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It's always been $750
and it’s significantly cheaper than competitors.
I thought it has always been $750 delivered for the last many months. What's the deal?
You are right. Been this same price even when I was looking last year.
Can it do 2 phase?
Stop stealing electricity from the neighbour
Lol serious question.. my house Actually only has 2 phase enabled
Thats rare, i've never seen a "two phase" powered home in my life, I don't even think its in the standard to wire a home up like that.
@[Deactivated]: No… there is 3 phases coming to the house but 1 phase is not connected. I have a few friends with similar setup…. maybe i should get electrician to quote how much it would cost to get the last phase installed
@supaderp: You can have 2 phase, where 1 phase powers your lights and PowerPoints and another for hot water or floor heating etc more common in older+bigger houses
That’s not two phase, that’s two single phases. Perhaps the naming should be all phases or single phases to make it clearer.
Yes, 2 phase configurations are supported by the Tesla wall charger allowing up to 14.7kW charge rate. See pages 8/9 of the manual (https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/support/charging/G…).
Are these capable of v2h?
No Tesla doesn't want to wear and tear their battery warranty to power your home when they can sell you a powerwall.
Sorry but this is not a deal. Standard price :/
No deal standard RRP.
the good thing with this is, you can add this charger as part of tesla charging network and open up for other ev’s for charging.
Not sure I understand..
How is this a good thing when others are charging their car at your expense?
Unless you're a small business using this to attract customers..
And yes, this is standard RRP.. When I checked with some sparkies, it seemed they can get the same charger at a slightly discounted price if you pay for supply and install.
Yeah.. why would you let others use your electricity.. lol
Tesla now has the ability for v3 charger owners to set a rate and charge people to charge their cars on them.
Hmm cheap business opportunity. Might have to do some more research.
I can get a lot of petrol for $750
With my old Golf GTI, $750 would be roughly 5,000km of fuel.
With electric i can get the same 5,000km for about $157 (on my home electricity rate not including solar).
Cool what EV and EVSE are you running?
Model 3
Just factor in the intial down payment and cost for the battery replacement. Then ICE wins.
Decent EV is like 60k vs decent ICE probably aroud 30k ?
I operate on a 5 Year TCO for vehicles. Id have got rid of the car long before the battery ever failed. Even so, LFP batteries are going to have a much longer life compared to NMCs and NCAs to the point i dont think they will trouble most people for the entire usable life of the vehicle. Technology has come a long way from those first Nissan Leafs with no active cooling on the battery packs, and it will continue to evolve to a point where battery deg wont even be a thought.
@11112007: Sure is continuing to evolve but based on your calculation, if you roughly drive 20k per year for ten years, your fuel saving $24k.
But you already paid more than $30k over a new Toyota plus cost on battery degradation (probably around $2k per year ) ?
Personally I think EV cars need to be at least 30% cheaper than they are now for real economical benefit.
@boomramada: Yeah it does sound like an EV right now is out of your price range so it's best to stick to something thats within your financial tolerance. But the day will come where EVs are $30kish and make sense for a lot more people. For people considering a $50k, $60k, $70k car, the 3 and 5 year TCO heavily favors an EV right now.
The one thing i will query is your fixation on battery degradation - most cars over the next 10 years will come with LFP packs. LFPs have double the cycle life compared to NCA and NMC with the only downside being energy density at this point in time (which is actually being resolved with newer generations of LFP technology).
There are Tesla owners who have done over 150,000km on their cars locally in Australia and have only seem 0.1-0.3kwh deg on their packs (out of a 60kwh pack). These are people that use their vehicles for ride share.
Even on the "older" NCA technology - there are Model 3s out there on 500,000km and the user has reported "20% range loss" and the only maintenance the user has done over 500k is "Topped up battery coolant when needed and replaced oil pump at 460,000 km cost $250.00 Canadian"
https://twitter.com/IovePianoBlack/status/155071377859715072…
Battery deg is not really something to worry about even with today's technology. At worse, ACL will probably cover you in 10 years time if your battery dies.
@11112007: Yeah even without the battery degradation come into the picture. Its still a just a feel good car for person who have $50k plus, nothing more. Perfect for city driving but not everyone got spare $$ for that. Does it really save the planet or save your wallet? debatable. Mean while all I see is China flooding the market with cheap cars.
And second question, would you buy a 10 year old Tesla? I can nearly see what's happening to model 3 when model Y around.
As you said, these going to continue to improve then what's going to happen to all these used cars? pile up in junk yard as expensive mistakes.
@boomramada: Like i have eluded to, if you're looking $50> the 3 and 5 year TCO when comparing ICE vs EV heavily favors EV. So the answer to that is fact right now.
I would also challenge your assumption that EVs are "perfect for city driving" - as proven by thousands of owners right now that live in regional areas have found owning an EV suitable for their lifestyle.
Does it save the planet - that one is certainly debatable. The carbon emissions from the extraction of the minerals through to production and shipping of the vehicle to the customer is certainly a "carbon intensive" progress. So from my perspective the real benefits of owning an EV are cost (as someone who buys vehicles in the $50-100k price range) - I think the counter to my argument is with EVs the emissions generated are centralised in non-population dense environments so "air pollution" is moved from suburbs all around the world to industrial areas which would actually provide a lot of positive human benefits.
Would I personally buy a 10 year old Tesla? The answer for me would be no. I don't buy used cars because i churn my vehicles from new every 5 years. But for the masses, you only have to look at maturing EV markets like California and Norway. You're starting to see 10 year old EV's come out of warranty, modification market picking up, more local service/technical knowledge so cars are being modifed/repaired/bespoked more easily. Once Australia hits that point of maturity (like with any emerging technology) there will be lots of comfort out there that buying a used EV will be just like buying a used car today. Today you have a problem with your spark plugs, pistons, fuel injector etc etc you get it replaced. Tomorrow, you have a problem with a battery pack - someone will be able to diagnose the individual cell and replace that (instead of a whole pack replacement) for a couple of hundred bucks (this is actually what Gruber Motors are doing in the US right now with Tesla - doing individual cell testing and replacing for fractions of the cost of a full battery pack).
"Junk yard as expensive mistakes" - i won't go into much detail but google search how used EV batteries are being used as power storage to supplement energy grids. EV batteries have a very long second life and they certainly won't be going into junk yards. Lithium and other rare earth minerals are very expensive and valuable commodities.
PS: And the Model Y is already out, don't see many Model 3s in junk yards ;)
@boomramada: "Does it really save the planet "
No, that's an ebike or escooter. E Cars are as bad or worse then ICE cars. Green washing is unfortunate.
This isn't really a deal, but sometimes hard to get.
Incase people arn't aware, the app 'Charge HQ' makes this (or any charger, including the portable) extremely 'smart' in terms of solar and scheduling. Don't waste your money on anything fancier. (Tesla only I believe at this stage)
Combined with a TESLA Powerwall and Charge HQ …
Nothing competes!!
Any idea on what the costs would be for Charge HQ after they finish the beta testing?
At this stage, the dev hasn't said anything yet. I don't think there is any plan to, he's just combining the data to make it work.
@onewayhollywood: This is in the FAQ
How much will Charge HQ cost?
We are still working on possible business models and pricing options. We are determined to make Charge HQ good value for money, both in terms of the benefits it provides and in comparison to other products that do similar things.
@Ford351: I've been using it for almost a year now, there has been no talk in the Facebook group regarding plans for monetisation.
@Ford351: There has been no issue with the app, since I also have a Powerwall 2. The polling rate is something like 5s, so the app is very responsive to any sudden change in weather conditions.
I am using a Gen 2 Tesla Destination charger.
I'm relatively new to EVs and am considering a Tesla Y, and am trying to work out the costs of making my house EV compatible. What are the basic installation requirements and electrician costs to charge my Tesla/other EVs at home (house not unit)? Thanks.
Isn't this standard pricing?
Thanks bought 10 for home use
sure making you charge the iPhone faster! :P
I bet you didn’t
For all those people saying there's no deal, it's RRP. I see plenty of deals for the PS5 posted at RRP.
This thing has similar supply issues and only comes into stock for a few days/weeks at a time.
No one has ever paid more than RRP for this but the ps5 was marked up twice the price. So it's not the same thing. I wouldn't relate the supply issues to be remotely the same.
The stock issues for the PS5 are close to over but. At a quick look JB, Amazon and Sonys eBay store all have stock. HN has orders open for start of November. Didn’t see any units at EB or Big W, but there’s a number of viable options right now for grabbing a PS5.
If I was a betting man, all stocks will be sold out by the end of the weekend. This deal might be too 10 worst deals posted based on score.
The stock issues for the PS5 are close to over but
But there's still a deal posted for a PS5 every other day!
No one has ever paid more than RRP for this
That's what you think! Look at all the idiots buying used Tesla's over RRP. Do you think they're batting an eyelid at paying a premium for a charger?
I believe this gen 3 charger has always been in stock, at least since June when I last checked. So supply issue is irrelevant.
I believe this gen 3 charger has always been in stock
Nope - has been going in an out stock since it's release. Maybe not as much demand as a PS5 though.
Can support single-phase at up to 7kw
Noob here… Does this mean it can charge 7kw per hour?
Yes. Its actually something like 7.4kW as it is single phase 240V at 32A (You will need special hardware for this).
kw/hour isn't a generally useful unit. 7kw is 7kw.
7kW hours per hour
This isnt ps5, won't go out of stock within next few hours.
Ozbagain = Oznoticeboards, and this is allowed for some reason.
Instead, Ozbargain should have another spin-off called OzInStock.
Not a deal. This has been available at this price since Muskey advised mobile connector wont be coming with the car. Hence why he dopped the price for this and the mobile connector.
Does this support USB-C
Don’t think it does
As an input or output?
Free installation then deal
Will this charge non tesla like atto 3? Just for future proof… If not better invest in 3rd party once so they are compatible with all evs
pretty sure they're all compatible
Yes, the Gen 3 charger is compatible with any EV with a Type 2 connector.
Have gen3 charger and a simple setting (on the wall charger app) enables charging for all EVs). I chose to install this for my non-Tesla EV due to its relatively low cost.
Those with EVs check out ChargeHQ (Mobile App) for smart charging with Solar systems!
Do you use it? thoughts?
Supported
ABB Terra AC
Delta AC Max
KEBA KeContact P30 x-series
MG ChargeHub
Ocular IQ
Schneider EVlink Smart Wallbox
Wallbox Pulsar Plus
RRP is not a deal!
Not even one dollar off, full RRP
Not a deal if you are in Vic due to ev tax 😜
You still save a lot compared to paying for petrol.
More if you own a Tesla because there is no annual servicing requirement.
Some EV's are excluded.
This is just a type 2 EVSE with Tesla branding and you need to install it with a licensed sparky, so, it's significantly more than $750.
It's not portable either.
Do yourself a favour, buy a used type 2 (for
Tesla, type 1 for some other EV's) EVSE for $50-250 and mount it neatly on the wall, when you go on holidays remove it from the wall and throw it in the boot/frunk.
Where are you going to buy a 3 phase capable EV charger for $250?
I said used, with that cleared up, gumtree, ebay etc. I bought a friend a 16 amp EVSE (3 phase) for $200 about 6 moths ago on gumtree. Someone had sold their vehicle and kept the EVSE, then sold it.
You can buy new 3 phase chargers for $400-500 and new single phase which is what most people need as overnight charging solutions for $250 new.
Still need it installed by a sparkie then.
@ATangk: No, it's portable, you plug it into a 3 phase or your existing 250v 10/15 amp outlet
Here's a couple links to new options.
3 phase; https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32955980386.html?gatewayAdapt=…
Single phase;
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005001998463188.html?spm=a2g0…
Again, buying a fixed charger is kinda silly, it costs extra to fit off by a licenced sparky and can't be brought on holidays or to the office etc.
@[Deactivated]: Thats the kinda charger that comes with the car… 2.4kW, not comparable to a 22kW charger.
@ATangk: I gave a link to an 11kw, 3 phase very quick charger that's portable, available now and one-third the price of the telsa that's apparently a bargain.
You're likely not going to be able to suck down 22kw because either the battery won't accept it when it's hot or near full etc. or you're 3 phase point, especially at home, can't transfer such a huge amount of pixies at that rate.
11kw is more than enough to charge even large packs fast enough.
If you're a VHA, you need DC, good luck digging a trench from the street to lay that kind of copper to your home.
@[Deactivated]: You talk as if everyone has a 32A socket just lying around. Theres hardly a difference between installing one of those and installing a wall charger. Sparkie needed for both.
@hopper: Apparently everyone should have one since only the Tesla wall charger needs a sparky to install it.
@[Deactivated]: Hi mate, I'm completely new to EVs and am considering a Tesla Y and possibly other EVs for the family in the future, and am trying to work out the costs of making my house EV compatible. Is the 3-phase portable charger all I need + sparkie installation? How much would the sparkie rough costs be? What if I need to charge 2-3 EVs cars at the same time at night in future? Cheers.
Where are you going to buy a 3 phase capable EV charger for $250?
Key word being used. Lots of single phase mobile connectors available for $250 on eBay/gumtree/fb
I give up, some people don't want to read or just want to argue.
Go buy a $750 Tesla charger and spend $750 on a sparky to charge, potentially, slightly faster so you're car is full at 4am instead of 7 am.
Hope I helped someone.
Single phase =/= 3 phase. 10Amp chargers =/= 32Amp chargers. All the 3 phase/32A stuff is non standard and would require a sparky anyways. Unless you live at a commercial site.
@ATangk: Don't understand the need for a 3 phase 32 amp outlet for any EV, unless you're a hire car/Uber driver doing extremely high kms.
I've lived with various EV's for almost a decade now charging mostly off a 10amp single phase overnight charger. That's 14-16 hours of charge everyday which has always been far more than necessary.
I'm not saying putting charge in faster isn't useful, but it's only useful for very high use drivers and if you aren't in that category you're hurting your battery by charging it faster than necessary.
The last ev I sold I had many people asking specifically for battery health information and luckily I always slow charged that vehicle so it was very healthy and sold quickly.
@[Deactivated]: I am only questioning how inconsistent your comments are. First talking about getting an equivalent system for $250, then changing it to a portable 11KW charger (which requires a sparky anyways for 3 phase), and now you’re back pedalling to a 240V 10amp slow charger.
These use cases might be good for you, but it is completely disingenuous to say that the Tesla charger is comparable to a 2.4KW charger.
If a business wanted to install this at work, your comments would be completely invalid and provide the wrong advice. Or for those with multiple vehicles at home, maybe providing charging for visiting family. Maybe you want to take advantage of off-peak electricity pricing?
In the end, sure, the 2.4kW charger might be sufficient for one EV car with remembering to charge every night, but there are a plethora of reasons to install a larger EV charging system.
@ATangk: No, I provided a $400 3 phase charger, that's half the cost of the Tesla charger on offer, both cost the same to install unless there's a 3 phase plug available, which there likely would be at a commercial site, then only the Tesla option requires install costs and can't be used elsewhere.
@[Deactivated]: Ok so aside from wording it as if your ‘$400’ charger is plug and play, going to any of your many destinations with a 3 phase plug, $300 USD + $70 usd shipping is almost $600, plus taxes. For grey import no local warranty. No it’s not worth it. And you’re getting half the product.
This is not Oz-StandardPrice. Where is the bargain?
Standard price and this is about the only EVSE on the market that doesn't support other cars without issue.
Yes yes it says it will do other cars but due to the non standard conforming method they attempt to do comms these have issues connecting to anything other than a Tesla.And there are plenty of EVSE at this price or lower.
You just set it in legacy mode and it will charge other cars easily. I've seen a Hyundai, Mazda, Volvo and Merc PHEV charge on these Tesla wall chargers.
Oh mate it’s more than half price. IIRC the $1.7k price for Zappi is only a part of it. Turnkey price will be even higher.
I wonder if this charger allows other EVs with type 2 input? Three phase support sounds cool.