Pretty decent price for a 14TB. $22.55 per TB. Limit 5 per customer.
Likely doesn't come with AU adapter and may require 3.3v mod if shucked.
Edit: Sold out briefly, back in stock now!
CamelCamelCamel.
Good deal. But the one I got from last deal is Pretty loud.
Sorry.. do you mind repeating that?
Yes I can confirm that, mine is also a bit noisy.
Interesting, mine seems pretty quiet. Then again it replaced an old (and noisy) 3tb WD Black.
Odd, mine's quietest drive I own. Spins at 5700rpm.
Did you get the helium filled version?
WD140EDFZ.
That's got helium in it. I got the same.
Is yours noisy when seeking, or at idle?
@RedHab: Both. Idle noise is kind of a grinding / clicking noise at fixed interval and stops after a while. Seeking / writing sometimes has a strong grinding noise, but only occasionally and mostly at the start - it's usually fine once it starts seeking / writing.
Bought it last time in the $299, defs didnt need any mod for shucking into DS918+
It gets so expensive for my DS1812+ :/
One reasons I chose the DS918+ if I had more bays I would be more inclined to buy more drives
Yep no mod needed for 920+ also
Noice.
Ill get one and add it to my btrfs raid5.
Thanks OP, can’t wait more just for $15 so bought it
its $16.7
Greater than 10G means this isn't SMR?
Currently for Western Digital yes (other than the 20TB that's meant to be hitting the streets "soon")
WD is 8TB up while Seagate is 10TB and up for non-SMR
Why do people need this much storage, just curious lol. Is it for consoles?
Linux ISOs mostly…
That and if you host a plex server which is what I use my 10TB for. I’ve only filled up half of it though
Plex + Steam games for sure.
I've got about 2Tb of games (which are moved as required to my SSD for faster loading).
And having suffered through the pitiful experience of streaming on FTTN, I have taken to backing up ahem offline caching several videos/series in 4K so I can actually enjoy them. That's another 4Tb.
Plus personal archives of photos and videos from my phones over the last 10 years is another terabyte or so (Google's dick move of changing unlimited Photos storage will really hit me!)
Is the performance okay to play Steam games with the games stored on an external drive? I've always tried to load the games I play onto a local SSD but it's becoming very crowded. Would like to know if this works, so I can move the games onto external drives to alleviate the low space SSD situation.
@CoronavirusVaccine: Absolutely fine, several games you won't even notice much difference anyway, but it does depend on the game:
Halo MCC seems to have no difference at all in campaign, Hitman 2 suprisingly is the same despite the massive install size. Doom 2016 you can definitely feel the texture pop-in if it's not on an SSD. Outer Wilds has a significant load time between lives, and most open world games (RDR2, HZD) have a massive boost on an SSD. If I'm going to have a good session of GTA V for a week, then the 2 mins to copy if back to the SSD is more than made up for in a couple of reloads anyway. Most tiny indie games have no difference but because they're small they have minimal impact on free space on my SSD so I leave most there.
I use Steam Library Manager to move games between my drives, and because I have both locations setup in Steam then it sees no difference once they get moved around, it's seamless.
@Switchblade88: Fantastic - this is very useful info. Mostly I am dealing with some overflowing emulator ROMS so from what you are saying that should work just fine. Thank you for sharing your experience!
RAID , Plex for me
Its really not a lot of storage. A single standard bluray can be 25gb.
Unless you like switching disks, most of us keep our collections on a computer.
Also, lots of us are over 30, and have a lot of music collected over our lifetime; each track in flac can be 20mb if it's complex and long; and often at least over 10mb.
Backups of your home PC, phone, or whatever, obviously take a few TB each.
Lots of people are into photos, and will have hundreds upon hundreds, easily 5mb+, without being raw (which could be 50mb+).
I honestly dont know how people can live without it if they're using the 'digital world' at all.
No, consoles don't support drives this large. It won't work on them.
I have heaps of storage, uhd blu ray are around 50gb each as are modern games. Lots of games are 50-150gb now. Believe me this drive would fill up fast.
Interesting, the previous $299 price doesn't show up on camelx3.
I think it’s because you needed prime to access the deal.
Sometimes Amazon is having "automatic discount when you put it in the cart" while "the price" stays unchanged.
Can someone tell me which hdd are inside?
Also what's SMR and should I care about it for NAS usage?
If so, does this hdd have it?
Thanks all
There's a whole lotta people here using it for NAS in these comments, and many purchasing it would be too.
It'll be fine.
Thank you. But I'd still like to know which hdd is inside?
What rpm is it?
White label, 5400rpm.
@batrarobin: Note that some (all?) White Label are reporting at 5400rpm but there's been confirmation from WD that in some cases this means "5400 rpm class" (whatever that is) And that it actually spins at 7200rpm.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/w…
The one I got from a previous deal shows as 5400 rpm and required the pin workaround. With sequential read of 200+ MB/s, it also seems more likely to spin at 7200.
@Zedster: Thank you.
I wonder if I still need to do the mod if the hdd is going into a synology nas?
with these prices getting tempting to get a few of these and backing up my 25+tb. but just struggling to find a long term solution as my array grows for occasional archiving onto an increasing number of disks. anyone know of solutions? seen weird things with making btrfs volumes, symlinking bunch of disks together, but they all seem cludgy and awkward.
If you are using Windows, I recommend Stablebit DrivePool which will create a virtual drive that spans multiple drives. Any file is saved to a single drive and the folder structure replicated across all drives in the pool. As data isn’t striped for any single file across discs etc, it means you can remove any drive from the pool and the data remains usable. You then interact only with the pooled drive so you don’t have to worry about how many physical ones you own, the software will distribute files for you.
If you want backup as well, you can combine DrivePool and SnapRaid. You set up the pool as normal but then configure SnapRaid to look at the physical drives (not the pooled drive) and can add one or more parity drives then.
I originally ran DrivePool replicating all data 1:1 but have migrated to the second setup as it was getting a bit costly to mirror everything. I’m happy with the setup and have done recoveries with it. Only thing to note is SnapRaid is not a real time parity solution so it’s best in a NAS where data is not updated frequently. Generally you update the parity once a day so your data recovery will be up to a days loss.
If you don’t require a desktop OS, maybe look at UnRaid which is a software based Raid solution which is its own OS and I believe also does pooling and parity drives.
If you want cheap cloud backup, Backblaze works with DrivePool and has no data cap. Currently have Backblaze backing up around 12TB of data for a few dollars a month.
ok interesting solution, thanks very much for the response, sounds like it might work so ill take a closer look. my server is already running unraid which is what i want to backup/archive. just so i have another copy incase that data gets lost/corrupt/whatever. trying to get closer to 3-2-1 or whatever.
ive been thinking i basically need another unraid server to act as backup; something that will pool drives dynamically, that isn't raid, etc. but unraid has a license cost and additional hardware.
but that windows drivepool solution looks very promising. i could setup a few external usb disks on main windows desktop (where i have a 10gb connection to server which is a bonus) and use that software to create virtual drive (and i assume i can add to it in future?), and then rsync or something.
I haven’t tested unraid as I have no spare drives to do so right now, but I did some reading and something that seemed to work for some of you want off site backup was to run a virtual machine on the UnRaid server running Windows, use a tool to make your UnRaid pool volume appear as a local drive in the Windows VM, and then run Backblaze on that to get cloud backup of your UnRaid volume.
Was keen to try this one day, but haven’t wanted to mess with my in place setup too much.
And yes, DrivePool on Windows makes it very easy to add or remove drives. There’s no requirements for drives to match, and the only thing to be aware of is that if you want to remove a drive without data loss, you’ll need adequate space on other drives to allow the tool to move data off the drive you are removing. The software does have a one time cost. I’ve been running it for several years and haven’t been asked to pay for any upgrades or anything but.
@Smigit: unraid is great, highly recommend it. im sure its common around here but i use it mainly for media using plex, and it's perfect. coming from synology, unraid way more powerful and flexible.
that backblaze solution is creative, im sure theres a lot of ways around their restriction haha.
ultimately the data isn't that important, but having a second copy will make me a lot more comfortable. maybe at some point i'll do a cloud backup too, it's pretty daunting that it could take 3-6 months to upload everything.
unRAID. Can use different size HDDs, as long as the largest is parity drive. Can then replace smaller ones over time with larger ones.
I just bought a couple 12TBs (arriving tomorrow apparently) from last WD deal to backup most of my main 40TB array (main is in norco 4224, backup going into terramaster f5-221 i just bought in black friday sales.
Going for the 3-2-1 method as i almost lost half my main server recently…
Sold by Amazon UK but wont let me set my delivery address to Camborne in the UK… Wanted to buy this for a relative over there, but if I go direct through Amazon UK, its $337. If I buy it through Amazon AU, its $315, "sold by Amazon UK" but wont let me deliver it to the UK. Go figure….
VAT ?
Not sure. Gave up haha
@Buz1986
As BargainKen said "VAT ?", I say probably also.
The Amazon Global store (in this case Amazon UK) would adjust price as follows:
Amazon UK price less VAT = Amazon UK ex-VAT net price
Plus 10% Australian GST + admin, customs (a few cents - bulk handling of orders amortised by Amazon or absorbed)
Plus shipping (free for Amazon Prime for orders over AUD 49.00 - shipping costs normally absorbed by Amazon Prime programme)
= Amazon AU Gross AUD price including 10% GST.
In your case, Amazon Global client, Amazon UK would have to certify that the item was indeed being exported to outside of the UK (& Europe) to be able to claim the VAT exemption… i.e. They could not ship to within the UK & Northern Ireland or Europe. The Amazon Global Client at this end is YOU via Amazon AU and would be expected to collect the anticipated Australian GST.
I do these price comparisons/conversions frequently based on the current foreign exchange (FX) selling rates. My conversions come in between a few cents or a dollar or two either way. From my experience I have yet to witness any extortionate price jacking between Amazon entities as Amazon appears to absorb the shipping, customs and admin costs on most transactions. Amazon Marketplace sellers are another matter as many of them are also eBay Marketplace sellers and are not shy about setting exorbitant selling prices and shipping costs, particularly when they are not using Amazon for fulfillment of orders.
Are these better drives than the WD 10tb model for $173?
That one was significantly cheaper per tb but not sure about the quality
if you can find those in stock :-( missed that deal by few mins.. would have bought 10.
That was a once off sale/price error. Good to those who got it.
This deal was a price error?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/589351
Don't see any comments saying it was a price error..And it was only 10 days ago so I'm a little hesitant to pull the trigger on this unless it's a much better drive..Hoping for a similar price come boxing day
There's a mention in one of the reviews that it needs the 3v trick if shucked?
It's "white label" apparently. https://youtu.be/pMudTWoMvsY
Yes, pretty much all the WD "white" drives will require the 3.3V trick on older non-NAS hardware. On my unraid box I just cut the relevant wire that supplies the drives
Thanks for clarifying.
Is there a quick tute on which wire to cut?
Plenty of YouTube videos. It is not a difficult task. You will need some insulated electrical tape for the job.
Some of the newer NAS boxes won't need the drives to be modified, but you would need to do your homework first.
Also, in the last year or so, most (but not all) are no longer WD "REDS" with a "White" label. There have been so many changes that I had to give up. Again, some good advice can be had with some of the 'How to" YouTube channels. Don't bother with any videos over a year old.
now all we need is deal for 5-Bay+ Synology NAS
Just build your own with better CPU and more ram.
and cheaper too!
They are on different league. Once a NAS user, you will never look back
Case I used $194 from Scorpion Tech: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/node/node-804/…
CPU, Ram, Mother board and Raid card add up less than 800.
Cheapest synology 8bay is around $1500 with less memory, slower cpu and only 8 bays.
@katsuya: Xpenology sounds great! Thanks for letting us know something like that exists.
I'm in the process of researching which route to take to build a nas, I thought if I don't buy synology, I can't have DSM…
I would like to ask a few questions to see if I can achieve some things with Xpenology?
1- I'm assuming it has the same expandable feature such as SHR-2?
- Plex server?
2- Is it possible to run Home Assistant
3- Is it possible to use it for my IP Hikvision cameras?
4- What about a virtual machine?
I was very close to going the unRaid route till I saw your comment
Thanks again
@katsuya: Interesting!!
So what’s your hardware configuration like and how much did it cost all in all?
@ujwols: @sirs2k @ujwols
I did mine in Sept last year, so the price is irrelevant now.
Fractal Design Node 804 $194
Intel S1151 Pentium GOLD G5400 3.7GHz Dual Core CPU PN BX80684G5400 AU $109.00
Thermaltake Smart BX1 550W 80+ Bronze Non Modular Power Supply AU $81.45
PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Network Card 1000Mbps Server Adapter Intel 82574 Chip AU $23.35
MSI Intel LGA 1151 9th Gen mATX H310M PRO-VD PLUS Desktop PC USB 3.1 Motherboard AU $89.00
Dell PERC H200 Adapter 8Port 6Gb/s SAS SATA Controller Card From AU seller AU $52.88
4 Pin IDE Molex to 2 x Dual SATA Power Cable Y Splitter Female HDD CD Adapter AU $5.95
50cm Flat Mini SAS 36Pin SFF-8087 Male to 4 SATA 7Pin Splitter Adapter Cable AU $19.33
You will not need second network card. When you purchase your motherboard, please look for one with Intel network chip, less hassle.
What is the design life on these? What's best practice to plan for failure of this type/quantity of storage (or even just normal PC HDD's)?
3-2-1
3 copies, 2 on site, 1 off site
With each copy being stored on a redundant RAID array of sorts.
3-2-1 is actually: 3 copies, 2 mediums, 1 offsite
https://www.veeam.com/blog/how-to-follow-the-3-2-1-backup-ru…
yeah but who uses tape these days (unless you want to say HDD and SSD lol)
Are there any cashback options with these as it's hard to tell now since amazon started doing everything in different categories..
What programs best to scan before shucking
grabbed 2, thanks OP
just in time .. now showing $415!
Back in stock now!
go go go
$415 now all gone
Hi everyone with these hard drive setups like NAS etc, do yous switch off the systems while the drives are not in use or are they on 24/7
As ive I have numerous 2TB hard drives over 10 years old functioning as new as I use them as offline backup storage of my files, meaning I only power them up and connected too my computer when I need too backup anything important including movies etc, I'm that paranoid I have backups of backups on the same exact 2TB drives, so in essence they probably have weeks of usage even though the drives are over 10 years old
Or is there a setting in these special HD setups (like Windows 10) were the drives will shut/spin down after a period of no use?
So again wondering do yous all keep your storage setups on 24/7
Edit: this deal is still very tempting even though I've sold my 14TB $299 Amazon deal on eBay at a profit, deal seems back on i've just noticed👍😀
Price has dropped back down again and is a tad lower… stock available
thanks OP
Thank you OP. Merry Christmas!
this is a great deal, and surprised stil running - shame they wont get here before chrissie, but ah well :)
super fast shipping ordered on17th , received today on 23rd all the way from UK
This 14Tb one should be way quieter than the 10tb which is damn noisey, based on the spec sheet for the WD red NAS drives from 8Tb to 14TB
Returned my 10Tb Elements for this one… 20db idle vs 36db….
how'd everyone go with their deliveries? Had a couple of curious aspects …
- I ordered my 2 on 18/12, ETA at that point was mid-Jan.
- despite being "Amazon UK", the tracking showed the delivery was initiated from US, then went to UK, then onward to AU
- once it reached AU, steps for the delivery showed multiple instances of "no location provided"
- when i reached to AU Post and Amazon, they were not able to advise what this meant (worrying), but assured me that my address was visible.
- arrived today 30/12, bit of damage to outer Amazon box, pretty dented corners (all still sealed)
- inside, the 2x WD boxes were poorly buffered by couple scrunched up sheets of brown paper…
My 2 drives arrived today also (In Adelaide). I never bothered checking the tracking so can't comment on that.
No damage to Amazon outer box, 2 drives inside were also buffered by the scrunched brown paper.
Just shucked the first drive and gonna chuck it in the NAS shortly.
ordered 1, got it last week
Box inside another box with one scrunched paper on one side… lol
Works fine, quiet and fast
Hi
FYI - I had 3 of these just delivered for use in home NAS
The Model number for all 3 drives is: WD140EDFZ-11A0VA0
(main label is WD140EDFZ)
E TB/3.5-inch
D Enterprise/WD Raptor®
F 10,000 RPM with 16 MB cache
Z SATA 6 Gb/s with 22-pin SATA connector
From:https://www.shoprbc.com/images/products/rbc_icecat/documents/058/mmo_31095058_1496050277_692_31784.pdf
Some Googleing around turned up
WD140EDFZ = 14TB drive
The only difference is that the WD140EDFZ support encryption on the hardware level ("D"= enterprise drive) and has a three years warranty, instead of two years.
These are all basically Western Digital Ultrastar HC530 drives, slowed down to 5400RPM and hence absolutely comparable to WD Red 14TB drives."
Some contradiction here on the spindle speed (is it 10K or 5.4K), i didn't bother to test it in a PC before putting it in the Synology where it was imminently recognized as a 14TB drive and added to volume no problems
Assuming the point about Ultrastar HC530 is true Im pretty happy with these specs:
• Fifth generation helium platform
• TDMR and Dual-stage microactuator
technology
• Rotational Vibration Safeguard (RVS)
• Media cache plus architecture
• SATA 6Gb/s and SAS 12Gb/s
• 512MB cache buffer
• 2.5M hours MTBF and 0.35% AFR
• 5-year limited warranty (obviously not when shucked from USB)
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library…
No nothing like the Ultrasta which are noisey
This drive is very quiet at idle 20db, much like the WD 14TB RED plus NAS drive, exact same specs and speed
7200rpm, helium CMR drive 210+mb sec read/write
can confirm mine is also an WD140EDFZ-11A0VA0, (ordered 21/12/2020 / arrived 6/01/2021)
Reddit 'sonic analysis' thread on the EDFZ 14TB posits that these actually run at 7200, but will only identify as 5400 rpm (as i've seen in my own crystaldiskinfo) … not exactly sure how that all works (?) but still very happy to hear that it may be the case
Great deal. I ordered two which just arrived. Seems good so far. Mine did not come with AU plugs though, so will probably have to follow up with WD.
Got my adapter from WD last week. It's different, smaller than than the included one, and comes with a slide on plug set for it.
They also included another USB 3 cable.
A travel adapter works fine with the original adapter, as a spare
Should it come with au plug? Should I ask Amazon?
what temp do your drives run at?
i'm using HDD Sentinel, reporting pretty high (IMHO) - now 1 is at 50 the other 49, and both idle… the curse of monitoring tools, now i look at those temps and i'd never thought of it before, so naturally anything i look at seems unexpected!
also i've noticed at times that while the drive appears idle (i'm busy outside of that RDP session and not copying to/from - yes i realise there'll still be some access), the activity goes to solid 100% - hard to miss with drive noise (and verified from Task Manager's "Performance" tab) .. then if i ALT-TAB restore back to that laptop's RDP window, the drive access ceases immediately and stays quiet again for awhile until i'm working on something else, then up to 100% it goes again…. any thoughts on that? Seems weird to me.
Not as good as the previous $299,but still a very good deal..