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Breville The Oracle Touch BES990 $3399.15 Delivered (Bonus $400 Gift Pack via Redemption) @ MYER

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Breville The Oracle Touch BES990 $3399.15 Delivered (Bonus $400 Gift Pack via Redemption) @ MYER
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mhc on 27/08/2021 - 16:49 myer.com.au (814 clicks)
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Bonus Offer: Purchases of the Oracle Touch (BES990), the Oracle (BES980), or the Dynamic Duo (BEP920) will receive Gift Pack 1 valued at $400 via supplier redemption 1/08/21-12/09/21.
* The Promotion commences at 9:00AM (AEST) on Sunday, 1 August 2021, and closes at 11:59PM (AEST) on Sunday, 12 September 2021, Purchase and retain the original Proof of Purchase in respect of that Purchase; visit www.promotions.breville.com.au by Sunday, 26 September 2021, For further details see https://breville.com.au/pages/privacy-policy

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    • StonedWizard on 28/08/2021 - 00:11

      @Wizard - You’re making us all look bad!

  • belesci on 27/08/2021 - 16:52
    +4

    Still over priced :(

  • aibargain on 27/08/2021 - 16:56
    +1

    Basically the cost of two take away coffees per day for 1 year
    Then add beans and cleaning etc

    • Jimothy Wongingtons on 27/08/2021 - 17:15
      +4

      3399 $1 7-11 coffee

    • TEER3X on 27/08/2021 - 17:15
      +1

      7 days a week? That's a bit much.

      Payoff would be much longer for the average person, I would guess.

    • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 17:55
      +2

      At about 2 coffees a day, You need to factor in about 3-4 litres of milk for the week if you drink flat whites/lattes etc then 1kg of coffee beans roughly per month. If you buy good beans it could be up to $50 a month, with good cafe quality milk maybe $40 or $50 a month? So that pay off is a little longer. With the Oracle you also need to factor in water filters and cleaning product. It isn't much but if you are funny about water filters that is an extra $60-$80 a year.

      Still, I bought an Oracle almost a year ago now and I don't regret it one bit as our household does anywhere between 2-4 coffees a day. I probably make a coffee that is 85-90% on par that i'd get at a coffee place with the same beans.

      • blueboy03 on 27/08/2021 - 20:16

        This. Exactly this, but we upgraded from an Aeropress. No regrets!

        • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 22:05
          +1

          I had used a nanopress and hand grinder for 2.5 years before my upgrade so I think I earned it!

      • TEER3X on 28/08/2021 - 20:45

        I think coffee consumption would increase greatly too, I know mine would if I owned one.

        • serpserpserp on 28/08/2021 - 21:00

          Mine did but then my body rejected having more than two strong coffees a day.

  • peternow on 27/08/2021 - 16:57

    My ~2016 BES920 has seen better days and has not had any maintenance - it needs o'ring / other things done and is well outside of warranty unfortunately.

    Anyone upgrade from a BES920/Smart Grinder to this machine able to share their thoughts?

    • SickDmith on 27/08/2021 - 17:30
      +1

      I don't have Oracle.
      I have BES920.
      My thoughts - it won't last longer than BES920 - most likely these machines are similar internally.

    • Craigslists on 27/08/2021 - 17:41
      +1

      The best thing about the Oracle touch is simplicity.
      I have had the BES920/ Smart Grinder setup, I feel the milk can be better on the BES920 when done correctly however for most people looking to make a coffee before work etc the BES990 is the go.

      • SickDmith on 27/08/2021 - 23:01
        +1

        Years ago Breville had bonus 1 day barista course with every BES920 purchase. The instructor there did show "hands-free" milk steaming with BES920. We keep doing it since then. I have a thermometer to monitor the temperature. But I am doing other things while milk is steaming.
        So I am getting great milk results with minimal effort.
        Did search on youtube - it is something like this
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieb1Axg7gCc

        My external grinder is higher quality (Eureka Specialita) compared to Breville one in Oracle or Smart Grinder.
        Also I often use smaller basket (7g VST) with dedicated (smaller) tamper.

        So for me Oracle is 2x price of my setup with lower quality results, additional features I am not going to use, and the same average machine reliability.
        BES920 is great. I am sure BES990 is better. But not 3x better. :)

        • xylarr on 28/08/2021 - 09:42
          +2

          I have a BES900 (the predecessor to the BES920). I've given it a major service once about 5 years ago, probably needs another. It really has been great, and during COVID it's doing 3-4 coffees a day.
          I worry what I will do when it finally gives up the ghost, but it has been almost 10 years now.
          I love the machine.

    • pformag on 27/08/2021 - 17:45

      I have a BES980. Love it.

      • wfdTamar on 27/08/2021 - 18:42
        +2

        Me too, but I'd be happy with the 920 & Smartgrinder. You're better to service that I reckon. Certainly crazy to spend $3000+ on the 990.

        • xylarr on 28/08/2021 - 09:43

          Do a service. It won't necessarily be cheap, but it will be less than a new machine and definitely less than the 990.
          I gave mine a major service a little while back. From memory it cost around $400. It was new pumps and seals.

    • repeat on 27/08/2021 - 21:27
      +2

      I just had my BES920 repaired, it was less than $200 and needed o-rings, a thermal probe and a triac board.
      Beforehand, I was considering upgrading but only for another dual boiler.
      I would not go for the oracle as there are just more things to go wrong - robotic tamping, integrated grinder, and I like having the grinder separate.
      Stuck in my ways using the BES920 - I will buy another one in a heartbeat, but do not need to automate the process I enjoy each morning with the oracle.
      My machine has clocked up over 6750 coffees for me (according to the counter) and is back on deck again after two weeks at the repairer.

      • SickDmith on 27/08/2021 - 23:06
        +1

        Exactly my reasoning for BES920.

  • Youbidmetoit on 27/08/2021 - 17:09
    +2

    They should rename it to the Midas Touch at that price!

  • repeat on 27/08/2021 - 17:38

    Unable to see how this is worth $1100 more than the non-touchscreen oracle.
    I wish I could find some more BES920 stock…

    • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 18:02

      The only thing you need the touch screen for is if you want to save a shot's "settings" to your liking that you can recall when you turn the machine on.

      But to be honest, without the touch screen takes about 10 seconds max to set it up on the oracle as you like it if you have different settings for people in your household. To be honest, the only setting you'd really change is the milk settings because you'd want to be using the two shot portafilter anyway for best performance.

  • Lingnoi on 27/08/2021 - 18:09

    Hey babe , u wanna come over ?
    Nah
    But I got the breville oracle touch BES990 STAINLESS STEEL L
    Ok

  • eggaz on 27/08/2021 - 18:19

    If you're a good negotiator you'll get this for as low as $2950 plus the bonus via redemption.

    My justification - we worked out that buying 2 coffees and the occasional mcmuffin or hash brown for the kids averaged out to over $300 (but let's be conservative and work with $300) per month at McDonalds, and the coffee was hit and miss.

    $300 x 12 = $3,600 per year
    $3,600 - $2950 = $650 remaining which would easily pay for coffee beans and milk for a year (plus you get the current bonus 3 months of beans). It'll put money back in our pockets after 10 months, and the coffee will be delicious.

  • nformone on 27/08/2021 - 18:19
    +4

    I mean no disrespect to the OP. If he or she thinks this is a good deal that's cool. That said, no self respecting coffee snob buys a $3400 semi automatic with a built in grinder. You can buy some seriously good Italian coffee machines in this price range that will last decades.

    I personally don't get OzB's fascination with Breville Coffee makers.

    If you want a great coffee maker at a bargain find a Rancillio Silvia and pair it with a Rocky grinder. You can often find this combo used for ~500 bucks and with good beans you will be making coffee far superior to your local favorite barista.

    • tezza on 27/08/2021 - 20:38

      Agree, however some of the sub $1000 Breville's are good for the average punter. The Silvia's / Gaggias to someone starting can be daunting as it takes practice to get a decent shot out of it. The Breville's with the single wall basket make life easier for someone starting out.

      • shaidas on 27/08/2021 - 21:38
        +1

        Yep .Brevilles are throwaway machines but they have PID, auto pre infusion ,9 bar extraction and auto milk frother in the Bambino plus.. to make a similar brew out of a silvia the user has to know what he/she is doing … but if they know that then they will never buy a Breville.. and they will most likely enjoy a better brew but not because of their choice of machine because of their knowledge.. . Italian machines may be built to last with superior components but ease of use and a better than pod coffee is 70% of market if not more..hence the fascination with Breville for everyone .. though having said that I dont understand fhe OZB hardon for Breville whats wrong with Sunbeam at a cheaper price..in case of Barista max..OZB's most popular model not Bambino plus. I must add I do not know who in their right mind would buy this unit at this price,, this is totally ridiculous not only because of the cost but also because there are so many commercial fully automated machines available at this range second hand.. I am guessing whoever wants this unit likes convenience not quality .. this unit matches neither Edit.. I do not own the machine so obviously I have no idea however I do research coffee machines so this is my humble opinion..could be very wrong.

        • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 22:23

          I do not know who in their right mind would buy this unit at this price,, this is totally ridiculous not only because of the cost but also because there are so many commercial fully automated machines available at this range second hand

          It use to be cheaper but pandemic and it has risen even from prices of last year. Plus who wants to risk buying a trashed second hand full auto? The full auto's make some pretty ordinary coffees to be honest. The standard Oracle is a higher end semi auto that requires little work but gets you great coffee. Go watch the reviews from all the coffee boys on YouTube, they all reluctantly agree and if you are a milk coffee person, it is a great option.

      • nformone on 27/08/2021 - 23:22

        My main object with Breville coffee machines is they are made by Breville. I've owned a lot of Breville gear and the average life has been around 2.5 years. I love the look of the gear but I don't trust it.

        My old Sylvia and Rocky just keep rocking 8 years after I bought them (and I bought them used) If you look at the way the Sylvia is built it's pretty impressive.

        • xylarr on 28/08/2021 - 09:47

          My Breville BES900 (immediate predecessor to the BES920, they added de-scaling to the 920) has been going strong for 10 years. I've had one major service during that time to replace pumps and seals.

          But I'm just a sample of one.

    • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 22:18
      +4

      find a Rancillio Silvia and pair it with a Rocky grinder. You can often find this combo used for ~500 bucks

      I'm so sick of this very old line of argument. Firstly, you find me a Silvia for $500 that doesn't miss a beat and I'll buy it right now as a back up. Also I hate the temp surfing and waiting between pouring a shot and steaming the milk, and if you want to make coffees for say 4 people, it takes ages, lets be honest, even if you have spare portfilters (which no one does). We haven't even got the the point of finding a Rocky grinder that is consistent and not trashed.

      To get both of those items second hand that still actually have some life to them I think you'd be paying about $800 minimum.

      People buy the Oracle because they are super convenient. Hardly any mess, can get great coffee out of it and can get manual enough if you need to. Are they over priced? I think so, but it is that stop gap between springing for a mini linea and going full manual or you can spend half the money and get something that'll churn you out a great coffee (maybe not the perfect coffee, but with a bit of work it can come very close) and is easy to manage. Even someone who is not inclined to learn a full manual (like members of my household) can still have access to great coffee.

      • nformone on 27/08/2021 - 23:26

        Sorry, I didn't know that was an old argument. I see them regularly for sale in that range.

        Your point about making 4 coffee's is valid. I typically make 1 or 2 so it isn't an issue. If I was regularly making four I would watch Gumtree for an Italian dual boiler unit.

        Breville quality is IMO shocking. I struggle with the idea of spending more than $200 on anything from them.

        • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 23:36

          I see them regularly for sale in that range.

          What you see are a bunch of 5 to 7 year old machines that are thrashed and very likely in need of repairs. If you want to get down and dirty at least they are quite fixable at a reasonable price if not a major component. Not sure the Oracle is as good outside of its warranty.

          Breville quality is IMO shocking.

          I haven't had a problem with the other breville stuff in the past. But it was cheap and cheerful so I wasn't expecting a lot from them. I'd be disappointed if I bought a new machine off of them and it didn't last 5-10 years following the maintenance schedule to the letter. However I don't have any other complex appliance in my household I use 2 to 4 times every day, so maybe I should lower my expectations. These things aren't a toaster or a kettle after all.

          • shaidas on 28/08/2021 - 00:06

            @serpserpserp: Well I have a fridge running 24 x 7 no maintenance ..has a PID which maintains 2 different zones for temps, filtered water, compressor to boot which is gas filled .. so how complex is this appliance ? I actually use my fridge more than 2 to 4 times a day. No way is this price justifiable. Well if it is for you then good for you .. you maybe rich..I dont know that and you cannot say that :-D

            • serpserpserp on 28/08/2021 - 07:41

              @shaidas: Yeah and people say the same stuff about fridges with water dispensers and how they are garbage and break within a few years (the dispenser bits) and why would anyone post near $2,000 for those, what a rip off. Well you are paying a premium for convenience, just like the breville. Comparing a Silvia to an oracle is like comparing your most solid standard fridge with no frills to a Samsung internet fridge with the look through glass and water/ice dispenser etc. You don't need any of those features, but you are paying for convenience and "features".

      • Maz78 on 28/08/2021 - 09:29

        Rocky grinder recommendation is a bit early 2000's and it isn't that great.

        I've had my Silvia - Daily use for 14 years! Hasn't missed a beat.
        If anything you'd get yourself a Sette. (Which I want to get as my existing Ceado grinder is overkill).

        And yeah, Covid has jacked up prices of these things but as for this deal -> Even with the discount it's a lot of fluff and way over priced for a coffee machine with a lcd screen.

        I'd be buying this tomorrow if I had the cash:
        https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/rocket-giotto-cro…

        • serpserpserp on 28/08/2021 - 10:30

          I'd be buying this tomorrow if I had the cash

          That looks like a lot of fun with all the knobs and levers

  • Orico on 27/08/2021 - 18:30
    +5

    For that price, get a rocket or Italian espresso machine.

    Breville is a stinking appliance and wouldn't surprise me if they used off the shelf stuff for their internals.

    • SickDmith on 27/08/2021 - 23:20
      +1

      Yes, people spending $3k+ on the machine have a some Italian made options available.

      Internally Breville BES920 is Ok for the price - they use the same Italian Ulka pump and stainless steel boilers.
      I believe the biggest issue is all tubing is plastic with silicone rings at each end of each tube - that's a lot of silicone rings to leak sooner or later.
      Also trial board is located on the top of the case - as soon as you have a leak the moisture is building up on the top right in the trial board. So if owner is not paying attention (and most people are like this) by the time the leak is obvious trial board might fail.
      So instead of 10 cents silicon ring (plus labor) repair we are looking at ~$70 trial board replacement (with even more labor).

      My point in the post above was this build quality is Ok for $1k BES920 but for $3k+ it is a bit disappointing.

  • Sometingwong on 27/08/2021 - 20:07
    +1

    I bought a lelit Bianca that's a little more than this device. My expectation is that I will have that machine for more than 10 years. I don't know if his will last past the 5 year mark

    • smartinet on 29/08/2021 - 17:03

      I have the Lelit Anita, only a single boiler but I use a milk frother machine as I couldn’t be bothered with the cleaning. Excellent built in grinder and fantastic coffee. Cost me about $1200 a few years ago, still going strong.

      • huntabargain on 29/08/2021 - 19:20

        How is your experience with Lelit Anita, looks good value PL42TEMD for $1299, any reason why not using to steam? How long it takes to be ready when turn on. I have Breville 870 for 3 years now and considering new machine.

        • smartinet on 30/08/2021 - 09:13

          It’s ready to run in about 5 mins or so. I have a smart plug attached and turn it on with a schedule or remotely on my phone and just leave the master switch on the machine turned on. Always ready in the morning when we need it.

          It’s only single boiler so you have to do a flush before steaming. I pair it with a Breville The Milk Cafe as it’s much easier to run it while extracting and easier cleanup, but the steam wand works wel when I could be bothered.

          This machine has saved us during lockdown.

          I would add they are all imported by Jet Black Espresso in Melbourne. We bought ours locally here in Brisbane from Coffee Machine Specialists. The Jet Black guys could probably do with the revenue right now!

          Didn’t get the PID model as I’m not that picky about the temperature. The standard model has a great termperature and haven’t burnt coffee once.

          • esosite on 27/09/2021 - 06:48

            @smartinet: that's interesting re: the smart plug, does it cause much issue if you leave it on for a while? e.g. turn on at say 6am and off at 9am or something? lots of people in the house with overlapping schedule/coffee consumption? not that 5mins prep time is too long from start up though.

  • [Deactivated] on 27/08/2021 - 20:07

    No better at making coffee than the Bes920 we have according to my local Coffee machine repair man, ours has been repaired 3 times in 4.5 years, not a lot of money plus he descaled/cleans at same time so worth it. Lucky to have him wouldn’t like to have to deal with Breville. Not sure I would buy another breville.

    • Weshouldgetsushi on 27/08/2021 - 20:39

      Is he in Sydney North?

    • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 22:26

      plus he descaled/cleans

      Could be worth following the instructions on the machine and do it yourself when it needs it.

      • [Deactivated] on 28/08/2021 - 09:06
        +1

        no kidding, was done when needed repairs so didn't have too

  • tezza on 27/08/2021 - 20:34
    +2

    A heap of other better machines with seperate grinders available at that price.

  • mrTT on 27/08/2021 - 21:26

    I’m thinking of getting a second hand BES980 Oracle. One thing I haven’t checked is the heat up time. Can someone tell me how long it takes for the machine to heat up and be ready for making a coffee?

    • serpserpserp on 27/08/2021 - 22:28
      +1

      I think it is 6 minutes in the morning. Throughout the day 3-4 minutes. You can set a timer in the machine to come at a certain time of the day to avoid that heating time if you like.
      Keep in mind that it is a dual boiler so once it is heat and you would have grounded the coffee by that point it takes about 60 seconds to make a milk coffee from there..

  • Thrifty Dan on 27/08/2021 - 22:30
    +1

    Better value for the Rancilio Silvia still being the best single brew head machine. For just 800$ you get a lot!

    • huntabargain on 27/08/2021 - 22:57

      Does Rancilio Silvia has PID, OPV, pre-infusion, brew and steam same time? I understand it takes 30 min heating time. I found it around $1090.

      • nformone on 27/08/2021 - 23:16

        I've had an old version 2 Silvia for 8 years. It take about 5 minutes max to come up to temperature from cold. You can buy them with a PID but I honestly don't see the need. Same goes for pre-infusion.

        If you want to brew and steam at the same time you need a dual boiler or heat exchanger unit. Silvia is not the only great Italian machine it's just a reasonably accessible one that makes incredible coffee.

        • Thrifty Dan on 27/08/2021 - 23:26
          +1

          Yeah. I have mine for 7 years and no issues at all. Next one will be another Silvia one day when it breaks.

      • Maz78 on 28/08/2021 - 09:30

        Nowhere near 30 mins time. Just made one 20 minutes ago. Machine was barely on for 10 mins. Came out pefect.

  • mrTT on 28/08/2021 - 08:20

    has any one moved from using smart grinder pro to built in grinder of the Oracle, how does grind settings compare? I understand there is no volume (time) control on the Oracle for grinding, but I am using grind size 13 on SGP, would it be similar number for the Oracle?

    • serpserpserp on 28/08/2021 - 10:35
      +1

      Start at 25 for the Oracle and move up and down from there as needed. Get yourself a medicine shot glass that measures to 30ml as that is what you are aiming for to get the best shot (that is 30ml plus crema) if you like it on the sweeter side you can take a 25mm shot and that will be ok too.

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