Verso is giving away a whole lot of their ebooks about Palestine. Anthony Lowenstein just won a Walkley award for his book "The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports The Technology of Occupation around The World", so you know journalists think it's the real deal.
Plenty of others there if you'd like a deeper understanding of what's happening in the middle east right now.
Think of it as a litmus test!
you're sharing a website which has been, hacked and made a tool for zionist propaganda:
Haaretz reports it above, one of Israels leading news outlets.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-20/ty-article/.p…
@fat queenslander: This comment is full of so much BS it should be taken down. Babies in ovens etc is just propaganda, anyone who's been following this knows there is no 40 beheaded babies and that was just Israeli propaganda to justify the slaughter of thousands of Palestinians.
Noting you also haven't made a comment for 3 weeks since the games for Gaza post, and then suddenly Israel Palestine comes up and you are straight on it. What have you got a notification so you can come on here and spread your BS?
@fat queenslander: You've already shown that you come to your conclusions without care for the truth, so you are right at home "barracking" for Israel and the mass murder of Palestinian civillians. Meanwhile:
The propaganda war is real. Why run with the propaganda is one side is so virtuous and the other so evil? it shouldn't be necessary, but it clearly is because that statement isn't true
you also haven't made a comment for 3 weeks since the games for Gaza post, and then suddenly Israel Palestine comes up and you are straight on it
He's Hasbara mate
7 hours of terrorism for israelis.
75 years of yerrorism for Palestianians
@lew380: Ok genocide apologist.
stupid is Knowing the truth, seeing the truth, but still believing the lies.
@zemphism: It's a complicated issue, their is no one truth. Isreal is not genocidal, but they are willing to allow a lot of collateral damage, hamas are willing to sacrifice their own population for optics, they are willing and enjoy the slaughter of innocents, not all palistinians are hamas terrorists, but a large proportion at least support them.
This is true for all wars, we carpet bombed civilians in Berlin during WW2, we justified that because they voted and allowed the Nazis. Nuked Japan to save some of our troops. This isn't a whole lot different. The Jews aren't willing to lose many of their own to save some of their crazy neighbours under the boot of hamas. Is it fair and just? Hell no! It's war and isreal are pissed. Just be thankful our government isnt trying to start a war with China or some super power that will crush us.
@lew380: Are you ok with Palestinian children being killed by Israel? Without making “but Hamas” excuses?
@gamemaster: Listen to the son of Hamas co-founder as he denounces group at UN, and exposes 'Savage' indoctrination of Palestinian kids. Truth hurts when it comes from the Palestinians themselves. I wonder how you will justify saying it's false or Zionist propaganda, I'm sure you will find a way, despite truth being spoken at you by someone who is closer to the conflict, and has more knowledge about the conflict, than you ever were or have.
Video
Oh and it's also a "Free" deal, but much better and less propaganda than these propaganda books
@fat queenslander: The issue is the thousands of innocent Palestinians civilians being killed, many which are children. If you can’t show any empathy or humanity towards those Palestinian victims of Israeli bombing then your beliefs are toxic.
I’m against all violence against all civilians. I’d encourage you to share the same beliefs.
@gamemaster: Of course it's terrible that innocent civilians are being killed, it's a shame that you did not watch the video as you would've understood why this is all happening, and must keep happening to eliminate Hamas.
Here have another link to the Video, 30 minutes but so much more informative than the comments section.
@fat queenslander: So a Palestinian who defects to Israeli, converts to Christianity, moves to an America and hopes to get asylum isn’t going to speak poorly about Hamas. Talk about bias.
In any case I couldn’t care less about Hamas, I don’t support them. My concern is the innocent Palestinians who are being brutally and cruelty slaughtered by Israel. They are the victims and the ones we should support.
@gamemaster: Absolutely, we should all support the Palestinians, you can start by helping in any way to rid them of Hamas oppression. That is the number 1 cause of their suffering right now.
Shame you don't want to see the video, as it would explain a lot. Guess you are afraid of learning some uncomfortable truths.
BTW, I found the original video on the UN website, here's an updated link for your viewing pleasure, the co-founders son's speech starts at about 11:00
@fat queenslander: You mean savage indoctrination like this video of Israeli kids singing for the annihilation of Palestinians: https://youtu.be/67KXRi4gCSw?si=l2nxrb01AWZhE6nY
@Jackson: You obviously did not watch the Hamas co-founders son speech condemning Hamas and their use of children
The video you've linked is from an esoteric little podcast, I'm not confident of its trustworthiness. The UN, on the other hand, you know from its stance on Israel (which is anti-Israel, if you are not aware), publishing such a speech on their site only makes it more trustworthy.
You can find examples of extremism anywhere, I've never heard of the organisation that created that video even, not that it matters. looks like a cheap production meant to incite, which it clearly succeeded in doing, they did a great job working on their ad revenue (the podcast).
You seem to not understand or not care about the simple truth that there is a simple difference between Israel and Palestine:
If Israel puts down their guns there would be no more Israel.
If the Palestinians put down their guns there would be peace.
I will not convince you, and that is ok, I just hope that if anyone who's on the fence on the matter of whether to support Islamist extremism or support Israel (which has the same values as Australia mind you), they would make the right choice.
@gamemaster: And the children will continue to be killed until hamas are eliminated. Hamas use children and women as human shields, while simultaneously provoking an endless war that they will never win. You don't have to be a wizard to realise that there is no solution with a crazy despotic antisemitic regime like hamas. Collateral damage is also a problem, and it should be discussed, but what would you have isreal do? How many isrealis need to die until you would approve of their retaliation? They have to fight back at some point, we can debate when but it's isreal making that call.
@lew380: "Hamas use children and women as human shields"
Here is some concrete proof that hamas uses children as human shields: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm
@ialam99: Common man, tied a kid to their jeep to stop the crazies throwing rocks and it will be investigated and heads will roll, isreal are civilised.
@lew380: "It's a complicated issue, their is no one truth. Isreal is not genocidal"
When a country cuts off food, water, electricity and fuel to an entire population then that feels genocidal to me.
@ialam99: You feelings have no impact on what is and what is not genocidal. It's a tactic in war to starve out your enemies, questionable but a far cry from genocide, I think isreal have that right here. I guess the first rule of war is don't start a war where your enemy has that power, hamas (and the Palestinians) started it.
The thing that really bugs me is the scenes of carnage to the Palestinians, men holding up their dead. Days ago they were cheering on the slaughter of Jews, beating and mutilating the bodies of civilians, and now they are reaping the repercussions and demand full sympathy. It's tragic for so many reason, the incoccent suffer because the Palestinians instigate, incite and support hamas still. Maybe there is no solution, violence seems to be the only solution from both sides. A horrible conflict.
@lew380: B'Tselem is an israeli human rights organisation that they have suggested there is only one state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea and that state is anchored in the principle of jewish supremacy (this was the term used by the israeli human rights group). Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have published reports that suggest Israel is an apartheid state. A simple google search can land you with comprehensive reports from the various human rights organisations. I struggle to understand how Apartheid Israel can suggest this all started on the 7th of October.
@ialam99: Educate yourself on the definition of apartheid, Israel has arab Israeli members of Knesset (the Israeli parliament), arab Israelis can vote, can attend universities, public transport, use all amenities and infrastructure. You are ignorant of the facts and just spew the garbage chanted over and over by the pro-Palestinian, anti Israel supporters. Shame on you
@fat queenslander: I suspect Amnesty, Human Rights Watch and Harvard law school knows a thing or two about human rights and apartheid. Its interesting their comments around arab israeli citizen rights under israeli law, espically B'Tselem which is an israeli human rights organisation. These documents are hundreds of pages each so i suspect it'll take you a few days to educate yourself on the apartheid state that you're defending.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-…
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra…
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_de…
https://hrp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/IHRC-…
@ialam99: “Israel is an apartheid state.”
Really? Do you know that there are Arabs in basically every important role in Israeli society?
Do you know there are Arab Supreme Court judges? Members of parliament?
Does that sound like an apartheid?
I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Nor those enlightened organisations for that matter. Intellectual degeneration is what it is.
@ialam99: You can view the Jewish desire for a Jewish state as some kinda "jew supremacy", but then you have to denounce the Egyptians for their Egyptian supremecy around the Nile region, etc. All states are based around the supremacy of some group or cultural/religious identity, be consistent. The Jews are allowed to have a country, no matter what the anti Semites claim behind their orgs.
@lew380: You've been a Zionist cheerleader on this forum for I don't know how many years now and you still can't spell Israel correctly.
If you want to have a hope in hell of people taking your copy-pasted propaganda even half-seriously, spell correctly otherwise expect for people to ridicule you endlessly when you attempt to sound authoritative on a conflict where you misspell one of the belligerent nation's names CONSTANTLY.
Though I like to imagine your constant "Is-real?" typo is actually a subconscious admission from your conscience that no, Israel is in fact, not a real state.
@Miami Mall Alien: Is a Zionist cheerleader someone who thinks that immigrants all the around the world don't need to die for their horrible crime of seeking a better life in a country of their choosing. Sure, a lot of immigration is pretty bad for the host country, especially mass immigration from shit hole countries. But I think the Jews, fleeing the holocaust of their people, have a right to flee Europe and the west, who betrayed them, and settle their own land and protect their own people.
So the only thing that tops your hatred of the Jews is your passion for grammr nazi obsession? Ironic hey.
Edit. Thx for posting that link, it was cool to see your massive rant on your hatred of the Jews, and bitter outlook on everything that Israel has done. Your assertion that isreal went around in 1948 and kidnapped all the Arab Jews and used them as forced labours(slaves maybe?) is hilarious. It seems you are just as unstable, irrational and bitter then as you are now. The spirit of the anti christ is strong in you.
@lew380: Lol, I'm not going to debate a clown who cannot consistently spell the name of a country correctly that's been all over the news for a solid month now.
Your assertion that isreal went around in 1948 and kidnapped all the Arab Jews and used them as forced labours(slaves maybe?) is hilarious.
I see you've taken a page out of Israel's book and just invented sh*t out of thin air but please, do quote the part where I said anything resembling your ridiculous claim. I'll wait…
It seems you are just as unstable, irrational and bitter then as you are now.
It seems you're still being negged to death now just like you were in that previous thread I linked from several years ago?
Mate, the tides have swung decisively against you and your little special group of eternal victims… no one cares about "Is-real?" and it's unreal perception of reality anymore.
The spirit of the anti christ is strong in you.
Not that I believe in any variety of Abrahamic death-cult bullsh*t but remind me again… who killed Jesus? Haha… don't give yourself a sprained ego from all of those mental gymnastics you have to engage in to believe in the ridiculously contradictory ideology you have.
@Miami Mall Alien: The tides have swung against who? I expect to get negged, the average person is an angry bitter anti Semite. God reigns, his people will endure. They will outlive and endure you and I. Going with popular opinion, in a tide of morons, has never, and will never go well. May God bless you mate, he stands at the door and knocks. Hes polite.
If you want a very balanced view on this subject and don't want to read the books, watch this BBC series on Youtube. It's an older TV series from a Jewish/American/UK reporter but very factual.
The 50 Years War: Israel and the Arabs
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpoX921v2BDLjkwGwRdop…
..and from our own ABC …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-13/before-the-war:/10297… (Foreign Correspondent October 2023)
As the UN secretary-general, Antonio Guterres said about the Hamas attacks on Israel "it did not happen in a vacuum"
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-wa…
The above TV series explain why it didn't happen in a vacuum.
In travelling around the Occupied West Bank I kept seeing these signs outside the illegal settlements.
https://scalar.usc.edu/nehvectors/how-to-see-palestine/b-is-… (Photo credit: HOW TO SEE PALESTINE: AN ABC OF OCCUPATION BY NICHOLAS MIRZOEFF)
For somebody not from there, I used Google Lens to find out what it signified. On learning what it was I realised that it was "thumbing its nose at the surrounding population" and was offensive. Imagine what that's like, driving past that every day.
PS I'm a non-religious Anglo-Celt who returned from Jerusalem and the Occupied West Bank on October 4. I saw for myself how some Israel police badly treated some of the Arab population.
200+ upvotes versus a few handfuls of downvotes says enough.
Glory to Palestine.
@Mike911: Very telling your comment about Israel destroying Hamas is downvoted. They know exactly what Hamas is, and they openly support them. It's disgusting. Luckily they are the vocal minority. I stand by Israel. Never again.
@addison666: Agree!
Just number of votes on some irrelevant forum for this discussion somewhere on the internet doesn't matter to anyone.
I am truly admire what Israel is. No doubt, regarding that.
thank you for sharing.
"Balanced view" and BBC / ABC do not mix. They're extremely biased.
LIkewise to learn more about the UN, see https://unwatch.org/
This.
wth do you know
lol now I understand the points of view here.
Can I ask what you would consider some non-biased news services?
Apparently the media bias fact checkers are the most biased of them all - totally disagreeing with you so blatantly. Disgusting!
Yes, BBC the most propaganda driven media company
"it did not happen in a vacuum"
Indeed.
Just note that most Mainstream Media here is owned by Murdoch and Globally, especially in the US.
Where are the free Books ?
about (in no particular order)
Russia-Ukraine relations,
North Korea-South Korea relations,
Armenia-Azerbaijan relations,
India-Pakistan relations,
etc.
I like how you wrote Russia-Ukraine RELATIONS
Also, Darfur, Iran and so many other places that do horrible things to entire populations of ethnic people NOW. No one cares unless they belong to that one religion
…the thing is, what we know is only the last 30-seconds of a 9-hour movie or something like that.
Imagine, we walked into a movie theatre, with the movie playing.
We see different people watching the movie in the theatre,
some have been there for 1-minute,
others have been there for 15-seconds,
there are also dead bodies there too…as they scribbled down
notes of what they saw in a few seconds,
and then when they passed away….other people erased their notes
or replaced their notes with other information.
So, everyone is just arguing about the plot of the 9-hour movie,
based on 15-30 second snippet,
but not realising how the storyline actually was.
We are just in one long movie…
PS:
I don't know why got you negged either.
(It wasn't me)
do you make the same posts when there are 15% off belkin?
"where are the xx deals"?
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Thanks for sharing.
7 minutes and no zionists in the comments yet……they’re slipping
Hard for them to call this one Hamas propaganda when the author is a guy called Loewenstein
Cue the Uncle Joshua comments
What's an "Uncle Joshua" comment?
@King Tightarse: Yes, I just picked the most Jewish name that immediately came to mind. SHJ is of course the term actually used but it is an ugly term.
Thematically ‘Uncle Jeremiah’ would be better, but it’s loaded in Lowenstein’s favour, so would never catch on as an epithet.
Once again, as someone who will try bring some sanity to the comments. There are Jews and Israelis that are pro Palestine. There are people muslims and Palestinians living in the west bank and Gaza that are anti Hamas. Not wise using this as an argument unless you’re happy using it both ways
I know, I know. I was being a bit tongue in cheek there.
thanks for weighing in. you come across as very level-headed, normal, and totally sane
wow
He's been completely discredited more than a decade ago.
"Self hating joo"
Surname and the fact he was born Jewish doesn't mean anything. Anthony Lowenstein is an absolute antisemite and anti-Israel. The same as Norman Finkelstein.
Again with the Antisemite card, it must be from a playbook as it’s almost like clockwork. When you can’t contribute to an argument you attempt to shut it down with the antisemite card. It’s a cowardly and disingenuous tactic.
@gamemaster: I can say the same things about you, that what you say (and how you say it) is a cowardly and disingenuous tactic. But I don't want to do it, it's your style of approach. How you did contribute? Nothing here to contribute, Anthony Lowenstein is a typical example of a self-hating jew. And nothing I can add to that. He is anti-Jewish and anti-Israel, and again I have nothing to add to that.
These are examples of antisemitism, and Anthony Lowenstein has plenty of them in his books.
Good enough for you?
1) Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
2) Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
3) Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
4) Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
5) Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
6) Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
7) Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
8) Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
9) Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
10) Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
11) Holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel.
Ukraine vs Russia is not a complicated topic. Israel vs Palstine is no different. It's not very complicated to work out what the right thing to do is.
Look at the various international laws and how diametrically opposed the actions of Israel are. It is very easy to tell who is subjugated to racism and fascism and which side is truly evil.
Anthony Lowenstein comes from Jewish heritage and is a critic of the Israeli oppressive regime. I've read "My Israel Question" and it was very informative and impartial with simple facts.
Thank you OP, will see if there are other interesting reads.
Look at the various international laws
Does the government of Gaza follow international laws?
100% they do, that October short holiday in Isreal was by the book!
Unfortunately, your negative vote isn't! Reported.
@poppingtags: Same reason you did in for the free sound of freedom post earlier this year, you disagree with the post correct ?
@gasman70: You can ez check on their voted page.
Theoretically, you shouldn't negative vote unless A. B. C and C as per Ozb' items and conditions.
In reality, Ozb has allowed negative votes on highly political or racial or sexual posts.
Why do people misspell Israel, as "Isreal". Are they illiterate?
@iguana: I can only speak for myself, and in this case, typing too fast during my lunch break haha
Would edit if I could but its locked now !
Are they illiterate?
Be careful about throwing stones… Oh wait, what's this…
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14603396/redir
Why did you randomly capitalise the W in 'when'. ar yu illitterit?
@1st-Amendment: Looks to me like he missed a full stop.
Are you comprehension challenged, or visually impaired?
Why do people misspell Israel, as "Isreal". Are they illiterate?
A comical Freudian slip. "Is real?" No, it isn't. It's a fraudulent state who's existence is based on lies, genocide, a superiority complex, erasing the past and silencing dissent.
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Boy I'm sure these comments will be sane and respectful.