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[Back Order] Seagate Expansion 14TB $331.09, WD Elements Desktop 14TB $345.23 (OOS) + Postage ($0 with Prime) @ Amazon US via AU

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Good $/TB ratio on these external drives drives..

WD Elements 14TB — In stock from 9 March
Seagate Expansion 14TB — Dispatch 1-20 April — Small price drop to $327.91

Use some 3% off coupons from places like Suncorp (or 2% shopback) even better.

Item Price Cost/TB Extra 3%
WD Elements 14TB $345.23 $24.66 $23.92
Seagate Expansion STEB14000402 14TB $329.81 $23.55 $22.85

The Seagate has a longer delivery time (1-4 weeks) if you're after something in a hurry.
Please be aware of Amazon's dynamic pricing, when there's a surge in demand they typically increment prices on stock.

Note on Power Adapters: You'll probably get an American power adapter, so you'll need a converter or people have had success calling the vendor locally and them dispatching a plug. (If you are not shucking them) Some people mention you may get an international adapter on some models. Are you ready to roll the dice champion?
Personal experience, most recently Seagate Expansions of 12TB+ I've bought all came with international adapters. Can't vouch for WD.

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  • brent3000 on 03/03/2021 - 09:19

    ooo what are the odds the WD ones are still helium drives :)

    • Sopzo on 20/03/2021 - 18:45

      I thought they were always helium?

  • [Deactivated] on 03/03/2021 - 09:25
    +2

    Does the Seagate come with a US power adapter? Will Seagate send out an Australian plug if requested like WD does?

    • Caped Baldy on 03/03/2021 - 09:33
      +3

      My experience with the 10tb and 16tb seagate is that they come with the international adaptor plugs.

      YMMV for other sizes as I've heard 8tb and below come with the default retail country plug.

      • photonbuddy on 03/03/2021 - 10:48
        +1

        I have 4 of the 8TB Xbox game drives that were well priced last year, and they all came with the multi-plug power adapter.

        I would think this would be standard across all external drives, so as not to need to manufacture different units.

        • Caped Baldy on 03/03/2021 - 12:47
          +1

          WD?

          WD expansion drives tend to have only the country of origin power adapters so need to ask WD customer service and try not to get scammed.

          Seagate's larger expansion drives tend to have all the plugs which saves manufacturing different units. From the amazon reviews the smaller Seagate expansion drives only have one plug.

    • Chenzo on 03/03/2021 - 09:35
      +3

      I got the Seagate 16 TB last week and can say that you get all the various power clip-ons for the power with that one.

  • NotAnAudiophile on 03/03/2021 - 09:27
    +3

    just shuck them….

    • thedean on 03/03/2021 - 09:38
      +12

      Before shucking it's best to stress test in the case to make it easier to return if any problems are found.

      • Chenzo on 03/03/2021 - 09:44
        +3

        yes. it'll take about 70ish hours, but you have to before shucking.

        • Grok on 03/03/2021 - 09:58
          +6

          My experience is that these Seagate drives will overheat in their plastic case after 30 minutes of constant writes unless you put a fan directly on them.

          • Caped Baldy on 03/03/2021 - 10:03
            +3

            @Grok: I put the enclosure on top of my air purifier. Worked pretty well.

          • Chenzo on 03/03/2021 - 10:08
            +1

            @Grok: yeah. stable 50 deg for my entire stress test.

          • thedean on 03/03/2021 - 21:58

            @Grok: Maybe thats why they always put such high level drives in these?
            No point developing cheaper drives at high capacity when you would also need a cooling solution in the case to stop them getting damaged?

            I think heat tolerances of the HGST and Exos drive is pretty high?

            Makes you think.

        • cheepo on 06/03/2021 - 12:14

          What do you do to test them?

      • Aarent on 04/03/2021 - 11:27

        Yup, i used CrystalDiskCheck while full formatting the drive etc to check for bad sectors/reallocated sectors before shucking. Rebuilt my entire RAID6 array one by one, it is very time consuming.

    • Caped Baldy on 03/03/2021 - 09:34
      +6

      Why are you so upset by that comment?

      • pichxlonco on 03/03/2021 - 09:44
        +18

        I know right? Shuck this guy!

        • UrbanLegend on 03/03/2021 - 11:15
          +3

          Stress test failed. Time for RMA :p

          • jsb on 03/03/2021 - 17:44
            +1

            @UrbanLegend: I am pretty sure this guy is out of warranty.

      • Laserface on 03/03/2021 - 10:17
        +1

        I take issue with it because of the wastefulness of it, but thats just me.

        • NobalaKoba on 03/03/2021 - 10:28
          +9

          Would happily buy the bare drives instead if they were the same price.

        • t3chshopper on 03/03/2021 - 10:48
          +7

          Wasteful is spending an extra $200 for the same drive, when you could just shuck one instead.

          • Laserface on 03/03/2021 - 12:11
            -2

            @t3chshopper: wasting money impacts you, and I (sadly) dont care about your finances. Wasting resources impacts the planet/everyone, which is what annoys me about it, especially considering those with the knowledge to shuck a drive are likely to do it more than once and not require the chassis so it just ends up in landfill.

            I would assume its (bare drive being more expensive than external) also a warranty/support thing, potentially a binning/QA thing, but ultimately its just a shitty capitalism thing.

            would definitely have preferred 8TBs for $160ea instead of 4TBs for $145ea when i had to buy NAS drives last week!

            • naphman on 03/03/2021 - 12:15

              @Laserface: Cool story Hansel.

              • Laserface on 03/03/2021 - 12:19
                +1

                @naphman: what part did you like the best?

                • naphman on 03/03/2021 - 12:20

                  @Laserface: That you assume people are that (Edit: darn autocorrect) callous to just landfill the plastic, casing, power-supply etc.

            • So lo on 03/03/2021 - 14:11
              +4

              @Laserface: It is a shitty capitalism thing, but as a consumer we don't exactly have a good 3rd option:
              Option 1: Overpay by hundreds to get what we want
              Option 2: Pay the fair price (if it wasn't fair, they wouldn't be able to continually sell it at this price, would they) and deal with the extra packaging.

              Anyways:
              12V power supplies reusable.
              Cardboard packaging and plastic casing doesn't immediately go to landfill, mine are in my roof space in case I need to un-shuck and return to manufacturer. Eventually it'll go into the recycling bin to be loaded on a ship and sailed halfway around the world using fossil fuels for recycling in the name of eco-friendliness.

              • Sammy Boi on 04/03/2021 - 00:39

                @So lo: The cases from these won't end up in landfills it's recyclable plastic

                • So lo on 04/03/2021 - 00:41
                  +2

                  @Sammy Boi: Yes, as I said, "Eventually it'll go into the recycling bin to be loaded on a ship and sailed halfway around the world using fossil fuels for recycling in the name of eco-friendliness."

    • nuker on 03/03/2021 - 09:45
      +2

      They will shuck the neggers then. They shuck everything

    • 4agte on 03/03/2021 - 17:57
      +1

      username doesn't check out

  • KangaDrew on 03/03/2021 - 10:20
    +1

    Who has experience with both drives from a longevity perspective? I'm needing it as purely a storage drive for TV shows and movies really.

    • turtlesinmypants on 03/03/2021 - 10:42
      +9

      If it's important data, always min 2 copies. So buy 2 mirror, feel safer. If you can't afford 2, then data is not worth $345 to you. Both vendors have a history of drives failing all over the spectrum, some come DOA, some live till 10 years. You can't put a hard fast rule on MTBF

      • KangaDrew on 03/03/2021 - 10:50

        Funnily enough, this is actually going to be used as my #2 drive :-) I'm usually using WD but with both being relatively the same price, I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask for experience from others. I'll likely stick with WD.

        • Indomietable on 03/03/2021 - 11:23
          +6

          You can stick to whatever you feel comfortable with. For me, I choose whichever is cheapest. There absolutely no evidence that WD is better than Seagate or Toshiba and vice versa. All hard drive is crap. If your expectation that all drives will eventually fail you will avoid disappointment and hopefully have plan around this.

    • Chenzo on 03/03/2021 - 11:19

      more recently I've had better luck with Seagate. But as long as you do your stress test first, either should be good.
      If you get any SMART errors after the stress test, send it back for replacement.

      • KangaDrew on 03/03/2021 - 15:25

        Do have any suggestions on good Mac software to stress test by any chance?

        • Chenzo on 03/03/2021 - 15:33
          +1

          Sorry, I don't. Maybe one of the wonderful OZB community can offer suggestion?

          • Sammy Boi on 03/03/2021 - 22:32

            @Chenzo: I got DriveDx
            Have a look at that
            I use western lifeguard the stress test

    • 4agte on 03/03/2021 - 18:06

      Been running mixes of mostly WD, HGST and Seagates in my unraid server for over 10 years. Never has a WD failed on me. Seagate on the other hand, I now avoid.

      Details on failure rates can be found here - https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-fo…

      • Indomietable on 03/03/2021 - 21:41

        Never has a WD failed on me

        Not yet
        Your sample size is just way too small.

        According to backblaze WD has the HIGHEST failure rate:

        https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q4-201…

        All drive fail, just get cheapest one and plan for failure.

        • 4agte on 05/03/2021 - 00:32
          -1

          Yes all drives fail and why my sample rate might be small (50TB), I still believe backblaze support my experiences. The blog you link is 6 years old and I don't have any of those WD drives. You really need to be looking at something like this link https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-fo… HGST is a subsidiary of WD. The HGST brand is slowly being phased out and WD are incorporating their HGST technology into their WD branded HDD. Eg. all my higher capacity reds all have HGST Helium technology. HGST > Seagate. Therefore the WD models I use are greater than Seagate. I have also never had a HSGT fail but one day they will all fail

          • Indomietable on 05/03/2021 - 11:38
            -2

            @4agte:

            I still believe backblaze support my experiences

            The 2020 backlaze link you provided specifically mention :

            "For drive models with over 250,000 drive days over the course of 2020, the Seagate 6TB drive (model: ST6000DX000) leads the way with a 0.23% annualized failure rate (AFR). "

            Backblaze also put money where their mouth is. They added 13,596 new Seagate drive in 2020 compared to 8,508 WD(6002) and HGST(2506) combined.

            I don't know how this can be interpreted as avoid Seagate or supporting your experiences ?

            The blog you link is 6 years old

            Yes - because they don't have much WD drives. 6 Years ago probably was the year use highest number of WD.

            Helium technology

            Backblaze have blog post about this with the following highlight :
            "One conclusion, given this evidence, is that helium doesn’t affect the AFR of hard drives versus air-filled drives"

            • 4agte on 08/03/2021 - 11:55

              @Indomietable: The highest HGST drive has a highest failure rate of 1.19%.

              Seagate has drive failures including 12.54, 1.71, 1.33, 1.22% but sure cherry pick the results.

              HSGT AFR is 0.47% overall. Seagate is 1.99%. I guess this makes Seagate the Steven Bradbury of winners.

              I am sure the op asked who has personal experience with these drives and that is what I gave. If others have better experience with Seagate they should recommend them.

              I did not say avoid Seagate I said I now avoid.. Why should I buy more Seagate drives? I also put my money where my mouth is. The drives aren't free. It isn't cheap to build a 50TB home server. I don't profit from storage, so the costs of a drive is much greater to me than it is to an enterprise.

              • Indomietable on 09/03/2021 - 07:54
                -2

                @4agte:

                cherry pick the results.

                You kinda have to do this as explicitly stated in the article :

                For drives which have less than 250,000 drive days, any conclusions about drive failure rates are not justified. There is not enough data over the year-long period to reach any conclusions. We present the models with less than 250,000 drive days for completeness only.

                Why should I buy more Seagate drives?

                If its is cheaper, why not? The stats is there and the conclusion is pretty clear that all drive fail. One person experience and past performance is not a concrete indicator future reliability. Debating if Seagate or WD or Toshiba is better is not a productive discussion.

                • 4agte on 09/03/2021 - 08:16
                  -1

                  @Indomietable:

                  Debating if Seagate or WD or Toshiba is better is not a productive discussion.

                  So why are you here? op asked for personal experiences, that is is what I gave and you have turned it into a basely debate.

                  • Indomietable on 09/03/2021 - 16:05
                    -1

                    @4agte: I'm here to find good deals because I buy lots of storage. Brand loyalty commands a higher price which is the last thing I want.

  • nuker on 03/03/2021 - 10:48
    +3

    Helium, RPMs, and other info for WD drives. Table

    • ehsad on 03/03/2021 - 11:17

      Ok, thanks, but what drive is in these?

      • nuker on 03/03/2021 - 11:30
        +1

        No idea, track comments here or on reddit. I got 12tb in Nov, got EMFZs, ones from last week were EDAZs. Diff was blue logo on the box first, orange on recent ones.

        • hkborderzone on 03/03/2021 - 21:52

          I had a quick look around Reddit but couldn't find much on ebay shucking model numbers from amazon US in the last month. Unless I've messed up my google search query. Can you put up a link or two as examples?

    • nuker on 03/03/2021 - 15:35

      Same for Seagate and Toshiba

  • Switchblade88 on 03/03/2021 - 11:07

    What's the write speeds between these two drives?

    I've picked up a couple of the Xbox-branded WD_Blacks last year which cap out at 250mb/s (HGST Ultrastar HC520's on the sticker) so I'm curious which of these will be as fast.

    • Slut on 03/03/2021 - 12:05

      Curious as well

  • Terence Z on 03/03/2021 - 11:07

    Can I disassemble it and use as a NAS drive?

    • skyva on 03/03/2021 - 12:14
      +1

      Thats called shucking, as in getting the meat out of the shell. You need to google the type of product and drive as some don't have ide connectors, they run usb which is useless for shucking. It can change quickly so look for people who have bought these exact units before. Probably a reddit thread on it.

      • Terence Z on 03/03/2021 - 15:23

        Thanks a lot

    • Laserface on 03/03/2021 - 12:14
      -3

      bad idea, they probably use SMR.

  • Slut on 03/03/2021 - 11:17

    Dang, just bought 16tb for $450!

    • Switchblade88 on 03/03/2021 - 12:21
      +1

      Nothing to regret, it's only a little more per Tb and a bigger drive overall

  • jong on 03/03/2021 - 12:23

    Just a note on power adapters - you can just use a cheap $1 plug adapter off eBay, as their switching PSUs will handle our voltage and frequency just fine.

    (Or at least the 8/10/12TB Seagates and WD's I've bought have - it'll be written on the PSU if you want to check).

    • Whisper Quiet on 03/03/2021 - 18:37

      WD will send you one out for free but you have to make a login account and ask for it.

      • Sammy Boi on 03/03/2021 - 22:33

        They will send you upside down adapters unless you specifically request Australian ones and make it clear that it is possible and they do exist it's the same plug the cord just comes out the wrong way on the other ones and can be a

        • Whisper Quiet on 04/03/2021 - 02:35

          Why wouldn't you say you need an Australian adapter anyway? That's the whole point of the message to them. Say you received a US one but need an Australian version. I've done it 4 times to them for all my backup drives. I've never had an issue with them for it

          • Sammy Boi on 04/03/2021 - 04:04

            @Whisper Quiet: In my experience and a lot of others when we asked for an Australian adapter we receive the universal one with a Chinese adapter it still works but the orientation of the cable comes out the opposite side because they have the same plug as we do but it's upside down so let's say if you plugged it into a PowerPoint wall socket instead of the cable coming out of the bottom like usual it comes out the top and that can be quite annoying in certain situations
            I contacted support again stated I want proper Australian orientated plugs that come out the correct way. And they sent me more of the correct ones

  • [Deactivated] on 03/03/2021 - 12:57

    The Seagate appears to be OOS.

  • dfg555 on 03/03/2021 - 13:12
    -1

    PLEASE 16TB IM SO DESPERATE REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • whirlpool_guy on 03/03/2021 - 13:57

    Why is this a deal? WD Elements Desktop 14TB $345.23

    Has been this price for weeks, due to a strong AUD.

    • KangaDrew on 03/03/2021 - 15:28
      +2

      No, it hasn't. It dropped to this price for a day about a week ago (I know because I missed out on it then). You're thinking of something else (or a different size).

  • [Deactivated] on 03/03/2021 - 15:39

    Request: Add a + to every comment telling you to "SHUCK THEM"

  • punkfans on 03/03/2021 - 23:40

    Come on Amazon, make the 16TB sub $400. Would love to have a Exo

    • Aarent on 04/03/2021 - 12:58

      I believe a week or so ago it was sub 400 for a small window on amazon.

  • jason andrade on 08/03/2021 - 10:24

    Anyone still seeing the Seagate at this price as I can't find it (has it gone out of stock or just had the price go up as per dynamic pricing ?)

    I picked up a 14T when it was around $350 which seemed good and I would buy a second one if I could get it for $330 or less..

    Just a good 'general purpose' drive for media..

    I was able to get 110Mbyte/sec writes to this drive when copying data via USB3 from our previous LaCie 8T drive (which is SMR). It is quite a noisy drive though so keep that in mind.

    • moorey on 20/03/2021 - 13:42

      Got it for 327 too, am needing a couple more myself so waiting for the price to come down

  • Homr on 03/04/2021 - 18:22

    Are these external hard drive designed to be plugged in 24/7? Will it damage if you do?

    • 4agte on 03/04/2021 - 19:32

      They aren't really external drives. They are just WD/Seagate's internal drives put into an external enclosure. This is generally anyone running large capacity server's preferred way to obtain drives much cheaply. All drives have a limited life but having them connected to a 24/7 should generally not impact it's life too much. I've generally been lucky with drives and not experience any outright failures. I just pulled a 5TB WD green because it had a few poor sectors. Any drive in my server has been replaced at the 5-6 year mark to make place for a larger capacity drive.

      • Homr on 03/04/2021 - 19:48

        interesting, so what are "true" external drives then?

        • 4agte on 03/04/2021 - 19:59

          For a 3.5" drive I am not sure if there is. Not sure about 2.5" anymore. I know in the past some drives could not be shucked as the usb and power internal board was part of the drive. Drives that can be shucked drives, that board can be easily removed as seen here https://youtu.be/Xekv2Y2mmfQ?t=208

          • Hybroid on 03/04/2021 - 20:01
            +1

            @4agte: An external drive is an internal drive with an attached controller. Some are soldered on (like some WDs) and some are separate like on these. They're perfectly fine to keep plugged in 24/7 and I have half a dozen going strong for many years. Deadly slow drives but great for archive storage/occasional read.

            • 4agte on 03/04/2021 - 20:02

              @Hybroid: Thanks for confirming that. Been a while since I have seen one soldered on but then again I have bought models in which others have confirmed can be shucked.

  • Thinkscape on 09/04/2021 - 11:55
    -8

    The prices are hiked up… not redeemable anymore.

    • 4agte on 09/04/2021 - 21:04
      +1

      Ummm yeah, deal has expired but why the neg?

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