Was looking around for a $4070 Ti and came across to this deal. Looks pretty cheap to me for a newly released card.
Surcharges: 1.2% Card & PayPal, 2% AmEx.
Free shipping excludes WA & NT.
A few other retailers are selling for the same price so just pick one near you.
You saying you can't compare apples and slightly different apples? The standards for comparisons have plummeted
@[Deactivated]: He just said it seems like a better deal and let’s be honest it does look like it’s a better deal than this as can be seen from all the upvotes
They're neck and neck in current test suites, but this has DLSS frame generation, better RT/PT performance, AV1 encoding, and architectural features that will see it go past the 3070 by about 25% over time when they're deployed. It's also more power efficient.
At the same price you buy the 4060 Ti, but really the value of it needs to keep going down.
I'm surprised you're so down voted, you're not really wrong.
The below doesn't include frame generation dlss3 which makes a big difference.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2685-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060…
The fact that nvidia just wanted to rip everyone off and sell a budget card for $600 is entirely a different story. And why we need Intel to actually deliver the goods with battlemage!
I don't know if it will be able to catch up with 3070 at higher resolution with half the bus width
unless NVIDIA gives us that compression of textures, how compressible are they anyway? and it will be extra computational overhead
Firstly, that L2 cache bump helps immensely with lowering bus and VRAM requirements, but secondly, there's more than one technology to be implemented that assists with VRAM reductions.
You've got mesh shaders, sampler feedback, neural texture compression as you mentioned, micromeshes, and DirectStorage 1.1 or higher to enable reads directly from drives to support some of these technologies.
There's also techniques that can improve frame rates aside from all the features of DLSS 3, that either aren't implemented or barely so: opacity micromaps (RT/PT), variable rate shading (most helpful with foveated rendering techniques), shader execution reordering (RT/PT), real-time neutral radiance caching (RT/PT), and perhaps SpMM to improve neutral networks including DLSS.
how compressible are they anyway? and it will be extra computational overhead
Enormously compressible with better image quality, and the computational overhead in the examples was entirely accounted for in the speedups elsewhere, so bare minimum it massively improves visual fidelity at no cost to frame rate.
@shabaka: No, that's only micromeshes, opacity micromaps, shader execution reordering, and DLSS frame generation. The 25% figure I was estimating before is exclusively for 40 series though, and that's before frame generation.
SpMM acceleration kicked off in the 30 series, and the rest are 20 series technologies, with non-RT/ML functions also present in the 16 series (and the RX 6000 & 7000 series).
The point is that there's a lot of VRAM usage reduction and usage optimisation to be done, and plenty of performance increases to be utilised still, all before using graphics settings to reduce performance heavy options that do very little for image quality (eg. ultra vs high for volumetric and some texture and lighting/shadow elements).
Finally with respect to neutral texture compression, the computational cost was at 1080p on a 3090 in early development of the technique.
@jasswolf: sounds awesome, but still 3070 is a better choice in higher res cases by the sound of it? since it's got a higher VRAM bandwidth and will benefit from most of these improvements, too.
@shabaka: No, as I said, micromeshes benefits 40 series only and is significant, as does DLSS frame generation. On the pathtracing and heavy raytracing side of things, 40 series has huge gains to be made in performance. The L2 cache bump picks up almost all of the slack, in some cases exceeding the benefits of a 256-bit bus had it not been implemented, and provides substantial gains for ray bounce calculations.
There are a couple of edge cases that exist today, but their developers have already demonstrated how totally unoptimised their games are by modern standards, let alone future ones. These cards are neck and neck, you never pick the 3070 at a similar price, and I personally wouldn't pick a 3070 for more than 75% of the best 4060 Ti price in the current market given its currently available feature set.
@shabaka: Because there's not enough of a generational leap when comparing the naming schemes, and I agree. This was very clearly supposed to be the RTX 4060, and as a result you shouldn't pay more than $320 USD ex-tax for it as a starting price, and I would recommend not giving it the time of day before it dips below $500 AUD.
NVIDIA are making hay while the sun shines after getting fleeced by miners and AIBs facilitating miners last go around, and AMD have zero real response to it. The good news is that NVIDIA is clearly pumping rebates into the system, and there are substantial retail margins on the card to be played with.
The MSRP this generation seems to be a maximum guidance for base models rather than something that will stick around for 10-12 months.
that's why I posted it lol
And still sellers on ebay want stupid prices for their used 3060Ti cards.
Are the complete listed showing people are still paying it tho?
According to the auction results, yes.
Crazy times.
Get 6700XT instead.
Yeh but apples and slightly different apples /s
Very different apples. Potentially into orange territory.
I was thinking more into peach territory but oranges is just as good
A Royal Gala vs Granny Smith?
I would take a pink lady though
12GB apples vs 8GB apples.
More apples with more bandwidth too is always more better
Buddy that is a pineapple
“A few other retailers are selling for the same price so just pick one near you.”
So to clarify, not a bargain but a regular price?…
Jensen taking the piss.
And calling it rain
No, lemonade and charging for it.
it's called "lemonade generation", there's a bit of imaginary lemonade somewhere inbetween. it's called DLSS 3
When did rrp become a deal?
When xbox and ps5 were released lol
garbage just stop posting any 4070 deals unless lower than 500 PLEASE.
eeeww 8 GB of VRAM in 2023
RRP does not equal a deal
This card is no good!
8gb VRAM shouldn’t cost more then $400, it already has problems with 1440p max settings in some games, even before RT on.
Continue using my 1660 Ti
If anyone is considering buying this, please don’t. This is a ridiculous offer.
Not anymore outrageous than most the crap posted on this sub. Sheep have spoken so this one is neggable at least.
Plenty of tech reviewers are saying to avoid this card even if you're a fan of NVIDIA.
It's a scum move, don't reward them for it.
"Looks pretty cheap to me for a newly released card"
So let's forget about specs, performance, capacity and value. Let's not bother checking if the card is actually any good, hey it's "new" and it's "Nvidia"…
Not to mention this is the regular price for this atrocity.
Not to mention the internet has been going viral about this being utter trash.
Atleast one popular YT reviewer even made complete fools of themselves by recommending this card, they shamefully deleted their review and posted a cringe worthy and pathetic apology. (It was right after they saw everyone else's reviews, but didn't admit that was the reason haha, they made up some other BS and put on a nice little sincere puppy dog face. The brain dead followers gobbled it up).
This is the worst possible thing that can ever be posted on ozbargain, ever.
Side note poll: Which cohort has the higher IQ: Apple fanbois or Nvidia fanbois?
Poll Results: both come in too embarrassingly low to publish
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/777430 this feels like a better deal