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Capacity: 8TB
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EDIT - oops was cheaper before at $160.65
Seagate Barracuda 8TB ST8000DM004 3.5" Hard Drive $178.90 Delivered @ Harris Technology eBay
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I know but real world speed test might tell a different story.
like a toyota camry
She's slow compared to my 8TB WD Elements but saying that I purely use these drives for put away storage, so I'm always after price then speed, don't forget one can set Windows10 to shut down (stop spinning) drives that are not in use, certainly extends the life of the drive
You'd be paying over $300 for a 8TB Elements external drive so this is a good price for this drive, one can put this in a caddy for external USB use, lowest I've seen about $160 on past Ozbargain deals
How do you set these to shut down when not in use in Win 11?
BTW I bought 3 of these: two for backup storage and foolishly one for active storage… but it's beyond incredibly slow - even just to open a rtf?
I'm wondering if it's broken (5400rpm withstanding)
How long should it take to open a very tiny rtf with bugger all in it if you've just booted your pc and you have your sys drive on something else?
What can I do to test my drives and what numbers should I be getting for comparison?
BTW - I got mine at Computer Alliance for pretty much the same price, $180 ish with free delivery (use the 10% off code CA10)
https://www.computeralliance.com.au/8tb-seagate-3.5-5400rpm-…Do not buy these as active storage unless you are immensely patient!
Even as backup storage - I tried dumping a copy of an image of my 1.5TB Gaming Drive and I had to leave it over night when I went to bed!
You've been warned.
Cheers
Mine died after exactly 4yrs.
Was yours a WD Elements? Did you have it powered on continously for 4 years? I've got drives stored in wardrobe over 10 years old still functioning, I reckon they've been used a handful of times, moving parts nothing will last forever 👍
No. It was a Barracuda and used in my PC. It wasn't powered continuously for 4 yrs, but I'd say it was powered on for about 12hrs a day for 4yrs. Not too impressive.
@mun4: powering a drive down and up is the most stressful thing you can do to a hard drive short of dropping it on cement. 4 years at 12hrs a day is actually impressive.
@mung0: So your saying leaving it spinning all the time is better?
I rarely go into my backup storage drives (in my PC) dare I say once a week or even months wouldn't that be better? then spinning all day?, plus my other drives are in my wardrobes, stored months without use
I agree 4 years at 12 hours was impressive but most of my storage drives have lasted decades I guess depends how one uses the drives or what access they need to those drives over a day, weeks, months or years
@Italkdigital: It seems to be a divisive topic, I can't find a study backing it up though. The truenas forum recommends leaving even powersave off of idle drives, just have them spin 24/7.
I have 3 8tb smr seagate archive drives going on 4 years now that I only power on every month or two. They are all backups of each other so I don't worry too much if one dies but I feel like it won't be long now…
I believe the average is 3-5 years so that seems normal.
The number of people in this thread who seem to think all 5400rpm drives have the same speed and reliability says something about our society today…
Too many people who talk with no knowledge. If speed was dependent on rpm alone, everyone would just buy the cheapest drive for the rpm they're searching for (in this case 5400rpm).
It's laughable, yet a little sad.
I agree. On their side tho, the information being asked for could easily have been found with a quick search online instead of asking on OzBargain :)
Slow. Slower than any hard drive I've ever owned. Yes, even faster than a laptop 5400RPM HDD. Good for cold backups, but that's about it.
It's not, it's Seagate
Should have clarified. Not equal in performance etc
Moving parts no spinning drive will last forever 😝
Is Harris Technology related to Harris Scarfe?
idk but it's not related to harris norman
I'd rather buy it for 10c more from Computer Alliance personally: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/174421333577
Why? have bought quite a few items from HT both Amazon and Ebay, have not had any issues yet.
I’d buy it from computer alliance purely because they didn’t stuff me around with Warranty issues. Unlike umart/msy. Not sure how good Harris tech is.
make sense…I probably can only find out when I need to lodge a warrnty with HT.
@[Deactivated]: Why the neggs?
It's true, even HT Managing Director came on here to try and fix the issue.
Never had a problem with purchases from CA or HT.
Agreed. Have bought items from HT myself though nothing wrong with CA also.
That response seems completely reasonable lol.
@MHLoppy: Lying to customers by saying a coupon advertised all over eBay was only meant for a single customer, specifically naming & blaming Ozbargain in their cancellation email, deliberately choosing an incorrect cancellation reason (problem with buyer's address) for thousands of orders so their store rating wouldn't take a hit?
What would you consider a bad response if that's reasonable to you?
Lying to customers by saying a coupon advertised all over eBay was only meant for a single customer
I see no evidence that they lied (but if you have some then of course I'll be happy to re-evaluate). Ebay itself will notify you of available coupons when you're on a product page - if the coupon was accidentally publicly available (instead of privately available to a single customer) then you might be getting an automatic prompt from ebay to use it with no additional action by HT themselves.
specifically naming & blaming Ozbargain
I don't agree with your negative interpretation of this. They said "the $15 coupon was made public and was shared across Ozbargain" which seems to be factually correct and not derogatory or negative. They didn't say "those idiots at OzBargain tried to mug us".
so their store rating wouldn't take a hit
This also doesn't seem unfair to me, because as mentioned, it doesn't appear that they intentionally mislead customers. They also followed up with a coupon which they were in no way obligated to do.
Unless you have evidence that they were in fact intentionally misleading people and/or intentionally advertising a coupon code with no intention of honouring it, you seem to be interpreting their actions in a very negative and unfair way.
@MHLoppy: The coupon was one of those storewide banners, that appear above the listing rather than underneath the price value with a show me how button
Good find, Ordered!
Harris technology used to be owned by Wesfarmers and the higher end tech affiliation of Officeworks I believe. Long time ago though.
this is a good PC drive - but its not suitable for NAS drives.
Agreed if it's only one drive. It's going into my NAS as storage for large media files along with an SSD for boot up and a 2TB WD Red CMR for frequent file writes.
It's not suitable for NAS, not just because of poor random read/write speeds, but because of the poor random read/write speeds and latency it potentially crashes RAID rebuilds (or at the very least significantly extends the time taken leaving your array vulnerable to further drive losses).
Sorry maybe I shouldn't use the word NAS. I am not using it in a RAID array. It's really there for data storage for sharing across our household members. Apologies to the first poster.
@x d: No you are correct. This can be a network attached storage drive without being in raid
That is what I use it for. Off-line cold storage that I boot up and plug in as required
Nope, this drive will fit for archiving purpose only. SMR drives have tracks overlapped to save cents trading for larger capacity. Draw yourself a picture and you will find in worst case, rewrite a single track can go as far as whole drive rewrite…
Which is what is being asked of it (non RAID) in my NAS.
This really has not much to do with RAID. It really depends on how full the drive would be. If the drive is relatively empty, you would most likely feel nothing as the drive would be able to find an empty block to write to without affecting existing data. But if its almost full, then a write would most likely cause another write which again cause another write just like avalanching. I would never buy something behave like that.
@[Deactivated]: This has 8 TB. How close to that do you have to be before you notice performance issues? I am planning to use it as data storage of large media files for sharing across a home network and would most likely be write once and left alone for a long time.
So for that purpose why spend more on a CMR?
@x d: If I don't delete stuffs, 8TB drive would be full in a couple of months… Everyone might have different tolerance and thus I go even further with CMR NAS drives or enterprise drives as I really don't ever want to get in the sh*tty situation of saving a couple of bucks upfront and then recovering data later AGAIN. Haven't touched any desktop level drives for over 5 years now. YMMV.
@[Deactivated]: Sounds like this drive won't suit your use case. Files that I will potentially delete will be going into the other WD Red CMR drive.
Best price I can find for a CMR 8TB after a quick scan is $289 for a Seagate 8TB ironwolf. That's a bit more than a couple of bucks (not that I can't afford it, just don't see it as being necessary as what's going into this drive will also have backups).
@x d: I've got 2 of the 4TB Barracuda's on software RAID1 NTFS, speed takes at noticeable hit at 85-90% full depending on fragmentation percentage.
Not sure if I'm interpreting your comment correctly, but SMR drives have bands to prevent this situation
https://www.seagate.com/au/en/tech-insights/breaking-areal-d….
As for the drive itself, as a backup/archive drive it gives good value for money, and it also has the benefit of being a very quiet drive, with quiet seeks and in my case, the drive suffers from no vibration (unlike other drives I've had over the years).
My recommendation to friends after buying a new drive is to fully format the entire drive to detect any issues (such as surface damage) during transport and then run the drive in nursery mode for 1-2 months after which point you can deploy it for proper use.
Not too sure about that. I just put this unit into my Synology for storing my media files. It is performing much better than my expectations after hearing about SMR.
Agree, I have 8 of these in a omv server as software raid array and they work fine.
From what I've read you can have issues if you mix SMR and normal drives, so maybe if you have them in a raid array you should make sure they're all SMR.
Thanks OP
Any cheap 10GB?
didnt find 10GB but here is a cheap 16Gb at 9$
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/122102456087?hash=item1c6ddf9f17…Haha, I meant 10TB
Still waiting for mine to be delivered from the $36 deal i-tech deal. It should be any day now.
Good drive for the price, bought one recently and suits my use case of mass media storage that isn't accessed/moved often, just wanted good value and this was great for exactly that.
If you don't mind paying 10 more and you have Amazon Prime. Amazon has better after sale services.
Seagate Barracuda 8TB Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch Sata 6 Gb/s 5400 RPM 256MB Cache for Computer Desktop PC – Frustration Free Packaging (ST8000DM004) https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07H289S7C/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_nav…worse deal
Did you even read? I said if you don't mind paying another 10$ or so you can get it from Amazon. Amazon has better returns policy.. if something happens to the hard drive in the future. You can rely on Amazon to replace it.
Nah not really. It will come properly packaged for delivery from Amazon AU in a delivery box vs the bare OEM drive coming shoved inside a plastic delivery satchel with no packaging protection at all. That is worth the extra $10.
That's how i recently had a 3.5" hard drive delivered to me from Harris Technology just last month. The idiots just shoved the bare OEM drive inside of a plastic delivery satchel and with nothing whatsoever to protect it. It didn't even have any bubble wrap over it. That is dodgy as all hell. Believe me i will pay an extra $10 to know that the hard drive is going to be coming packaged in a delivery box.
It's playing Russian roulette when the bare OEM hard drive is delivered inside of a plastic delivery bag satchel with zero packaging protection. This is what you're getting when buying a hard drive from this mob.
Amazon are no better
I bought it a couple of weeks ago and got a dud drive, the return was really easy to do on amazon as it was all self serve. I got a refund not long after dropping it off at the parcelpoint location. Definitely worth the extra cost in my situation.
Ended up getting the Toshiba N300 though, i haven't had much luck with Seagate's lately.
Any deals on NAS suitable 8TB drives?
I recently purchased an OEM WD 3.5" HDD from these guys through their ebay store. It came delivered as a bare drive which was shoved only in a plastic delivery satchel with no protection at all. Just nothing at all for protection period. Luckily by a miracle that the drive wasn't damaged. I wanted it delivered well packaged in a delivery box. But noooo they skimped out totally and thought it was ok just to shove the bare hard drive in a plastic satchel only and call it a day. It could have been destroyed during shipping. I'm not buying a hard drive from this seller again.
So expect these to probably come as a OEM bare drive in the drives anti static bag and shoved into a plastic delivery satchel only for delivery. A high chance of damage during shipping. You just don't want that sort of thing.
That's a good warning so I checked. Ebay has 33 feedback on this seller for this very item. All are positive and quite a few said that the items delivered quickly and well packaged so quite reassuring I guess.
Not in my experience it wasn't.
I'm using the Seagate archive drives in my Nas and they have been working well for cold storage and random reads. Writes are pretty poor but speed is not what I need. I had to rebuild twice now removing WD reds swapping it with archive drives. Just under 24hrs to rebuild. Now have 4x8tb archive drives in a synology 412. Does the job with Plex also. Unless you need fast read/writes these are fine for cold storage and for the price it's a great buy.
Received my drive today. There was some delay with Australia Post as it was supposed to be last week.
It was packaged adequately with the bare drive wrapped around bubble wrap, inside an bubble walled envelop, and then inside a larger paper box with paper packing around the said envelop. Satisfactory for me and will do full format checking for errors.
BTW the Computer Alliance deal with the code which I listed above at the same price is not expired - still current
How’s this drive in terms of speed and reliability?