We have a double story townhouse next to our house and their whole family has a shower without the blinds down. We see all there family naked every night.
We want it to stop because it’s awkward and we have children.
I have left them 2 letters in their letter box and they still don’t shut the blinds.
I can’t block out the view since they are a double story close to the fence.
What can I do? Can I speak to the council/police?
Perhaps start a live stream on YT
If you've tried speaking to them or writing letters like you claim, there's not much you can do.
Nudity is just nudity. What's wrong with it, exactly? It's not like they are (profanity) in front of you. Just don't look. If you have kids, educate them. There's nothing wrong with nudity.
call the council, sounds like the builder fked up
This must be fairly common now with so many units built right next to each other. I'm heard similar stories from friends who live in apartments.
Tried googling but sounds like there needs to be (1) willful intent and it needs to be (2) done in a public space or within view of a public space, for it to be considered indecent exposure.
https://www.acfl.com.au/obscene-exposure/
https://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/5747/indecent-exposure-l…
https://www.australiannationalcharactercheck.com.au/public-n…
To me it seems weird that they have not stopped even after you have left letters. Can you try having a frank chat with them?
If you have tried to reason with them but they continue to persist then maybe it could be argued that they are exposing themselves willfully… and I can understand the concern since you have kids.
Otherwise, the next logical step would be to charge for admission, box seats and popcorn. :P
So they shower upstairs and you are down stairs? Whats the double storey aspect of this? YIf they are on the ground floor you dont have a fence?
Wheres MS paint diagram
I think OP is on a slope and the neighbours are downhill of them
I think so too, unless it's a really big tall window
Unless OP is really tall - Slenderman?
I am not really sure how a house is designed where the shower enclosure isnt frosted or blocked out as well as being right next to the Window? Also how low does the window have to be to be able to see them naked as i thought you would only see the top of their body / head?
That's Disgusting. Where?
Photos or it never happened
Bikies.
We need to carefully analyze the evidence to better understand magnitude of the problem. So if you happen to have any photos do share with us and we will advise you accordingly
Have you received any letters back from your neighbour to provide any honest reviews and ratings yet?
Beat it, or flam it in, use a tissue afterwards…
Maybe the window tinter put the reflective side on the inside (in error)!
Where do you live? And do you have any other house for rent that is in the same row as yours with a similar view? Just gathering more data…
come on this is oz bargain. it's free
A nice comfy leather chair. A smoking jacket. Cool jazz and some single malt.
Take some time for yourself and really absorb the moment ! 🥃
Politely invite one or more over while the other is showering. Let them work it out.
pix or it didn't happen.
on that point, if the OP is so offended by God's birthday suits, perhaps they could take pix of that family from alfresco (assuming that means in open air), print it out, and slip it under their door with a note 'we really don't want to see this cos God Told Me you are dirty and wrong
so please have more showers while facing towards your neighbours turning this way and that and hold the full frontal pose long enough for me to get better photos'
Show us (brah)
No bra, that’s part of the problem!
Just shout at them everytime if you see them having shower. Oi! put the blinds down.
Or if they can't hear you, shoot a water pistol at the window
You seem to have the perfect place to host the OzBargain 16th Birthday IRL Mertup in your local.
Honestly sounds like a you problem. They are allowed to shower with the blinds open, their on their own property and not doing anything wrong.
If it's that much of a problem i would recommend putting something up on your side of the fence to obstruct the view. Such as, a hedge, lattice or some decorative privacy screen.
I think a home owner should be obliged to setup their own bathroom such that they have privacy and not exposing their genitalia to their neighbours. Public nudity is illegal, to some degree shouldn't the same be said for private encounters.
Public Nudity is illegal….however this isn't public nudity, this is in the privacy of their own house.
People are allowed to walk around their own house nude, they can even have the blinds and windows open as they do so, there's no laws or rules against that.
If you want to start making new rules or laws around what people are and are not allowed to do in their own home then that's going to cause more problems than it would solve.
The most realistic, affordable and easiest solution here is as I mentioned earlier, set up some sort of privacy screening in your side of the fence.
Ofcourse, alternatively they can speak to the neighbours….
You can't be naked in view of the street or a public space, and you can't be sexual within view of neighbours, but you can absolutely be nude anywhere not visible from the street in your own house
A bathroom should be setup to facilitate adequate privacy. A massive open window in your shower so you can wave to your neighbours while they are having their dinner is not very neighbourly. I don't think this is a big problem for 99.9% of people, who probably do not want to shower under their neighbours gaze, the elderly and voyeuristically inclined people maybe need incentive by a property code to install some tinted glass, or blinds. The third Reich wont be reinitiated if we request a home owner to install some privacy blinds for their bathroom.
@lew380: Well I guess that's part of the problem, their is a big difference between what is "neighbourly" and what is "legal".
In this case, sure their setup may not be neighbourly, but from the info we have it sounds legal.
Regarding property codes, there are properly codes to enforce window and privacy requirements. Refer to "BCA laws, privacy requirements for residential complying developments"
However when building a property you only need it to adhere to the building code that's active at the time of it being built. This is why you may still have really old buildings with big openable windows on a second floor.
I don't have enough info from the OP, but by the sounds of the problem it sounds like the property was built before these specific BCA laws were put in place….if not then it's probably a good time to start measuring and seeing if their up to code.
If it was built before the current BCA laws, then sorry to say, no leg to stand on, you can't change it unless the neighbours decides to add to or modify the house, then you can try to force them to get up to current day BCA Requirements.
If it was built after current BCA laws, then you need to be Very specific on your dimensions to see if it's up to code, but at the same time this is a double edged sword as they can do the same to yourself, especially your second level window that has access to all of their business.
Photo and/or video or it never happened
Stream it live, make money, make enough money to buy a new house
Please contact your council
They will proceed to fine you for not having frosted film on the second floor windowsill prevent this sort of perverted action.
If shes a good sort its a bonus!
Suburbia = hell on earth.
Real or created. Hell nonetheless.
Get a megaphone or speaker and play some fapping sounds in the direction of the window when it happens?
P.S they could be exhibitionists and be doing it on purpose
Take photos and post them around the neighbourhood.
Hmm it would help to have a little extra info OP. DM me some pics of the situation so I can help
Prude
Stop looking?
Since they want to put on a show invite some friends over and have a viewing party
Make sure to make noises so they know you're all looking1
Neighbour must be ugly looking. If it was hot young, attractive lady surely OP won't say nothing. And close blinds without questioning. And open blinds as you wish. However not sure this if this is considered peeking, as you done your best to tell them…
Jokes aside…
Send them some news of predators around the area saying if they don't close blinds would introduce risks for their children and themselves.
Tell them you are concerned. As you might not be the only one seeing them like this
That should work
Seems like a similar story as this one —> https://twitter.com/acurrentaffair9/status/82960200479207014…
You can go to current affairs :-)
Good onto him! Useless f0cking councils!
Had to deal with em on drainage requirements for a sub division - no common sense, or fundamental math or science, and this was a top-level engineer too.
We need a republic or the very least a national consensus on basic systems that work everywhere - not the your in my council your doing it my way mentality.
I had a nosey neighbour when I lived in Brisbane. Was constantly looking at our place, in our yard, generally being intrusive. So I figured he wanted to see everything we had and did, and maybe I should just make it easier for him.
So I stopped wearing clothes on my property, I’d casually fetch the mail in the nude, walk to the car nude and hop in, mow the lawn nude, literally was nude 100% of the time whilst I was anywhere on my property. Bedroom curtains opened at all times to ensure he could get a clear view etc.
It took less than 2 days for him to change his behaviour. I miss those days of true freedom. He never did look me in the eye again. Sigh
Too many cops go past my place to get the mail nude.
The reg 86 building rule applies only to habitable rooms so going to the council isnt going to help. Get a camera and point it in that direction, open an OF account, let the money roll in.
Not much can be done to force them to do anything if they aren’t doing it maliciously, maybe if there are minors involved. There is probably stipulation in the plans they are frosted but if they open the windows, it doesn’t matter.
If it was a common area of their house I think it is more of a gray area.
Maybe they're a family of nudists within their private domicile and you're infringing on their beliefs? How the turns have tabled.
Maybe they would appreciate if you knocked on their door naked as a show of good faith and to show that you respect their beliefs and that you're wanting a private discussion with your privates in a private domicile between private neighbours. Worst case scenario is that they think you're incredibly weird and shield themselves from you from now on, including closing their blind. It's a win win in my opinion.
put a mirror up
Injoy T and A
Or if you female, P and A
Include a penis enlargement pamphlet with your next letter, I think that may get some traction
If the guy next door had traction he wouldn't need an enlargement.
Advertise to perverts that for $500 you get to watch a whole family shower. After a few months you'll be able to afford a second house and you could move in there and rent the first out for peep shows. You'll be rich.
This is such a ridiculous post. Showering naked is normal, I do exactly the same thing in my townhouse. I never pull the blinds down, it's too much of a hassle. Don't look if you can't handle seeing a naked body. Have you never been to a public pool? Do you go and have a sook if you see people showing naked in front of you there?
People need to understand that there is no shame in being seen or seeing someone else naked. It's natural.
So why is public nudity illegal? Yes there’s nothing wrong with nudity, but the cultural norm in Australia is to wear clothes in most contexts and to do things that involve being naked in private. Absolutely it’s normal to shower naked. It’s also normal to have windows or blinds that don’t display everything. The swimming pool thing is starting to change too - lots of people don’t like the nudity in these areas, seems to be mainly older people who still do it.
People need to understand that there is no shame in being seen or seeing someone else naked. It's natural.
People that say are that are usually the kinds of people you don't want to see nude…
How old and where? I will come and visit you and bring gifts
Ffs, is this a troll post or do people actually have this much free time these days? Install a screen or mind your own business. Or actually do your job as a parent and talk to your kids. If the neighbours ignored your letters there's nothing you can do about it, unless you want to offer to pay for frosting their windows and see if that helps. You mentioned in another post you can actually see the pimples on your neighbours as they shower which makes you just seem obsessive. People love using their kids as excuses to police others, but people don't have to change the way they live their lives in their own homes because of someone else's shitty pullout game. God forbid you have to have an open conversation with your kids and feel uncomfortable for 5 minutes.
Found the neighbour!
Found the mormon
Public nudity is frowned upon. I would imagine that a house owner would have some obligation to setup their bathroom in a manner that facilitates privacy. You cant just Shower nude on your front lawn with a garden hose while waving to your neighbours kids as they get home from school, that would get your arrested, OP's situation isn't a whole lot different except that its viewable from private property, not sure how that would stand in court but they have a case imo.
but they have a case imo
Lol, had a discussion with a family member who works for their local council this morning. Something like this would get tossed out and given no attention. Even 90% of people here see it as a joke. There's a big difference between showering out in the open on your front lawn and in your own damn bathroom with some creep peeping through your (from what op says already tinted) window counting your pimples. It is no longer 'public' at that point.
The way OP is describing it, is that the window is rather large and in close proximity, and not what you want to see while sitting on your balcony. Most people here are imagining "the girl next door" showering, in reality its probably some family of obese elderly folk. Off putting while your trying to enjoy your backyard, not some "live porn" as 90% of people on the internet are imagining.
@lew380: I doubt they're showering all day. At the most it's probably collectively an hour a day, and from what op says, only at night, which is easily ignorable. Unless op has some form of ocd, body issues of their own or has never been in a locker room/pool shower. Their body types or attractiveness levels are irrelevant, these are just people living their lives. Op's 'concerns' are still odd as others have suggested.
Either way if they refuse to comply, there is very little he can do to force them or get external parties to force them to change things since it's in the confines of their own home and op is the one looking into their windows. There are plenty of houses with windows like these, especially older ones. The only thing he can do is install blockers on his end of the property.
If someone is in their own home showering and you're peeking in, it's not them that has the problem.
And just how many showers does this family take, and for how long? OP makes it sound like they're sitting in the shower all day.
I think the solution is clear, get the seediest looking male friend that you know. Get him to sit on your patio and watch the family and have him wolf whistle to get their attention while showering. If they don't fix their window then your dealing with a horrid family.
Start a OnlyFan channel called Peeping tom and reap the rewards
sell property for profit
Had to check where OP was located to make sure they weren't our neighbor.
So you know you can be seen from outside?
User name checks out.
It says "smart" not "bare"
I hear the new pixel 7 zoom feature is great if you want a closer look.
Sounds like they are sending signals. Time to meet the neighbours!
could get dangerous with a family of commandos living next door …
Yes the OP could report it to the council - who would need to come around and check for evidence - noting times and repeat occurrences
the data collection alone could take months - years even ! or at least until the most attractive ones move out …
Video or it didn't happen!
Lol just stop looking! If it’s on their second story you must be looking actively in that direction. Also nothing wrong with naked bodies. Fast growing Evergreens planted on your fence line if you really can’t stand it. Honestly though you need to get over it. In the scheme of things there are FAR worse you could get from neighbours eg. 24/7 barking dog, druggies, criminals, wood fires lit when you hand your washing out, psychos that stalk you…etc etc
You've given OP some good options there for retaliation.
house parties until 3am every Friday and Saturday night :(
communicate , you idiot
They hot? People pay extra for this.
I enjoyed seeing my neighbours in the nude growing up 🍆
Sound’s wonderful
Why complain about a free live show?
You know your kids gonna learn all about shag and porn soon right?
‘Rear Window’, eat your heart out!!
I have a related problem.
I live in a two story townhouse with my family, and every time any of us is showering, the pervy guy next door seems to be peering into our bathroom window from his house.
I've left a couple of notes in his letterbox asking him to stop, but it is still happening.
Any suggestions?
Put up some curtains, blind or some reflective mirror tint.
Watch out for your neighbour escalating things. There may be strange behaviours like parties, binoculars, cameras, wacky waving inflatable tube guys, your neighbour indecently exposing himself, giving you acne cream, or unsolicited skin care advice.
Call the police if necessary.
Watch out for your neighbour escalating things.
OMG! ……. like starting a new thread on OzB?
One of the more serious signs of escalation. Bikies may be on the way.
Lock your doors, hide your kids, hide your wife.
I see what you did there
OP, get one or two of those 6m inflatable dancing men with the flailing arms. Whenever next door nudes up, hit the blower and - Hey presto! - hidden from view.
Added benefit: it will scare the crap out of them (for a while, at least).
Get a life size cut out of Hey dad and put it against your window.
Pics or it didn't happen.
@ihfree: Just seems no purpose to it. The swat member has a vase and smashes it. lol must be fun!