I'll drive a tank if i need to"I was never into cars that much and to me they serve for getting from a to in relative comfort"
Yet, here you are, posting countless comments with silly arguments about how bad Tesla (and EVs in general) are without probably even test driving one.
They have been adjusting their prices up and down, constantly, throughout their existence.
Just do a google and you'll find out.There are lots of reasons you could attribute to that.
Market shift, new competitor on the market, selling off stock before a new model release, milestone achieved in production line to reduce cost, yearly sales forecast not being met (which likely contributed to this last one).Most companies just leave the price as is, but Tesla seem to adjust it constantly.
That's just their business strategy compared to others.As a consumer, I'm all for a price war.
I don't buy the "omg X or Y are about to go bankrupt because they've reduced the price twice in X months" jargon though.@Deviner: not adjusting up, only down, sadly for all the Tesla owners, ah well - guess you dont buy Tesla for resale value anyway right
@botchie: Nope, I wrote my below comment based on actual evidence, unlike most of your anecdotal, misinformed, begrudgery nonsense.
They have been adjusting their prices up and down, constantly, throughout their existence.
@BarginLord: Apple is the wrong comparison considering they deliver on the majority of things they promise and don’t have a vaporware offering (FSD)
They also hold value of all items unlike Tesla and have never had a price drop officially from themselves outside of what retailers do
They do the odd gift card etc but have you ever seen an iPhone go from $2000>$1500>$1000 in 12 months direct from Apple? Never.
@ledzep: im just talking about how 'worth' subjective, not comparing the products itself. Which botchie and I agreed. Personal pref mate. Stop looking for something to argue go outside and touch some grass
As a Tesla owner. It's no stalks is a deal breaker. The reduction in sales numbers by 22% vs previous years clearly shows it is a deal breaker for many too.
Also to your points:
1. The same autonomy that was promised is going "live" a few years ago?
2. The same autonomy that was staged in their "FSD" is working video a few years ago?
3. The vision system that keeps telling me there are obstacles in front of me when there is nothing?
4. The same system that can park my car like a drunkard outside of the lines taking a few mins, which every other manufacturer seems to have developed 10 years ago perfectly?Sorry mate. I think you need to stop drinking the Tesla kool aid.
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