$250 cheaper than it was yesterday, so "only" 602 more than the M1 Pro version with 16 core GPU and 16GB RAM.
Cue comments about how $4k for a laptop is not a bargain ;)
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At 4k they as good as a freebie
Pretty good price if you need that GPU.
or three external screens (although the mac mini pro can do that too)
Don’t get me started on apples new requirement to usually drop $6k to get 3 screens now.
If you don't need a laptop, mac mini pro is $2k. In a laptop yeah, M2 Max is pretty steep.
Hot deal but I don't have enough money for dat boi.
M1 does not run hot. Where did you hear that?
My work M1 Pro 16 inch Macbook Pro does run hot. I run a lot of apps though. It is slow when a lot virtual memory is being used (i.e. not enough RAM, too many memory hungry apps running). When it is really warm, I do try to close a few apps.
Don't get me wrong, it is a lot better than the old Intel Mac I had. However, I can still max out Macbook Pro M1 Pro.
You can apply thermal pad to the chip. It's meant to help a lot with cooling your device. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSkcMwzZEFo
@ihfree: I probably should install TG Pro and re-tune the fan (make it more aggressive). My work MBP doesn't seem to like to turn the fan on.
Pro with 16Gigs? Ya you will run out of memory. But doubt it runs hot, mostly warm. Unless you taxing the CPU/GPU continously like in video editing or compiling code for tens of minutes.
All Mac's run retarded hot. It's like they do the bear minimum.
If you are hardly using it or course it doesn't run hot. Wait until you start doing 3D renders.
CPUs aren't really that fast outside of specific accelerated tasks
Really? Last I saw, reviews were glowing about how far Apple silicon is ahead of Intel and Qualcomm.
I have the 2019 16" model from work and the way the fans run at max RPM when Intellij decides to shit itself annoys me so I'm considering upgrading to the latest M2 model.
IntelliJ is a lot better on Apple Silicon, but it can still shit itself. It still eats memory like crazy. There could be some quirks if you have to work with older Java projects. I am seriously considering switching to VSCode.
Some apps are still Intel based, so need to run via Rosetta. Latest Office patch for Apple Silicon annoys me. The latest Excel patch appears to introduce new bugs.
Intel and AMD basically uses more power for the single core performance and whack in more cores for multi-core. Intel is doing the P-cores & E-cores trick (hey, Apple does it too). Yes, desktop vs laptop is unfair comparison, but most people don't care.
Really? Last I saw, reviews were glowing about how far Apple silicon is ahead of Intel and Qualcomm.
Look at more benchmarks and real world tests. They're pretty good perf/watt but they are hardly this insane workhouse (raw perf) some "reviewers" or synthetic benchmarks make them out to be.
I haven't used an intel macbook for 15 years, so maybe the arm-mac chips are a lot better than Intel-macs chips, and that's why people embedded in the apple ecosystem are so excited. My comment was comparing them to CPUs in general, including desktop chips (which still completely dominate them).
I see i've been quickly downvoted for being someone that uses a machine daily and doesn't think $2000 of hardware with an OS that can't maximise windows without fumbling with a trackpad (without third party software) is really worth $4000. It's not that i love other laptops, they're mostly crap too, but at least they (mostly) don't have dedicated communities of fanboys. Maybe lenovo fanboys are the closest, who think the latest garbage thinkpads are still as premium as 10 years ago.
@ssfps: This one is M1 Max with decent amount of RAM and SSD. You cannot get M1 Max with 256GB SSD. While you could technically argue Apple Silicon M1 can be beaten by a cost effective desktop PC, these M1 Pro, M1 Max laptops are in a different league.
While I agree there is a bit of overhype on the performance (and there are certainly some aspects where PC setup still runs faster - though you need a top notch GPU), the Pro/Max/Ultra level of Apple Silicon machines, performance wise, is no joke. I want PC to do well, but Apple creaming the top of TSMC CPUs and not afraid to go for super big dies, it's best Intel and AMD don't take Apple lightly. Working on Web front end projects, these Apple Silicon does do very well.
If you really use a M1 Max daily for work, I seriously doubt you would be unhappy about its CPU + GPU performance.
@Mostly Fanless: Laptops with
- quick-swappable (replaceable) batteries
- dual batteries
- lots of I/O ports, no need to carry dongles
- good keyboard (not missing important keys, not minaturised individual keys)
- good trackpad (this is one area these M1 macbooks excel, the trackpad is actually good)
- user serviceable parts - ram, ssd/hdd/wifi at least
- high build quality
Unfortunately I don't know any current laptops with these features, but 10 years ago i'd say thinkpads or maybe some dell precisions were pretty fantastic machines.
@ssfps: I agree with you, actually, the trend over time to hardwire all the parts in (not just Apple) is disconcerting. Framework at least are trying to do something in this regard although still falling well short of your list. However reportedly the fan noise is on the high side which these days is a no-no for me.
With regard to performance and ignoring the non-upgradability, I think the fanless M1 Air was (still is) an incredible machine, but Apple have also produced some real stinkers and people seem to have forgotten about those (or blame Intel). And Intel and AMD aren't standing still as you point out.
@ssfps: No, you are being downvoted for applying old school reasoning to new school CPU’s.
Oh, and apart from wattage intel has pretty clearly caught up.
@Eeples: Please elaborate on what "old school reasoning" i'm applying?
Not wanting a third of my CPU transistor budget should be essentially dark silicon dedicated to specific algs because they can't push general purpose further? The fact that despite perf/watt being important for servers and mobility, we should still recognize the performance gulf between mobility/server class hardware and less efficient desktops/workstations?
@ssfps: @ssfps I love PC's, I have a huge ass gaming setup. I'm also a pro photog and have a m1 max / 64gb / 4tb ssd - it's a freaking beast. On another world to the normal m1's and believe me very much a match for my PC.
I wasn't a believer either until I tried it. It's on parity with my PC in some things and faster in others. It's an absolute weapon. Worth every cent.
@gavincato: The M1s looked great early on because they were the only processor using the (new) 5nm TSMC node, then ryzens were released on the same node and suddenly they looked like what you'd expect for the power consumption. If you have a 5nm desktop ryzen it's still going to crush the M1 Max in a laptop. The apple-arm SoCs still have some advantages for being so tightly integrated and for specific uses, but then that's a smaller factor and the tradeoff is against flexibility and repairability - and if you're doing specific GPU workloads yeah the M1 is going to beat other iGPUs but it's still hugely under powered compared to dGPUs. That's fine, it's a good piece of engineering, but this hype around them being desktop-slayers is laughable.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4751vs4585/AMD-Ryzen-9-…
https://technical.city/en/cpu/Apple-M1-Max-vs-Ryzen-9-6900HX
(note the 6900 is even on a worse node)
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_m1_max_32_gp…
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-becomes-tsmcs-2nd-biggest-…
https://venturebeat.com/games/2-big-ces-trends-pcs-closing-a…
Of course, when apple releases new M chips on 2/3/4nm, it will likely be "the best" again until amd or intel move to that node.
@ssfps: i have a 5950x. The m1 max imports and exports raw camera files from 45mp and 100mp cameras just as fast as the desktop. it sounds crazy but it's true. It also does so whilst on battery and dead silent.
Don't get me wrong, I love my PC (I've been building them since I was 10-12) but this laptop really is quite amazing. Like I said, I didn't believe it either until I tried it. I'm sure if I ran certain benchmarks on both I could say "hey the pc is faster" but for my workload, it's pretty much parity.
Such a fashion tax, i suppose we get shoved on them at work because some higher ups like the look.
Bro I could only dream of getting an M1 or M2 series MacBook at work. I feel you though, you should be able to choose what hardware you need to get your work done, within reason.
Runtime on battery is 15 hours according to notebookcheck on their standard test, although of course it depends on what's being done.
Um… if you really use it for heavy coding work (full 8 hours), you won't get 15 hours on battery.
and a better battery
I think 16" MacBook Pro got maximum allowed by TSA capacity to be in carry on language on the plane (100Wh).
How did you form your opinion that these things run hot ?
Does this model have high clout at universities?
2021 was so two years ago..
If you're studying design or animation or whatever, then yeah it would.
no, you're thinking of the older models with the glowing backlight logo cutout in the back of the lid that let your lecturer know that you're using a Mac.
Omg only 32GB of RAM it’s 2023!!!
No thanks!
Apple unified RAM, worth more than plebe PC RAM.
Funny thing is it's actually using Samsung's RAM
and…?
The important part is that it's integrated with the SoC
@helicopeter: They are clearly referring to apple's unified memory design. Who manufactures the individual components is not relevant
(I was trying to be ironic as 8GB Apple machines usually get a caning here).
This is a 4K$ last gen laptop.
I had no idea there could be such a large amount of discourse over what has been shown through multiple avenues to be the best CPU group on the market at the moment, especially in laptops.
Yes you have no idea
https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b412/Metabox-Prime-Ai-NH58J…
(About $4K for i9 12900T, 3070Ti, better everything)
And about a half hour worth of battery life
You obviously don't understand the target market for the MacBook if you think a 3070ti is better lol.
Anyway, I am not going to get sucked into the idiot argument of ozbargain, next youll tell me 8gb is not enough on an M1 Air. The stupidity getting around here is infectious. Instead, feel free to go watch literally any of the youtube videos on these devices explaining how good they are, you can argue against those presenters in the comments.
You are now arguing different things. You originally said 'best CPU group… in laptop' (whatever CPU group is meant to mean) which I show to be false with the example for the same price bracket, Intel 12900t is far more powerful on single and multithreaded CPU benches.
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i9_1290…
There are even far more powerful CPUs, eg. 5950X, available in laptop form-factor for ~$4k
https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,481,0)NightskyARX315
And AMD 7000 series, Intel 13000 series again faster (example was i9 but theres higher spec’d xeons even in laptop segment)
Now you refer to GPUs, so as you suggest, searching youtube 3070 vs m1 32 core, the first matches that actually compare 3070 to m1 32 core:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CNMHeZ4Ys - 3070 better for GPU compute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOKl9jTjkOk - 3070 better for 3D games
As with CPUs, later gen GPUs are even more powerful than M2 (eg. AMD 7000, nVidia 4000)
If there is some target market for comparison then say it rather than the fallacious ad hominem saying I don't understand. Mentioning 8gb is also a fallacious non sequitur.
It is very understandable why you have no idea. The burden of proof is on you for making baseless claims like ‘best CPU group on the market’, so you should provide the data, but you instead handball the burden by ambiguous saying go search youtube. You’re essentially saying ‘I’m right, you’re wrong, go look it up yourself, not getting involved further’ - indeed an ‘idiot argument’.
@brenwildman: Idiot argument thinking a 3070s/12900T is better than an M1 Max. Objectively wrong. Like I said not getting into the idiot argument.
You wanna sit here like a dumbass and argue that a gaming laptop is better at gaming than a professional laptop, feel free, it doesn’t make you any less wrong however.
Also editing to add the little tidbit - you read laptop, you confirmed laptop in a comment further along, yet you’re posting something running a desktop CPU. You can’t expect others to toe your arbitrary line if you can’t even toe that line yourself.
@doobey1231: Thank you for confirming that you are unable to provide evidence against the example 12900T/3070ti laptop being superior to this M1 laptop. This invalidates your claim that the M1 is the 'best CPU' and this claim was baseless.
I suggest avoiding generalised or meaningless labels like gaming/professional laptop and laptop/desktop CPU, where these terms have no contextual relevance. Here the 12900T is used in desktops and laptops so the desktop CPU label is irrelevant, and laptops being labelled as gaming or professional is subjective and irrelevant.
I strongly suggest against using logical fallacies as they fail to substantiate your claims. These ad hominems reflect poorly upon your conjecture and the choice to use them suggests you cannot substantiate your claims and therefore resort to fallacies instead.
@brenwildman: I strongly suggest you work on understanding context. Be humble in defeat my friend, you are wasting both of our time.
@doobey1231: This made me laugh initially, then feel pitty, then a sense of relief at understanding the basis of your behaviour. I am always humble.
@brenwildman: Well at least thats one thing you supposedly understand, try working on context next :D
You would need to know both laptops’ runtime and noise level for a given workload to make your conclusion - where’s the data?
@ihfree: If you don't have the data then you can't make the conclusion you did. Claiming there 'isn't any' is incorrect (you not having the data doesn't mean the data doesn't exist) - this is like claiming absense of evidence is evidence of absense. Like doobey1231, if you are making claims then the burden is on you to provide the data.
As I showed with the example laptop, 12900T is availble in a laptop. 5950X is also a 'desktop' CPU but availible in laptops. There is nothing intrisnisic to such processors that make them laptop or desktop exclusive if that is what you are infering, but just stating 12900T is a desktop processor is non sequitur - how is this relevant?
'No IT department would touch metabox' is a baseless argument from authority. If there is some reason why an IT department would not touch a metabox then provide this reason, and how it relates to noise, runtime or less powerful than M1 given the context here.
https://jarrods.tech/laptop-fan-noise/ has some data on metabox noise. I don't know what you mean by saying go back to "I don't understand - build a desktop" - what does this mean and how does it relate to power, noise, or the same CPU being able to be used in both laptops and desktop?
@ihfree: That data does not answer the question of what the noise level is for an equivalent workload between computers, without which you can't do a fair comparison. Stress tests are not equivalent workloads between computers or even equivalent workloads between runs on the same computer. Stress tests are designed to operate the CPU at 100% load / GPU max frames (and where the computer may be power\thermal\fan speed\noise throttling) so the actual workload is highly variable.
It would be unfair to compare the noise of a system performing many more operations to a system performing far less operations. This bad reasoning could be used to say the Lenovo Yoga C940 with i7-1065G7 is superior to the M1 or 12900T since it is only 35.9 dB at full speed, but in reality it is only doing 20% of work that 12900T is doing or 60% of the M1 (cinebench23).
It seems you have (deliberately?) omitted the 100% fan speed noise of the M1 being 48.7 dB, which highlights the deficiency in stress testing here given the high stress test was only 38.9 dB (which suggests the system was not under maximum stress). That is also the M1 16" 10/16 not the 10/32 dicussed here which will have higher thermals at 100% load. The same poor reasoning of noise independent of workload could also be applied to power consumption independent of workload to claim chromebooks are better than M1 since they use less power (but they are actually just doing less work and often less efficiently).
I prefer to rely on empirical evidence rather than relying the types of personal accusations, emotives and fallacies you make, so I see no point addressing your subsequent logical fallacies. Your claim that the example 12900T laptop being more noisy than this M1 is unsubstantiated. On the provided list you can see other laptop CPUs that perform better than this M1 while being quieter (eg. ASUS ROG Flow Z13 Intel i7-12700H, 45.9 db vs 48.7 db at 100% fan speed, while the Intel CPU performs better https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i7-12700h-v…),
I can understand IT procurement not being your area of expertise.
@ihfree: Does anyone compare equiv workloads? I see the point but I think the full load test is still valid, it represents cases like say running a build. The faster machine is just noisy for a shorter period of time.
@Mostly Fanless: Yes, there are benchmarks run that are time based such as chromium compile, decompression, or rendering scenes. Some reviews also use a performance per watt metric.
Most testing is focused on desktop components as these channels focus on enthusiast builds. Laptops are less interesting to enthusiasts and are more difficult to test as there is variation between cooling depending on model and some parts have configurable TDPs.
There's a bit more to it for a laptop chip as efficiency (inc low CPU usage/idle) is important for battery life.
The AMD machines in particular look like quite a compelling purchase based on efficiency. It will be interesting to see what their next generation, which is due to start showing up in laptops soon, is like.
@Mostly Fanless: Comparing equivilant workload, equivilant temperature, equivilant noise, equivilant power draw, equivilant fan RPM, is done when running benchmarks, in particular on desktops, and for individual components. For a shorter periods it might be perfered to have higher noise, for faster performance (which can be controlled for with fan curves).
@ihfree: The link I provided was because you said post ANY information on the brand since you couldn't find information on Metabox. It was not provided to support your claim that the 12900T metabox is noisy. As discussed the burden of proof is on you for making the baseless claim about it being noisy.
'most comparable models' is a logical fallicy of faulty generalisation - some models are louder and less powerful than M1, and some models are more powerful and quieter than even the M1 16c - I had already provided the example ASUS ROG Flow Z13 Intel i7-12700H which is quieter at 100% fan speed and the CPU more powerful.
Many laptops have dedicated graphics cards and thank you I will keep comparing. Indicate why it is invalid to compare the superior performance of similarly priceds laptops to the M1 rather than baseless conclusions.
If more of some subgroup uses an Apple laptop (eg. developers), that does not mean it is superior to other laptop (this is the logical fallicy ad populum). You have also incorrectly (deceptively?) reported your polling - the highest proportion was desktop windows users, and there was no Apple laptop option (only Laptop - Mac), so you have confused hardware\brands and software/OS. Reguardless, mentioning this poll this is a red herring as it is unrelated laptop M1 noise levels.
Provide the data on battery runtime if you are going to claim longer battery runtime on M1 (as I asked originally). You have either confused hardware and software again here by comparing M1 laptop battery usage (hardware) to Windows (software), or are you suggesting Windows itself is less power efficient than MacOS?
@ihfree: Thank you for confirming you are unable to provide evidence that supports your claim that the example 12900T laptop is louder or a shorter battery shorter run time than the OP M1. That is despite the 12900T being far more powerful than the M1 and the example laptop the same price.
Your points indicate you are continuing to ignore the shortcomings of your poaint and you instead continue to use non sequitur and red herring fallacies (aka. rambling) do not support your claims.
@ihfree: Unfortunately you drove the discourse in an illogical manner.
OP said M1 is the best CPU (later invalidated in the thread above with OP and here).
I provided an example of even a laptop with a better CPU (12900T).
You claimed the example laptop is louder and has less battery runtime, but you were unable to provide evidence supporting this.
Instead you provided tangential here-say and ignored the significant flaws in your reasoning.
I even provided another laptop (the ASUS) with a CPU more powerful than the M1 10/32, that is quieter than even the M1 16. Why are you telling me to dig up information on the Metabox - is there some claim I made that is baseless? It is yourself who is making many baseless claims about it.
If you feel it is unfair to compare a laptop with a desktop class CPU to this M1 laptop without providing the rationale for this then that claim is unsubstantiated and rejected. Regardless there are laptops with laptop class CPUs more powerful than this M1 (as shown previously) or as you mention M2 here's another cheaper metabox that has a more powerful CPU than the M2 (eg. https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b428/Metabox-Alpha-SR-NP50S… - $2.6k i9 13900HX)
@brenwildman: You've provided the laptop and links. You haven't made a claim, but have generated a lot of noise. You've also posted links which you've then said are meaningless when i've commented on them.
Based on what is known about the 12900T/M1:
If you disagree with anything there, feel free to get some actual data to disprove it otherwise you're just wasting time. You appear to be using the "Appeal to Possibility" fallacy when what is known is stacked against your points. Based on prior assumptions you've made about jobs in IT and throwing around buzzwords, it's also quite clear that your knowledge of IT is quite minimal and enthusiast level at best.
Honestly, you're posting a lot of text and i'm not fully reading them or engaging. I feel like i'm doing you a disservice if you are taking this seriously and not trolling.
Here's a review by Hardware Unboxed - Can Intel's Fastest CPU Beat Apple? - Core i9-12900HK vs M1 Pro Benchmark Review.
@ihfree: Yes it is clear you either willfully ignore the statements that invalidate your statements, or you accept the invalidation because you have provided responses without valid counter statements. You also seem to have misinterpreted my points too - I didn't say my provided link was meaningless, it fulfilled your ask for any data on Metabox (and which showed other laptops more powerful than the M1 while being quieter). I only said my link didn't support your claim that the 12900T Metabox was louder than the M1 10/32 since that model Metabox or M1 isn’t on the link, so your claim remains baseless. Again the burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim and not on someone else to validate it (or invalidate it).
You are still posting non sequiturs with your dot points - provide that data that supports your claim that the example 12900T is louder and has shorter battery runtime rather than deflection. My statements are not appeal to possibility because they are appealing to reality/evidence: those laptops I provided exist and are better and are not theoretical or possibility. You are still using ad hominems re: assumptions/knowledge which are pointless. What buzzwords are you referring to?
Yes I am serious there are more powerful CPUs than the M1 even in the same price bracket and in laptops. Yes that i9-12900HK laptop in your link is higher performance than M1, further invalidating OP's claim of M1 being the best CPU.
@ihfree: I can see from these responses that you are just pointlessly deflecting/redirecting and not intending on validating your claims. If you have something to say from that video then say it (again the burden of proof is on you for you claims, not for someone else to research). I won't provide out of context responses re: distributed compute.
@ihfree: My claim was that the 12900T is a more powerful CPU than the M1 10/32. You suggested the 12900T laptop was louder and less battery run time so the burden of proof for noise and power claims is on you not me. Like I said the reason for me not providing a definition for distributed compute here is because that is out of context here and would exacerbate the deflection/ time wasting you are doing.
@ihfree: It has already been established that the 12900T is more powerful than the OP M1 10/32. Your claim was that the example 12900T laptop is louder and has a shorter battery runtime - which even after you have provided so many responses, your claim remains unsupported. Your extrapolation on noise was already shown to be a generalisation fallacy, as there were laptops on that list I provided that were quieter and more powerful than M1 (and are cheaper).
You are now being hypocritical by making a theoretical fallacy (which you wrongfully claimed I have made) by providing this theoretical 3D printed laptop claim, which itself is a non sequitur to your claim that the example 12900T laptop is louder. I have relied on real world models and data. Please do build that 3D printed laptop, it sounds like a decent computer and the performance could be compared to the M1 10/32, 12900T or other CPUs mentioned, though this will not impact your unfounded claim about the 12900T noise.
The strong emotion and intentions are clear in your response however this falls short of empirical evidence and reasoning, and what little bearing it has to your claims is actually detrimental from a discourse perspective.
@ihfree: Again the burden of proof is on you to support your claims - you made the claim about noise and battery run time not myself. It is illogical to make unsupported claims, ask others to find the evidence to support your claims, and the evidence may not be obtainable, and then repeatedly claim others as wrong without providing supporting evidence yourself (see Russell's teapot).
That's a pretty extraordinary claim that I gave the 12900T as an example, predicting that someone would say that it is noisy, so that I could refute that noise claim by some argument that it has zero reviews. This is another logical fallacy called a strawman argument as I have not made that argument about zero reviews that you are now making. 12900T was given as an example because it was a CPU I had recently come across in the other thread you mention, but I have also provided other examples here. Regardless, intention is not important here in relation to performance, noise etc. - only empirical evidence and reasoning is relevant.
I would suggest if you have insufficient ability or effort to provide supporting evidence for your claims then you should accept they are baseless claims. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" - hence your claims here are rejected. It may be easier to just not make the baseless claim in the first place as your method of discourse (logical fallacies and personal attacks) could be considered unfairly detrimental to your claims themselves.
@ihfree: You have reverted to emotion and ad hominems again which I assume is because you are unable to use any evidence or logical reasoning to support your points. Please show where any of my points are false. ‘better everything’ was an in-kind retort to the ambiguous ‘multiple avenues’ and ‘CPU group’ stated by the OP (this was further clarified that I meant better CPU and GPU peroformance relative to the OP M1 10/32 in that thread).
the best CPU group on the market
subjective, wrong
stupidity getting around here is infectious. Instead, feel free to go watch literally any of the youtube videos
Yes, stupidity is indeed around here, with a high concentration in your smug posts.
Be humble in defeat my friend, you are wasting both of our time.
Please let this be satire.
If you are stupid enough to think I meant gaming that says more about you than it does about me.. I think anyone with two braincells to rub together can figure out what these machines have been made for. A better use for your time - go chat with your friend and compare professional work machines with gaming laptops, I am sure you two can learn a lot from each other.
Wish these came with HDMI 2.1 Its a bummer they cant do 120Hz at 4K for this price.
Newer 2023 model has HDMI 2.1
You don't meet HDMI 2.1 to use 4k 120hz.
Thunderbolt 4 can also do the job
You have to again spend some nice dough for those dongles.
A USB-C to DisplayPort cable isn’t expensive. Even a M1 MacBook Air can output 4K 120Hz with one of those.
The problem is HDMI. So don’t use HDMI!
Not to mention stable diffusion and PyTorch in general are supporting Apple M1 ML, so you get a huge unified memory pool for running inference
Anyone find it odd that Apple is happy to sell to a major competitor, but not a company like Kogan?
Cloud business and commercial retail are two separate things.
Plus Cook is not Jobs, he’s pragmatic
what hyper scaler do you think 1/2 of Apples cloud services run off ?
Why would you call Amazon a major competitor of Apple?
Apples and amazons.
Been stalking this laptop for a while on the used market now, my Centrelink hasn’t been approved yet so I can’t jump on this one 😭 though since it is similar to Apple refurbished prices I’m not too mad ig
$1600 less than the 2023 model, that’s a pretty decent chunk of change. I’ve had one from launch day and it’s still phenomenal.
I'm on a 2021 M1 Pro and haven't been wowed by it…
It loads Chrome and MS Word just as slow as a PC.. kind of regret spending stupid amounts of money for GPU/CPU I'll never use to the full extent. Hopefully, things get better over time…
Not sure what you're hoping for - that you start using applications that can prove to you how powerful machine you have?
Sounds like MBAir might have been more suitable for you.
If you bought it just to use Chrome and MS Word, then yes it is waste of money.
kind of regret spending stupid amounts of money for GPU/CPU I'll never use to the full extent
There's your problem. As always, work out what you need, considering future requirements, and buy accordingly.
If you're after saving a bit on a Apple Laptop, and want more than the Air… This is a good substitute on the M2 version. They have better battery life, slightly better outputs (although thunderbolt makes that mostly redundant).
The M1 Series are in no way out of date, and will last a long time yet. Great chips.
More info:
https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1-vs-m2-macbook-pro/
Showing $5,475.82 for me.
Yep, looks like the deal's over.
Bought this for $4188 at launch. Think I did pretty well now…..
Actually yeah similarly… I paid $4347 and got back ~$350 in Coles FlyBuys points.
Really? I hadn't realized there were such big discounts early on.
I don't know how Jr2499 got it for $4188, however, I got mine through the AOC Education Store, and that was the normal price. I also paired it with a FlyBuys deal going on (in fact, the exact same as THIS DEAL) to get further value on my spending. :)
Cheaper than refurbished. Good deal.