Kia Stinger GT Vs Tesla Model 3

Hi guys,

I'm looking to upgrade my car from a Camry V6. What I'm looking for is a fast, fun to drive, somewhat reliable RWD family sedan and so far, the Stinger and Model 3 Base are in my shortlist. Both brand news are within the $65 - 70k range so I think it's a fair comparison. I was eyeing for the VW Arteon/Tiguan R-line as well but they are not RWD and I don't feel confidence with German reliability. I am aware that the Stinger and Tesla might not be as reliable as a Toyota though. I will be doing around 15,000 km a year, with casual road trips, and I am planning to keep this car for 5 years.

I have test driven the new Stinger GT; and coming from a current gen Camry, I am very impressed with its power, interiors and technology. It comes with all the bell and whistles and also comes with 7 years warranty which are appealing. Cons: it is a $70k Kia, a bit overpowered for every day use and consumes a lot of petrol. The car that I test drove show 13.5L on average. I also heard stories about the rattles and paint quality issues as well but most seem to be covered under warranty.

I haven't yet test driven the Model 3 but from the photos, the exterior/interior seem a bit boring. I'm not sure if the ride and comfort quality will be on par with the Stinger?
Pros: I can charge from home with solar, save money on petrol and that seems to be more future proofing. I can also upgrade to auto-pilot in the future.
Cons: extremely simple interior, no HUD, glass roof (may be no good for Aussie summer?), shorter warranty, not sure if it will be good for roadtrip and whether panel gap, paint quality, software issue have been rectified in the latest model?

So which one would you pick? Is there any other recommendation? I appreciate all your inputs and also hope to receive some reviews from people who have owned/driven these vehicles.

***Updates after test driving the Tesla:
It has pretty good handling, fairly quiet, quick and has a nice infotainment. No panel gaps, quality issues. However, I wasn't as impressed like I had been in the Stinger. Here are why:
. The steering wheel looks and feels cheap (similar to an old Yaris);
. The seats are pretty firm and uncomfortable, especially at the back. The leathers aren't nice to touch. I took 2 friends in the back seats and they didn't like the seating position nor the firmness nor the space.
. There is no HUD and I had to always take my eyes off the road to look at the tiny speed indicator on the screen.
. Average trunk size and unfortunately, no spare tyre.
. The brake technology takes sometimes to get used to but it makes the ride feel rough. I would turn it off if I bought this car.
. Almost everything has to be done through the screen, even normal tasks like opening the glove box, adjusting the aircon and turning on wiper.
. Accelaration is quick but it lacks the characteristics.
. Weird way to opening the door.
. Only 4 years/80k km warranty.

I think this car will eventually evolve and be a good Corolla/A to B car replacement in the future (when EV becomes more affordable). I would certainly consider may be a model Y when I have kids (and need to save money). At the moment, I don't think many people who owns Corolla/Hybrid cars will consider spending double the price for a Tesla. The ride, handling is good but imo, the build quality, the comfort aren't up there like the new Stinger.
After testing out the Model 3, my missus straight up told me to buy a Stinger. I have placed my deposit and am looking to receive the Stinger in Ceramic Grey by end of the year.

Again guys, thank you for all your input.

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Comments

  • Why RWD over AWD? I was going to suggest the Arteon even though you said you're unsure about its reliability.

    I think its the best looker of the lot and only 0.1 seconds slower to 100 than the Stinger.

    • For $70k, you can only get the the slower FWD 140TSI trim, which I think is a downgrade from the Camry in terms of power. I agree it's the best looking car though but can't justify spending extra $10k for the R-line while you can get a Stinger/Model 3 for way less.

      • +1

        Ouch, I grabbed an Arteon R-Line brand new for 58k in 2018. Didn't realise they're hitting 80k now.

        • Fark that is a bargain! Yeah I love the look of these cars but can't justify the cost :')

  • -2

    Pros: I can charge from home with solar

    How big is your solar vs how much you intending to drive? 6kw solar only does 24kwh a day (in Melbourne, 30kwh in Brisbane) and that is from 9-6pm depending on orientation. I'd suggest you'd be lucky to have it plugged in long enough for 100kms a day of driving.

    IF you are one that changes cars every 3 years then the magical Tesla spreadsheet says a $64k Tesla beats a $40k (Australia average car) ICE hands down.

    What I'm looking for is a fast, fun to drive, somewhat reliable RWD family sedan

    Family don't necessarily like fast or looking for fun. They look for practical. If you want your other half complaining about hard suspension and kids bouncing around an already cramped interior in a sports sedan.

    For $70k I'd suggest you might consider a medium to large SUV hybrid with 5 years of fixed servicing like your current brand.

    • +1

      I don't plan to have kids any time soon so SUV isn't needed. At the moment, the family sedan works fine in terms of practicality. I would seriously consider the RAV4 PHEV though but it doesn't come to Australia.

    • He said 15,000km/yr which is average 40km/day, easily get a good chunk of that from solar, if the car is at the solar when the sun is shining.

      • Although we might be the lucky country, the sun doesn't always shine. OP based in VIC. 24kwh a day on a 6kw system. Need to siphon off 8kwh to do 40kms a day. Plus kilometer based charge in VIC 2c per kilometre to VICROADs.

        Also problem with averages is you might be doing 10kms for 5 days of the week and the rest on the weekend. You don't really want to be sitting at home waiting for the car to charge. Check the Melbourne VIC (there is also a Melbourne in Florida where it is always humid and sunny) weather forecast going to be rain from today until next Monday. Good luck with solar charging.

        • Yep, 100% solar charging is difficult to achieve, but substantial percentages are not so hard. Big km days are likely to include some fast charging away from home. Averaging 40km/day in a car with 400km range gives a fair bit of flexibility waiting for sun though. When you consider that includes longer trips averages at home are less than 40km/day. We used to just charge every afternoon at home with a short range car. Only charge overnight if it is low and needing to do a long trip the next day.

          • @md333: OP needs to buy the right car for his circumstances.

            Correction: it is 2.5c per kilometre for EVs as road user charge by VICROADS and PHEVs are 2c per kilometer. OP shouldn't buy the RAV4 PHEV. In Victoria PHEVs are a false economy.

  • +2

    You may rationalise it logically, but it sounds like it’ll depend on your emotions.

    • +3

      70k Corolla sedan sized car is emotions. Never about rational logic. But I commend OP for spending the money. If we all bought Corollas the economy would be in recession.

  • +13

    Go and test drive the model 3. The instant torque, one pedal driving, low centre of gravity are very persuasive. Yes there are things about the interior that could be improved, but if you are the primary driver then these are secondary to the driving experience.

    And if you've already got solar and are prepared to wait then IMHO it's a no brainer to get the model 3 and power it freely from the sun.

    • +3

      Cheers. Test drive's coming up this week and I will update this post after.
      Kia dealer quoted me 8-10 months of waiting so I reckon the wait times of both vehicles are similar.

    • +2

      Even better hire one for a day from hertz. I found it took quite some time to get used to driving it, I don't feel like a test drive would do it justice.

      • this is honestly correct, a test drive might actually put you off. the regenerative braking takes time to get used to, you need a day or driving to really feel the love for the tesla.

        • +1

          …and unlike other manufacturers, they removed the option to adjust the regenerative braking during normal driving for cars built around mid-2020 onwards, I don't really get it. Maybe to force drivers to use full regen to increase their EPA range ratings? Other electric vehicles even allow you to control it using the paddles behind the steering wheel nowadays.

  • +6

    Where's the option to keep the Camry?

    • +2

      Overpriced boomer technology.

    • I want to experience fun cars before having kids and finally switching to an SUV. I can keep the Camry till I switch to the SUV later but that means I'll miss out the "fun" part.

      • +1

        Have a spare fun car.

        • +3

          +1. For $55k get a family/sensible car and something older for fun.
          Keep the spare $15k for your additional insurance / rego over that 5 year time period.
          Done.

          Personally I don't want to drive a "fun" car that I like to the shops so it can get scraped by the next ass hat who doesn't care about his surroundings.

      • +2

        Keep the Camry and rent a variety of 'fun' cars to your heart's content?

        you can drive a ton of fun cars and save money in the process.

      • +5

        finally switching to an SUV

        Why is an SUV an end goal?

        • +2

          valid question, an SUV isn't the default best choice for a small family. consider a wagon as well, for their often superior (yes, even when compared to an SUV) load-carrying ability. And lower maintenance costs, I gather.

          • +3

            @andresampras:

            an SUV isn't the default best choice for a small family

            The only reason people think this is because of mass marketing and paying 2 - 3x as much for "practicality" that they will never use. You can sell people anything when you convince them that this is what good parents use. Same marketing that applies to overpriced change tables, baby gear that you'll never use and $4,000 prams are used to sell SUVs.

            I haul my family around in a Kia Cerato just fine. Everyone is comfortable and the boot space is plenty. We can easily fit all of our luggage going to the airport.

            It's just like this guy at work I know who bought an SUV two months ago. Said it was great because he could fit a whole bunch of camping stuff in the back. Asked him how often he went camping. Apparently twice a year.

            For a while, I thought we were going down the right trend, with mainstream cars getting smaller and more efficient. The good days when a Corolla or i30 were the best selling cars. However, that trend has now completely bucked. Tight carparks are chock full of huge SUVs, visibility is terrible in them (I always see accidents waiting to happen at school drop-off / pick-up), not to mention the general inefficiency, environmental costs, and just the wasted space on roads. I could go on.

            • @p1 ama: liftbacks ftw!

              My octavia's huge access still surprises people. Have transported new washing machine (in box), hardwood desk (assembled, though this was a really tight squeeze), 2x single mattresses etc.

              Plus the lower load lip makes it that much easier to get stuff in and out.

          • @andresampras: Couldn't agree more. Mazda 6 wagon owner with two kids here. We've borrowed RAV4 or Outlander sized SUVs from family when on holiday and I'm always amazed how short they are behind the front seats. Both rear legroom and boot length are much shorter than our 6 which makes a big difference with two carseats and a pram in the back.

      • You can have both. I gun my m3 at the lights up to the speed limit when the kids aren't in the car!

        Also saved me from rear ending someone once when I was distracted by the kids.

        Don't think I'll find a safer car for the price I paid to be honest!

    • +1

      It is a V6. Drinks a bit.

      • So does my alcoholic Uncle, but I’m not going to replace him😉

        • +1

          you don't own your uncle.

          • @andresampras: Maybe cashless lives with said uncle, name might just check out.

  • +3

    If you're getting a sports car get a real one not a Kia Stinger…by far the most logical choice is the Tesla Model 3.

    • What real sport cars are you referring to?
      I'm thinking the Mazda Miata, 86/BRZ and Nissan 370z but they are no where as practical and can't carry anyone at the back.
      Yaris GR and Civic Type R are manuals only.

      • GR Corolla. Manual only.

      • +5

        manuals only

        Real sports car.

        • Because formula one cars are fake sports cars…

          • +1

            @jzdhgkd: If you think operating a formula one gearbox is any easier than a H shifter in a regular car, not sure what to say. Definitely don't qualify as automatics.

            • +1

              @nigel deborah: You know how some people are. Just because it is buttons and paddles it isn't manual. The auto up shift in F1 games are to make it easier on the general public. Not everyone can jump in an F1 car and drive it like an auto (or even semi auto where there is a fail safe to stop you blowing the engine) and get top 10 starting grid times. Random alphabet hasn't seen rally cars, super cars and other professional racing cars that have a stick shift.

              I bet you someone is going to pick a fight over this now.

  • K|/| Stinger GT all the way!

  • +6

    Come for the bargains…. stay for the same 10 questions and arguments… LOL

  • Golf R ;)

    • +8

      I personally know someone who owns a Golf R. He bought it brand new and gave a lot of compliments about its ride, handling and power…until months later when it broke down in the middle of the road. Hence, I said I wasn't confident with German cars.

      • +3

        My cousin got a brand new golf ten years ago. Sounds like it was a good car for ~ 5 years and now has cost her thousands upon thousands of dollars to maintain. She's had to replace the transmission once and it has since failed again!

        • European cars are only good if you drive Miss Daisy. Exception of a few that is built for thrashing like BMW M series.

      • Lol… Good one.

      • +7

        Lucky you don't personally know someone whose Camry died in the middle of the road. That would've messed with your head.

        • I do. In fact, I have secretly been hoping for it to happen more often.

          It's more rare than hens teeth.

          Indeed messing with my mind.

  • When you say power, what exactly are you going to do with that power? Are you actually going to take it to the track and drive it, or are you just going to stomp on the accelerator every now and then? If the latter, go hire a Lambo for a weekend and enjoy. Then go back to driving your Camry V6. The Camry V6 has plenty of power for suburban roads and is still plenty quick getting away from the lights.

    It's not a good time to be buying a new car. Overpriced due to supply shortages, in the middle of a transition from ICE to electric. If you can keep driving your Camry for a few years, you're either going to get a much better deal on an ICE car, or you'll get a much better product if you go with electric.

    • I am aware that the power of Stinger is overkill for Australian roads. However, if I am looking for an upgrade, I wouldn't want to go with the weaker engine. Also, we don't have many affordable fast non-luxury cars like the Stinger in Australia.
      Your advice is valid but I don't think the car prices will get any cheaper, given the current inflation rate.

      • +1

        I am aware that the power of Stinger is overkill for Australian roads. However, if I am looking for an upgrade, I wouldn't want to go with the weaker engine.

        Seems like you're already set on the Stinger and looking for confirmation. If so, just go out and buy one and enjoy rather than trying to convince yourself it's the right decision. I think you're already fully aware of what the tradeoffs are and already sold the idea to yourself.

      • A used IS350/GS350 F Sport. 2018-2020 prob will fall within price range.

        • +2

          I originally wanted an IS but it is not really an upgrade imo. Same engine but the space is much tighter. Also, no paranomic moon roof, no HUD which are available in the Camry.

          • @ptl93: GS is more of a Camry size.

            I do get annoyed by the alack of a decent moonroof.

    • When you say power, what exactly are you going to do with that power?

      Race everyone to the next set of red lights.

      Everyone races off the line. I drive a hybrid and try to coast on electric, everyone just waits for me at the next set of lights. If I get it right I don't have to stop and can keep rolling.

      • I have many pet peeves.

        One of the (admittedly less infuriating ones) is people who slooooooowly coast to a red light, when there are cars behind them.

        • +13

          HURRY UP SO I CAN COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AT THE LIGHTS AND WAIT THERE INSTEAD!!!

          • @YellowDieselGolf: well yeah exactly. red lights are an opportunity to take a quick rest.

            With a coaster in front of you, you in turn have to slow down and keep pace with them. don't know if they're going to change lanes or what exactly they're doing, so your brain is in extra-alert mode until they do come to a stop, which is energy wasted.

            A related issue is people who DO come to a full stop, waaaay too early. Then creep and stop. Then creep some more and stop etc.

            GAH I'm making my own blood boil here.

          • @YellowDieselGolf:

            HURRY UP SO I CAN COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AT THE LIGHTS AND WAIT THERE INSTEAD!!!

            To be fair, this is not as ridiculous of a position to take as you're making it out to seem.

            Slow rolling traffic is notorious for accidents. Back when I used to work in traffic accident research, I presented some work on how minimising slow rolling traffic reduces minor traffic accidents (usually someone rear-ending the person in front).

            The data bears this out and the logic is simple. If it takes 10s to go from a light to the next at 50 km/h and you coast at 20 km/h and stretch it out to more like 30s, then the window where an accident can happen is tripled.

            FWIW, coasting is also a pain in a manual, but I appreciate most people do not drive a manual and don't care about those who do.

            • -1

              @p1 ama: Thank you. People slowly coasting to stop, or gradually creeping forward every second, is a pain for those driving manual transmissions.

              • +3

                @soaringphoenix:

                driving manual transmissions

                I drive manual and don't have this issue. Would love to know what the issue it causes people.

                Personally, I haven't come across an example that extreme.

                • Creeping forward - you don't need to creep with them
                • Coasting to a stop - Safe gap + downshift/brake

                You're also meant to be a safe distance from the car behind you.

            • +1

              @p1 ama: In what way is it any more of a pain in a manual? No difference in my opinion.

        • +6

          Foot off the accelerator as soon as there's a red or orange light. What's the point of wasting petrol when you'll have to stop anyway?

          • @ihfree: different cars coast at different rates.

          • @ihfree:

            What's the point of wasting petrol when you'll have to stop anyway?

            They like paid (out of their own pocket) rest breaks.

            Or they just like seat belt rash from start stop.

            If people drove smoothly (and let people merge etc) then obviously the flow of traffic is a lot better instead of kangaroo hopping down the road. But you know people like to heavy accelerate for 3 secs, heavy break for 2 seconds and rest for 3 seconds. Sounds like the beat of some euro trash techno music.

            • -1

              @netjock: You're just beating a straw man, for whatever reason. Take an extreme caricature and ridicule it, why don't you.

              Engine braking is a thing, particularly in diesel cars (and larger vehicles, I would assume). Which means crawling to a stop while keeping a safe distance from the Coasting Camry in front actually requires low throttle input, for an extended period. It's not fun. Also not great in dual-clutch transmissions.

              Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not an issue for anyone else.

              • +1

                @andresampras:

                You're just beating a straw man

                Lets see

                Engine braking is a thing, particularly in diesel cars (and larger vehicles, I would assume)

                Taking a small portion of the fleet and trying to justify it? Why isn't there a sign in front of heavy trucks "stop coasting"

                Working in logistics (heavy hauling) I can assure you fuel is on the top of our minds. Preference flow of traffic rather than stopping and no engine / braking where possible.

                How many people have gone into the shop and told: Oh you must have driven behind coasting people a lot because I can tell that killed your transmission.

                You're clutching at straws.

                • @netjock: I honestly don't know if you have a point. I wasn't talking about trucks, and I never once mentioned fuel. and not sure why you're talking about shops and killed transmissions - I said the experience is not great "in" DCT, not 'for'.

                  Taking a small portion of the fleet and trying to justify it?

                  take a look in the mirror. if you take a look at the start of this thread, I was talking about my experience in my cars, as a driver. You're talking about the logistics company's bottom line.

                  At the end of the day, I can see reasons for coasting. I just wanted to point out that while it may be good for you in your hybrid, the people behind you may sometimes find it frustrating.

                  Have a great day.

                  • +1

                    @andresampras: Hand in your ozbargain license. If you accelerate up to a red light and then brake heavily you are just wasting fuel and wearing out your brakes prematurely.

                    • +1

                      @zathras: Maybe read it all again, or work on your comprehension skills - you’ve totally misunderstood what I said. At no point did I condone accelerating up to lights.

  • +5

    I test drove a Kia Stinger GT and Hyundai I30 Sedan N Premium (8-Speed DCT) the same day, I ended up ordering the Hyundai. Although you don't get the luxury feel of the GT, the I30 Sedan N is $15,000 less with more practicality feel and an exhaust you don't want to miss out. The i30 Sedan N just felt more ozbargained than the GT.

    • They're different cars IMHO. The Stinger GT has more in common with something like an Audi S5 than it does the i30N. It's a refined product that feels premium. The i30N is almost proudly janky, similar to the WRX STI or Evo of old.

      • +3

        M… No… i30N? Not even close to an STi of Evo
        Don't insult the two rally legends.

    • i30 sedan N referred to as elantra N in the states, has a beautiful exhaust note and I think in carwow review the guy said it handles better than the new M3. and the second guy said yep i agree

  • model 3 performance? or rwd one?

  • +3

    Model 3 would smoke the Stinger GT in a drag race. No debate.

    Tesla M3 Pros:

    • Never pay for fuel again
    • Insane acceleration
    • MANY bells and whistles in interior (particularly the UI; Like playing video games using the steering wheel)
    • Semi-Automatic Self Driving (no need to steer on highways)
    • Continual Software Updates
    • Supercharger Network

    KIA Stinger Pros:
    - Awesome Petrol Engine Sound
    - Looks better

    tl;dr

    If I were you, I'd get the Tesla Model 3. Petrol is too expensive to buy a guzzler nowadays. Also the Electric Motor makes it sportier than 90% of all other cars anyway.

    • +3

      Actually, that's not true.

      From January 2022, the entry level M3 uses a different battery makeup that saw the 0-100 time extend out to 6.1 seconds.

      The Stinger GT knocks it out of the park with a 4.9 second sprint to 100.

      Only if you splash out the extra 15k or so for the long range model does the Tesla outcompete the Stinger on acceleration.

      When you are describing "insane" acceleration, you are describing the more expensive dual motor variants, not the entry level that OP is considering. Unfortunately, neither are eligible for state EV subsidies either, unlike the RWD. That said, I agree that the dual motor variants do indeed offer insane performance, irrespective of price point. A LR or Performance M3 would destroy nearly any car on the road in straight line acceleration, least of all the Stinger.

      • -1

        Well in that case the entry level Tesla Model 3 is cheaper than Kia and would require literally no maintenance and ofcourse no fuel. Yes the Kia is faster to 100 but you have to canning the engine to get anywhere near that figure whereas the Tesla would be effortlessly quick and perhaps quicker in real life on real roads. The resale value also favours Tesla.

        All that said though, it also depends on how long is the OP willing to wait. I know people who have ordered their Tesla in Dec 2021 and still no signs of delivery. If you can't buy it because your cant wait, its a moot discussion anyway.

    • are people seriously playing video games while driving?

    • Looks better? Lol.

      • The Model 3 is about as bland and uninspiring in design as I could possibly imagine (but at least it's not the X). After having spent some time in CA, the fact they're so common is also working against it; they just feel like they're a background extra in a movie or game, and I guess that will be the case here eventually as well.

        Stinger has nice road presence and is uncommon as a bonus.

        • We have both expressed our subjective opinions. :)

  • +4

    Both pretty good cars.

    Would go with Stinger personally only because you won't be able to buy cars like that in 10-15 years whereas all the cars will be electric at some point in the future.

    • +2

      And in 10 to 15 years, we'll have to pay a premium to own petrol cars, on top of whatever the petrol costs will be

      • we'll have to pay a premium to own petrol cars

        Not really.

        Car value is $0, so comprehensive insurance would be risk of you crashing so insurance would be cheaper. Petrol would probably be worth close to nothing. Government will lose interest in taxing it, rather trying to scrap money out of EV driver like VIC road user tax.

      • what premium?

  • +5

    Chalk and cheese..

    I'm a petrol head, love my cars and have a few collected vintage cars in my time. But even I can see the writing is on the wall for ICE's and anyone buying a petrol car this year is shooting themselves in the foot by investing in a dying technology imo

    If you can afford it, I'd go for the tesla over the stinger. And I really like the stinger. They are fantastic cars.

  • Fun to drive? Go for the stinger, the Tesla model 3 is the most boring car ever… Interior = steering wheel and ipad. Sure its fast to accelerate but so is the stinger, at least you can hear the engine rev.

    • Model 3 has cool space ship sounds when you go fast.

    • +3

      As someone who owns a 2021 Model 3 LR I can confirm it lacks the personality of my previous 90s Camaro, but jfc that acceleration NEVER gets old. It was the first new car I’ve ever bought in my life (now in my 40s), and (after 15 months) I don’t regret it for one second.

    • I find the Model 3 fun to drive, it makes a cool electric motor sound under hard acceleration and handles remarkably well in sports mode.
      Whilst my previous Golf R 7.5 was probably faster 0-100, this was the most boring car I have ever owned. Whilst the Mk 5 GTI (manual though) rates as one of my favourites.

  • +1

    I've always been a car person, had many RWD manual cars (the correct formula), I could never go back from the Tesla.

    The total cost of ownership will be much less. Had the Tesla for 2.5 years now, one service for around $200 (mostly to replace cabin air filter which I could have done myself if I wasn't so lazy these days). The service technician came to my house for that price too..
    It is far from boring - I love taking it for a spirited drive on the weekends. Not quite the same driver engagement as I got out of my old BMW 1 series coupe or Audi S3, but still great. And much more comfortable.
    And much better in peak hour - 1 footed driving in traffic is a game changer (most days on my daily commute I don't even touch the brake pedal - exceptions for last minute red lights or idiots cutting me off).

    Driven from Melbourne to Adelaide, Barossa Valley, Mildura, Wilsons Prom.. Never had a worry.

    If I were super rich then I would have the Tesla and an Aston Martin or something that sounds nice as a second car, but I'm not…

  • Lexus RC F

  • +2

    Yeh I look forward to your comments after a test drive. I will be surprised if it doesn't win you over.

    I recently hired a Model 3 for a few days. Clocked up nearly 1000kms. Will be a miracle if I don't get any speeding fines…

    Even though my 4cyl turbo VW has a similar 0-100 time, jumping back into it felt SO slow.

    EV will be my next car for sure.

    • +1

      Even though my 4cyl turbo VW has a similar 0-100 time, jumping back into it felt SO slow.

      Eh, driving an EV makes you notice the turbo lag and the downshift lag even more.

  • Get an MG EV.

    • OK, let me Build Your Dreams then.

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