Moderation on "What Is a Woman?" Post

snoopydoop on 03/06/2023 - 12:22
Last edited 03/06/2023 - 12:55

On recommendation from a moderator, I'm writing here to discuss/clarify on what I feel is inconsistent and insufficient moderation on this controversial post.
Please be civil in these comments - I don't want arguments, and am posting this in good faith in order to hopefully improve the site - not start fights.

There are two main issues I wanted to bring up here:
1) Inconsistency with deal being allowed to be posted in the first place
2) Genuinely problematic comments not being moderated effectively enough on a post which is clearly going to generate them.

Inconsistency with deal being allowed to be posted

The reason that a moderator gave in the comments as to why this deal was allowed is a "documentary which is not usually free thus meets the standards for a deal".

This inspired me to search for an almost identical circumstance (but intentionally not a political/inflammatory one). I truly posted what I would perceive a deal in the same vein. It was a documentary about YouTuber MrBeast, which has been professionally created by streaming service Curiosity Stream. It is available paid on their streaming service, and even has an official IMDB page.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17008854/

Curiosity Stream has uploaded this for free to their YouTube channel - a documentary which is usually paid for, which is now available for free, thus qualifying for a deal under posting guidelines.
My post was immediately moved to the forums, then removed, and I even received an account warning for posting. ("Trolling level 1")

I personally see no differences between these two posts - this I Am A Woman documentary has been posted specifically to generate comments and outrage, and is by its nature no less genuine a documentary than the MrBeast one on Curiosity Stream's subscription service.

This makes me feel like the reason it has been kept up is for some sort of political point, or moderation bias. I'd love some clarification for whether this is not the case - but I do not see how my own post could have been seen as "trolling" or "inflammatory", when this original post is arguably one of the most inflammatory "troll" posts that has ever been posted on the site. Which brings me to point 2….

Problematic Comments on the Post

When the media posts an article that could attract inflammatory comments, due to the 2021 High Court ruling puting the onus on publications for comments published on their website, they ensure that they have full moderation capabilities to ensure there are no hateful comments. When this moderation capability is no longer available, comments are closed, either temporarily while they catch up, or for good.
However, given there has been moderation for the duration this post has been up (eg. on my post), there has been some level of moderation capacity during this time, despite it being Friday/Saturday.

There are quite a few substantially hateful comments in this thread. I am specifically talking about comments that are genuinely hateful.

Probably the biggest is there are a large number perpetuating the conspiracy theory that the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole grooms children.. This is a view with neo-Nazi roots, and is well documented.
I mean, there is a comment up there right now saying "Destroy pedo freaks", a slogan that the neo-nazi group recently held up in Melbourne.
This is absolutely not the only comment that is blatantly hateful, there are many like it there. Perhaps others can point out the worst offenders. (EDIT: Removed ~2.5hrs after commented - plenty more with similar rhetoric that have been up for a long time)

If it is OzBargain's decision that posts like these are allowed to be up there - they absolutely need to make sure that the comments published are not hateful, and are well moderated. Otherwise it certainly comes across as acceptance of these comments. This is not very welcoming of LGBTQIA+ members of this website.
It was clear from the get go that the decision to keep this post up would require incredible amounts of moderation, given it was posted with the intention of aggravation, and keeping comments such as this one up there is upsetting to see that OzBargain is happily publishing these comments.

TLDR: I am disappointed in OzBargain's decision to leave this post up, their decision to give me an account warning for a far less inflammatory version of the same type of post, and the fact that there are many hateful comments rooted in neo-Nazi ideology currently on the website, still not moderated. To be clear - I am not talking about all comments in favour of this as a deal, I am talking very specifically about the blatantly hateful comments.
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          • mavis30551 on 19/06/2023 - 17:26
            -1

            @Gervais fanboy: Having a public forum and allowing people to post anti-trans comments is harmful and hurts trans people… so yes.

            I bet if I made a thread about how much of a shi**y person "Gervais Fanboy" is and 30 pages of people debating it with a lot of anti "Gervais" comments thrown in there you would feel pretty attacked. I guess that takes empathy and putting yourself in someone else's shoes which it sounds like you don't have the emotional intelligence for though champ.

            Also who are you calling a Lib, this isn't America..

            • ozhunter on 20/06/2023 - 12:56
              +2

              @mavis30551: Asking what is a woman feels like an "attack" because their ideology is built upon lies.

            • Gervais fanboy on 20/06/2023 - 13:09

              @mavis30551:

              allowing people to post anti-trans comments

              What anti-trans comments?
              Still waiting for you to quote me some

              I bet if I made a thread about how much of a shi**y person "Gervais Fanboy" is and 30 pages of people debating it with a lot of anti "Gervais" comments thrown in there you would feel pretty attacked.

              Thanks for that^^ drivel of yours
              Now I know that I am dealing with an actual child. Shame on me for even giving you the gratification by responding to your garbage in the first place.

              I guess that takes empathy and putting yourself in someone else's shoes

              Have endless empathy for people’s condition but lying to them and myself doesn’t help anyone.
              You wanna live in a make believe world, I don’t. Each to their own i’d say

              Also who are you calling a Lib, this isn't America..

              Last time I checked, the English language isn’t just limited to the states.
              I called you a lib coz you act like one.
              4 comments in and and you still haven’t cited any of those ‘anti trans comments’
              That’s a lib in my book.

              • CoreArchitect on 22/06/2023 - 09:28
                +1

                @Gervais fanboy: Holy crap mate. You nailed it. I take it all the unpublished comments were proof of this.

                • Gervais fanboy on 22/06/2023 - 09:50

                  @CoreArchitect: Someone reported these lunatics for resorting to name calling. Going by the book, mods should have penalised them too but whatever.
                  @Ughh ended up calling me a racist, based on zero actual evidence.

                  I wish such cowards find the courage to spew their evil irl too and not just do it from the back of a screen.

                  • morse on 22/06/2023 - 19:47

                    @Gervais fanboy:

                    I wish such cowards find the courage to spew their evil irl

                    Do you? What would you do then?

                    • Gervais fanboy on 22/06/2023 - 20:09

                      @morse: Only one way to find out, son..
                      Love how you nitpicked that one bit but had nothing to say about the personal slanderous attacks against me.

                      • morse on 22/06/2023 - 20:37

                        @Gervais fanboy: Yeah, I’ve dipped in and out, been working a lot and a lot of comments removed. Best not to let the interwebs get too personal.

    • GrueHunter on 03/06/2023 - 19:30
      +7

      No I’m sure that despite being wrong about women voting and child labour and the separation of church and state and slavery and Jews and segregated schools and women working after marriage and divorce and gay marriage and Muslims they’ve definitely got a strong case this time round and totally won’t be yet another skid mark on the underwear of history /s

      (Hey numpties. is where you flail about and claim that sex with dead children in unisex public toilets will be next)

    • Aarchangel on 04/06/2023 - 11:19
      +1

      …it won’t take as long to see trans people treated more respectfully.

      Hope it doesn't take as long for transwomen in sports to stop stealing women's dreams and achievements.

      • mskeggs on 04/06/2023 - 15:03
        +2

        Did you have this problem?

        • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 15:23
          +2

          Try to think less about yourself and more about others.

          • mskeggs on 04/06/2023 - 15:29
            +1

            @ozhunter: Definitely trying to understand if it is at all common. Have you had that problem?

            • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 15:42

              @mskeggs: No, but it's likely possibility if you keep supporting this propaganda. Some people care about others in their society.

              • SBOB on 04/06/2023 - 15:51
                +3

                @ozhunter:

                Some people care about others in their society

                But only if those others are heterosexual, right……

                • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 16:04

                  @SBOB: Not at all. Don't want anyone to think they can be the opposite gender.

                  • SBOB on 04/06/2023 - 16:22

                    @ozhunter:

                    Not at all. Don't want anyone to think they can be the opposite gender.

                    so you're all for pride month, but just for only like half of the 'letters'.
                    I guess thats a decent compromise.

                    • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 16:59

                      @SBOB: No lol, don't agree with that lifestyle.

                      • SBOB on 04/06/2023 - 17:04
                        +3

                        @ozhunter: but..but…
                        Some people care about others in their society.

                        • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 17:04

                          @SBOB: Yea, that's why I tell them not to follow that lifestyle lol.

                          • SBOB on 04/06/2023 - 17:06
                            +3

                            @ozhunter: so when i clarified that care about others in their society was only for heterosexuals, and you said Not at all, you actually just spelt 'yes' wrong?
                            Got it.

              • mskeggs on 04/06/2023 - 16:15
                +4

                @ozhunter: At least I’m glad to have your support for women’s sport on the record next time equal pay etc. comes up.

                • ozhunter on 04/06/2023 - 17:06
                  +2

                  @mskeggs: If they pull in the same revenue as the men's then I don't see why they couldn't get the same pay. Or I could just pull the same bs as you lol and say, "Does it affect you personally or has it happened to you". If not, then don't need your opinion; if yes, then so what.

              • ThithLord on 05/06/2023 - 09:42
                +2

                @ozhunter: ozhunter is a socialist, confirmed. Beautiful.

  • ozhunter on 03/06/2023 - 13:17
    +6

    I am talking very specifically about the blatantly hateful comments.

    Link to them…

  • randomusername2017 on 03/06/2023 - 13:20
    +2

    I am disappointed in OzBargain's decision to leave this post up

    I agree.

  • chichi on 03/06/2023 - 13:22
    +45

    I’ve been a member here for quite a while and I’m visiting it less and less nowadays. The shit I’ve seen on this site since 2020 is disgusting. That non-deal is the last straw for me and I’m pretty horrified by the amount of votes for it. Shame on the (profanity) lot of you who think it should be allowed because of free speech.

    Sorry but softly softly doesn’t cut it any more.

    • Almost Banned on 03/06/2023 - 13:41
      +12

      Yes, absolutely.
      How dare people be allowed to think for themselves and express those views on a public forum.
      Only approved ideas should ever be allowed to be posted.
      Shame on all of you people who don't cave to the woke idea that men can become women just by thinking it so.

      • skidexa on 03/06/2023 - 18:19
        +13

        Why are you only obsessed over men transitioning to women and not the other way?

        • chepsk8 on 03/06/2023 - 19:13
          +10

          For these backwards masculinity obsessed men, anything they see as forgoing masculinity is a cardinal sin to them, it used to be gay men, but the hot ticket nowadays is men transitioning to identifying as women, they can't even process it within their minds so they need to warp and distort these people into some sort of weird perverted "kink", like how gay men used to be treated like perverted sexual deviants in days thankfully gone by, it's gross, and is really just an absurd level of toxic masculinity being affronted by MtF's.

          I'm sure they aren't fond of FtM's either, but it just doesn't offend their sense of masculinity like MtF's do, and hence they don't need to warp these people so much in their minds.

          • cookie2 on 03/06/2023 - 21:37

            @chepsk8: Don't know why your whole comment is about men and their masculinity and opinion.

        • brendanm on 03/06/2023 - 19:54

          Probably because far more go that way than the other. I wonder why.

        • cookie2 on 03/06/2023 - 21:35

          Actually it's a fact. Not obsession. There's a consistently greater prevalence of trans women (MTF) than trans men (FTM). Did you not ever realise that?

        • Aarchangel on 04/06/2023 - 12:08

          Why are you only obsessed over men transitioning to women and not the other way

          People are not generally obsessed with other people transitioning. But people have problems when they are forced to validate other people's transitioning.

          Also, in sports, it's transwomen that steal women's achievements, and not the other way around.

      • nomekop on 03/06/2023 - 22:14

        Haha excellent reply!

      • morse on 03/06/2023 - 22:17

        The thing is, whichever view you take, if a site is overtaken by extremist views and is not moderated appropriately, it will no longer be popular and then everyone loses. People won’t post their finds here, they’ll just go to markdown addicts or similar. And/or the mainstream will become silent just looking for deals and not engaged in the forums for the reasons forums exist, like finding someone a good deal, neighbourhood disputes or home maintenance advice.

    • AustriaBargain on 03/06/2023 - 13:54
      +6

      OZB has always been more about free discourse than Reddit or Tumblr. I've never got the impression that OZB was a safe space for anyone's particular social movements or politics https://time.com/3848947/dear-universities-there-should-be-n…

      • tharlow on 03/06/2023 - 14:09
        +4

        I just wish there was an option to censor deals that are better than the one I got

      • whatwasherproblem on 03/06/2023 - 22:27
        +2

        It's such a low bar though, hey? Most Tumblrites were legitimately mentally ill weirdos that actively egged on each others' insane behaviours, and Reddit is such an astroturfed cesspool these days that most of them have lost the ability to differentiate delusion from reality (like, literally lost that ability: they've convinced themselves through their censored discourse that their schema about how the world works are an accurate reflection of reality, and enrage themselves into a froth when reality routinely backhands them with the differing truth). Being "more free" than Reddit or Tumblr shouldn't be the achievement that it is, but we live in interesting times.

        Forums for free discourse that don't veer off into extremes (and I mean on both sides; e.g., why can't we criticise Blackrock and the ESG nonsense without the psycho branch of the right-wing jumping in and always taking it to 'that place'? Damn, extremists are boring people) are harder and harder to come by.

    • EightImmortals on 03/06/2023 - 14:21
      +6

      Don't let the door hit your bum on the way out. :)

      • capslock janitor on 03/06/2023 - 17:28
        +1

        Last Seen
        4 hours 5 min ago

      • GrueHunter on 03/06/2023 - 19:34
        +8

        And miss you whining that the global leftist feminazi conspiracy is breaking into your house at night and force feeding you crickets injected with COVID vaccines and 5G contrail nanoparticles?

    • Thorn69 on 03/06/2023 - 15:17
      +3

      ive seen garbage posts from both sides since 2020, if i remember back there was multiple posts about treating people who refused this particular jab as an antivaxxer and human trash to be segregated etc etc honestly the video isnt hateful its portrayed in that way but you would need to sit down and take the time to watch it, we shouldn't be playing tribalists in 2023 or else we are going to go down a very bad path shortly, there are very bad elements in certain groups and agitators in both sides.

    • j0hnd0e on 03/06/2023 - 15:37

      Bye, See you never.

    • burningrage on 03/06/2023 - 18:03
      +2

      Which means you don't want "free speech" then.

      I think for some time the number of "sheep" voters who are against free speech have been going up and successfully captured at least one state in Australia.

      Personally I think, free speech should be a given because otherwise, why live in this country? There are plenty of countries who dislike free speech and I don't think as a country, it is best served by increasingly anti-free speech voters.

      However I do agree, this is a bargain forum and it should be inclusive for all (For or Against contributors).

      • SBOB on 03/06/2023 - 18:22
        +10

        free speech should be a given because otherwise, why live in this country?

        Ah, you live here and think we have 'free speech' laws? Can you point me to where in the constitution or federal laws 'free speech' is detailed?

        Also, as a private companies forum, how would any 'free speech' laws apply? Free speech, if we had such laws, would prevent the government from preventing or limiting your abilities to express an opinion, it wouldn't limit any moderation or censorship that a private business wished to apply to their own content or forums.

        • GrueHunter on 03/06/2023 - 19:36
          +4

          reee moderation is literal censorship because I don’t know the difference and I watch too much Sky reeee

          • brendanm on 03/06/2023 - 19:57

            @GrueHunter: You do realise who it is calling for censorship in this thread, surely?

      • chepsk8 on 03/06/2023 - 18:48

        muh freeze peach

    • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 03:41

      so…leave?

  • TheAviator on 03/06/2023 - 13:28
    +23

    Well said.

    Given your previous experience with a free documentary, it appears the deal has been allowed to stay because of tacit support from the moderators.

    I hope they can clarify their intentions. Otherwise it may well be time to leave this site.

    • tharlow on 03/06/2023 - 13:33
      +2

      Just don’t forget to spend all your gift cards. Absent, but not forgotten…

    • twjr on 03/06/2023 - 13:47
      +9

      Exactly my comment on the deal. The way this is being handled feels like tacit endorsement for the deal, video and the culture war that's ensuing within.

    • Tee Rex Arms on 03/06/2023 - 16:09
      +4

      Just leave then

      • GrueHunter on 03/06/2023 - 19:37
        +2

        So like you’re leaving the country because it’s legal to be trans

        Yeah didn’t think so

    • cookie2 on 03/06/2023 - 21:39
      +1

      What a threat. Gosh.

    • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:13

      Given your previous experience with a free documentary, it appears the deal has been allowed to stay because of tacit support from the moderators. About OzBargain

      We don't support or not support any deal. It's up to the community to decide what a deal is and what is not.

      Moderator like librarians are just here to make sure the that is meets the guidelines to be a deal (not normally free but free for a limited time vs. free always.)

      Guidelines have to be applied uniformly and consistently so if the community wants certains multimedia blocked because of the subject matter, e.g. anything gender related, gun related, showing violence,whatever then fine. But let's know for sure what we want to ban, so we can just block the posts instead of staff trying to subjectively pick and choose.

    • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 03:44
      -1

      Otherwise it may well be time to leave this site.

      do you always announce your departures in real life too?

      • mavis30551 on 19/06/2023 - 16:47
        -1

        Doesnt everyone? When I'm at dinner with friends I don't just get up and walk out without saying goodbye?

  • loropy9 on 03/06/2023 - 13:31
    +7

    Cancel culture.

  • awaddell on 03/06/2023 - 13:34
    +33

    Frankly its embarrassing that they have left this up so long. It is not relevant to the site and is contributing to it becoming just another right wing pit of fascism.

    The only side I am asking the mods to take is one of "is it a bargain". It is not, it should be removed.

    • EightImmortals on 03/06/2023 - 14:27
      +7

      Can't get a bigger bargain than 'free'.

      But lets face it, all the people who are triggered about that thread probably haven't even watched the doco in question and are complaining not on the technical basis of 'what constitutes a bargain' but because they disagree with the contents of said bargain. Another example would be healthy people getting all bent out of shape because someone posted a McDonalds bargain. Or a Buddhist complaining about a 'free Bible' deal. Or we could be slightly more mature and simply not click links on deals or topics we are not aligned with and let others live their lives how they want?

      • snoopydoop on 03/06/2023 - 15:05
        +10

        What about the previously paid, now free documentary that I put up? Intentionally posted a harmless documentary that is not political in any way nor designed to be contentious.

        They had no qualms moving it to the forums immediately, then removing it and giving my account a warning a couple of minutes later. Why wasn't the same decision made here?

        • EightImmortals on 03/06/2023 - 15:07
          -1

          Why ask me, I didn't do it?

          Did you post in that other guys thread or your own?

          • snoopydoop on 03/06/2023 - 15:20
            +6

            @EightImmortals: As its own deal. Maybe have a re-read the post you're replying to more carefully. The first point I was making here was about inconsistency in why this one is considered a deal, and mine was not.

            Happy to accept the decision that these sorts of posts aren't deals but a lot more to be unpacked here as to why the inconsistent moderation.

            • EightImmortals on 03/06/2023 - 15:31
              +2

              @snoopydoop: Yeah you'd have to discuss that with the mods. Generally I don't worry about those things too much, if I have a problem with the content of a deal I might comment at the time or more often simply not click the link, depending on my mood. The invention of the internet and the human ego seems to be a perfect match, it has been a great place for my own personal growth over the last almost 30 years as it provides more than it's fair share of the 'friction of life' that occurs when people of different beliefs and opinions rub up against each other. Without that friction I would say it would be very hard if not impossible for personal growth and wisdom to be accomplished and if cancel culture succeeds in making people too fearful to speak their minds more than it has already then that would be one more nail in the coffin of humanity. True peace can never come about through force, never. The problem was never that people disagree and have different opinions on things but how we treat others who disagree with us. For my part, yell and scream and argue but at the end of the day if we can't sit around and have a cuppa and talk about something else then what's the point?

              • gyrex on 04/06/2023 - 08:57
                +1

                @EightImmortals: Well said. Free speech and the ability to engage in discourse has to be an essential and integral part of the human existence.

            • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:20

              @snoopydoop:

              The first point I was making here was about inconsistency in why this one is considered a deal, and mine was not.

              Except one is free for 24 hours/weekend. And one is free for at least a year.

              • snoopydoop on 04/06/2023 - 00:41
                +3

                @neil: From the "Free Multimedia" guidelines:
                Products that are temporarily free or have become permanently free qualify as deals

                That's the line which would definitely allow that sort of post to quality, because it was paid and then did become free. As I understand it guidelines don't specify a period of time hence the "permanently" allowance.

          • GrueHunter on 03/06/2023 - 19:38
            +2

            @EightImmortals: Translation: “I got nothing”

        • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:19

          What about the previously paid, now free documentary that I put up? Intentionally posted a harmless documentary that is not political in any way nor designed to be contentious.

          Except it isn't. It's an always free Youtube video.

          You post was deemed as trolling and removed as you. You intention was made in the original post. We have done this numerous times for the commenters who hate the SUBS deals and then troll and post whatever to make some point. It's why we added filters to block out these subscription deals.

          • snoopydoop on 04/06/2023 - 00:44
            +1

            @neil: While I was definitely trying to make a point, I did try to find a movie that was not inflammatory, that fit all the criteria, and offered the same amount of value as the other deal.
            I genuinely did try to find a documentary which offered just as much value as this documentary, and for this reason it definitely wasn't a "low effort post".

            I can accept that decision, however prior to it being removed for that, it was moved to the forums as a separate decision (not based on "trolling")

          • thewinchester on 04/06/2023 - 11:57

            @neil: Every comment from a Moderator on this gets issue more ridiculous every time.

            Each one doing greater mental gymnastics looking for a justification, especially when supposedly calling out trolling behaviours.

            This ‘free’ deal is an intentional and divisive troll, and should be shown the door like all other trolling behaviour.

            Allowing the deal to stand, but only dealing with the trolls you disagree with reflects so poorly upon the Mod team - and is leading you down the path to one hell of a damaging brand reputation hiding that’s going to take the site and traffic with it.

            It’s still ok to admit you’re wrong and reverse course, but that window is closing quickly.

    • Almost Banned on 03/06/2023 - 22:49
      +3

      "Everything that makes my tummy feel funny is facism."

      • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 03:47
        +1

        its because of the right wing nazeees

    • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:16

      The only side I am asking the mods to take is one of "is it a bargain". It is not, it should be removed.

      Except according to the information on the post it is free for a limited time (24 hours or the weekend).

      This differs from multimedia that is always free. Deal Posting Guidelines: Free Multimedia Content & Websites

      Whether it is a bargain or not, is up to the community. See About OzBargain

    • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 03:47
      +1

      i.e. everything i dont agree with is rightwing fascism

      • morse on 04/06/2023 - 08:57
        +3

        Or in the flip side - everything I don’t agree with is ‘woke’

        • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 09:01
          +1

          seldom if ever use the phrase…
          its origins & general usage is reserved for issues surrounding black politics. dont see how its applicable here or why you bring it up

        • Aarchangel on 04/06/2023 - 12:19
          -2

          morse 3 hours 13 min ago
          +1
          Or in the flip side - everything I don’t agree with is ‘woke’

          That may be true, but it's the one labelled "rightwing fascism" usually gets banned, while the woke side gets promoted.

          • morse on 04/06/2023 - 12:42
            -2

            @Aarchangel: I guess being ‘woke’ is more palatable to most than being ‘fascist’. To be fair, on OzB a comment needs to be pretty bad to get someone banned.

    • gyrex on 04/06/2023 - 08:54
      +4

      "right wing pit of fascism" - take it easy with the hyperbolics. I know people on both sides of the isle who watched the documentary and enjoyed it and got some measure of value from it. I wish people would stop throwing around ridiculous buzzwords such as "fascist", "nazi" etc. - they've lost all meaning now.

      • letmesee on 04/06/2023 - 21:48
        +1

        What did you get out of it. What aspect of the issue did the so call doco give you a better understanding about. Just curious, because I got nothing but an idiot grifting off people at the expense of others dignity and wellbeing.

    • reactor-au on 04/06/2023 - 09:30
      +3

      If it was The Little Mermaid Remake free to watch for 24hrs, would that be an acceptable deal but What is A Woman not?

      Frankly people are complaining about the politics of the deal content rather than the deal itself, but it's still a deal and should stay since the contents of the deal are not prohibited on the site.

    • gaynamedpaul on 04/06/2023 - 09:40
      +1

      It's a bargain, it's free. Thus is should stay.

  • [Deactivated] on 03/06/2023 - 13:36
    +3

    Problematic or problematical? Or should we add even more letters to the end? The DPF comment has been removed. The funny thing about Mr. Beast is that he made a video about identifying as an attack helicopter, which people like the OP got mad at.

  • Almost Banned on 03/06/2023 - 13:45
    +14

    Firstly, is the Mr Beast doco ALWAYS free on Youtube, or is this a limited time only deal?
    If always, then they are not remotely the same.
    Secondly, claiming that opposing radical gender ideology has its roots in Neo-Nazism is ridiculous.
    It has its roots in science and common sense and your claim just further dilutes the meaning of the term 'nazi'. It is just another perjorative people throw at those they disagree with.
    Besides, don't you also want to destroy pedos? Most sane people do.
    Nazis also wore shoes - are boots now rooted in Neo-nazism?

    • snoopydoop on 03/06/2023 - 14:27
      +3

      Under the Free Multimedia Content guidelines linked in my post: "Products that are temporarily free or have become permanently free qualify as deals."

      It used to be paid, then it became either temporarily or permanently free. I have no idea if the subscription service intends to remove it from their YouTube channel at some stage, but it does qualify under the same quoted guidelines. And certainly the idea that it be moved to the forums, then removed and my account receive a warning for "trolling" is definitely a step above.

      And for the second part of your comment, I find it disingenuous, I believe my post clearly articulates and provides a resource on what I am speaking on here in regards to the "child grooming conspiracy" and how it is rooted in Nazism, and why I believe those sorts of more hateful comments should be removed.

      • Almost Banned on 03/06/2023 - 22:54
        +7

        No-one is saying that all LGBTQI people are engaging in paedophilia.
        But many people are saying that introducing sexual identities to children at ever younger ages and normalising deviant behaviours is harmful to children and to society as a whole.
        None of that has anything to do with Nazism and you claiming that some people you label as Nazis are also concerned by this doesn't make it so.

        • snoopydoop on 03/06/2023 - 23:13
          +3

          The resource I provided gives a factual account of where this ideology comes from. It doesn't matter what you personally believe, that's where this comes from - and many people do believe that, or push that rhetoric.

          No, I am not labelling them Nazis, they are calling themselves Nazis, and celebrating Hitler's birthday. They are proud, literal, neonazis.

          • franco cozzo on 04/06/2023 - 03:57
            +1

            @snoopydoop: yeah….time to get off the social media there buddy. you have been completely & utterly indoctrinated

        • chepsk8 on 04/06/2023 - 13:35
          +1

          Calling these people “deviants” who are “harmful to society” sounds like more than just an innocuous opinion to me, but the goalpost for actual hatespeech seems to be in a superposition of never being what you’re currently saying when it comes to you people, so go off.

          • Almost Banned on 04/06/2023 - 14:35
            -3

            @chepsk8: Deviant means to depart from the norm.
            The word is perfectly apt.
            As for harmful, it is a lifestyle that puts self above everything, and does not promote either human flourishing, nor offspring.
            It is a dead-end for itself, and any society that accepts it wholesale.

            • SBOB on 04/06/2023 - 15:13
              +1

              @Almost Banned:

              and does not promote either human flourishing, nor offspring

              I hope you protest hetero relationships who choose to not have kids (DINK) with the same vigour

      • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:22

        It's an always free video thus should be posted in the forums.

    • Moderatorneil on 04/06/2023 - 00:22

      Firstly, is the Mr Beast doco ALWAYS free on Youtube, or is this a limited time only deal?

      It's ALWAYS free according to what I can see. In any case, the deal was not removed for that reason so really a moot point.

      • snoopydoop on 04/06/2023 - 00:30
        +1

        Hey, thanks for the reply Neil.

        It was originally paid via Curiosity Stream via their paid subscription, then free on YouTube, the same situation as this other documentary. I believe I did mention that in the deal text too to be sure.

    • Charmoffensive on 04/06/2023 - 01:33
      +4

      It has its roots in science and common sense

      This is what people say when the sum total of their scientific knowledge is whatever they managed to remember before flunking high school biology.

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