Last night all of sudden AMD has dropped their 7000 series CPU prices. Good price for 7900x, although the MOBO and DDR 5 Ram still expensive, this is much better than day one price.
AMD CPU Ryzen 5 7600X $459, AMD Ryzen 7 7700X $579, AMD Ryzen 9 7900X $799 Delivered/Store Pickup @ BPC Tech
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You should consider a 5800X3D then not think about CPUs until AM6, that's my call without knowing anything that you use your PC for.
Yeah that's the only AMD CPU I'd consider at this point. 10 fold if gaming is the priority.
Yeah, the current costs of itx am5/1700, the power consumption and ddr5 just don’t make it appealing imo
i would wait for the 7800X3D. should be similar to the current 5800x3D price
that's my call without knowing anything that you use your PC for
5800X3D is a pretty niche CPU though, so unless the system is only used for gaming, it won't be the best option. I'd just get a 5700X for half the price if gaming is not your central priority.
5800X3D is fantastic for gamers. I'm not a gamer though. For what I do, the 5900x would be better, I think.
just keep it, dont upgrade to an already outdated system in zen 3, its not worth it, better off waiting at least 6-12 months for prices to come down on DDR5 and the new MBs imo. 3600x is still a descent CPU.
Descent CPU keep dropping in prices
Damn, i didnt realise 5000 series was already outdated :(
Surely you all meant "decent" CPU
Literally my position; thinking about replacing my 3700X with the 5900X (not X3D because I do photo editing work as well).
But something like the 7700X is ~60% faster than my 3700X in Photoshop according to Techspot/HUB so it's actually a compelling upgrade especially if the price of motherboards drop as well…
Might have to hold on a little longer before deciding what to upgrade to :/
3600x is more than enough, it shouldn't bottleneck most GPUs anyway which is what really matters these days.
Maybe snag a second hand 5800x from everyone buying the 3d.
I'd be staying on the 3600x. That beast is extremely decent. Even my 1600AF runs everything smoothly. Tested with 6600XT and everything runs smoothly.
3600x is pretty good, why waste your money?
I'm tossing up whether I should grab something like a 5900x to replace my 3600x, or just keep the 3600x for another year or 2.
Do you need more cores? If not, Ryzen 5 3600X still going for $150 on eBay (e.g. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/195432678225), I'd just get a 5600 for $199, sell your 3600X for $150. Will be a decent upgrade for $50.
I'm not really torn here. If 5900x drops low enough, I'd grab it for the extra cores and boost in speed, but I really don't need it.
The am5 platform might be good for 5+ years, but just too pricey at present, especially when my 3600x works perfectly fine 95% of the time.
I bought the 3600x just weeks before the 3rd gen chips dropped, but got it for good enough a price I wasn't too bummed about it. My previous system was from 2011 (i5-3550).
I think if I had to buy a new system tomorrow, I'd be swayed towards Intel at the moment.
If u have AM4
Then a 5800x3d
All u need is a CPU and ur set for 3-4 more years.
I put together a PC with 5900x and 3090 and all very happy over my old 3600 and 2070
No discount for 7950x
7950x is the best seller for AMD's current Zen 4 line up. So less chance of getting a discount so early in the product life.
Looks like it's discounted now, AMD is really struggling to compete against intel's 13th gen.
13600k with ddr4 just to hard to beat withpricing and amd can’t even compete with performance this time which makes it even harder to sell
13600k is that good?
Its the best value for money cpu atm for all round use.
Until you get the electricity bill.
@ihfree: For gaming it's (profanity) all. TPU measured an average 1080p use of 74w for 13600k and 62w for the 7700x. If you were gaming 3 hours a day and paying 25c per kWh it's a yearly difference of about $3.30
@ausmisc: Yes, but purely for gaming the AMD is actually just as good bang for buck, but has future upgradability.
@ihfree: Intel chips are around 75 to 100w more around the same performance level from memory. So the performance gap is less compelling for me once you look at the thermal and energy performance.
So the performance gap is less compelling for me once you look at the thermal and energy performance.
If you keep the CPUs for 3 years, it's literally like $10-15 difference in electricity prices.
@sackrace: For gaming, 13600k probably consumes less power than 7600x. For productivity? 13600k may consume more power as it’s much faster. Check this https://youtu.be/LSSmgAGf2D8
@sackrace: Cost of electricity $0.21/kWh (see: https://www.originenergy.com.au/electricity-gas/plans.html, for instance)
The 13600K uses 315W under full load, the closest AMD competitor, the 7700X uses 256W (see: https://youtu.be/I7-2ArdYvfA?t=839)
In other words, the 13600K uses 59W more under load, so for every hour of full load, you will spend $0.21 * 0.059 = $0.01239.
If you fully load up your computer for 3 hours per day for 365 days per year, which is heaps, you'll be spending 3 * 365 * 0.01239 = $13.50, which is right bang in the middle of my $10 - 15 estimate.
Unless you're running a render farm where you're loading up these CPUs 24/7, it just doesn't matter for regular consumer use.
Arguing to buy a worse value product to save a few bucks per year is just illogical.
@p1 ama: Yeah you've just gotten the same numbers I gave.
People may care, or may not, I'm not fussed either way.
For me 13th gen brute forces the performance through abusing power consumption and I prefer the 7000 series as a result, even if amd has also gone a little nuts with the tdp there too.
@p1 ama: Pushing power consumption to inefficient levels to deliver performance.
The 7000 series is also guilty to a degree, but less so.
Yep.. 7700X level gaming and productivity even though it's mean to compete with 7600X. However pricing wise it's closer to 7700X at the moment, just cheaper MB and ram if you go. For ddr4
Chip itself is still bit expensive but the cheap mb and ram really made up for it, like others said best value combo for performance at the moment
lol what?
https://www.techspot.com/review/2555-intel-core-i5-13600k/The 7600x is identical
12 Game Average
Here's our look at the gaming average at 1080p, and the Ryzen 5 7600X managed to come out on top, at least when comparing the average frame rate where it was a mere 3% faster. The 1% lows were identical at 175 fps though, and the takeaway should be that the overall gaming experience is virtually identical using either CPUThe only upside the 13600k has really right now
is the z690 boards being cheap,and the temps in gaming
But FPS wise,there is nearly no diffrence
Dang, I bought the 7950X for $1062 just weeks ago lol. Oh well!
how you finding the heat? Was going to upgrade to the 7950x but after doing tonnes of research, decided to swap to 13900k instead. AMD's attempt at making it backwards compatible with am4 coolers by raising the IHS by ~1mm seem to be raising eyebrows everywhere. JayzTwoCents lapped his 7950x by 0.8mm and saw a temp drop of 10c. But then again, your average consumer is not going to take a sandpaper or belt sander to their $1000+ cpu and destroy its warranty nor will they do direct-die cooling
Sooo you went for the one chip that's way hotter because it actually draws more power under load …(GPU level power) and power = heat…lol …I assume the reviewers like Hardware unboxed etc were in this research? Pretty sure I remember they couldn't stop the 13900k from hitting 100c under full load even with huge AIOs.
As for AMD just turn on Eco mode or set power limits if you don't want the 95c which it is rated to run at.
95c is 95c. Putting lipstick on a pig doesnt change the fact that its still a pig. I dont care if AMD says its "designed" and safe to run at 95c.
Running 10mins in cinebench r23 - saw temps hover around 85c with kryonaut extreme and a 360mm AIO. And for my work in the vfx industry, the performance 13900k offers in Nuke far outweighs the 7950x.@AssBargain: All good :) .. just going to have to agree to disagree there.. as long as it's all working well for you thats all that counts.
@AssBargain: The actual heat generated is based on the power used, not how hot the CPU is. In this case, as you said the AMD chip isn't quite as effective as dissipating the heat from the chip, resulting in it having higher (but within specification) temps. This does not change the fact that the intel generates more heat.
@filmer: The 25W difference between the 2 doesnt bother me a single bit, so it all comes down to how (like you said) how efficiently a cpu can be cooled. The 13900k might generate more heat but whatever cooler you use is able to draw the heat away quicker. Whereas 7950x is like going to bed on a hot summer night wearing a winter coat while also having the AC on to cool yourself down.
@AssBargain: Wait, the 13900k runs slightly hotter in games, and boosts to 5 degrees higher at max stress..
@filmer: thats such an arbiturary value that is dependant on so many factors… Played verm 2 and mw2 last night on 2k ultra locked at 165 fps. Never saw cpu temp over 65c
@AssBargain: This will be the case for the apparently impossible to cool AMD CPUs also.
You mention the 7950 is too hot, then you buy the hotter CPU..
@AssBargain: Everyone knows the 13900k runs way warmer than anything else at the moment, I haven't seen any YouTube review saying otherwise.
7950X not on discount thought, $1062 probably is still a good buy :)
Is it really dropping? Last month 7600x was $429 + shipping?
To be honest the price of MB and RAM dropping will probably make a bigger difference here than the CPU's itself… in saying that good video out from HU on platform costs purely for gaming… HU
The 7700x is a pretty decent upgrade for gamers who want to move to the new platform from AMD. Gaming performance wise it is the best option.
1440p gaming benchmarks: https://i.imgur.com/17W4UrP.png
The 5800X3D is a better option for those who dont want to upgrade to the new platform and want to wait either for the AM5 mobo prices to drop or wait for 7000 x3d series.
I like the max core single chiplet models myself, the 5800x was my pick last gen.
How much would a mobo+ddr5 ram cost me if I wanted an upgrade?
How long is a piece of string?
Cheapest on static ice - $358.
I checked earlier, was about $1400 for 7700X + B650 Tomahawk WIFI + 32GB DDR5 6000CL36.
Could go a bit cheaper on the RAM if you really wanted but motherboards are pricey, especially if you want a decent one.Thanks, this looks like a valid upgrade path (ddr5 and new mobo) for longetivity!
Prices still not competitive.
13600K/KF still far cheaper than the 7700X and similar for the 13700K/KF against the 7900X, this is exacerbated with motherboard costs.
Even though AMD roughly sees the 7600X as competing against the 13600K, it doesn't really. When Intel releases a 13400 for < $400, the 7600X will be dead and buried especially given you'll be able to pair it with a $150 B660 motherboard.
only 7950 is decent, the rest a pretty mediocre compared to the intel counterparts. AMD dropped the 7950x price in China last night to around $865. Still stuiply expensive mobo though. Just bought a 13900k for home and thinking of getting hte 13700k for office use.
Trash unless your already invested in am
This is an AM5 CPU. No-one is already invested as this is a new generation.
There's nothing wrong with these CPUs, though, I'd expect a price cut based on Intel's performance and cheaper platform costs.
Intel destoyed them this round, if all you do is gaming maybe but even then, platform costs. If this is a new build and your not going to upgrade for a while, intel has them well beat, esp for workstation loads
Intel has no pcie 5.0 SSD storage, AMD does.
Intel has no AVX512 instruction set, AMD does.
AM5 will allow you to use CPUs released in 2025+, current Intel motherboards will not work for next years Meteor Lake CPUs.
To get best performance from Intel CPUs you are forced to use Windows 11, AMD is just fine with Win 10.
People pushing the 'Intel has won' mantra think more short term than I do. My next PC purchase will be AM5.
@B3: Banging on about long term benefits of AMD but on the same hand using Windows 10 as a positive? Right….
@B3: negating any bs future proofing "claims" made by amd about their motherboard upgradability. Will you notice any difference between pcie4 vs 5 in real world use? Intel has destroyed amd this round and their still on a 7nm node vs amd 5nm. sorry but when you see a 40% difference in workstation loads vs amd, and better gaming performance, and at a better price you have surely lost. I won't be upgrading for about 4 years so any claims by amd are worthless
@[Deactivated]: Destroy is a strong word. The 13600K is definitely a compelling platform if you have core heavy workloads.
HW Unboxed video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-l8dJRvb3c
7600X does have a better platform, better features, easier to cool and the platform has better future potential. Cost actually isn't as bad as I thought based on the linked video.
5800X3D also comes out pretty favourably cost wise but a EOL platform. Same can be said for the 13600K, though.
If I was just gaming and in need of a new build, I would be strongly considering the the AM5 platform. If I had core heavy workloads, I'd probably go to a 7950X over Intel.
I have AM4, so I am going to a 5800X3D. It's a pretty exciting time anyway with both companies having decent CPUs and upcoming new releases - 7000 series X3D models, 13400, etc.
AM5 will allow you to use CPUs released in 2025+, current Intel motherboards will not work for next years Meteor Lake CPUs.
The only issue with this is that AM5 motherboards are now so expensive - a mainstream X670 board is twice as expensive as Z690, and over 50% more expensive than Z790.
With that sort of premium, you're better off buying a Z690 board today, then buying another board again when you upgrade.
AM4 was super because you could buy an affordable motherboard and have it last for ages - I paid $150 for a B450 board with a Ryzen 7 2700X, which I ended up putting a 3700X, then 5800X into.
There needs to be X670 options around the $300 mark and B650 options around the $200 mark for AM5 to be competitive.
@p1 ama: You make fair points. Many of the advantages of AM5 will only be significant advantages in the future, which is unusual.
For use today Z790 is better value. In a years time, I expect AM5 will have proven to be a better purchase but as you say, you are paying a fair bit for that future utility. The decision depends on how much people value people place on current day use compared to future use.
Personally I'm not really interested in buying something today and am planning to buy AM5 when it is a bit cheaper so it is a relatively easy decision for me but I agree that there are plenty of reasons to buy Z790 today.
Destroyed
calm down.
the 13600k matches a 7600 FPS in most games
the 13900k is (profanity) off hot and power hungry compared to the FPS gain over the i7
I have a full Ryzen 7 7700X AM5 setup with A b650 motherboard. Get decent enough performance on the games I play. PCIE 5.0 and DDR5 RAM is crazy fast.
I forked out quite a lot of money but I don't buy PC parts often so I'm good for the next 5 years+.Only thing I can say is when you upgrade to this platform, don't waste your money on expensive MOBOs if all you do is 1 run GPU and a few storage drives. Gigabyte cheap out on SATA connectors so expect only 4 with most of the B650 range.
this is still a horrible price
Enlighten us as to what the price should be
i paid the same price when the 5600X was released ..lol although due to covid that price didnt drop as heavily for over a year or so .. it's just the premium you pay for getting things as they are released… no different to any other product.
Price has gone back up to $649. Still the cheapest in Aus right now. But I'm gonna HODL for $500.
I think we can thank Intel's much improved 13th gen CPU's for this price drop.
Motherboard prices still pretty expensive though.
I'm tossing up whether I should grab something like a 5900x to replace my 3600x, or just keep the 3600x for another year or 2.