Have We Lost Our Wedding Deposit?

We live in Sydney and are getting married in Melbourne. We put down a 50% deposit on a venue for the reception in September that ended up amounting to nearly $3k. The contract said no refunds upon cancellation but could move the date if things changed due to COVID. We felt it too risky to go forward with new lock-downs still going on so wanted to cancel.

However, the owner doesn't want to refund any of the amount as he says he held the date for us. Note, that he held the date for around three weeks to a month and the event is still two months away. He says that if someone else books the date then we can get the amount back but how likely is that now? We've tried to appeal to good nature but to no avail. Is there any way we can see that $3k deposit again?

Comments

  • +138

    The contract said no refunds upon cancellation

    We felt it too risky to go forward with new lock-downs still going on so wanted to cancel

    Have we lost our wedding deposit?

    Yes

    • +35

      I'm not sure if it was the Bride, or the Groom, or the Family… but it seems quite narrow minded to host the wedding in a different city during these circumstances. Unless the OP and Partner are from Melbourne, and only recently moved to Sydney.

      If I was in your shoes, I would've either paid far less for the initial deposit, or went through the contract to have something in there that I would be comfortable with. But that's just me, aspiring tightarse :\

    • +9

      My parents run a wedding venue at their farm in Daylesford, Vic. Their contract states something similar, however they have refunded people multiple times for change of mind, and deducted any costs already incurred. (Eg gardeners etc).

      I dont think its unreasonable to negotiate a partial return of the deposit, regardless what the contract states.

      • +2

        It is certainly reasonable to issue a partial refunds as a goodwill but very unreasonable to expect one when it is clearly specified in the contract.

        • Yes, our families are from separate states. We told the venue that we can't go ahead with a wedding in Vic (lockdowns more likely there) so a change of date isn't helpful…thus the request

          • +2

            @mikmanmik184: Change the date to 18 months away.
            Find someone else to take your booking before then. :)

  • +41

    Why don't you reschedule it?

    And why would you book a reception in Melbourne if you live in Sydney?

    • +280

      Maybe they’re removalists?

      • +4

        Lol… You made my day

      • +2

        wow, comment of the week!

      • -7

        Congratulations, you won OzBargain today.

    • +6

      why would you book a reception in Melbourne if you live in Sydney?

      Because Melbourne has better tap water…

      • -8

        Subjective and depends if you like your water with a hint of dead dog

      • +5

        yep Dan makes sure Melb is better than Sydney in every way

        • +7

          We've got Gladys and Bruz (profanity) NSW up.

            • -2

              @jv: More like Eddie Macquire and his racist friends?

              • +3

                @gimli: Who is Eddie Macquire ?

                • +1

                  @jv: eddie bought out by money

                  • +1

                    @gimli: He already has enough money…

                    • +1

                      @jv: because he has been bought out?

                    • +1

                      @jv: Who else wants to be a millionaire?

  • +104

    So you felt it was too risky going ahead with the lockdowns…but not too risky to put a 50% deposit on an agreement that says no deposit refunded if cancelled?

    Geez Louise.

    • +2

      That made me laugh so hard ineed2pee now

    • +2

      OP's name is Louise?

    • +2

      So you felt it was too risky going ahead with the lockdowns

      You haven't realised yet it's a troll post?

    • great logic, but human are not logical in many instances, we are more governed by emotions.

    • $3k no way would be a 50% deposit…

      • Venue hire?

  • +9

    Change the date, hope they get another booking or say goodbye to your money.

  • +3

    why not just extend the date to when you can get married in melbourne?

    • +19

      2030?

      • +15

        Very optimistic are we

        • +4

          Well it's not a race apparently….

  • +17

    Your contract seems pretty clear, I assume that putting the deposit down means you were happy with those terms?

    Reschedule it.

  • +4

    Is there any way we can see that 3k despot again?

    It’ll be unlikely from a despot…

    despot
    a ruler or other person who holds absolute power, typically one who exercises it in a cruel or oppressive way.

    Edit: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/638833/revisions#1361207vs… looks like this has been fixed ;)

      • +29

        and?

        Dan does things for the greater public health good, not businesses like Gladdy.

        VIC will be out of this lockdown long time before NSW.

          • +8

            @EightImmortals: You can either have the bad cop or the worst cop…..

            • +1

              @plmko: I know, it's like all the state gruppenfurers are competing at the moment….

            • @plmko: This. You win comment of the day!

          • +8

            @EightImmortals:

            hahaha, never thought I see the day when someone claimed that Andrews was the 'good guy'.

            Out of Dan and Gladdy, I know which one I would rather have running the show in 2021.

            Gladdy is making all the mistakes VIC made in 2020. Dan has made them and learned from it. The big difference is VIC was 'first' so didn't know any better. Gladdy seen all the mistakes VIC made in 2020 but is still playing a game with people's health to keep business happy and she lost this round.

            As I said, VIC will be out of this lockdown long before NSW will be.

            Now go get your vaccine, so we can get above 70% done and never have to worry about lockdowns again!

            • +1

              @JimmyF:

              Now go get your vaccine, so we can get above 70% done and never have to worry about lockdowns again!

              Not all aged groups are eligible for the vaccines just yet because we don't have enough supply (unlike the US where they will be discarding huge batches of vaccines soon due to imminent expiry).

              • +2

                @DoctorCalculon:

                Not all aged groups are eligible for the vaccines just yet because we don't have enough supply (unlike the US where they will be discarding huge batches of vaccines soon due to imminent expiry).

                Anyone over 18 can get the AZ…… right now. Go talk to your doctor.

                And before you say the AZ blood clots, go read this

                https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/cov…

                Mainly this

                Answer: Hi Taylor, did you know the risk of blood-clotting when taking the female contraception pill is 1 in 1000, while the risk with the AstraZeneca vaccine is 1 in 100,000? You don’t see media campaigns blaming politicians about the pill being available for Australian women, do you? The risk of dying from Viagra is 1 in 20,000 but men still take it daily.

                If you want to talk numbers, the chance of dying from being struck by lightning is 1 in 138,849, sunstroke is 1 in 8,248, a pedestrian incident is 1 in 543 and cancer is 1 in 7.

                Remember – 30,000 Australians have blood clots every year, that’s 82 a day. It’s all about perspective.

                and blood clot doesn't equal death in most cases. They are treatable.

                • +6

                  @JimmyF: Add the rest.

                  Blood clots from the contraceptive pill originate in the legs and are 100% treatable.

                  Blood clots from AZ originate in the brain and are typically undetected until it is too late.

                  • +2

                    @MS Paint:

                    Blood clots from the contraceptive pill originate in the legs and are 100% treatable.

                    Might want to look up how many people died from blood clots pre covid.

                    Blood clots from AZ originate in the brain and are typically undetected until it is too late.

                    Sure…. Got a source to this claim and I'll include it. Its not really the official line the gov handout says BTW, but is one of the conditions a TTS could result in.

                    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021…

                    I assume you are just going the extreme blood clot = brain clot? Which is true if a blood clot moves around the body it can end up in the brain. But that is the risk for the 82 people a day who get a blood clot not related to AZ anyhow.

                    They also said back in April, it was reported after 700,000 doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine given in Australia so far, 2 cases of TTS have been reported.

                    How many people have died from AZ in the UK vs died from getting covid?

                    Regardless the point was "Not all aged groups are eligible for the vaccines" which is untrue. Anyone 18+ can get the AZ today. No need to wait. The media has just scared you in to not waiting it. Oddly the risk of dying from covid is 1 in 100, heck even if its 1 in 1000. The AZ are way better odds.

                    But sure, if someone wants to wait for their age group to get the pfizer vaccine, then sure they can do that, its their choice. But then don't also complain about lockdowns to protect these people 'waiting' until we get the population above 70% vaccinated to end lockdowns for good. Can't have it both ways.

                    • +1

                      @JimmyF: These comparisons to the contraceptive pill is quite disgusting. Just because something is more likely to kill you, doesn't make something else any worse.
                      There are many people who refuse contraceptive pills even though recommended by their doctor, why? Because the side effects are horrible.

                      My partner recently had Pulmonary Oedema post surgery and there were suspicions that there could be a clot. This was honestly one of the scariest situations we've been in, and it luckily wasn't a clot. A clot would have been a worse experience.

                      Just because Scotty from marketing now has an indemnity scheme and has opened up eligibility, doesn't make it the most viable choice. ATAGI still doesn't recommend this for people under 60.

                      • +4

                        @ColtNoir:

                        These comparisons to the contraceptive pill is quite disgusting

                        Most women take the pill at some point in their lifetime, but yet I don't see the media running reports there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of getting a clot so they shouldn't take it.

                        Why? The benefit of the pill outways the risk.

                        My partner recently had Pulmonary Oedema post surgery and there were suspicions that there could be a clot. This was honestly one of the scariest situations we've been in, and it luckily wasn't a clot. A clot would have been a worse experience.

                        Every surgery has a post clotting risk factor and just like your partner, they would have been pumped with anti clotting drugs and told to monitor for clotting symptoms. Your partner was no different than anyone else post surgery, a family member recently had a knee replacement and got the same speech.

                        So should we stop surgery as the risk is great? No again the benefits outway the risk.

                        If Australia doesn't contain delta in the two biggest cities, the handful that MIGHT have died from AZ will be nothing. NSW already has 4 deaths on its hands.

                        So as I said above, don't complain about ongoing lockdowns if you haven't been vaccinated while the gov tries to protect the mass population.

                        There is a vaccine available for anyone 18+, but its AZ…. So people don't want that one as there is more chance of getting hit by lighting that a clot, but still too risky! Wait till you find out the pfizer vaccine is showing signs of links to heart issues in the USA.

                • -1

                  @JimmyF: "You don’t see media campaigns blaming politicians about the pill being available for Australian women, do you? "

                  You don't see media campaigns trying to con women into taking it against their will either. Neither do you see politicians threatening people with all kind of punishment for not taking the pill.

                  • +2

                    @EightImmortals:

                    You don't see media campaigns trying to con women into taking it against their will either. Neither do you see politicians threatening people with all kind of punishment for not taking the pill.

                    You certainly don't get the media trying to 'con' people into taking AZ…. So your point is?

                    Sorry what punishment are our politicians threatening people to take AZ with?

                    I assume you're talking lockdown. That is not a punishment for not taking AZ, that is what is required to protect our health system when the mass population are not vaccinated.

                    Look at the UK, case numbers are now back to over 50k a day, but due to the AZ vaccine the health system isn't overloaded. So no lockdowns.

                    • @JimmyF: What about all of the advertisements about getting vaccinated when they're botching the rollouts? Health students are being told they can't do their pracs without being vaccinated but have signed up to receive a vaccine through the correct channels months ago - if all of that doesn't equate to being conned into taking AZ then what does?

                      The UK may be back in hot water with differing strains and only 50% fully vaccinated….

                      One big thing you are missing with AZ and blood clots is that this chance is completely independent to all of your other risks of dying and there is a clear alternative option without that risk. It's like being asked to pick between two identical modern cars where one has had some of it's airbags taken out. How often you actually need an airbag is almost irrelevant.

                  • @EightImmortals: Thought as much…. Thanks for coming, keep holding out for your pfizer vaccine all while complaining about being punished by the gov!

            • +2

              @JimmyF:

              Gladdy is making all the mistakes VIC made in 2020

              Wasn't aware we had the delta strain in Australia last year… Very different rules now around contact tracing… But lets ignore that fact…

          • @EightImmortals: That's because you live in the Sky News echo chamber.

        • -6

          Dan does things for the greater public health good

          LOL

          So it was good for 800 Victorians to die due to government's incompetence with hotel quarantine ???

          It was good for him and his ministers not to co-operate with the inquiry and claim they 'don't recall' and refuse to hand over telephone records ?

          It was good for him to make up laws that were against public health advice and against police advice ?

          How is that for greater public good ?

          Lets get things straight, Dan only does things that are for the greater Dan good…. He has an ego the size of this state and doesn't hesitate to push his own team in front of a bus if it can be used to deflect his failings…

          • @jv:

            Lets get things straight, Dan only does things that are for the greater Dan good…. He has an ego the size of this state and doesn't hesitate to push his own team in front of a bus if it can be used to deflect his failings…

            I see we have found a Murdoch news subscriber.

            So you would rather Gladdy run the show? I guess at least you could get your louis vuitton retail fix or well basically any retail 'fix' during the first 3 weeks of the gladdy mockdown.

            So it was good for 800 Victorians to die due to government's incompetence with hotel quarantine ???

            But who was responsible for HQ in the first place? Oh look

            The states and territories agreed to run hotel quarantine as part of their broader responsibility for public health, despite it being a federal role under the constitution.

            So Scumo didn't want anything to do with it even when the constitution said it was HIS job, so passed the hot potato to the states to deal with. So really all those deaths you claim are on Scumos hands for not doing the job himself.

            Oddly the escape from HQ was because the feds preferred supplies didn't train their staff or provide them PPE as outlined in the contract from the state.

            Also oddly most of the deaths happened in fed ran aged care.

            Are you seeing a pattern yet?

            • -2

              @JimmyF:

              I see we have found a Murdoch news subscriber.

              Nope… and don't watch SkyNews… deflecting again I see…. Not hard to work out your biases…
              I just deal with facts.

              • -1

                @jv:

                Not hard to work out your biases…

                The pot calling the kettle black hey?

                If you don't like Dan, then NSW has a spot for you JV.

            • -2

              @JimmyF:

              But who was responsible for HQ in the first place?

              Dan in Vic.

              He hired the security companies that stuffed up… They weren't even on the list of preferred providers for the government. I wonder what influenced him to select them ???

          • @jv: 800 people died in aged care homes that come under the direct responsibility of the federal government, what a coincidence. Maybe being an LNP shill has clouded your mind.

  • Yes

  • +13

    he contract said no refunds upon cancellation but could move the date if things changed due to COVID

    Then you either move the date or forgo the deposit as per the contract you signed.

    VIC will be most likely be out of lockdown by Sept, so the event could go ahead as planned. Sydney, well not too sure about that one.

    that he held the date for around three weeks to a month and the event is still two months away

    So you booked this during just as Sydney was going into lockdown and cases getting worse every day, so you had been well aware things are bad in Sydney.

      • +1

        I see Dan has done nothing to prevent other removalists from entering Victoria thus far…

        More Dan bashing by the troll JV…. How about you go read the news and see what has really been put in place.

          • +9

            @jv:

            Likes to attack people who have a different opinion to you…

            Yet again, the pot calling the kettle black hey? You attack people continuously who have a different opinion to you.

            No need to get personal

            Oh jv calling you a troll isn't personal. Anyone who has been on this site longer than 20 mins knows your are the biggest pot stirrer around. Nothing personal, just a fact.

            and act like a 3 yo… Grow up….

            Says the person calling me a Dan fanboy? small clap to you. Oh jv you have done it again.

            That's why we are in a 5th lockdown

            If your best bud Gladdy kept covid under control, then we wouldn't be in a lockdown. Now that is a fact.

            Victoria has be far been the most mismanaged state during covid… That is a Fact…

            No thats not a fact, but your personal opinion, but sure let us see how well your darling puppet Gladbags does.

            NSW is on the 3rd (or 4th?) lockdown that is in the 4th week and cases still over 100 day. Shutdown retail and construction, still talking tougher mockdown rules to come.

            Looks like she is doing no better than VIC during its big wave in 2020. Now that is a FACT.

            • -7

              @JimmyF:

              You attack people continuously who have a different opinion to you.

              Pretty sure that's what you do… You are doing it in this thread.

            • @JimmyF:

              If your best bud Gladdy

              Shows how how much you talk out of your other end.

              I'm not a supporter of hers.

              • +1

                @jv:

                I'm not a supporter of hers.

                So you just dislike everyone equally? Well that is on point. So carry on as you were!

                • -5

                  @JimmyF:

                  So you just hate everyone equally?

                  No, mainly Dan…. Kevin Rudd and Turnbull are pretty close behind though…

                  • +7

                    @jv: Scomo gets a pass though right, figures…

                  • @jv: If those three are up there, then Gough Whitlam must stand as your number one most hated poli. He was basically all of them combined and more extreme.

                    • -2

                      @Bjingo: About time you did some reading on the achievements of various governments in the last 50 years. Whitlam's government is head and shoulders above any of them. I'd list a few of the nation changing ones but I'm not a fan of spoon-feeding so I'll give you just one - Medicare/Medibank. Sound familiar?

                      • @[Deactivated]: I never said I disliked him, he is in fact the best Prime minister, you're jumping to conclusions.

                        I was just pointing out that ideologically Rudd and Whitlam and to a lessor extent Turnbull were similar.

                        • +1

                          @Bjingo: Sorry I misread your meaning. Nonetheless comparing those two to Whitlam - ideologically or otherwise - is a travesty of fact. Gough would be rolling in his grave.

                          Whitlam was a social reformer who believed in democratic socialism and free enterprise with national benefit. His govt made nation-changing and long-lasting reform. Modern Labor governments, including Rudds, were far from that and sacrificed policy and principle for pragmatism. Turnbull was a flip-flopping conservative hypocrite who liked being PM. His government achieved nothing significant.

          • +8

            @jv: Your joking right? Track record of stuffing up? Yes the hotel quarantine was a failure and yes it led to many deaths and an extended lockdown. However have you considered that nursing homes, a federal gov responsibility were the places that most deaths occurred. No probably not. Have you considered the fact that the last time we had a pandemic near as bad as this one was 1918 and that we probably ( all of us ) were flying blind to some extent.
            Dan fronted the media day after day and took all questions including from that complete ultra right wing dill Peta Credlin. He at least showed some leadership.
            Perhaps your unaware that:
            Quarantine
            Aged Care
            Vaccinations
            Are federal government responibilites.
            Have you forgotten the Ruby Princess or the fact that this latest outbreak started again due to a Limo driver being allowed to take international flight crew for a spin without wearing a mask. Now thats a monumental FU.
            We are in a fifth lockdown because a couple of removalists decided it was fine to not wear masks even though one was crook and subsequently tested positive for C19.
            Iv'e seen zero evidence that Dan cares only for himself. If that were the case there would be no lockdown and he, like Scotty would be doing shit only aimed at increasing his popularity. That's clearly not the case.
            It is not a fact that VIC has been the most mismanaged state. That's a joke statement. We learnt from our mistakes as opposed to Grandma Gladys, who despite watching Vic go through a ten week lockdown last year learnt nothing.
            Your entitled to your opinion, it just happens to lack evidence and is clearly wrong.

            • +1

              @gravel:

              Your

              You're

            • +1

              @gravel: @Gravel. Sorry but 5 lockdowns vs I think 2 in NSW speaks for itself. Besides I am yet to hear hospitals in NSW are being overwhelmed which to me suggests that we can live with this virus without killing people mentally as it is in Victoria with enough hospitalization capacity.

              You would be wise to know that Vic Govt has purposely classified the report leaked a month ago that would have reported the toll on mental health particularly young people and suicides.

              You only see one side but neglecting the other side of the coin that is mental health, jobs lost due to business closures, and suicides.

              Vic is not better than NSW and I say this as a Victorian.

              • +1

                @burningrage: Over 2000 deaths due to Robodebt and Scotty’s punishment was to become PM, nothing will be done about any mental health issues due to lockdowns.

              • @burningrage: "Sorry but 5 lockdowns vs I think 2 in NSW speaks for itself." Actually it says nothing at all other than Victoria is more cautious and perhaps a little unlucky. I think WA and QLD have had four or five lockdowns, but so what. Oh and you're forgetting the ruined Christmas and New Year for millions in Sydney over Dec/Jan last year, but who's counting.
                This is a virus, it's not interested in state borders, requires an electron microscope to see the evil it can spread, mutates and is highly highly contagious.
                In Nsw there are around 110 people in hospital, nearly 30 of whom are in ICU. That 110 puts the rate at nearly 10% of people infected.
                Oh and they are in lockdown so these figures have zero relevance to the damage that would be caused if we just " lie it rip " without a vaccinated population. I can refer you to some great ( but pretty boring ) podcasts that are tracking the overseas experience.
                There has been a massive toll on mental health, of that there can be no doubt however there is no evidence that overall suicide rates are up, that is with any statistical certainty.
                Oh and on hidden reports - how about the fact that Dutton ( then HA minister ) refused to allow federal public servants to appear at the Ruby Princess enquiry and all of Federal Ministers, himslef included would not attend.
                Of course business closures and job losses are a major concern. But the economy exists to allow it's members a healthy, quality and happy life and not the reverse. An economy with a bunch of sick members is pretty close to useless.
                Perhaps we should have used some of the 10+ billion in tax cuts given last year to offer more help to theses businesses and unemployed. After all the bulk of the benefit fell on those earning 120K a year or more. Hardly the group suffering the most.
                Your right VIC/Nsw neither is better or worse, we need to work together as one.
                But I will tell you this, listening to Galdys and Dan it's pretty obvious to me at least who is the leader and who is the ditherer.

            • @gravel:

              However have you considered that nursing homes, a federal gov responsibility were the places that most deaths occurred.

              How many nursing home deaths happened in VIC compared to other states ???

      • +12

        Yes, it's Dan Andrew's job to personally stand at every border crossing inspecting interstate removalists for fleas, ticks and viruses. Just as it's Dan Andrews's job to stroll door-to-door vaccinating every Victorian, chase down car-jackers around Melton, and rescue stranded cats from trees.

        The fact that I have not observed Dan Andrews do any of these things proves that he is a horrible individual deserving of nothing but contempt and dog bites.

  • +10

    Take it as an omen… run for your life.

    • -1

      If the message here is losing 3000aud to not actually get married is money well spent, I am in hearty agreement.

      I'm all for getting married. How about we wait until we are 70? Lots less people to have to buy dinner for.

  • +5

    "We put down a 50% deposit on a venue for the reception in September…"

    WHY?

    This BS aint gonna and any time soon (not that anyone listens to me). SIL just lost a deposit on a trip to WA that we told her not to book for the same reasons. /facedesk

  • +1

    OP

    Sympathies to you because it sucks. But at the end of the day, "it sucks" shouldn't lead to an expectation that the contract terms should be altered. Yes if the owner was being generous he/she might well offer a refund or some adjusted terms, but they don't have to.

    It is a lesson, though probably a stressful one, that if you aren't accepting of the contractual terms despite risks, then it's simply best not to sign said contract.

  • +9

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    • +13

      after general census of bye bye deposit
      last seen
      forever

      • lol

        yep, bye Felicia

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          :P

    • After cancelling wedding: now single from 1 hour 2 min ago

  • +4

    Change the date, or ask to use the deposit for a post-wedding party when its all good (if you decide to have a small simple ceremony).

  • +2

    The contract said no refunds upon cancellation

    Seems pretty straightforward?

  • yup, its gone.
    no worries, its just money. that can be replaced.

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