Wondering what everyone's choice for a type of car is out of traditional diesels, petrols, and then hybrids, PHEVs and EVs, for your personal circumstances and preference?
What Is Your Preferred Type of Car? (Diesel/Petrol/Hybrid/PHEV/EV)
jsrz18 on 24/10/2020 - 15:43
Last edited 28/10/2020 - 09:28 by 1 other user
Last edited 28/10/2020 - 09:28 by 1 other user
Poll Options
- 172PETROL
- 58DIESEL
- 71HYBRID (i.e. Toyota Hybrids)
- 19PHEV
- 190EV
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What’s the insurance like?
EVs, because I have more sensitive conscience than most
Daily - EV with long range
Weekend - 4x4 (currently diesel)Why does the daily need long range? You will charge nightly.
Someone is trolling you, at least it will only last 5 comments :-)
I live in the south west and travel frequently to Perth for work (450km).
Were lucky and this is exactly what we have. Converted a BMW 318 ten years ago to all electric. 110km range, 0-100 in ~9 seconds. Perfect around town car - very rare the 110 km isn;t enough for the day.
Second car is a Prado. We did a year around Oz last year, and they are an amazing car out of the box. Does for camping/towing/away trips, but normally sits in the garage otherwise.
Wow, never knew you can do this.
Can you convert any petrol car to EV? How much did it cost you back then to complete the project?
Yes you can convert anything, but it doesn't make sense to convert something that is big and heavy or that you won't want to drive for 10 years. So picking the right donor car for your needs/desires is critical.
My car cost about $25k for donor car + conversion (did a lot of the work myself). But has since been going 10 years with no servicing cost (other than tyres, brake pads and windscreen wiper blades) and cheap recharging via solar.
This gives you and idea of what people have done in the past. http://www.evalbum.com/
@Lead Wings: Nice. What size and sort of batteries are you using?
Converted classic is a dream for me. I’d even contemplate it for my ute if the engine blows up. Only problem being it won’t be an overnight solution.
@Euphemistic: @Euphemistic, batteries are 45 x 160 Ahr LiFePO4 cells. 180 kg worth of batteries!
When I did it I was all enthusiastic and did a write-up which should answer most of your questions https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?t=2437
@[Deactivated]: Pack is 45 cells, nominally 144V (ie peaks out at around 152V when finish charge, drops back to 148 as soon as it is used). 160 Ahr cells, so 45 cells x 3.4V x 160 AHr = 24.5 kWhr pack.
I'm a little curious as to why more people prefer EVs and petrol cars over PHEVs and Hybrids when I thought that, particularly PHEVs, were the best of both worlds without the respective drawbacks of EVs and petrol cars. Am I missing something here?
I have had my PHEV for about 3 weeks and am loving being able to commute on battery power, then run around on longer trips with great economy. Definitely the best of both worlds at the moment.
But I think until the price for them is at parity with ICE’s, and destination charging becomes more convenient (not that it’s necessary), they’ll remain niche.
is PHEV short form of petrol hybrid or plug in hybrid?
Hybrids are a compromise. Extra weight and complexity etc. sure, they save some fuel, but ultimately an EV is more efficient. Petrol vehicles are just what everyone is used to with plenty of power and relatively convenient refueling.
No one seems to have answered your question to I will have a go:
EVs: People willing to pay a bit more and inconvenience themselves slightly by having to charge, for the dozens of benefits and to recoup their investment in not paying petrol and servicing
PHEV: Best of both worlds in some ways, but still have to pay servicing of an ICE motor and replace a battery at some point in the distant future, so the worst of both worlds in some ways (but you do recoup money through the efficiency of the vehicle)
Petrol: People who love their old school engines, give zero f's about the environment (at least not to the point it costs them any money), don't want upfront costs, are over compensating for that one trip a year they drive 500kms, or just don't understand new tech, or truly need a car for constant long tripsReally, when the batteries get good enough, or the hydrogen is available at a decent price, the only car that will be required for everyone is the pure EV
ah I had completely forgotten about hydrogen. However, I had read somewhere (can't remember where) that hydrogen costs significantly more to fill up so I couldn't see the reason in choosing hydrogen over petrol at this point in time. Unless of course that changes and it significantly undercuts the cost of filling up with petrol I'd definitely be interested.
Hydrogen is great. Burns cleanly, Virtually unlimited. However it is quite energy intensive to produce which makes it less green for vehicles than battery technology. It’s also difficult to store being a volatile gas. Hindenburg anyone?
Away from ozbargain, in reality many people like hybrids, Toyota's in particular. If Toyota hybrid's were a brand, they would be the 7th largest brand in Aus so far this year.
Just plain petrol right now.
Hybrids would be nice, but plug ins have the same issues as EVs and no kind are available in the type of car I want.
EVs are looking fantastic (not quite what I want yet, but Tesla's would be close enough), I want to get on board. But I live in Darwin. Infrastructure here is non existent and if I ever wanted to move or drive anywhere else in Australia is just couldn't happen with an EV. So until the day our Gov feels like investing in that infrastructure I'll have to stick to petrol.
Can't wait for the day that infrastructure comes though, because it'll be awesome to basically never have to worry about "refuelling".
Electric Vehicles are so much fun. Test drove a Mercedes Electric SUV last year in Germany. Not sure what the model was because it was just a random demo in one of their car factories.
F1
I like EV, but the cost and infrastructure is just not sufficient in Australia currently. Because of this, my next car (picking up this week) is a hybrid vehicle.
infrastructure is there now, 70 fast charging stations from NRMA along in NSW, and you can drive from north to south along the eastern seaboard with a tesla. Bu they are pricey, not everyone wants to spend 70k on a car.
(not sure what the infrastructure is like in the rest of Oz)
It’s funny how people who have done zero research claim that the infrastructure ‘isn’t there now’. It is. You only need fast chargers on the freeways, and you can drive from Adelaide to far North Queensland fast charging the whole way.
Its my prerogative to state my opinions on the infrastructure to support EV vehicles. It is funny how some people like to assume 'others' have not done their research. Did you automatically assume I meant charging stations when I used the term "infrastructure"?
To 'assume' anything just makes an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'.
What, your house doesn’t have power plugs?
@[Deactivated]: Sorry, dont live in a house (trailer). Not everyone can afford one. Again assumptions.
One that starts when I sit in it
Currently driving petrol and have been interested in EV for some time but until their price drops lower for the features, I won't bite just yet.
I once saw a Tesla in the wild, I swear the only thing I could hear is the dirt getting picked up by the wheel while it was driving.
I thought that was cool. That said, I am not a car person, so my choice when I need a new car would probably depend on how cheap the car is and how easy it is to maintain the car. So probably not a Tesla right now with the infrastructure.
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I wanna drive a V16 monster truck some day…..and do cool trick shots on it….
id love to own a tesla in the future with a solar roof house. no more petrol
if money is no consideration, EV. But since it is a consideration, petrol.
I drive low KMs, so my pollution is actually low and EVs are not cost efficient or carbon neutral for low KM drivers. So I have no guilt driving a petrol car. I still would love to drive an EV for the technology inside it.
If hybrids were the same price as petrol engines, I'd take the hybrid.
Low rev diesel. My little vw caddy runs off the smell of an oily rag. Can throw most things in the back, lock it up and weather proof. Can tow a 4/6 full of garden soil if needed.
Father and law always carrying on about getting an aftermarket electric thruttle adjuster or something. But im happy it being a little John deer gator slow off the mark.
Panel vans need to make a comeback lol.
If money is no object and I want the latest, coolest technology, of course I want a full Electric SUV for daily use, and maybe another Diesel/Petrol or Hybrid for long trip. Economically, the price of an EV is way too high that you can't compensate for the fuel saving, even 20K driving everage each year for 10 years.
Until they can make the price of EVs just about 20% Max 30% higher of a comparable fuel vehicle, the popularity of Evs is still out of reach for many people.
I've relatively recently moved to diesel (from petrol). Gotta say I'm enjoying the diesel a lot better than the ones that used to rattle around the UK 20-odd years ago. They still have a bit of diesel noise about them, but ultimately are pretty quiet. Fuel economy is great especially in a city setting.
I'd consider a hybrid along the Toyota model, but the PHEVs and EVs are just not there yet for my money.
just got a diesel car.
a 55L tank gets me about 800km.
I used to fill up once a week on petrol but on diesel its once every 2 weeks now.
Hummer EV
Affordable EV safe people mover…they just don't exist in AU.
Bicycle or, for heavier trips, a cargo bike.
I drive a Turbo Petrol SUV at the moment because there was no Hybrid equivalent at the time I purchased. I also don't do the K's to rationalise a turbo diesel as DPF's are expensive buggers to fix if you don't keep them clean.
I would however, consider a Hybrid SUV like the RAV4 for my next car and I think they're the sweet spot in our current market.
Pure EV Car's don't fit the build for one car families yet. If you need one car to do it all, road trips etc- an EV isn't the car for you IMHO.
If I was to travel down to Margaret River for the weekend from Perth, I'd potentially need to recharge part way. The infrastructure just isn't there yet to meet everyone's needs, everywhere in Australia but if you're never going to use the car like that, then it's possibly the right option for you!So for me, right now and for the next 5 years, I forsee Hybrids being the sweet spot in the market. Toyota have proven this is the case with the Hybrid RAV4. They've nailed the brief and filled a void in the market that wasn't being adequately met. As a result of this, it's the highest selling SUV ever in Australia. The "new" Toyota we're seeing is a good thing.
When fast charging infrastructure is more widespread you will see us hit the tipping point. EV's will become more acceptable as a broad use car.
Would rather love to have hydrogen-powered car If you're asking for favorite one, but of course too costly and lacks hydrogen infrastructure
Hence diesel if not hydrogen atm
Any car gets me from A to B safely.
I would really like to have an EV but the poor (super?)charging network makes me rule it out of the consideration every time.
How often do you need to charge quickly away from home? Majority of the time you could start every day with a full charge. On the odd occasion for a trip you could probably find a charger, or charge overnight at destination.
Many people seem to think they need to be able to find a charge every day when the reality is that you probably won’t need to charge away from home very often. It not like petrol where you can’t get fuel from the driveway overnight.
it depends on where you live and where you take a trip to. I can tell you right now that you won't find charging stations every where you want/need to go. Charging mid trip forces you to stop for potentially a long period of time and you also may need to plan your trips around charging up your car. That's an extra sticking point a lot of people still aren't willing to take
Of course it depends, but it seems it’s those once or twice a year trips that are stopping EV sales. ‘The dream’ of adventure that rarely happens.
Many second vehicles rarely go any further than commuting around town.
My car is our second family car. It has done two trips over 1hr this year and I’m pretty sure I could have switched cars if required for those longer trips. I chose not to because I don’t mind driving it but my wife does mind (a bit). If I had 200km of range it would be plenty. I’m sure on that rare occasion I’d be able to find a charger near my destination.
@Euphemistic: That's why I think an EV makes sense for those with two cars, but not one.
If you need a jack of all trades, an EV isn't it. A Hybird is IMHO.Our Sunday driving driving can easily jump up to 2hrs of driving if we do Church, In-laws, Friends house and back home. I know I'd be sweating a little if I didn't plug in at any one of those locations along the way..
@Buckshot: That would depend on your range. 2hrs, I’m guessing in city - probably 120km. Even 2hrs country is only 200km and typical range for current EVs would be over 200km.
@Euphemistic: True but there are always variables.
1) You do 200km and need to recharge for the return trip. Do you have access to fast charging or only standard single phase?
2) The cars that have excellent range are typically quite pricey.. Tesla are leading the way but you're looking at an entry level price of what.. 75k?
3) EV's under that price, you'll be lucky to get 300km and they won't be a large family car. Hyundai Ioniq is probably the best value for money but it isn't a large car. 443L boot size.
A couple of things need to happen for EV's to become more accepted.
- More charging stations, Petrol stations could do with having some fast charge stations
- EV Prices drop
- Larger range of EV's to the market.I think the fact that one of the biggest manufacturers hasn't really dipped it's toe into full EV's yet should tell us something. Hybrids are where we're at on the whole still.
1) You do 200km and need to recharge for the return trip. Do you have access to fast charging or only standard single phase?
You’ve moved the goalposts. You mentioned 2hrs on a Sunday, not 4hrs, and you also didn’t clarify what sort of driving you do. again I’m guessing but if you visit 4 locations they likely aren’t all separated purely by 100km/h zones.
Your typical 2hr Sunday drive would be covered by current EV range.
Of course, we haven’t reached that tipping point of enough charging points because there aren’t enough EVs to use them. It will come.
@Euphemistic: True, I did unintentionally move the goal posts. My bad.
Regardless, If I had a one car family, I wouldn't want my car to be hemmed in by it's battery range and slow charging in between stints. I don't want to have to rent a family car of some description just because I want to travel outside the range of my EV or have to plan my trip around charging for several hours/specific locations that offer fast charging.
We are currently at an impasse where the EV Cars aren't both practical and affordable and the infrastructure isn't there to support it.
So, you nailed it. We haven't reached the tipping point. There aren't enough EV's, they're not affordable and practical yet (pick one). Which is why I won't consider buying one, yet. That time will come though.
I don't want to have to rent a family car of some description just because I want to travel outside the range of my EV or have to plan my trip around charging for several hours/specific locations that offer fast charging.
While we have the option it doesn’t seem sensible, it I reckon early adopters of petrol cars were fairly careful planning their trips around limited infrastructure. There would have been plenty of people saying why would you want something so limited when all You need is some water and grass for a horse.
We are currently at an impasse
Not really an impass. We’ll get through it. Ta more like a hill start and we haven’t worked out how to manage the clutch and the handbrake at the same time.
Using a turbo petrol car right now. The budget was the bigger defining factor when we bought it. It was down to either the petrol or diesel for what we wanted; we went with the petrol considering the shorter kms we do on a regular basis.
I’m all for EVs but currently they’re prohibitively expensive, for us, and the charging infrastructure is limited and inconvenient. Hybrids/PHEV seem like a good compromise but again they come with their disadvantages in having something that is arguably more complex to service.
When it comes around to replacing our car in the next couple of years, I’m assuming we’ll have a closer look at the electrified cars.
I thought exactly the same as you mate.
EVs are the way to go but choice is limited and price is too high now. Perhaps things will change in the coming decade and we have better choice and well priced vehicles.
In the meantime, I think a PHEV with a decent 100kms EV only range would be really useful for most people. Sadly, even these cars are way too expensive compared to their non PHEV models.Some of the high price for EVs can be attributed to ‘early adopters’. People with cash to buy more expensive vehicles want all the bells and whistles and long range etc. When EVs become more mainstream they’ll have more Yaris equivalents at a lower price rather than the large luxury barges we have now.
Diesel atm because my family needs at least a 6 seater. We have an Outlander. Maybe EV when the Cybertruck comes out. I like the idea of how reliable they should be, how rugged it should be (I live remote) and the ~700+k range. We also have Tesla batteries on the farm…
EV but only when buying one makes economical and practical sense.
Well if I were to rank them
- EV
- PETROL
- DIESEL
- PHEV
- HYBRID
Hybrids are the worst, all the environmental impacts of producing both types of drive chains and energy storages (petrol tank and a battery), more complex and more likely for something to fail.
Problem with EV ownership adoption is you basically need to be a home owner to have home charging or rent in an affluent apartment equipped with (enough) charging spots, as well as, not live out somewhere far from common chargers if you need to take longer journeys.
Oh and they're still a bit out of reach for a big segment of the market, when EVs become used and there's confidence in those cars, that'll help, plus obviously more options at lower price points.
Mr Fusion, and runs on garbage.
Mr Fusion only powered the time machine, the engine still needed regular gasoline 😁
Shhh! Quit ruining my fantasy :P
I want a telsa but they cost way too much so I prefer petrol 😁
Currently drive a diesel ute which I like (2017 Triton, 7.6L/100km), which I hope will be my last ICE vehicle. In ~2022/2023 I'll trade up to an EV ute which hopefully drives itself.
Lots of people opting for Petrol but have they driven one of the Hybrids, PHEV or EV?
Recently got Hybrid changed from Petrol and my fuel consumption has cut down to more than half. Thats a very good saving, its like car is paying for its Rego & RACQ membership.
Smooth drive and better for environment, if anyone cares.I was surprised so many petrol votes. I went diesel 2 cars ago and will never go back.
I'm no longer an EV hater - I can see that they are starting to get some realistic ranges that might one day be practical for me.
(I'll never have an extra vehicle for the daily commute with more than 2 wheels.)I'm just curious how they'll get to the 2400km range I need: 800km on a full charge with swappable batteries or super-fast charging??
I only just bought my latest diesel - I'm sure they'll work something out by the time I'm ready.I thought long and hard about a Diesel.
I was tossing up between a X3, GLC250 or Tiguan R Line 162 petrol.
A lot of SUV's in the market I was looking at only come in Diesel. VW were one of the few that had a petrol option.85% of my driving is <10km.
I don't want DPF issues.I wonder why they haven't come up with a solution for that - doesn't it just require a heap of heat to burn off the rubbish? I thought the ICE was really good at producing heat.
imo the best thing about diesel is the zippiness around town.@SlickMick: So Toyota have a function to heat up their DPF's to burn off the garbage but that was a remedy to an issue that was uncovered which instigated a massive recall.
Most manufacturers say you need to get the car up to 80-100kmh for a sustained period of time to get the DPF cleared out.
Purchased a hybrid for the cheaper cost compared to bigger battery types due to NSW electricity grid mix meaning hybrid came out on top from a lifetime CO2 emissions standpoint. Don't regret it. Hyundai ioniqs are nice.
Did test drive the electric version. It is very nice. For around town second car I'd definitely grab a cheap(er) one
Due to not having owned an electric or hybrid etc, I have voted petrol - that’s what I’m familiar with but I’m willing to try a hybrid.
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Is your EV vehicle silent when running? Have you found any issues whereby pedestrians accidentally cross your path because they did not hear you coming down the road?