Seems to be a good price on launch day given its $50 less than RRP
Not as good as JB /TGG if combine with Ultimate GC 15% off though
Pro Max 256GB Sold Out
All iPhone models
Seems to be a good price on launch day given its $50 less than RRP
Not as good as JB /TGG if combine with Ultimate GC 15% off though
Pro Max 256GB Sold Out
All iPhone models
But then you're stuck with a Samsung and a Google phone.
And thats a very good thing
I mean if you've never used an iPhone, sure?
As much as I hate Apple for being a greedy restrictive company, I have to dispute you on that. Samesoong has bloated software that doesn't always work well and it costs just as much as an iPhone for flagship variants. Google has shit hardware.
With Apple at least your know what you get is quality both on the hardware and software perspective
@0FoxGiven: +1 I've been Apple shop for the last 15 years.. jumping ship has been on my mind the last few years.
Apple has stopped innovating..
but the competition? sorry.. (read between the lines)…
Tim Cook really thinks consumers are idiots with the current pricing and line of products..
@Andreu: *Tim Cook thinks Apple Fanboiz are idiots.
I had an iphone 6 and dont get me wrong it was cutting edge and put android to shame.
This was the last time apple actually had any competitive advantage. Getting out of the Apple ecosystem was a big step for me but i'm glad i took it, Android has come leaps and bounds.
Getting out of the Apple ecosystem was a big step for me but i'm glad i took it
Lol. AA? Which sobriety coin are you up to?
@Andreu: same here, only missed the iPhone 6s in the line up rest
i had all the flagships of apple iphones. But its really getting into a sales race where consumers are though of an idiots, the USB 2 on iPhone 15 is a kick in the gut when market is ready with fast charging from decades and you still want to make it inferior in one feature. So in the next WWDC event you can add and say that you invented something new or added a faster feature, They are running out of ideas.
@smartazz104: At least they’re doing flips and folds and the like. If you actually hold these devices they are simply breathtaking to use and engage with.
Such a refreshing change from a slab that’s been for the last X years.
I have an iPhone 13 PM, but my last exciting iPhone would have to be the X. Since then my upgrades (12 pro and 13 Pro max) have been yeah whatever cool battery life…
The Samsung flip made me feel like a kid again.
@Andreu: Agree Apple has stopped innovating, the hardware and software haven’t changed much since iPhone X but I can’t agree that Tim Cook is wrong with the pricing… you would also push the prices up till sales start dropping of - that obviously hasn’t happened and as a extra bonus it makes the product almost a luxury item for those who can’t so they strive even harder to get it and if they can’t they get the non-pro models
SE etc. win win in every regard for Apple.
@0FoxGiven: what bloated samsung sotware and what doesnt work well? Is this opinion from 15 years ago?
@alz: Samsung has grown very stagnant in last few years. Oneui is feature rich but also the most inconsistent and least smooth Android skin.
@asdaf1118: "Samsung has grown very stagnant in last few years"
Yeah and apple are the pinnacle of innovation.
Look. A new colour. Look. USB-C.ooooooo groundbreaking.
@coffeeinmyveins: Apple is and will always be its own thing though. You might want to compare the pace at which they implement new shit to android but it's never going to matter for Apple. If we're comparing WITHIN the Android space, then yes Samsung is literally the most stagnant(even regressing in some areas) manufacturer by a long shot.
@asdaf1118: What are the other Android manufacturers doing to progress phones?
@ihfree: Somewhat slightly goes against my point but they've all stagnated a little- Samsung just has done little relative to what they had before. Every manufacturers is more or less just padding cameras or faster charging(both make big differences though) while samsung has changed just about nothing in their flagship line and multiple phones in their lineup have gotten cost reduction measures in some form.
@asdaf1118: I understand where you're coming from but I actually appreciate their efforts have been on the basics, like transitions, design cohesion and removing some of the bloatware. They arent 100% there yet but they're closer than ever. I just picked up a Tab S9 and the issues are more obvious there. But the usefulness of DeX in the tablet form-factor, and the experience of using the S-Pen vs the Apple Pencil can't be overstated for the right use case. It's their Australian support network that should scare the away the faint-hearted, IMO.
@alz: It's still true. Having used a S20FE and now a S22 Ultra.
There are a bunch of apps that can't be uninstalled or disabled without effort - eg: Calendar, OneDrive. Bixby.
Would love a Samsung device running a Pixel experience.
There are a bunch of apps that can't be uninstalled or disabled without effort - eg: Calendar, OneDrive. Bixby.
Have you tried holding the app icon and clicking the disable button that appears? I've just tried for all three of your examples and have had no issues.
@alz: 15 years ago I wouldn't even think of using a Samsung phone. This is my opinion from now. I use a Flip4 and spent quite some time using ADBtools to clean out the bloatware and I still think the software/OS on the Pixel and OnePlus phones look better
@0FoxGiven: perfectly put, used samsung for a long time, finally got enough money to try apple in 2019 and i aint goin back, what i hate about fanboys is that most samsung fanboys are brokies.. so they justify their choice of the platform (android) mostly based on value for money. if money is no option the choice would be apple. but they wont admit it.
i still like Samsung and i think they make the best android phones, i just like apple a bit more
is apple twice the phone samsung is? NO is it about %25 percent better based on my experience, and is that worth paying nearly twice money for? for me yes
@Roe Jogan: Which Samsung phone did you come from? My S23 Ultra and S23's which I have bought for my family have been a great pleasure to use and a perfect productivity tool for me personally.
@Handymancan: s10 plus, and many before it since s4
again im not saying its bad please listen to the message, samsung is A GREAT PHONE, i just find apple to be about 25 percent better overall. its polished experience and how it all comes together.
edit: i didnt neg you btw
@Roe Jogan: No worries at all, yes Apple had its golden years from the iPhone 5 to iPhone 11.
I had the Galaxy S4 which was probably the last great Samsung phone and it all went downhill from there until the latest S23.
I do recall the S10 having performance and battery life issues due to exynos processor, you made the right choice switching to Apple that time. The main thing to look out for the next Samsung lineup is that they continue to use the Snap Dragon chipset as it makes a world of difference.
@Roe Jogan: Hahaha fk thats some high level copium thinking apple is the best you could get oh how wrong you are. Thats why andriods marketshare is alot higher than apple.
@Jasonio: His points close though. Western and more affluent markets overwhelmingly go iOS. Android has thousands of variants. Some expensive but more often budget friendly, that are unsurprisingly bought in poorer markets. The divide internationally generally comes down to money.
used samsung for a long time, finally got enough money to try apple in 2019 and i aint goin back, what i hate about fanboys is that most samsung fanboys are brokies.. so they justify their choice of the platform (android) mostly based on value for money.
Sales for Apple are stagnating in first world countries but increasing in lesser developed countries. A lot of young purchasers of Apple buy it because they think it makes them look 'wealthy' and 'cool'. That doesn't mean they aren't broke and based on your mentality and only being able to afford an iPhone in 2019… tells me you are still young and a 'brokie'.
I use both, I like both for different reasons and I strongly dislike both for different reasons. iPhones do 5 things, but 5 things extremely well. Android do 1000 things, but 1000 things half arsed. Ultimately, if I had to pick one, I'd pick a Samsung Android specifically, as it does all the main functions required just as well as iPhones but has a bunch of experimental things that are fun to play with and as you pointed out, price point… I get all this for around 40% less. That's how rich people stay from being broke.
@ShinK0: whats funny to me is you are on an apple deal talking about Samsung in the comments. its always Samsung brokies who come to apple deal posts and boast about how Samsung is better, its like the Christian missionaries who come knocking who want to talk about our lord and saviour, the answer is always the same from us apple users, we don't care about your opinion. this is what makes me hate mostly fanatic Samsung fanboys is they forcefully try to come and convert you lmao. just do you, you never see apple buyers come talk shit on a samsung post because we dont care. buy what ever you like..
you like to call apple buyers sheeple (someone like me who has used both for years and prefers apple) so i think i can call fanatic Samsung fanboys brokies no?
@Roe Jogan: Clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Imagine being the person that brings up financial status to determine which phone is 'better'. Quit being a clown and read what I said again, they are both good in their own way.
As for Apple users not going into Android comments, that's simply because they don't have a leg to stand on currently. I'm sure, as we've seen in the past, Apple users will reappear in Android comments when Apple does something more innovative, such is life. Don't continue to be a simpleton and stop projecting, I didn't say anything you've just mentioned.
@ShinK0: "Well, it's clear you've got a knack for twisting things around. Impressive! Let's spell it out again: your initial comment rightly pointed out that both phones have their strengths. Samsung's affordability is one of its biggest strengths, and that's a fact many appreciate as brokies. Now, if you fail to be amused by a hint of smarminess, that's your problem.
Now, let's address the name-calling. Using words like 'clown' and 'simpleton' doesn't exactly scream 'mature debate.' It almost seems like you're trying to win a battle nobody else is fighting.
@Roe Jogan: So by your logic, you are stating only broke people buy Androids and those that aren't buy iPhones? Surely, you aren't silly enough to expect anyone to consider you mature if that's how you assess which phone is better. There are only two camps for phones iOS and Android, to think there isn't a mix of different types of people that buy either makes you…?
Now, you've gotten insanely worked up over such a basic debate. I think you've had enough internet for today.
@ShinK0: you keep missing the joke I clearly pointed it out in my last comment "if you fail to be amused by a hint of smarminess, that's your problem." but it went over your head again, so if i have to point it out again i think we got bigger problems than this discussion.. also yes most broke people buy android because its all they can afford and its the more affordable option, yes there are some who aren't broke who prefer it over IOS but most buy it because its more affordable. prove me wrong? lol you seem so worked up that the brokie comment really has gotten to you. it shows a bit of insecurity about your finances otherwise you would let it slide if it wasn't a problem no?
@Roe Jogan: Looks like I'm not the only one that noticed you have reading comprehension issues. Kiddo, stop projecting, I'm not here to tell you which brand of phone is better. Only to question your theory on 'Brokies buy Android' and then you went on a rant about things I never once said or even insinuated. I don't mind if you consider me broke, I have just never heard someone's reasoning for another phone being better because only poor people buy another. It's very… pathetic.
I know many broke people that buy iPhones, like yourself when you indicated you had to buy Androids until you could 'save' up for an iPhone and now you are in the iPhone club all of a sudden you aren't a 'brokie' anymore? =P
@Roe Jogan: Oh thanks for the DM dude! Really shows maturity. For anyone wondering, this is what it says:
Subject: Dear Mr Brokie
hey brokie :P
enjoy your cheap samsung phone and stop trolling on iphone posts to make your self feel better its pathetic
You got really upset huh… LOL
@Roe Jogan: It's a weird one to bring up cost as a barrier. It's not exactly a high barrier to entry. Some of the people I know with the latest iPhone Pro have questionable financial situations.
@ihfree: Yeah, it's true, you do occasionally come across those posers who might go to great lengths, like maxing out Credit cards or selling a kidney, just to get their hands on an iPhone. However, my initial comment was more directed at cough cough @ShinK0 those who make their device choices solely based on value for money. Then, they proceed to flood Apple iPhone YouTube videos or OzBargain apple iphone deal comment sections, boasting about their choice and insisting that it's the only right one for everyone.
But let's be honest here, the comparison between premium pricing is a bit of a no-brainer. Last week, the top-of-the-line Samsung S23 Ultra was on sale for a cool $1,065. Meanwhile, Apple's cheapest offering starts at a hefty $1,499. There's no denying which one leans more towards premium pricing, and let's not forget how often each of them goes on sale.
@Roe Jogan: I know of people who make buy products they can't afford through dodgy means.
However, my initial comment was more directed at cough cough @ShinK0 those who make their device choices solely based on value for money. Then, they proceed to flood Apple iPhone YouTube videos or OzBargain deal comment sections, boasting about their choice and insisting that it's the only right one for everyone.
I really don't think @ShinK0 has done that in their comment. It seems balanced to me.
Besides, there is nothing wrong with making a decision based on value for money. I certainly do it for certain products. I also buy premium products when I feel like there is value.
But let's be honest here, the comparison between premium pricing is a bit of a no-brainer. Last week, the top-of-the-line Samsung S23 Ultra was on sale for a cool $1,065. Meanwhile, Apple's cheapest offering starts at a hefty $1,499. There's no denying which one leans more towards premium pricing, and let's not forget how often each of them goes on sale.
All that says is Apple is ahead. If things switched around - better ARM chips, software became more polished, tighter integration - pricing strategies would change. Samsung would reduce the number of discounts and Apple would do something like lower prices, frequent discounts or lower-end models.
As a consumer, you need to think about whether paying a premium price is actually something to be proud of. Not knocking the product. I own Apple products and understand their value. I'm just thinking about the attitude toward paying a premium.
@ihfree: this: "Besides, there is nothing wrong with making a decision based on value for money. I certainly do it for certain products. I also buy premium products when I feel like there is value."
and that's preciously what i have done when i choose to buy the iphone, I see the value in it and thats exactly what i covered in my last comments earlier in the post.
and that's preciously what i have done when i choose to buy the iphone, I see the value in it
Well this isn't ageing well. 'Premium' phone isn't living up to its 'premium' pricing currently. =P
@ihfree: In my experience, the more all-in on Apple they are, the broker they are/become! Wealthy people tend to be tighter with money and in many cases are better able to cut through marketing dribble.
@Roe Jogan: I wouldn't consider myself a Samsung "fanboy" but I do like their mobile products - and Apples, too. And I do agree that value plays a huge part. The Apple iPhone 15 in particluar represents incredibly poor value when the iPhone 11-14 exist, IMO. For 90%+ of iPhone users who care about things like image quality, the 15 is objectively a downgrade. So while you're right, I'd happily use an iPhone (it would certainly play better with my macbook) I don't agree that they're always "better", and if i were to buy one it wouldn't be the latest one based on value. On the other hand, my S23+ cost me about $325 after trading in a phone that cost me about $220..etc. so yeah, value. After all, isn't that what makes a bargain? Each to their own, though.
@0FoxGiven: I have an iphone but this is bullsh!t, Samsung software is king. Everything was beautiful and customizable on my s21.
Android is lacking in horsepower, if they ever match Apple i'll go back
@nikoris: Thats your opinion, this is mine.
I really dislike Samsung's UI. And I have been using Samsung phones for 3 years. Only reason why i'm with them is cuz I got great deals on the phones and because OnePlus only has grey imports in Oz.
@0FoxGiven: Not sure if youve tried any of the Mac OS releases between Yosemite and Mojave, or iOS 15 and 16…yikes. The hardware has mostly been decent, especially the iPhone. But if you truly believe the software is all that, you probably havent spent much time in the other camp recently to make an educated assessment. None of these companies deserve your loyalty. All have strengths and weaknesses, and most of the hype is driving by marketing, not reality.
@chrisandrew: Still using a 6 year old Macbook so yes, have been getting those updates. Have not had any negative experience so far (happy days compared to when I was on Windows with a Dell laptop). Been on Android since 2019. But I agree, none of those companies deserve my loyalty :)
@0FoxGiven: Pretty much my thought example, if google could do the hardware I'd be so keep. Even their premium lines were average, just wish they went all for omce
@0FoxGiven: This didnt age well
Sounds like something someone would say if they were part of some sort of flock…
@smartazz104: Apple sheep mentality.
This isnt true though is it, the fold 5 is even more expensive than the latest iphone
Yeh the S23 Ultra with 512GB is around the same price but if you take all the discounts and trade in bonuses, it sure does make more sense to get a Samsung or a Pixel Phone.
Why are you comparing apples to oranges?
Gtfo lol
Having used both iPhone and Samsung, it's easy for the majority of the population to fall for Apple's marketing hype (good quality products, lack innovation particularly in software unless you jail break, hence the term) especially when their peers are also using it through word of mouth.
I won't go back to Apple anytime soon until I see radical changes and improvement.
What's that about the lack of software innovation again?
Anything in particular that you're missing and that you're getting out of the box on Android devices (ie. without hacking the sh** out of your phone), in a consistent and stable way? I'm genuinely curious, as Android market is so fragmented that it's hard to keep track and also sometimes hard to trust.
I believe you should either get Apple or Samsung for the best in hardware and software. It all boils down to personal preference regarding ios vs android.
Android has been extremely rock solid, seamless and no issues at all. No need to jailbreak (that's mainly for ios) as all you will ever need is on the google playstore.
Fun fact: you will save more money on the Google play store compared to the App store. For some reason the same app costs more on the App store and in some cases with less functionality. Honestly Apple will charge you more for everything including the App store.
I’ll jump and answer one thing I love on my Samsung that the iPhone doesn’t. Split screen. At bed time particularly I like to watch YouTube videos while surfing the web. I have an app on my iPhone that kind of does it but it’s a half assed ugly version of a web browser. The samsung actually splits the apps and lets you adjust the ratio as required.
My wife would never leave iPhone so for me that’s part of the deterrent and reason to keep both, iMessage. You know those hearts filling your screen or balloons on your birthday win points.
@BusMan247: I have a iPhone Pro 14 256GB and unless I go for the 15 Pro Max, I’m really only buying titanium frame and faster CPU. I have a Pixel 7 and agree the hardware is ordinary, the fingerprint scanner through the screen works about 50% of the time but that isn’t my daily driver. I had it offered to me a few months ago for $500 for the 128GB model and compared to the Samsung A22 I had, it killed the A22 in performance, but I love the basic Android interface on the Pixel 7 will be interested in seeing the Pixel 8 hardware besides the newer Tensor chip I wonder what else they will upgrade. The A22 UI is typical Samsung but for the price you don’t expect much. It’s at least a security patch or two behind the Pixel 7. IIRC The Samsung A22 gets three years afaik of Android updates - I was going to buy a A53 but ppl shit on that hard because of the slow CPU, meaning either spend a fortune on an A73 which there were a few times when it was on massive discounted sale I almost pulled the trigger.
For less money the Pixel 7 leaves the A22 in the dust for performance but the A22 fingerprint reader works 90% of the time (in the power button) and the Pixel 7 works less than 50% of the time using the through screen fingerprint reader.
Just reinforces that even with cheap hardware sometimes Samsung puts higher end models to shame. Pixel camera is much better but just getting access to the UI massive fail by Google, and win for a cheap less than $400 A series Samsung. I haven’t owned a flagship Samsung since the S8 and I’m not likely to go back. S8 was disappointing.
iPhone is my daily driver, Android for everything I want to do but can’t on the iPhone is now being done on the Pixel 7.
@BusMan247: Whats kind of wild to me about the iApp debate is that the issue would simply go away if everyone moved to a messaging/video calling app thats cross platform. Messages, Signal, Meet, etc…heck most iPhone users are using Messenger and WhatApp anyway. How many blue bubbles do y'll even see these days? Signal, Samsung Messages and Google Messages share near-feature parity with iMessage and sync between phone, tablet and PC (even Mac), so unless Ive forgotten something about my time with iPhone, whats the reason to stick with something so niche and proprietary (genuine question, not being a d*ck)?
@chrisandrew: As much as I have enjoyed and do enjoy using my iPhone I’ll be the first to call out the garbage with Apple such as them playing the environment card for not giving you a charger (ridiculous), not allowing memory cards (to force iCloud use) and huge costs for the memory increases (256gb to 512gb for example) that you will inevitably need for increased photo sizes etc you need to store, not to mention making hard drive backs ups a nightmare, again for easy money on iCloud.
But iMessage and typing is just better. Smoother, easier, you can do a lot more visual appealing stuff like send animations where the screen fills with hearts and balloons and spotlights etc.
It’s definitely not worth the price of admission but I think Google in general and Samsung have a while to go on the messaging front.
@BusMan247: To be fair, Android manufacturers are no less guilty of pulling accesories and features. Generally speaking, though, it's cheaper to upgrade Android specs and purchase accessories - Samsung's keyboard cover and recent 1st-party cases not withstanding. 😔
What are you jailbreaking for? How do I do that on Android?
I won't go back to Apple anytime soon until I see radical changes and improvement.
And yet that hasn't stopped you using Samsung.
And why should it? S23 Ultra is the 🐐
Samsung is the pinnacle of innovation.
Let me know when Apple has announced foldable phones, stylus support, 10x optical zoom etc. Go and look at people at concerts recording live performances with Samsung from hundreds of metres away.
Does Apple support Apple desktop mode since they were forced to finally implement USB C or no they did not bother to even consider that? ✌️😊
@Handymancan: Stylus is innovative now? We’ve come a long way…
@smartazz104: Does Apple have this?
Does Apple have an equivalent to Samsung Dex?
Cut a long story short.
No.
They stuck with an ancient lightning cable for over a decade and were forced to change to USB C like everybody else because they were too slow to change and improve. That tells you what you need to know about Apple's innovativity.
EU law forced them to adopt USB C as well, wasn't their choice.
Well, the general technology progress was also pushing Apple to ditch the now-slow Lightning…
Apple could've ditched the port altogether and rely on wireless, but luckily haven't done that yet.
Come on, Samsung alone has the same price (Ultra). And yes, as a Samsung customer since 2017, I wouldn't not recommend Samsung phones to anybody. Their service is sh*t comparing to the one my friends get from Apple. Moreover, they refused to replace a faulty screen in my s21+ under warranty. Reason? They found that my virgin phone sold by Samsung store via Amazon is… rooted. It wasn't rooted and I never root my phones!
And yes. I've pre-ordered Pro Max. Bye-bye Samsung, never again.
Always shocked how this kind of fan rivalry still exists to this day over a phone.
Good price ? 😂😂😂😂
this has to be the worst upgrade attempt by apple since like iphone 7. literally no reason to upgrade.
Its worthwhile upgrade for some people.
iphone 12 to 15 pro
maybe to a discounted 14 pro? so that we can keep using the lightening cable to "save the earth"?
Remember the battery issue on the iPhone 14 Pro. It’s well documented in the media. It sux arse. Either pay a fortune for a new iPhone 14 Pro battery 18 months from new, even less if 2nd hand. Refurbs at Excellent grade usually have a new battery.
what about from XR?
That's me mate, upgrading from XR to 15 Pro - definitely think it's worthwhile
No way. XR will be the next phone to lose support. Nothing less than a 12 and then you have to investigate the radiation issue on the iPhone 12 - which model exactly was banned from Sale in the EU and was it an SAR issue or something else?
@dman1: Is Apple selling phones with a radiation issue?
Two cups and a string to iphone 15 pro
Some fandroid will chime in "it's literally the same thing".
from base 11 to pro max, pre-ordered already.
samsung fanboys will be samsung fanboys so the comments will be full of brokies pushing s23 ultra
Cheap iPhone 11 can be had in a 2nd Gen iPhone SE - alas it’s like going back to an iPhone 8 in terms of size and camera is. Ether than iPhone 8 but the SE Gen 2 with no 5G which you wouldn’t get on an 11 anyway takes you back to small screens and Touch ID but super cheap price. Refurb IPhone 11 from Boost maybe? Not sure how long until they change their hardware lineup.
Defining groups of people based on their purchase choice from specific megacorps is cringeworthy IMO.
What if u r upgrade from an iPhone 7?
Even better if u wait for iPhone 25
Massive difference, current iOS, bigger OLED screen, better cameras and bye-bye to touchID. Performance between an iPhone 8 and 14 is massive. However no iOS 17 on iPhone 8/8S and iPhone X
I wonder about this, Apple stopped supporting iPhone 7
If someone's updating their iphone every year (because they can, because they want), I'm sure they'll be extremely excited about the usbc and the action button.
Then, if someone's updating, because they haven't done so in the last 3, 4, 5, 6 years (because lots of people keep their iphones that long and they're still good), that's a great update too.
The game changer for me is portrait mode for all photos by default
Well, if you have an iPhone 14 sure. Maybe even a 13. But changing phones that often is not a good money strategy anyway. I am sticking with my 12 mini for at least another couple of years.
I am getting Mrs Entropy a 15 pro max and she will be coming from an XS. That is one heck of an upgrade.
Unless you currently have an iPhone 7, then this will be great.
If you're considering upgrading from last years Pro models, sure, but that's not really what most people do.
Going from even a regular 14 to these would be a massive upgrade in terms of the camera alone, then you get the dynamic island and USB-C to boot. Going from a 13 Pro to the 15 Pro is also a pretty huge upgrade in terms of screen, camera, build quality/materials, etc.
Don’t agree with this at all. Massive upgrade from a 14? The 12 regular to the 13 pro max a much bigger upgrade and I can’t tell the photo quality apart. Honestly, battery. Woohoo. Both are smooth like butter so not sure what massive upgrade you’re talking about.