Wondering what everyone's choice for a type of car is out of traditional diesels, petrols, and then hybrids, PHEVs and EVs, for your personal circumstances and preference?
What Is Your Preferred Type of Car? (Diesel/Petrol/Hybrid/PHEV/EV)
jsrz18 on 24/10/2020 - 15:43
Last edited 28/10/2020 - 09:28 by 1 other user
Last edited 28/10/2020 - 09:28 by 1 other user
Poll Options
- 172PETROL
- 58DIESEL
- 71HYBRID (i.e. Toyota Hybrids)
- 19PHEV
- 190EV
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4WD!
Flying 4WD
Why do you need wheels to fly ?
Big puffy diesel and little hybrid
best of both worlds!
Indeedy.
Same!
I always keep my hybrid in the back of my diesel pickup - never know when you might need it!
haha
There's a lack of charging stations, you have to wait significantly longer for it to charge vs filling it up with petrol or diesel (no matter how advanced the "fast charge first x% in y minutes" tech is) and the battery capacity decreases every charge cycle.
If you charge overnight at home you can leave every morning with a full tank and never visit a charge (fuel) station. EV is perfect for a daily around town commuter vehicle, but do agree they aren’t ideal for the big Aussie holiday trip - yet.
There are electric vehicles with quite high kms on their original batteries. Yes, they do degrade but not as much as the good old NiMh rechargeables. If you manage their temperature and balance the charge etc they last a long time.
Actually making those batteries is seriously bad for the environment and for the poor people mining the minerals. Electric cars are a long way from being eco-friendly.
What do you mean bad for the environment….? You mean internal combustion engines will also be better than electrically powered? What about steam powered? That's pretty environmentally friendly…..where are you steam powered cars and bikes?? We got steam powered trains….or did…..which are replace with electric ones….
@Zachary: I mean this: http://www.lithiummine.com/lithium-mining-and-environmental-…
Similar for Cobalt.@bmerigan: A significant use for cobalt is single use in refining petroleum. At least in batteries it can be reused later.
In the words most recently of one Malcom Turnbucket, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. EVs are much, much more eco friendly than their existing fossil fuelled relatives in the worst case scenarios. They can of course get better, and they will, including the recycling of components. The Nissan Leaf for example:
At the end of life of the Nissan Leaf a new life starts with recycling: 99% of the car and 100% of the lithium car can be recovered. Since the battery maintains 80% of its capacity after 5 years of use it can be given a second life, otherwise it can be dismantled and its materials recovered.
From https://zerowasteeurope.eu/2011/02/nissan-leaf-zero-waste/
No cars are environmentally friendly. The footprint of EVs is demonstrably smaller than that of most ICE's after a year or less, if not out the gate.This is all easily searchable information.
And now you’re the Exhibit B of wilful ignorance
FMDOn a positive note, with petrol cars, at least you can help governments with questionable human rights records stay in power a bit longer by buying their petrol.
@ialam99: As opposed to these human rights: https://up-magazine.info/en/planete/ressources-naturelles/55…
Total nonsense. Yes they are bad for the environment, just as my stapler is bad and my pencil. But throughout their life they have nothing like the same impact on the environment as ICE engines.
You've swallowed too much coolaid.
Electric vehicles are being forced on us because of climate change, not because they're ready.
This statement is beyond ridiculous. Who is forcing electric vehicles on you? The overwhelming majority of cars on the road are petrol, the overwhelming majority of cars sold are petrol. The largest car manufacturers in the world don't even make electric cars.
I for one, wish they were forced on us. Imagine a $35k AUD Tesla landed!
Electric vehicles aren't being forced upon anyone. They are just another option that will join the market. Ultimately you will be able to choose between petrol, diesel, EVs or whatever you want to buy. I don't think that more choice in the market hurts.
Ultimately petrol and diesel are headed for the pages of history. For passenger vehicles diesel is already on the way out, especially in Europe.
yeah I'll wait for Toyota to release their range, apparently in 2025
Diesel 4x4 ute
Diesel for rural availability.
4x4 because I drive place that aren’t bitumen.
Ute because of ohs laws.
Why ohs?
Some dangerous goods can’t be carried in the passenger compartment of a vehicle and the boot of a car/wagon is considered the passenger compartment.
I'd prefer an EV. Smoother, quieter drive, and smoother effortless launch. I know good petrol and diesel cars are capable of smooth touring like drives, but it's built into the EV. I hate feeling g-forced when driving or being driven, lurching around corners, being pushed into the back of your chair when launching, feeling your guts move around. Like in Initial D, I need the full cup of water to not spill for it to be a comfortable drive. I know EVs are more capable of gluing you to the back of your chair than most cars, but it's not necessary to the experience. You can launch your cars gently if you choose to.
feeling your guts move around
Stop eating so much cake and learn to drive properly…
I've noticed even EV buses and coaches are smoother. The diesel ones rattle around and take off like a bumper car. But the EV ones are quiet and move smoothly across the road like a dainty ice skater.
Technically a bumper car is an EV, just saying….
The rattling will be an aspect of the diesel, but the “take off” will likely be due to a poorly designed/maintained transmission or driver error. I’ve worked with some really good truck drivers and except for our low quality bumpy roads they could initial D a coffee.
@mapax: I suppose soon enough self driving cars will ensure everyone gets a really smooth drive. People will want it to be smooth enough to eat a bowl of soup, or lay out a scrabble board or something. It won't be like the scifi movies where self driving cars launch away like rocket ships at full speed onto the hover car highway. People won't put up with that just to save a few seconds. Your hot soup would end up all over your lap.
Even in my petrol car, the vibrations from just idling kinda annoy me.
@Ultimate Gattai: Isn't it great we live in a world where having engine rattle is now an option. feelsgoodman.jpg
I hate feeling g-forced when driving or being driven, lurching around corners, being pushed into the back of your chair when launching, feeling your guts move around.
This has got nothing to do with petrol vs. electric cars. This is just physics. Doesn't matter whether you're in an electric car, petrol car, or being dragged on a stakeboard.
I suppose electric cars having no gears and no need to try and ramp up more power changes peoples behaviour when driving.
Tell that to the bus driver that fangs his bus leaving the kerb in front of my old place, some bus drivers could manage to be civilised, but with EVs they don't have to be and it still runs quiet and smooth
ICEs usually have higher CoG and almost always have to deal with transmissions, even simplified ones like modern dual clutch or CVTs. Sure EVs usually have something resembling a 'transmission' but they're very much divorced from the clunky ones in even the newest ICE vehicles.
Where's the forced induction petrol option?
And what about methanol?
Biodiesel is the real ozbargainers choice of fuel…
I'm after the back to the future option where you can run a car using a banana peel.
What is the actually point of the survey without knowing the use case? A little old lady living in the city has pretty different needs to a brick layer in the country.
it is literally your use case and your preference
I’d prefer an EV, but they are out of price range for now for me.
Ideal situation would be a hybrid 4wd capable of towing a caravan and a an EV ute for daily commutes etc with a range of around 150km
yeah in 15 years or so from now I'd probably see my self with an EV for the daily commute and a regular petrol one for the weekends
In 15 years we’ll probably have electric for both.
The Rivian R1 electric ute has a claimed 640km range (400miles) and huge tow capacity to be released next year. Not cheap, but shows where things are headed.
15 years of development on top of that will be great. Also will have 15years to develop a charge network to deal with it.
I think in remote Australia, until you can put electricity in a jerrican, the combustion/hybrid engine would stick around for a while.
@AncientWisdom: Agree. But rather than outback stations running diesel generators they’ll have solar and battery as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if we get more electric cars with fossil fuel generators for range extender for outback travel - hybrids.
@AncientWisdom: We'll soon see Hydrogen Electric Vehicles for this reason, so the petrol will too decline
the petrol car for the weekends was more so a V8 for fun, not really for camping like you. That said I do expect in 15-20 years for range to be substantially large on electric cars, as you would typically expect with years of development.
I can see myself owning something like a Tesla in that time period, they're not too far off what a standard ICE car can manage (I get almost 2 weeks before filling up my car, so that's less than 520kms a fortnight).
@Ultimate Gattai: And if you start thinking daily, electric cars are filled up every night in the garage.
Additionally an electric car can double as home power. The car will learn your routines and power the home instead of drawing power at peak rate from the grid. It will then recharge during off peak rates and still give you a full tank every day.
It’s a whole change to the way we generate and distribute electricity.
Red
Petrol V8, AMG ideally. Some day…
Better be quick. AMG are not making the v8 anymore?
The heart yearns. The head can't justify.
Twin turbo… Oh yeaaaahhh
I just did exactly that a few weeks ago…midlife crisis 6.2L AMG V8 now trumps 20 years of sensible car purchasing. It's amazing how the leather seats are still in perfect condition after 14 years, and that V8…
Very jealous, enjoy it well. Esp in this weather.
OoC what does a 14 year old v8 AMG go for in good nick?
I was going to get a W212 ('09-'11) E63 model but they all seemed to be in the mid 40s to low 50s and had some sort of hole in the service history, and all I viewed had the old (problematic) engine head bolts so that would need attention. In the end I found a W211 ('06-'09) which I got sub-$30k; I'll need to spend a couple of grand on engine preventative maintenance and I'm replacing most front-end suspension components to tighten up the ride, so I think I'll be into it for about $35k all done. You need to be smart with parts; I've seen quotes locally for 4x the price of OEM imports.
@knasty: yeah I know a couple of blokes who like their BMWs and Mercs and they are on a good wicket but all say the same thing, that if you rely on regular mechanics or the dealer networks they are ridiculously expensive to maintain, and the only way around it is to do your research up front, source your own parts and do basic maintenance yourself
Isn’t the 6.2L notoriously unreliable? I wouldn’t like to be doing repairs on an AMG V8. From my understanding the 4.0TT V8 is much more reliable.
True, and about 40k more to buy. There's mixed views on the reliability; there are known issues which can be resolved but also a view that the vast majority of them are still going without blowing up so after 10 years you would already know if there were major issues. I baked some preventative work into the purchase price to cover it; only time will tell.
@knasty: I mean the 6.2 does sound amazing. I'm assuming you got a C63, what's the fuel economy like?
@[Deactivated]: I went E63 as I have a family of 5 and that way I can use it as a family cruiser as well. I haven't done a long highway run yet but on a trip across Sydney with 70% arterial roads it averaged 10L/100ks.
Only the early first generation ones with head stud and camshaft problems
I concur
I would like to see V8 Hydrogen ICE manual vehicles (HICEV).
4WD Diesel, preferably Pajero, Land cruiser , Hilux or Triton
but I am broke :(Ozbargainer: no insurance, something under the bonut thingy, no roof racks, $80k high yield investment vehicle.
What did I miss?
Bonut cracks me up every time
Bonut is a classic.
Must have missed that reference… Link?
@Guybrush57: Short version: clueless guy buys 2k Kia which overheats withing a few km, uses the word 'bonut' (instead of bonnet) which emphasises said cluelessness, fun comments ensue
Nuclear…
LPG
Emits around 10-12% less CO2 than petrol, burns cleaner so there is less carbon buildup over time, and emits far less NOx and other nasties than diesel.
Range and onboard storage can be a challenge, but the latter is a non-issue in my dual fuel 380 (just switch back to petrol if I do run out of LPG), I don’t do enough km/year for the LPG range to really bother me anyway, and the boot is still roughly the size and shape of a Mazda 3 hatch with additional width, with additional space either side of the LPG cylindrical tank to slot in more stuffs.
The $/100km is still very hard to beat for the engine performance, longevity, real world active and passive safety, and vehicle interior space refinement and comfort on offer, especially at my purchase price 7 years ago ($8.4k - even cheaper these days!). It has allowed my wife and loved ones many road trips that I otherwise could not afford!
Dedicated LPG Commodore here.
back down 60c/L recently too.
Yes - love not having to waste time queuing for cheap petrol, due to the price cycles being more annual in nature I think.
Is the 380 factory fitted or after market?
Factory approved Impco Sequent 56 system. My booklet suggests the previous owner installed mine at just under 46,000km.
More info here: https://www.goauto.com.au/new-models/mitsubishi/380/mitsubis…
Yes I'm glad someone said it, and the other great part about LPG is Australia is self-sufficient in supply to minimise sovereign risk.
Everyone is worried about fuel supplies in case of major world events and/or conflicts…. Australia has/is shutting down almost all of its refineries and has just days supply in Australia with some reserves paid for in Hawaii they still have to get across to Australia.Problem is LPG network is in decline due to the taxis not using it anymore and it is at risk. Plus a lack of factory installed choices without Ford / Holden / Mitsub factories here making dedicated LPG. Read this https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/688-the-forgotten-fuel-autogas…
We should be trying to revive it as a nation as an intermediate fuel whilst electric matures together with natural gas buses and trucks.
I'd prefer a Diesel Range Rover. What i can afford on the other hand is something a lot less flash….
All of the above.
Matchbox over Hotwheels
I would stick to petrol cars. Electric and hybrids batteries are expensive to replace and the car price premium one have to pay does not justify it.
You dont have to replace the batteries that often, you would probably change your car before the battery needs to be changed. I own a hybrid which cost me about $3k more than the petrol model. My petrol consumption has almost halved after switching to a hybrid. That savings combined with the $100 I get off my rego every year (VIC) and the ride comfort and silence of EV mode makes this a no brainer for me.
10 year old EV resale value is surely poor given the battery degradation
only cars with non-cooled batteries suffer from degredation and therefore depreciation. The cooled batteries (which is soon to be all of them, and it already the vast majority), degrade very slowly. One stufy on Teslas shows they degrade over an 8 year period a total of 8%. So a 10 year old one still has 90% of its capacity and therefore range.
The good news is if there's heavy depreciation, get a second hand one and you've saved much of the inital price. The second hand market always has a way of working itself out
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SUV!