Reolink RLK8-1200D4-A 12MP Security System, Person/Vehicle/Pet Detection $802.39 (Was $1179.99) Delivered @ Reolink

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Description:
Note: This bundle consists of 1-Pack RLN8-410 and 4-Pack RLC-1224A.

Original price: $1179.99
Now: $802.39
Savings: 32%

Get it here: Reolink RLK8-1200D4-A

Key Features
* 12MP Ultra HD
* Person/Vehicle/Pet Detection
* Color Night Vision
* Power over Ethernet
* 8-Channel NVR
* 2-Way Audio
* 2-Year Warranty
* Without Subscription
* Recording: 1)Micro SD Card, not included; 2)FTP; 3)Reolink NVR, included.

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  OldSchoolHarry on 22/01/2024 - 18:00

  +1

  4x 12MP cameras will fill up 2TB in 7 days with continuous recording. However, the Reolink cameras have a pretty bulletproof motion detection system so leaving it on motion recording will be sufficient.

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    Elyxar on 22/01/2024 - 19:05

    Depends on bitrate selected. I have 3x 4K and a 2K recording at max bitrate 24/7 and get 6 days out of the 2TB.

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      Doesnotcompute on 22/01/2024 - 20:35

      Def upgrade. I put a 12tb exos in my reolink nvr and get 6.5 weeks constant recording with 4x 4k (8mp) cameras at max bitrate. Get on it!

      Although spec sheet says 6tb is max, I saw reports online indicating success with larger drives.

      Also with a 7200rpm drive, live stream and playback load much quicker (though drive is louder and chirps a bit)

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        Elyxar on 22/01/2024 - 21:21

        I keep waiting for the 6tb drive to drop in price but I review my cameras everyday so really don't need it. The only reason I would like to have recordings from further back would be for police investigating older crimes in the neighbourhood but likely hood of that need is very low.

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        RichardL on 22/01/2024 - 21:32

        Good to know that you can go over the 6TB.

        Will keep an eye out for a higher capacity drive (just been looking at 6TB, since it was listed as the maximum capacity.).

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          Clear on 22/01/2024 - 22:30

          @RichardL: Just be careful of those refurb drives with the smart data wiped. The constant writes from an NVR will more likely kill the dodgy ones.

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  janoski on 22/01/2024 - 18:03

  How does the d1200 compare to the 1224A

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  shap08 on 22/01/2024 - 18:13

  +3

  Hard to compare with this deal https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/823881

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    dan76n on 22/01/2024 - 18:16

    -1

    The reolink app is not safe to use.

    Why is this?

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    Public21 on 22/01/2024 - 18:47

    Reolink is not the only one that uses P2P for remote viewing. Every brand I looked at uses P2P for remote viewing on their app. I didn't go through every brand, but if you know one that has a secure alternative????? Otherwise use a VPN.

    Reolink does claim they have minimised the risk though:

    https://reolink.com/blog/p2p-ip-camera/#:~:text=Question%201…

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    klaw81 on 22/01/2024 - 19:16

    +3

    I'm definitely not a security expert, but my understanding is that attacks on P2P enabled devices requires that the attacker gain local access to the network in the first instance, in order to obtain the device's fixed cryptography key. The requirement to gain local access severely reduces the threat level.

    Secondly, Reolink claim that the reported security vulnerability was patched via new firmware some years ago, and that P2P exploits as reported by Nozomi are no longer possible.

    Finally, if you're really concerned about this, you can disable the P2P features entirely and use a VPN to access the NVR or cameras remotely.

    TLDR: The above post seems unnecessarily alarmist. Also, the proposed solution "use Blue Iris instead" is absolutely not a practical one for consumers.

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        klaw81 on 22/01/2024 - 20:08

        +1

        1. Reolink being Chinese does not automatically make them bad actors, nor does it make them untrustworthy. Their reputation has real value, they have a vested interest in the security of their products, and they acted quickly to resolve the security issues when they were raised.

        Furthermore, plenty of independent testing shows that Reolink products still work perfectly (with reduced remote-access functionality) when used entirely disconnected to the internet, so it's not like the P2P functions are a trojan horse for something more sinister.

        Using a VPN with Reolink products in this state is entirely secure and enables full functionality, including push notifications.

        2. I agree that the patch has not been independently verified. That's really not Reolink's fault - security researchers don't really have much incentive to re-check to see if fixes have achieved the desired result.

        3. Reolink claims that all traffic, including P2P, is encrypted.

        4. That's not a red flag at all. Reolink's app uses cut and paste for some of its legitimate functions. If you don't like it, disable it - you won't notice the difference unless you try to use those features, and then you can make a decision about whether you're willing to accept the compromise.

        5. Plenty of people have verified that you can turn off P2P and open appropriate ports in your firewall, you can retain push notifications.

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            cav3r on 22/01/2024 - 22:50

            +1

            @[Deactivated]: @klaw81 @BubbleIce - I'm just an IT enthusiast and wanted to share my thoughts on this discussion.

            We know for sure that Reolink uses encryption for P2P connections. So it's completely out of the question that the traffic is unencrypted. :)

            Now in regards to the encryption algorithms, We have two possibilities:

            A. Proprietary Encryption - If Reolink have used their own custom algorithm for encryption, it's either them who can decrypt it. Or a super computer is the only likely thing that can break it. Does anyone have a super computer lying around somewhere to break into someone's frontyard camera?

            Now, reolink can surely decrypt your traffic. But how are they going to get hands on your traffic to begin with? Say you're away on holidays and checking your home camera feed on your phone using your phone data, the only connections that are made to Reolink are your userid/password/uid authentications, not your traffic. All your camera traffic is going from your phone data to your home internet, which means Reolink have nothing to tap into at all.

            B. Standard Encryption - In case they use a publicly adopted standard encryption protocol, not even they will be able to decrypt the traffic (given they get their hands on your traffic, but again, how are they going to have it to begin with?).

            In my opinion, the most likely way someone can tap into your camera feed is when you use a public wifi (airports, hotels, cafes), someone who has Reolink's private keys so that they can decrypt your traffic, and the intention and time to hack into your feed.

            So what are the chances of that happening?

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                cav3r on 22/01/2024 - 22:57

                @[Deactivated]: @BubbleIce - Sorry I forgot to post the link here - https://reolink.com/blog/p2p-ip-camera/#:~:text=viewing%20cl…

                In the past I too had suspicions of Swann using unencrypted P2P traffic. But I did run my own packet capture and found out the traffic encrypted for real. So I would assume reolink does the same. I'll test it one day when I get my hands one a Reolink device for sure. But til then the jury is still out.

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    cav3r on 22/01/2024 - 22:27

    A few years ago I saw swann using P2P and thought it wouldn't be encrypted. But to just to make sure, I captured the packets using a tool called wireshark and found out it uses a 128bit encryption, and it was swann's own encryption protocol. It's neither excellent but not too bad either. It's good enough to have for occasional usage when you're not home. I reckon reolink would have something similar. But again, i'm assuming it. I'll surely test out a reolink device in the future if I get my hands on one.

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    OzBoganYeah on 23/01/2024 - 11:37

    Can you pls elaborate? Or any links where i can read more? Just curious

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  ozvictor on 22/01/2024 - 18:19

  8mp (4k）should be enough for security cam

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    jackwoz on 22/01/2024 - 19:33

    Bill gates in 1981: "640K of memory is all that anybody with a computer would ever need"

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      klaw81 on 22/01/2024 - 19:52

      +1

      It's a good quote when you think about computers in general, but not particularly relevant to security cameras.

      There's very little downside to adding RAM to a PC. Sure, it costs money to install, and you might not often take advantage of the extra capacity. But apart from minutely more power consumption, having more never does any harm. That's absolutely not the case with security cameras.

      Security cameras are generally recording all the time. A higher resolution means higher bandwidth over your network, potentially creating congestion and reducing speeds for other connected devices. In addition, higher resolutions means more storage space required per unit time, and it multiplies based on how many cameras are running. Finally, higher resolution sensors often mean that the sensor size itself shrinks to fit within an acceptable enclosure, which usually means that light sensitivity is reduced, leading to somewhat darker images.

      On the other hand, low resolution is great for saving storage space, and it can be highly sensitive to light, but you if you don't have a clear picture, the usefulness of the recorded event is very limited.

      So you need something in between - sufficient detail to accurately record events with sufficient clarity to recognise faces, read license plates etc, but not so high that light sensitivity is reduced, and such that you need an enormous amount of data storage to keep a week or two worth of recordings.

      In general, the camera industry has settled on resolutions somewhere between 5MP and 8MP as the ideal compromise that keeps network congestion to a minimum, storage requirements acceptable, light sensitivity sufficient to still work in near total darkness, and image clarity good enough to be fit for purpose.

      So in a way @ozvictor is right - 8mp is probably enough. But Reolink and a few others are seeking to push boundaries and move beyond - whether the benefit of presumed higher clarity is worth the additional compromises remains to be seen.

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        jackwoz on 22/01/2024 - 20:04

        I agree with all you wrote.

        I still think though, the issues you pointed out will be resolved (at some stage), clearing the road for higher resolution cameras. in 10 years im sure we'll have higher resolution cameras than 8mp being the standard.

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          klaw81 on 22/01/2024 - 20:11

          +1

          @jackwoz: Yes, as network capacity grows and storage becomes cheaper, the calculus will shift towards higher resolutions.

          However, I would suggest that rewards diminish rapidly beyond a certain point, and I doubt there's any real purpose to anything beyond 10-12MP other than "bigger number is more better."

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  vikramhkumar on 22/01/2024 - 18:33

  +3

  There is a Buy & Get promo which we can choose to add RLA-PoECS1 for free.
  What is a PoE Combiner&Splitter ? - https://support.reolink.com/hc/en-us/articles/20057468511897…

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  disa1377 on 22/01/2024 - 20:00

  From my research, too high mega pixel is actual detrimental to clearer pic. If the subject is not moving in good lighting, it’s ok. Once lighting is low or subject is fast moving, frame rate is actually more important to get useful info. 12mp constant recording usually results in about 15fps vs 25fps for 5mp.

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    quikstix on 22/01/2024 - 21:11

    Depends on the camera and on the sensor etc

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    BradeDoe on 15/02/2024 - 00:31

    Thanks for this handy to know

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  OzBoganYeah on 23/01/2024 - 11:38

  How do you update the firmware on the camera, via app?

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  +1

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    Associateddealbest @ Reolink on 01/02/2024 - 20:36

    +1

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