Based on recent deals, the 5800X and 5900X are becoming better value and the 5600X steadily becoming overpriced
5800X requires a separate cooler
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Bought one for 360 last week, nor expecting much lower than that soon.
Where from?
Does ozb have a remindmebot? Ive been waiting for 5600X to hit $300 too! Also any thoughts on the msi b550 a pro? That's what I'm considering. Thx
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this was super helpful when i was picking a board https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lh6rHph31fiuijaZA0cf…
reddit post i got it from : https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/joo0s8/ryzen_5000…
PC case gear have it at this price too
Amazon are usually price matching someone if there's just randomly an item on sale. PCCG always charge for postage though, so this will be a better deal
Amazon also have easy returns. PCCG is a nightmare when it comes to returns or faulty parts.
Will be $15,000 after PCCG shipping costs
And centre com
https://www.centrecom.com.au/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-470ghz-8-core…
With free postage too, so you don't have to support Bezos to get the best deal
The 5800x runs VERY hot running at 60 degrees idle and 90 degrees under load. Even with an AIO. The 5600x and 5900x run cooler for some odd reason
Mine is 50/55c idle and 65/70 under heavy load. Running a thermal take AIO.
I think I got a dud as well, running nzxt aio 240mm top mount.. On idle 50-55c, while gaming often hovers around 70-75c, and worst while rendering video at 80-85c (I did put a thermal limit at 85c on the motherboard just to be safe). Still regretting my decision on 5800x, after seeing friends 5600x and 5900x don't have the same thermal characteristic.. Sad panda
80-85c under load is intended temperature you don't need to cap it, it will manage its own thermals and clocks and slow down cores and voltage to regulate itself just let it do it's thing
A 240mm rad on a 5800x is not a great idea.
Repaste and pbo volt curve
It's a strange proc, some people get low temps. Had one at launch whilst waiting for 5900X stock and it was idling mid 40s but under full load would hit high 80s on some cores, with a DRP4 cooler.
Got my 5900X and low 40s idle but low 70s under full load.
Might wana check your thermal paste there buddy mine idles at 35-40c with noctua NH-D15
Not sure how you guys are applying thermal paste but these days rather than the small dot method i always use a plastic card to spread a thin flat layer over the whole heat spreader, takes a bit more paste for sure but always get reliable results
Mine is also about that range using an NZXT X63 in a small form factor case (NR200).
Given the point temperatures at play for these chiplet designs, your advice is… spot on… ha haaaaaaaaa
I'm not sure why people go for AIO coolers apart from they look fancy.
A good fan cooler beats most AIOs for 90% of applications
clearance, ram cooling, cooling
I have an AIO in my NR200… Seemed to be a better and cheaper option to a noctua even though it's a 5600X… That's my use case, mine boosts to 4.75ghz which I'm happy with.
@scud70: Nice. I was considering the NR200 for my 5600x build but ended up going slightly bigger with the NR400.
I went the extreme cheap option and an aliexpress cooler. Goes about 10-15 deg cooler than the stock cooler. Noise is pretty quiet too.
@Caped Baldy: Oh nice… I'm not a fan of Ali express few bad experiences… Lol AIO in NR200 works well and noise is quite low which I like…. Then I got that itx 3060 in tech fast deal and screwed up the noise bit 😂
@scud70: Depending on how brave you are, deshrouding is a thing. Basically take off the cover including fans and slap on your own fans. I've seen a few videos where it is quieter and cooler but they don't look as clean.
Plus they don't end up full of gunk and need replacing after 18 months.
I agree with this.
I had very high temp (60-70) sometimes on idle with the small dot method. Took the cooler out and repaste with this spreading method and now it's stable at 40-50.
I used a big dot rather than small dot method and it’s idle at 41 on my 360mm AIO. My first attempt with the small dot method after ‘squishing’ the paste it didn’t reach all 4 edges so I applied quite a bit more after that. So there’s nothing wrong with the dot method, just suspect people aren’t applying enough.
Mines at 35-40c idle but i have modified the PBO for better temps.
Mine ran 35c idle 60C load.
You must have crap aio or bad thermal paste or bad mount.
It also depends on what kind of load.
Try running prime85 torture test - you'll see higher.
I was overclocking as well.
The problem is the stock voltages on various motherboards and it varies so wildly between manufacturers. I know mine had stock voltage of 1.45v which was INSANE. Overclocked to 4700 all core I was running 1.35v.
Everyday usage I was running 4350mhz at 1.12v
Nhd15 and 5800x here. Never goes over 75 while very quiet. Sounds like you got a dud, or dud aio or a hot room.
The 5800X die is a single CCD that consumes the same power as 2 CCDs in the 5900X and that's why it runs hotter.
In a test with the 5600X against the 5800X with both processors reporting 4450MHz all-core turbo frequency it was found that the 5800X pulls 14.55W per core, while the 5600X does 10.20W per core. In short the 5800X pulls more power and thus more heat is generated.
AMD calls this by design and it's true. Higher temps are normal so you'll need more adequate cooling than others.
This CPU needs to be tuned , it runs 15 degrees cooler after I applied -0.1V offset to CPU voltage in the BIOS, performace is also improved because no thermal throttle anymore.
All cores boosted to 4.75G during the Cinebench test.
High idle temps would concern me. I've got mine in the NZXT H1 which is known as a bit of a hot box (even when it's not on fire) and it idles at around 38, but that was after I slapped on a couple of exhaust fans. It was at least 10 degrees hotter without the mod so good airflow is definitely a must
Mine runs at 30-35 degrees idle seems like you have an issue.
I have no such hot running issues and I run mine in a NZXT H1 mini itx case.
edit: currently get around 45c idle, 75-80c stressed (currently sitting at 75.6)
5900X uses a 2 CCX design while the 5800X and 5600X have one, the extra cores on the 5800X makes it the hottest chip of the bunch next to the 5950X.
Recommend under-volting to 4.4Ghz at 1.125v (if you can) which is what I run mine at, 44c idle temps with 60-70c gaming loads with a 240mm AIO.
Otherwise, you can PBO boost and undervolt using the curve method, this should result in the same levels of stock performance however with 6c lower temps on average.
Set PPT 125 / TDC 80 and EDC 130 for optimal results.
I have a 5600 on a custom loop that runs hotter than a 5900 with a 240mm aio. If I swap them around it changes nothing, 5600 still hotter. We have another 5600 that doesn’t get as hot. I think some are just hotter than others
The 5800x concentrates more energy in a smaller area, so even though the 5900x has a higher TDP, so the hotspot temps are usually higher on the 5800x. The 5900x will be hotter though if the cooling solution is insufficient.
But if the 5800x is that hot though and you have a decent cooling solution, I'd invest in some better thermal paste. You really need thermal paste with good conductivity for that specific CPU.
I don't think mine's gone over 70 degC under heavy load, Noctua dual tower in a small case.
It's not an odd reason.
5800x packs 8 cores in one chiplet that occupies a very small area under the heat spreader (if memory serves me right, top left corner of the chip)
5600x has 6 cores in the same configuration hence less heat in that small area.
5900x has 2 six core chiplets, therefore the heat is generated over a greater area and it's easier to be radiated through the heat sink of your preferred cooler (either air or liquid)
So the problem of the 5800x is the fact that a lot of heat is generated over a very small area (due to the 7nm manufacturing process of the AMD chiplets) and there is not a lot of contact between the CPU heat spreader and the heat sink of your cooler to quickly take that heat away from the CPU.
It's not a design flaw, nor affecting the longevity of the CPU. Again if memory serves me right, the 5800x can run happily up to 95 degrees Celsius.
HTH
You must have a shitty AIO, mine idles at 40c with air cooling, not even a great one (ninja 5)
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Anyone recommend a decent board to go with this? Particularly for gaming? Dont need bleeding edge however, but grunt is always nice to have.
Im using a MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk. Great board would recommend, cant say the same for the shitty software (Dragon Centre) they use but its completely optional!
Ooh thanks.
you don't need X570 unless you need the additional PCI lanes. B550 should do the job.
MSI B550 Unify is my personal pick $269 off amazon or the B550 A-Pro for something a tad cheaper but still does the job ($139).
Using this board, yeah always worked great works exactly as expected. Also everyone says never install dragon center you don't need it at all and it's basically impossible to uninstall, also dragon center might literally break your computer. I've never used it.
Have no issues here, use MSI Centre to update mobo drivers + control RGB on my Graphics Card, AIO & RAM.
@alz: Lucky, i was always skeptical of using software to update mobo drivers but i went what the hell it cant be as bad as it was 10 years ago. Hell was i wrong, it ended up bricking my mobo and i had to reflash bios to get it working again. 2/10 would not recommend
Dragon Center use to consolidate every module (light controller, lan control ect). The new dragon center just installs the platform and you can pick and choose which modules to install. Much cleaner imo. But granted, I don't use it.
What form factor are you looking at?
Im overly not fussed. I have had an mini itx but that can get finicky. The next upgrade im looking at, I want to install water cooling again so more space but I think a micro ATX would be fine.
MSI mag b550m mortar, great cooling & featureset for a matx board, ~200$
Whats your budget? MSI X570 Tomahawk punches well above its weight for the price if you want an X series chipset
B550 boards are also worth a look as they normally have all the features you could want for gaming (unlike the segmentation of Intel chipsets)
B450 boards might also be good if you're on a tight budget - they also support 5000 series Ryzen CPUs and Smart Access Memory for AMD GPUs, but at PCIE 3, not PCIE4 - might be a big difference depending on your GPU
The following ATX boards would be suitable for a 5800X;
MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wifi, Gaming Carbon Wifi, Tomahawk, B550-A Pro, Gaming Plus,
Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master, Aorus Pro, Vision D, Aorus Elite
ASRock B550 Taichi, Extreme 4,
Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming, B550-E Gaming,
the following mATX boards would be suitable for a 5800X;
MSI B550M Mortar (mATX board), B550M Bazooka (mATX board)
ASRock B550M Steel Legend (mATX board)
Asus TUF Gaming B550M-Plus (mATX board)
There may be other boards that are suitable (check LTT forums Motherboard tier list), but the above ones performed well in Hardware Unboxed testing
It looks like they start around $159
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#f=2,7&c=14…
Awesome thanks for this!
MSI B550-A Pro or B550 Tomahawk. Great VRMs, good features, highly competitive prices.
Lately the Tomahawk has been the better value buy.
the Tomahawk has the edge here if thinking about ram overclocking thanks to it's 6 layer PCB, if not then A-Pro does the job
If you've got a 4XX AM4 board like a B450 it'll work with a BIOS update, but any 5XX with the features you want (M.2 slots and USB-C case connectors) will do fine.
Did mine on Monday for 3600 to 5800x on deal from last week. Firmware flash before new chip goes in, no dramas.
Particularly for gaming
Why not go Intel instead?
I have previously had Intel processers but wanted to switch over to AMD as the bang for buck has been quite good lately. I do note some of the newer Intel processers have kicked it up a gear but really aiming to get a decent system (mainboard, cpu, ram (16gb) and HD(500gb) for under $1k). Then when GPU's hopefully come down a bit, I can see what another $1k will buy me.
EDIT: Just looked at the specs on an 12600K and damn that is a sweet price point and I could pick it up from MSY down the road.
Just pull up the AM4 VRM tier list from the Linus Tech Tips forums.
B550 aorus pro ax. Does everything bleeding edge boards do, and is frequently on sale for <$200.
Clearing inventory for the release of the 5800X3D maybe?
There has been a ~$20-30 reduction across the range of 5000 series processors
Right, probably more of a response to Alder Lake than concern about cannibalizing their own products
That won't be out for a few months.
target price
5600x $299
5800x $429
5900x $599
Agreed. I think that would happen when 12th gen Intel motherboard price drops.
I suspect they'll go lower on clearance, but that's 6-8 months away.
For example with the 5900X, they're relying on Intel board prices to be competitive with the i7-12700F, their direct competitor. That goes for just over $500.
The 12600KF can be had for A$429 and is faster than the 5800X. Something around A$400 is the more meaningful target price for the 5800X.
Higher priced Intel motherboards still a factor? Haven't followed the Alder Lake release too closely given I jumped in at B550
B660 prices and features are still a bit dicey, yes, but I'd be recommending the i7-12700 (not F or K) these days, if it were being sold in AU.
when that goes sub $450, that's going to be a great CPU, just need a DDR5 and PCIE 5 board to go with it.
Yes, still a factor. Plenty of stock of CPU's. Basically none of affordable motherboards.
B660 boards are too expensive for the feature set. H670 boards really rare at the moment. Z690 budget boards sold out or increased in pricing since launch.
The next AMD price refresh is March 27 so any further deals on current pricing are specific to retailers, platforms and/or BNPL merchants eating an extra discount
I paid $450 for a 12600k, those AMD CPU are still quite expensive! At least the motherboard is cheap
Exactly. The 12600K is the better CPU. It's faster and cheaper. And there are now cheap motherboards for LGA 1700 as well.
I would prefer the 5800x for 499 than this i5. The 12700 non k for 550 is the deal!
Why?
Recommendations please, running 2700x with a 5700xt on x470, 27in 1440p gaming
Worth upgrading cpu if keeping gpu and go the 5800x or 5600x? Gaming performance seems the same?
Nah, don't waste your money. Wait for the Ryzen 7000 release and do the lot then e.g. mobo, RAM
Lol I kept a 10yo CPU (2600k) up till this year. You're good.
Looks like you need 5600x + 6600 XT + 32" Xiaomi Ultrawide
I went from 3600 to 5600x on Monday, chip was $360. Not going to do much for peak fps but good for 1% lows at the like at 3440x1440.
5800X3D is out in ~Aprilish, so we can expect this drop is in response. If you've got a AM4 board with a 2XXX or 3XXX CPU you're basically spoiled for choice whether to wait for 3D or grab a 5800X now. If you're builidng a new computer though it might wait to save for 7000 in October-December.
Maybe, I heard it wasn't a long term part, not expecting it to rock their existing pricing, if they changed it would be more to match new Intel opposition cutting in.
Ships in 1-2 months…
Waiting for 5600x at $299 which is a direct competitor of i5 12400.