I didn't find it on TGG web site. I assume it's only in store. Obviously it's not a great OLED. But consider the price…
p.s. Don't forget the Store Cash.
I didn't find it on TGG web site. I assume it's only in store. Obviously it's not a great OLED. But consider the price…
p.s. Don't forget the Store Cash.
The reviews are actually quite good. Missing 120hz and hdmi 2.1 but then again for this price it's a good offer
I bought the 55” during Prime Day and I can’t complain much given the price I got it for. Uses the same panel as the C9 so it’s a few generations old but you still get the OLED wow factor. The Ambilight feature is also great and adds to the experience.
800kw per year. haven't checked Samsung and Sony but that still a wow for me
No one seems to care anymore if you need a nuclear reactor to run a TV. P.S others are in the mid 700's.
any 75" or 85"
Damn, they still have these. My 805 has been fantastic, Ambilight is great.
Oh wow.. A great price. A generation or two behind wouldn't concern me. Look at the price. 🙂
Good post OP.
Have always been intrigued by the ambilight feature.
Reviews make this look quite good, super tempting
Was about to buy the Sony X90k today but saw this at store.. I think this is the 2019 model, is it still worth to buy?
Yes, if you're looking for the best value 65" (that doesn't have a no-name OLED panel) with inky blacks, more vibrant colours and no blooming vs LCD. I find Ambilight is a huge advantage for immersion and reducing eye strain. Really lights up an entire wall watching movies in a dark room, which is what OLEDs do best.
Some Google reviews said 804 had bad HDR performance in dark scene and Philips is not like the old Philips after they sold their TV business to a Hong Kong company though, specially with their customer service and QC.
I have an 805 and it's great. Image processing was improved for that model year but I'm sure the 804 is just fine.
I remember ambilight in the early days, it’s not great enough to make me take the hit on this, will still likely go an LG or Sony but ambilight makes a significant difference enough to consider in your purchase.
It made such a difference that I’m going to get the Hue variant for whatever tv I end up grabbing.
"Obviously it's not a great OLED." - They're getting better all the time.
Don't forget the Store Cash
What's that?
How can I check if they still have it in stock? I'm a bit far away and would driving all the way up to see they don't have any in stock.
Give them a call?
Yeah, that's on me.
P.S.: They only have one left, so if anyone's interested, it's your last chance.
Even tried calling my local who said they had them in stock but couldn't price match…
Got 804 in 55" (and dead pixels around edges), if there's anything wrong with its HDR, that would only be nitpicking (as far as being noticeable) and the least of this Philips' problems. HDR reproduction seems fine, it's the gazillion "AI" crap settings, that alter the same thing, you have to set & test for each and every input; some mislabeled or do the opposite of what you expect. Even its so-called game (monitor) mode has profiles, and shouldn't even be a thing, ffs, just tell us what gives maximum brightness values (in both analog & digital domains) and black all the way to zero. Manual adjustment to preference of curves/gamma would honestly be more basic if it were more advanced and not dumbed down for the user. So erm, you might never know if HDR and colour is 1:1 to the source, really.
But the biggest issue, is its whatever motion smoothness processing (which you kind of want enabled) fails to track all objects smoothly, like most TVs before it, it has artifacts for particular things. As family is happily watching terrestrial DTV through it, I can't speak for using it for PC HDMI that would be the best way to ascertain all its limitations.
Oh, speaking of limitations, it brings up a display-filling dialog window after 8 hours of screen on time to request that you let it clean for 10 minutes to prevent oled burn-in. Someone with the (IR or bluetooth) remote control can defer it from entering a hybrid standby now if you catch it within the 20 or more seconds countdown… If you don't dismiss it or do let it sleep, idk if you lose what you had open, probably do in some cases.
There is high probability you -won't- get audio perfectly lip-synced [edit: also randomly out of sync with the TV speakers - that is with respect to in conjunction] with your external sound system, no matter how it's connected, optical (probably just my Edifier), HDMI return (could be same as I don't have a real Receiver yet, only adaptor to optical), headphone out (best results but lacking fidelity), bluetooth…
Android TV integration is great, though I can't see how to sideload apk.
Is the pixel shifting on 804 really that noticeable?
Fails windmill visual tests on YouTube, very clearly in my view…
Sometimes you see image breakup temporal macro-blocking, not data corruption in transport, but telltale pixel shifting (if that's the term used now). Not enough to be annoying, but disappointing for a really nice oled screen…
Dad watches a lot of snooker via YouTube, (or no matter the media player,) the moving ball can skip forward an ugly bit.
Sorry, pixel shifting (like some 4k projectors do to "fake" 4k, no, no), the anti image retention measure, ah that, what's intrinsic to its LG panel (pre C2, I believe). We're not worried about it. Using this oled as TV heavily since July, no sign of (permanent) burn-in, but I have glimpsed darkened/lightened areas, filled boxes & blobs if picture transitions to one special shade of solid grey - same as seen on my Motorola oled phone.
Having nagging guilt over providing some inaccurate testimony here: Misattributing when I wrote, I guess I was having haunting flashbacks to the frequent ghastly visible macroblocking (when extrapolating motion vectors goes awry) artifacts on our dead TEAC (LCD from like 2013) that we only recently replaced with this Philips we're discussing here - which, since I'm being completely forthcoming, could ideally be brighter, but I imagine (and I'm doing a lot of that lately) at 65" should negate the need - closer you are [sitting] to a vibrant OLED, the better.
Watched the 55" OLED with family last night, perfect picture and free of hiccups save for the edge cases mentioned. The 804 has -imperfect- but more than satisfactory motion interpolation (on maximum - no wonder, but necessary, I feel). Parents think I'm too fussy.
It'll be somethin' to write home about when we see "real" AI models running onboard for increasing the framerate for one - that is to say when it is more common place in affordable TVs. Excuse me while I toy with GPU based "Flowframes" on PC, together with VapourSynth and mpv, for ridiculously smooth video consumption.
Are you sure about the AI modes claim? The 805 was the one that introduced "AI" image processing, and that's become the norm across all manufacturers. I've found it's possible just to have the mode set to standard across the board on my 805, or your own manual settings, and it looks great. The newer motion processing works a charm once the balance with sharpness is right. What actually annoyed me the most is the default Ambilight behaviour changed after an update from off when the screen is black, to white, which is ugly. I researched this online and found Philips did this after "requests" from customers. I found the best workaround is changing the Ambilight mode to natural, which significantly reduces this white output, or gaming, which makes Ambilight immediately accurately respond to colour in the scene. Natural mode is less jarring and the best in my usage (pretty much the previous behaviour).
In regards to 804: (Not comprehensive or verbatim.)
All settings
Picture
Picture Style
(profiles)
Colour
(slider)
Contrast
(slider)
Brightness
(slider)
Advanced submenu submenus:
Contrast mode
blah
blah
blah
auto
Perfect Natural Reality
blah
blah
blah
auto
HDR Perfect
blah
blah
blah
auto
Perfect Contrast
blah
blah
blah
auto
Video contrast
blah
blah
blah
auto
Every source initialised to defaults.
Get that 🌽 outta my face!
Ah so you're talking about the "dumb" picture modes. The 804 doesn't have AI. Bit of a gimmick from experience.
I use a 2nd gen OLED that still looks better than majority of LCD around today. This is better than mine and half the price. Amazing deal.
This has expired for a while now. I got one and I absolutely love it. I don't think I can ever go back to TVs without ambilight.
and here I thought all OLED screens/tv's were the same