Saw this deal direct from df64, shipped from overseas but a good grinder comparable to the niche, reviews say.
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DF64 Coffee Grinder V4 US$385 + US$80 Delivery (~A$717) @ DF64 Coffee Grinder
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You're planning on drinking the grinder?
I think he is going to regrind blend 43 using the df64…
Numbers alone say it should be 21 better!
Just a note on this grinder, depending on what you are planning on using it for (Espresso, pour over, cold brew, aeropress) you may want to upgrade the burrs for better performance. It also has some static issues which can cause the grounds to stick to surfaces (you can add a drop of water to the beans before grinding to deal with this). Over all it's a great grinder for entry prosumer level of coffee enjoyers.
I enjoy coffee… but there's no way i can justify dropping $730 on a grinder.
Completely understandable. This level of grinder is definitely a premium and I guess is aimed at hobbyist when it comes to coffee. For the average coffee drinker, it's overkill.
If it makes your coffee better and to put a price on it for 2 people, 2 * $1 * 365 = $730
I'm the only one in my family that drinks coffee… so, it would take 2 years to justify. Warranty only lasts 1.
I won’t tell you about the $6.5k Decent Espresso machine then?
Lol or the la marzocco gs3 for 10.1k
Any way this grinder is mid tier definitely not premium the weber eg 1(4.5k grinder) or lagom p100(3.5k) are top tier p64(2.3k) is premium tier and just below top tier.la marzocco gs3 for 10.1k
GS3 MP represent! Just set up an OzBargain alert for deals ;-)
this grinder is mid tier
Yes. And no.
Definitely mid-tier in terms of pricing for prosumer grinders. But for the primary functional benefit (single-dose with low/no grind retention) then I would argue that it (along with the Niche Zero) are at some theoretical top/premium level for performance.
@[Deactivated]: So sad I missed this this gs3. Finally got permission from the boss and it was over :’(
@nubix: Tip: Drop a line to a few commercial kitchen/shop fit-out suppliers and ask if they can keep you in mind if they hear of any wholesale specials from La Marzocco Australia.
When I bought mine a few years ago, I saved close to $900 on the best price I could negotiate from local coffee equipment places. It was just a matter of having some patience. Other upside was discounted shipping. With a shipped weight of over 40kg, the GS3 comes on a pallet and I paid less than $30 to have door-to-door delivery from Melbourne to Sydney with a sensitive freight carrier.
@[Deactivated]: When assessing a grinders performance build quality and finer details such as clogging should also be evaluated. I would argue niche punches above its weight and is one of the best conical burr grinders you can buy. However in the flat burr scene this tries to challenge the likes of p64 but has issues such as clogging up frequently.
Its definitely a good grinder but would not place it in same category as lagom etc.
Also I would much prefer the gs3 over the decent. Still not convinced a fully electrical machine will 1) survive as long as gs3, 2) be as easy as pulling the perfect shot as a gs3. Having too many menus and options sound great but think in reality would make it more complex@maverickjohn: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/727506#:~:text=also%20i%20….
I have concerns about longevity too compared to my ECM, but a lot of the parts likely to wear out can be bought elsewhere (pumps etc)
I would take away the excitement of never quite knowing how my coffee is going to come out!
@[Deactivated]: Cafes dont buy the best grinders to produce flavours. They buy a grinder that can churn coffees the fastest. Not saying they are bad but they are for different purposes. No cafe grinder will give you the quality of coffee a p100 or eg1 will give you
awaiting response from Breville fanboys
Hahaha funny enough I'm rocking a Breville express which uses the stock stand Breville grinder. There are complaints but it's nitpicking at this point.
I think you are going to be downvoted by niche fanboys instead.
I have a breville dual boiler and GET THE SHOP TO GRIND MY BEANS FOR ME LIKE A PLEB.
Occasionally I post this comparison video I made a while back demonstrating the difference (both time and grind quality) between the Breville SGP and a higher end grinder (Sette in this comparison). Loved the SGP when I had it, but an upgrade is well worth it if people can afford it. SGP is now my spice grinder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/n2ggkm/upgraded_b…
I'm a big Breville fanboy, started out with a secondhand Barista Express and recently upgraded to a Dual Boiler. The grinder in the Barista Express (which is apparently very similar to the stand-alone Breville Smart Grinder Pro) is fine for the vast majority of people and will make pretty delicious coffee. If you know how to use the machine well, I'd say only 20% - 30% of cafes will be able to make a better cup. If you have the counter space, I think its the best place for most people to start - and even end their home espresso journeys.
However if you're after more control and even better flavour in your coffee, an upgraded grinder does make a surprisingly noticeable difference - an even bigger difference than moving from the Barista Express to the Dual Boiler. A better grinder allows you to make coffee comparable to some of the very best cafes. If you invest in freshly roasted beans, it will allow you to bring out the full potential of the beans. That said, spending this much on grinders only makes sense if you want to dive deep into the hobby and chase the very best coffee at home, it isn't for everyone.
I thought long and hard about upgrading from the Barista Express, and realised the Dual Boiler was the absolute best bang for buck in terms of an upgrade - it didn't look or feel as nice as the more expensive machines, but had a feature set that could compete with machines that cost many times more. I've also used and enjoyed the Bambino Plus, which is probably my favourite machine for smaller kitchens. Pair either with a good grinder, learn to use the machines, and you can make stellar cups of coffee. The coffee machines Breville make offer great value for money, especially in Australia where we get them significantly cheaper than the rest of the world.
TLDR: You can very much be a Breville fanboy and a fancy grinder fanboy.
yeah, I don't downvote because it's out of my price range, and it seems to be a deal if you wanted one …… lots of people have hobbies, guess for some it's the pursuit of the perfect cup of coffee …..
I got a Dual Boiler from a guy who reconditions them in his garage with an upgraded portafilter thrown in to make it a bottomless instead of a pressurised. Dude charged me $500, talked with me for a good hour about the machine, showed me 3-4 other ones of the same model that were different price points due to age and shot counters, and told me to come back when I have a grinder and he'll help me dial it in. Honestly he's the greatest guy I've met all year, will absolutely talk your ear off, but KNOWS the machines and is willing to support them.
He had about 15-20 coffee machines in his garage, about 10-12 of them were Dual Boilers. If I ever need anything for one I'd go to him straight away.
Thanks for the tip and feedback You sound happy with yours. Does the DF64 V4 have a temperate probe?
My main grinder is a Niche Zero and I've been looking at the ZF64W as a potential upgrade to improve my workflow, but I'm wondering if the DF64 V4 will fit the bill.
Personally I wouldn't leave my beans in the hopper as they are not air tight, the coffee will degrade a lot faster. By not leaving coffee in the hopper, it defeats the purpose of grind by weight.
Only situation I can see is if they do large batches often. You still need to grind by weight so the zf64w would work wonders there. The niche has always had single dose in kind so work flow is annoying if you're planning on making multiple cups/batch
Understand the call-out. And you're absolutely right. Even with grinders that have had bean storage I've only ever loaded-up what I think I'll need for a brew session and grind-out/dump whatever is left over.
While most days the Niche Zero is perfect for my needs, when we have family/friend invasions I'd like a hopper to streamline things.
@[Deactivated]: That's pretty much what I'm planning on doing. Niche for most days since I primary do espressos but I might see if can fabricate or print a hopper for it so I can do cold brew. I like to switch between beans (different brands, decaf, brew styles) so having the zero/low retention and basically zero burr movement when dialed gives the Niche a big positive over the DF64.
Honestly, I don't have a DF64 but I've been flipping between it and the Niche for a while now. From what I've read though, it does not come with a temp probe.
Can I ask why you'd want to upgrade from the Niche to the DF64? Different profiles and use cases. The ZF64W is a much clearer upgrade while the other two would be considered a side transition.
It really depends on what coffee you drink. Flat Burr vs Conical Burr has many supporters either side, I'm sure you will notice the difference in taste. You might want to chat with your coffee supplier/roaster and maybe test the coffees out using their equipment.
@katsuya: 100% agree which is why I asked the question. Most don't switch from conical to flat unless they found beans they like and it turns out the beans work better with flats. Interested to see real world experiences and reasons why people choose specific equipment.
I don't have a DF64
Oh! Soz. You are so well-researched that I thought it was your daily driver!
Can I ask why you'd want to upgrade from the Niche to the DF64
It would sit alongside the Niche Zero (not outright replace it). When the hordes of in-laws land, the Niche slows down my workflow. And while I love the Niche, the WAF has not been as high as some of the previous grinders (eg the Sette 270Wi) due to the extra steps.
@[Deactivated]: The DF64 wouldn't do you much better in the situation where you need multiple batches as it's also a single dose. For big batches, you're probably better off with something like an Eureka Mignon.
https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/en/espresso-grinders/56-1…
https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/en/best-sellers/55-112530…The DF64 wouldn't do you much better in the situation where you need multiple batches
Thanks for the reality check! I saw the deal, started re-evaluating my ZF64W considerations and completely forgot that the DF64 would be like having a second Niche. DOH!
I'm "Mignon XL curious" ;-) I've just become a bit smitten with the extra sensors (temp and humidity) in the ZF64W.
@[Deactivated]: Humidity I get but does temp matter for bean grinders? Unless you're storing the grinder outside, the temp of the beans and grinder/burr set should be stable. Even after running it for a few minutes, it wouldn't affect the finish product that much right?
@CoreNex: They have been a couple of excellent studies done but the one I want to share, by Dr Monika Fekete, I only have as a magazine hardcopy. :-(
This one covers the key points, however.
Bottom line: When you see the extraction speed ramping up after a long brewing session there can be a temptation to change a variable like grind size or dosing. The culprit is more likely to be grinds coming from overheated burrs.
Edit: The BeanScene article is now freely available !
@[Deactivated]: How many consecutive shots would you need to pull to start seeing this though? I can't imagine pulling 2-3 shots consecutively would cause any discernable difference?
@The Hobo: You'd be talking heavy workload, for sure. Even the worst burrs would struggle to build residual heat after 2-3 doses.
If makes coffee I will buy it….
I cant see much difference between v4 and mine except the face plate. Can anyone elaborate the changes?
you will receive 10% off voucher code if you are willing to wait for few days after adding it to the cart and dont checkout.
$Deity bless dark patterns! Ace tip.
Pop ups will now go from John purchased DF64 to John added DF64 to cart
You forgot "Only 1 left! Don't miss out!"
I tried this but it didn't work for me. Did you use your code? If not, would you share it?
It could be because they are selling next 50 units for discounted price of $345.
NO REFUND & NO RETURN POLICY, in contravention of Australian Consumer Law.
Why would you risk it or support a wholesaler/retailer who operates this way?
Does that law affect overseas retailers? Thought it was only for domestic sellers
Not exactly. There's case law that has seen foreign companies with NO domestic presence here in Australia in breach of ACL compliance.
As for whether DF64 would survive legal action (in the unlikely event the ACCC pursued them) the fact that they recognise that Australians are in their target market for distribution would NOT be on their side.
CU did an excellent case study if you're interested in learning more.
Why do you think a non-Australian company operating overseas with no Australian presence needs to comply with our consumer law?
The ACL does technically have application to overseas companies supplying goods to Australia (and the Courts have confirmed this), but in practice you will struggle to get any remedies if the company doesn't want to help you out (and enforcement would likely cost more than the grinder).
I have a DF64 as my daily driver since last December (it was on a promo on Alibaba with the DLC burrs for around $450 USD).
Very happy with it, no clogging as mentioned above.
3d printed a few bits and pieces to indicate grind setting better and limit the mess.
Previously Breville Smart Grinder Pros.
Now I use the DF64 at home, and have a Kingrinder K4 to use every now and again as a comparison and for travelling (with either picopresso or the Dedica).I have a DF64 as my daily driver since last December
Nine months of hands-on usage. Good to get your feedback.
Kingrinder K4
Nice!
Picopresso
My road warrior espresso unit is a 13 year old MyPressi Twist. I think it's a real shame that company imploded. Only downside with the Twist is when I'm flying somewhere and need to buy N2O cartridges when I get to my destination. If the local kiddos have on a nangs-induced bender they can be hard to source 🤣
You have a Twist? Nice. Look after it - I hear they are not the most durable! (Collectors out there buying up multiples on ebay!)
Always wanted to pick one up, but too many other toys to buy ahead in the queue! :)
I'm actually Facebook friends with the person who made them (an Aussie, as I'm sure you're aware).
You have a Twist? Nice. Look after it.
Yep. I have a couple. I was an early adopter and, in the days before social media influencer bollocks, I shared my experiences on Twitter and it must have popped onto Steven's radar. He reached out to me to chat well-before the Twist had a local distributor.
I'm actually Facebook friends with the person who made them (an Aussie, as I'm sure you're aware).
OMG! No way.
Are you still on contact with Steven!? If so, please let him know that the V1 unit I have is still going strong but the V2 (which he kindly gifted me during a meet'n'greet at a pub in Redfern) has seen better days. The development story of the Twist inspires me to this day.
If he access to spare o-rings I'll take a bag full. ;-)
LOL at the airport and N2O challenges.
The MyPressi Twist looks great though, def a shame these things did not continue.OMG, that video was a double trip!
My favourite portable espresso machine and the espresso extraction was into a demitasse cup from my favourite espresso bar in NYC, Café Grumpy!
Seeing that folks who do coffee for a hobby consider a $700 grinder as 'entry level' makes me feel pretty good about the stuff I buy for skiing and cycling.
Ohh man, thinking about cycling/skiing/snowboarding gear hurts my wallet. I'm also a car enthusiast and the parts/kits make my eyes water when I find something I like
Yeah….cycling.
Our old neighbours published a cycling magazine and regularly had items delivered to them for review purposes. I remember popping in to see them one arvo as they were preparing some sort of "dream weekend warrior" photo shoot/article.
They'd spec'd-up a pushie with outrageously expensive parts (including $18K worth of wheels!). The complete bike was worth as much as our near-new car at the time (VW Golf GT Sport TSI)
Coffee and video game collecting are my two hobby-based vices. Each to their own.
There's some kind of cycling joke along the lines of "you're not a real cyclist unless your bike cost more than the car underneath the roof rack its sitting on"
There's probably something terrifyingly similar for video game collectors.
Everyone has a vice lol. Coffee i thought was a really good vice to have
Indeed. You just need to cherry-pick the "right" news reports:
This week "And in a report released today, researchers advise that 2-3 cups of coffee a day reduce the risk of [insert random ailments]"
Next week "And in a report released today, researchers warn that just 1-2 cups of coffee a day significantly increases the risk of [insert random ailments]"
Therefore why i'm always at around 2 cups of coffee. Never go 1, sometimes go 3.
Gosh, im very proud of my addiction. Coffee lovers unite!!!
I actually really miss the aroma festival in sydney.
That was my heaven on earthI actually really miss the aroma festival in sydney.
Me too. The early years, in particular, were amazing!
Has anyone bought from this site? It's even cheaper now at $345 but I can't seem to verify if it's a scam site or not
Legitimate site from the research I've done and stock is coming from Singapore.
It's cheaper then local stock, but if anything goes wrong it's going to be costly.
I'm waiting on the DF83 to go down in price.
This is pretty tempting. How costly are we talking? I feel like its either going to be DOA, which hopefully means you get a replacement and return shipping paid for (probably not), or you could get it repaired locally but have to fork out a little,w hich may eat up any savings here.
Given that other deals put it around 800, it may better to buy local but there's only one place really.
cheers, blend 43 felt a bit bitter for me, think this'll do the trick