I was browsing around for a cheap office/media PC and came across this. Seems sharply priced for the specs.
BPC Tech SFF Office System -
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 6 Core Socket AM4 4.4GHz CPU Processor -
16GB DDR4 3200mhz RAM + 256GB NVMe SSD
MSI B450-A PRO MAX AM4 ATX Motherboard -
Inwin CK722 SFF micro ATX Case with 300W PSU
For an extra $49 you can get a monitor thrown in:
https://www.bpctech.com.au/product/officebundle02-bpc-tech-s…
Looks like Dell copy
I wouldn't want to lose BPC any sales for what is probably a perfectly good product but …
AMD has announced its Ryzen 8000G APUs, and they are expected to be available from the end of the month.
An 8600G will be a 7600 with a seriously capable integrated GPU. Capable enough to do gaming. That's what they promise. And they are promising prices below the equivalent 5000G when they were released. So you will be able to buy a low end AM5 motherboard, DDR5 RAM, and, say, and 8600G and get lots of CPU performance and useful gaming performance.
I think anyone considering spending money on a 5600G system now should wait until the next month and see if AMD has met its promises for the 8000G series, and they can get a lot better system for not much money.
I'm sure BPC Tech will have these new APUs. And their customers might be happier customers that they held off purchase.
and they can get a lot better system for not much money.
Wouldn't it cost like $250 more (inc motherboard and DDR5 costs)? For games you'd likely be better off getting a 5600 + 6600.
Probably not that much, DDR5 pricing has come down a lot and AM5 boards are getting cheaper
Capable enough to do gaming
This one can already play games, just not always with high res (1440p and 4k) or high framerates.
E.g.: it plays fortnite above 100FPS on lower settings at 1080p. Even at 4k it manages 20-35FPS (!)
Here's how it runs 22 different games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfkRKjYWN_M&list=PL9rqcNlEor…
A lot of younger kids just want fortnite and other well-optimised esports games and would prefer this to no gaming PC at all.
If you need a decent modern PC for work, and you (or your kids) would like to do some gaming on it too, but you can't afford more than this for a more powerful "proper" gaming PC, then this is still a great option. It may not be worth waiting for an 8000G series that may cost a few hundred more (with the better mobo and RAM you need).
5600G is decent but after looking at this prebuilt specs it's pretty trash for games
Small case and PSU = no GPU upgrade options
Low end motherboard/VRM = small chance of throttling if you play for long periods of time
Single channel RAM = huge bottleneck
I agree. I run all my games on a 5600G and have been for 1.5 years. Loving not having to bother with a dgpu despite having a spare Rx 6800 in the cupboard but couldn't be bothered installing it as all my games run perfect on the 5600G lol..
An 8600G will be a 7600 with a seriously capable integrated GPU. Capable enough to do gaming
8700G is the most powerful APU with 780m graphics, the 8600G has 760m graphics
Notebook check did a test recently and found them to be not that huge of a difference. Most games were performing relatively the same. Probably cause the laptops they were using had 5600mhz rams installed and that is a huge bottleneck for rdna3 igpus.
Even then though, based on the gpd win max 2 refresh with 7600mhz 780m, it'll only be about 10% to 15% difference.
And their customers might be happier customers that they held off purchase.
No chance that anyone could build a full 8600G system like this for sub $450
CPU alone will be $350 and at current prices, the worst AM5 motherboard plus cheapest DDR5 is another $200+
Then another $100 for the cheapest case and PSU
The real micro builds will be with the top spec 8700G which runs the same Radeon 780M iGPU as the 7840U seen in all the recent Acer notebook deals
With the 65W TDP, GPU speed will similar to a GTX 1650 / RX 6400 and fine for kids and eSports titles
Total build pricing will still be poor until AMD fixes the pricing of A720/B750 chipsets and the excessive VRM requirements that are preventing cheaper AM5 boards being made
Yeah, it'll about 800 for a 8600G system. It's simply still too expensive for entry level.
Good for NAS, jellyfin server, retro game console etc
how are the temps on this thing
They will be easily within spec. 5600g isn't too hot
The case has an 80mm fan which should give it better thermals compared to most prebuilts that only use the cpu fan as the exhaust fan.
Knowing you can provide someone with a solid performance small PC and 75hz 24 inch HD monitor for $500 is awesome.
I would normally to just buy a low profile 1050ti but the 5600G already handles most eSports titles on high 1080p.
8000G APUs will have gtx 1060 level GPU performance built in, so save your $ for that. I've finally been convinced to upgrade. AMD just signed the death warrant of the low and mid range GPU market. Keep your eyes peeled for GPU fire sales. 🔥
Are they available on laptops? Just bought a laptop with 7840HS with 780m. Should I return it and wait for 8000G APU?
The 8000G APU has the 780m, so same as the laptop.
ok….but the 780m is no where near 1060 performance. 780m is just below 1650 DDR6
@Homr: 1060 is technically faster on paper than the 1650.
Even so, i use a 1650 in my gaming box and it's capable enough for my games. This isn’t even taking into account the lesser power draw of the new AMD APUs. I wouldn't be surprised if it used almost half the watts from the wall, vs what I'm using now.
The 8000Gs use the exact same silicon inside them as the laptop processors like the 7840HS. Same CPU silicon, same integrated GPU. But in the laptops it is speed limited to reduce power consumption so you don't need a big fan and a big battery. In the 8000G desktop APUs that same silicon doesn't have to be speed limited to laptop speed and power consumption, it can run at full speed.
Can this be used as a server ?
yes, see above
For most home uses yes. Even a Raspberry pi can act as a server. It depends on what you want to do.
Would this be suitable as a Plex media server for transcoding?
Wanting to move away from my old shield as its unreliable?
Thoughts?
If you are going to use shield as a receiver you shouldn't need transcoding
Better off with an Intel gen8+ CPU using its iGPU with Quicksync for transcoding.
So a dell usff with i5-8500T is ideal for that.
No o/s right?
Bazzite is free…
Price is good, but for some reason I have no appeal to the case. It reminds me too much of work !!
Full ATX mb inside a microATX case? How???
The description is janky. Under specifications the motherboard is MSI B450M-A PRO MAX AM4 Micro-ATX
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX is a full size atx board. First thing I did after finding this oddity was confirm with the msi website what size the board was.
On the deal's link scroll down and click on the Specifications tab and it will show a list of the components included in the PC and under motherboard it links to the Micro-ATX variant.
https://www.bpctech.com.au/product/b450m-a-pro-max-msi-b450m…
I have been looking for a small desktop which has DP over USB-c and is not a Mac Mini but seems like it's simply not there. Wondering why.
I have been looking for a small desktop which has DP over USB-c
I've got one sitting on my desk. Its a $160 refurbed HP T640 thin client with full Windows installed on it. Fanless Ryzen. SODIMMs. M.2 gen3 SSD. Lots of USB3, including some at 10 Mb/s. Lots of DP ports. Note though that the DP over USB-C is a factory option. If you want that you've got to make sure the particular one you're buying has got it.
For just the CPU , how is this compare with a 10700T?
About the same but 5600G slightly faster on tests.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700T-v…
If anyone else has bought this and wants to buy the ram out of it or sell theirs, please pm me
im not that computer savvy - is it worth doing this, adding windows11, a bigger HDD and ram and end up paying close to 800 - 900?
i love the idea of a mini sized PC, but maybe id buy a better more complete system for the same pricce rather than adding on to this?
All depends what you plan on using it for?
This system will handle day to day tasks with ease and should have space for a secondary hard drive.
If you want to do some gaming or video editing, techfast have a good deal on a low end gaming rig:
It will meet my needs, im just not sure if the add ons i require will then make it not worth it and better to find something else for the price range.
I dont really want a big gaming PC, that would probably have better specs for the same price i guess.
thank you
Does this include an OS? What would be the cheapest way to get Windows 11 Home on it?
I've bought from here in the past. The keys worked fine.
https://www.gamers-outlet.net/en/buy-windows-10-professional…
Is it worth doing the CPU (to 5700G) and/or RAM (to 32GB) upgrades? I know there's an element of "it depends", but say I was prepared to pay the extra $170, would this still be a good value system or is there another better one for ~$620?
My advice for changing the CPU to 5700G it wouldn't be worth it…. but Ram upgrade to 32GB would be worth it.
I think this is as good as it gets for a small pre-built $518 but remember it doesn't come with a windows 11 license ($199 additional).
The only downside I see for this system is future upgradabilty if you wanted to get a better dedicated graphics later for gaming in which case I would suggest maybe look elsewhere for a system with a standard case and a reasonable 500watt PSU.
Case looks like a Dell Optiplex but is an actual InWin Case (Inwin CK722 SFF micro ATX Case).