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This is the new model and rarely does the red one get discounted. Other colours have been discounted as well. Been following it for quite sometime now. Less than 10 items remaining as I ordered. Happy shopping :)
[Back Order] Gaggia New Classic Pro Cherry Red Coffee Machine $679 Delivered (RRP $999) @ Appliances Online
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Not all china made products don't last though.
which is why I said cheaply made ;)
You can't win - the MIC image is too deeply ingrained. If they make it too expenive then nobody buys. They become the scrapgoat of consumerism.
Lol anything to back that up?
Try DJI
That used to be Japan…
lasts for decades easily
Agreed, I've still got a gaggia classic from 2008, still going strong.
Only had it serviced once and had the water pump replaced.
Reminds me I need to descale and clean more often.
great crema though, can't pump out cup after cup as you need to allow the steam to get up to pressure for frothing milk after the shot, but for home use it's great.
I changed the gross plastic wand for a Rancilio steam wand, and get a proper tamper & small knock bin ;).
Edit: looks like they've fixed the steam wand on the old model to just that (by the look of it).
Very tempted by this. But I think I'm still going to wait for a deal on the Barista Pro.
The Gaggia is much better than the BBP and will last you a hell of a lot longer as long as you regularly backflush and descale at least once a year (aluminium boiler).
I upgraded to the gaggia from the barista pro and the gaggia poops all over it!
I don't think my patience can handle a single boiler. What is the shot temp to steam time?
This machine creates better microfoam when you start before the indicator light comes on. I usually hit the switch, wait 5 sec, purge for 7sec then start steaming.
This keeps the heater element on for the whole time youre steaming.That's exactly the way
This is the way
Is this the way? can someone confirm.
That's the best out-of-the-box workaround but, even better, install a PID and increase your steam temp - creates higher steam pressure and even better microfoam.
To the question above, shot to steam time is quick - both with or without a PID.
I have a PID on gaggia classic but never changed the default steam temp that came on the PID - there’s a temp fuse on the boiler which you don’t want to blow. Do you know what max safe steam temp is?
@monopoly: I've got mine set at 147 degrees C and haven't had a problem. I think below 150 is considered considered safe, but it has been a while since i did my research and sought advice, so please double check before you start playing around :)
i do the waiting trick but very keen to get the PID replacement. any recommendations?
@mrhamez: I got mine from here:
https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/
Adrian is super helpful and will assist if you get into trouble during the install.
assume allow machine to warm up 7-10 mins still
How long do you complete the process above after doing the shot, 2min?
I bought a second hand with Rancilio wand (2018) model. The machine is good, sturdy. I thought it'll be a significant upgrade from my Dedica purchased from 2018 Amazon OzBargain deal. Unfortunately it took longer to make a decent flat white. Here is a video that may be useful and it’ll answer your questions.
Good to know. However I am upgrading from a Sunbeam EM5300, so hoping this will be better!
For a Sunbeam machine, I would think so. The good thing about this machine is that it will last forever.
I usually hit the switch, purge after 10 sec and then start steaming - don't need to wait for the light to come on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czYfjWFDrjINot really an issue unless you're steaming milk and then trying to pull a shot.
As an owner of this machine, make sure you also pick up a decent tamper (58.5mm works the best).
There is also a pretty big modding community over at r/gaggiaclassicTotally agree. For most machines at this price point, the plastic tampers provided are horrible. I use a leveller!
No PID on this model ?
I'm not seeing the pid controller on that one. I think this is the variant with the PID at $1049
For slightly more I'd be tempted to buy the gaggia try and procure an ITO Leva kit for it (might requi9re some freight-forwarding shenanigans) to turn it into something capable of pressure profiling as well.. like what you can see in this thread: https://www.kaffee-netz.de/threads/einbau-von-ito-kit-in-gag…
I ended up doing my own DIY PID using a Arduino and a thermocouple for a Gaggia Classic and it works amazingly (I know not everyone might have the time or desire to muck around with anything like that but if you do it's pretty rewarding! - the internals of the machine are pretty straight forward).
you must provide details on this hack!
I'll try, I should had documented everything a bit better. Here's a braindump!
Arduino Nano clone
MAX6675 + K Type Thermocouple for temp readings
25A solid state relay (a little overkill as I think you only need to handle about 10A but better to be safe than sorry!)
Some random little 125x125 OLED colour displayMy code repo for what I'm running on the Arduino - https://github.com/jamesbrooks/espresso-pid
Runs a PID algorithm while driving a display and accepting inputs to adjust espresso/steam temperatures, as well as switch between espresso/steam temp settings (which is wired into the steam switch)Component on a breadboard, and also the final build on some veroboard can be seen here:
https://imgur.com/a/JqnZKDQIt was all very much DIY and I haven't done any electronic since high school (am a Software Engineer by trade) so it was certainly a lot of fun looking things up, trying not to suck a soldering, etc :). That said I'm very happy with how quickly I can reach and stay at a stable temperature as well as having customised a small colour display to show exactly what I want.
I also bought a pressure transducer as I was planning on rejigged it all to show the current pressure going through the machine on the display also (though this wouldn't had been quite accurate as it would had been mounted near the OPV rather than at the grouphead) but my first-born son was born a month early so it never got done. One day!
Can you show mod? Any instructions available online? That DIY kits seemed to be super expensive.
Hi! I just write a reply to chickhen above with the details of my mod if you want to check it out! Unfortunately I haven't written up any instructions as this was just something I did for myself, researching what parts I wanted and throwing them together in a way that worked for me :). The above braindump will help if you're willing to get your feet pretty wet but it's significantly more work than buying a DIY kit online (cheaper parts wise though for sure!).
@JamesBrooks: Thanks, mate. Hows your final product looks like :-)
I did a quick maths based on Banggood prices ~$60. Apparently, it sounds way harder since I am not a software engineer.
- Arduino Nano clone: $10
- MAX6675 + K Type Thermocouple for temp readings: $10
- 25A solid state relay: $15
- 125x125 OLED colour display: $15
- Veroboard: $5
- Wires, etc.: $5@azm: Looks about right, I got a lot of my components for a lot cheaper (and slower) from China. Like MAX+Thermocouple looks about the same price, but the Nano clone was $6 and the SSR was $5.50. You don't need a display or can get a cheaper one, those OLED ones can vary significantly in price, I can't find the price on the 128x128 one I got but I can see I bought a 1" 128x64 one for $6 on Ebay. Veroboard and wires I'd say yeah you can certainly chew through wiring/need to get a larger amount for cheaper but hardly use much of it. Then if you don't have a soldering iron or anything like that it will certainly inflate the price!
Have been thinking about this for a long time too. Question - recommendations for a grinder to match this?
Smart grinder pro at a minimum, otherwise sette 270
Now on the lookout for when I get some good deals on either!
I've got a Smart Grinder Pro paired with a Gaggia Classic and it works a treat!
I was actually thinking to get this machine two days ago!
I'm trying to learn how to make latte art, would you recommend this machine?
I read on the forum, they say you need to wait for quite long to do latte art back to back, is that correct?It's single boiler so there is a wait. I find going from espresso to steaming isn't too bad, going back can be a bit slower but running some water out of the boiler (cooler water entering) can help speed that up (note this is with an older Gaggia Classic, not the Pro so grain of salt!)
@JamesBrooks: Okay i see, as many have said that dual boiler is the way to go. But I am not sure whether I can fork out that 1k+ for dual boiler machine :/
@froddoog: I'm happy with my single boiler Gaggia Classic though I will say that I primarily drink espresso so I only steam milk for guests
@JamesBrooks: I have stopped drinking milk coffee for at least 4 years now. I mainly brew with v60 and Moccamaster and just black coffee too.
Looking into espresso machine to learn latte art
Macap M2M, built to last with no bells and whistles. Best if you go for the M2D with a timer.
I went with a Eureka Mignon! Tad more expensive but it's step-less and very well built!
bought thanks OP - been hanging for a coffee machine
For experienced espresso makers - this is a steal, kind of like a really nice bowling ball, useless unless you know what to do with it. A breville machine is like putting up the railings, can make a decent shot but limited in terms of ceiling.
Love the analogy
As an owner of many expensive bowling balls in my lifetime, and a drinker of a lot of coffee, this could be the most accurate analogy I have ever read.
Showing OOS
It looks available to me.
Make sure to check the output pressure and adjust accordingly, many classics (at least mind did but I don't have the Pro so take this with a grain of salt) push out about 11 Bar with an empty portafilter, you'll want to tune that down to around 10 Bar (adjusting the pressure through the OPV valve is a very simple job, plenty of YouTube videos to show you how!).
2019 onward dont have a screw thread to reduce OPV threshold. You have to either cut the spring or replace with a softer spring (Shipped from UK for around $28).
Ouch! TIL, thanks for the info!
For anyone else reading - you get three springs in the kit - from memory 5bar, 6.5bar and 9bar - and takes no more than five to 10 minutes to do. Completely reversible should anyone ever want to go back to the stock spring.. not that I'd know why you would want to - unless restoring if for a warranty claim. If you buy this machine and only do one thing to it, do this. Compulsory IMO, or you will struggle to get good shots from some beans.
@JamesBrooks
Some said 9 bar? What would be the optimal pressure? Do you think it's worth reducing? Significant improvement?9-bar is industry standard. You don’t want too high with the pressure going through the puck. The 2019 GCP has a higher pressure out of the box to be able to accommodate ESE pods. Not optimal for espresso grinds.
If you only do one thing to improve this machine, this is the thing to do. It will improve your shots big time.
I see, Thanks. I might give a try by ordering a kit from Shade of coffee UK. Mine is 2018 GC version.
@azm: Yep 9 bar is what you want to target. From what I read with my Gaggia Classic targeting 10 bar pressure with an empty portafilter should result in 9 bar once it's filled :)
It's out of stonk for me
Yeh mate, only the stainless steel now showing available for me
Can confirm the GCP is a great entry into a real espresso machine. If you're coming from pods and are new to grinding and 'dialing in' your shot, you will struggle at first, but it's worth the journey if you put in the time.
I've done the over pressure valve mod (OPV), which takes five minutes, and installed a PID (much longer job) and I'm producing excellent espresso. For the money, you would be hard-pressed to do better.
If you want to look ahead at mods, Adrian at Shades of Coffee (aka Mr Shades) is excellent: https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/ Check out his PID kits, OPV mod kit and low-profile trays etc.
Then, starts the rest of the fun - once you're on the espresso and home barista rollercoaster, you're on! As per another post, if you want to press a button and 'get' espresso, this isn't for you. If you want to learn about coffee, and put in the time to understand your tool and the craft, go for it :)
PS. I started with the Smart Grinder Pro. Have now paired my GCP with a Niche Zero for grinding.
bought one recently and the porterfilter keeps falling off. anyone else have this issue?
Group head seal is possibly worn, or it may need a 0.5mm spacer
Opinions on this vs the Racillio Silvia?
Both are very capable.
GC has an aluminium boiler vs the Silvia's brass boiler. The brass boiler won't scale as easily. Silvia has a larger boiler but also takes a little bit longer to heat up. The steam wand on the Silvia is more powerful. GC has a much smaller footprint, also the housing is stainless steel so not subject to the rust issues on the Silvia drip tray (not an issue if you wipe up every time).
Silvia v6's drip tray is SS as well fyi. The steam wand is as powerful as commercial machine, so may need some time to get used to for household user.
Silvia definitely the better machine, brass boiler holds temp better and for longer. Steam wand is better. Though more expensive RRP, could buy a second hand one if you know it's had a good past owner.
The average user will be very hard pressed to find fault with either, though the silvia's nearly twice the price of this. If i was going to spend Silvia Money, I'd save a little more and get a Hx from ECM, Lelit or Rocket
Its amazing how far the silvia pricing has gone up, unfortunately if it was this vs the silvia for the same price its a no brainer to get the silvia
Just googled that Leli, seems to cost about the same as the Silvia
Lelit makes a few different models some of them are single boiler machines similar to the Silvia. Some are heat exchanger machines with an e61 grouphead like the Mara. Others still are dual boiler like the Bianca.
@simulacrum: I think the Bianca is my dream machine. Hopefully one day haha.
For now the Lelit Anna is doing more than just fine!!!
@bugsbunny: Its a very pretty machine. I was lucky enough to get the Mara for my birthday, which I promptly modded with a bianca pressure paddle. I've paired it with a Niche Zero I was lucky enough to get at an early crowdfunding price… I'm very happy with my setup given the amount of bench space I have to play with.. but , this hobby being what it is, I'm sure upgradeitis will strike eventually.
@simulacrum: Lelit Mara is an awesome birthday gift! Good work on the Niche Zero too. Great setup and would look amazing together.
Upgradeitis is definitely real. I’ve only had the Lelit Anna for not even 4 months haha but I’ve already began looking at alternatives. I think I’ll try and keep this for a long time (at least 10 years maybe) before even thinking about getting an upgrade. But I think I’ll definitely stick with Lelit.
@simulacrum: It's great fun! Hope you're enjoying your Niche. Mine arrived in January and I still get a kick out of using it every day. I'll miss that daily enjoyment when I eventually return to working in the office more frequently once this pandemic shindig resolves…
@fookos: Do you notice a big difference with the Niche? It looks like a very good grinder, maybe something I’d consider if my grinder ever dies I guess. I’ve got a Eureka Mignon Silenzio that’s about 4 months old so not sure if that’ll happen anytime soon =S
@bugsbunny: It's a good question, but note my benchmark prior to that was a Breville Smart Grinder Pro.
Naturally, the Niche Zero is a step up in grind consistency, it's stepless, much quieter, much less retention (very important to me as I switch back and forth between beans a lot).
Most importantly, I could taste the difference in the cup immediately.
I've been single dosing for a long time - even with the Breville - so the workflow with the Niche is perfect for me. I don't have a lot to compare it with, but I am really happy with it.
I'll probably still hang onto the Breville for when I'm grinding larger volumes for batches of cold brew etc.
How does this compare to the Breville Barista Express Espresso Machine BES870?
I've been quoted $650 for the Breville
I assume it is a completely different (lower) league compared to something like a Rocket Apartmento?
Single boiler vs Heat exchanger. I'd say get a heat exchanger or dual boiler unless you drink black only.
The Appartamento you're paying for asthetics and ability to pump out consecutive milk drinks quickly.
But there are many machines that make the Appartamento look gaunt - so it's really a budget consideration. It's nice there's a strong mod community for these which you're not going to find with the Rocket, if you like to tinker and get the best bang for the buck.
Not necessarily. These punch way above their weight.
I'm on a Lelit Mara X now. Cracker of a machine.
That Lelit looks like nice machine, $2200 vs $660 though, but probably the natural upgrade path. Haven't found a need to upgrade the Gaggia yet, only make one cup a day (maybe two on the weekends).
Could do some more modding if I get bored, originally paired it up with a sunbeam em0480 grinder which you'd probably upgrade first but still going fine (pardon the pun, after the washer mod it actually does go finer).
Yeah of ‘coarse’ you’d upgrade the grinder first hehe
Spend the apartmento money on a grinder first and get a basic machine (like this) then upgrade your machine. Your apartmento will taste the same as a breville/sunbeam if you use a crappy grinder.
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I have one and I can only say that this machine is amazing.
Also love the fact that is not cheaply china made but it's made to last years.