Optimized for use with AMD Ryzen based systems
16GB kit containing 2x 8GB modules
3200MHz memory speed - PC4-25600 memory standard
288 pins, voltage of 1.35V
CAS latency CL14 (full timings 14-14-14-34)
dont forget cashrewards 5%
edit: normal price fluctuation
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B DIE
B DIE
PEW B DIE
@ben1103: what's the hype about B DIE?
Is it really that significant of a difference with the other types?
*dont roast me im not a tech wizard :) *
@howard22: High clock and low latency. Provided you keep it cool you can keep adding voltage and it keeps going faster.
@drew442: Low tRFC is the really important part, has a strong effect on game performance and overall latency.
U DIE
WE DIE
How would you know its a b die? have you taken one apart?
lmao what kind of smug ass comment is this
https://i.imgur.com/4eWVitZ.png
all 3200c14 is Samsung B-Die; and it's listed on their spec sheet.
Im not sure that is still the case after all these years (this kit had been around since atleast Ryzen 2000 launched, but going by the price I would sure hope it's B-die.
Samsung discontinued B-die in Q2 2019.
lmao what kind of smug ass comment is this
hehehe
Awesome price.
I got 32gb of 3200mhz vengeance lpx for this price several months ago.
Yeah but it isn't B-die is it…
Trying to cancel my BLE8G4D40BEEAK order with CPL as they can't get stock (despite showing stock on their website…)
I'm going to get this deal or F4-3600C15D-16GTZ which are probably the same part under the heatsink…
Have a kit of this currently, is great.
EDIT: bought mine for ~$200 from PLE before the world pooped itself.
Due to lack of toilet paper we still can’t clean up the mess.
I paid $350 for mine 2 years and 6 days ago…
How much more performance would you get out of this in gaming compared to a CL16 kit?
Maybe a couple of FPS at most.
BUT… B-B-BUT… B-DIE!
And the flex
It's not only the timings, but the OC potential from B die.. could easily go over 4000 Mhz with good timings with proper voltage.
On AMD that's useless though, because you'd have to decouple infinity fabric. Maybe it's good for Zen 3 though which is speculated to be able to do 2000MHz FCLK. B-die RFC though…
I get 1900 fclk on a 3800x. It's my son's machine so I haven't had much time to try to get it to 2000 but it was 1900 with little effort. It has a ballastix elite 4000mhz kit in it too, micron e-die.
@drew442: To get past 1900 you'd have to be even luckier than you were to get 1900, and 2000 has never been done before so you'd be breaking a record. Crazy the 33MHz difference, I have 1866MHz 100% stable but 1900MHz doesn't even post.
@Void: what ccd and iod voltages do you run for 1866mhz?
I know 1900 is apparently lucky, people have asked me for Ryzen master screenshots because they don't believe me.
@drew442: I'm on AGESA 1.0.0.4B, but Biostar (yes the Techfast motherboard lol) didn't split VDDP and VDDG into cLDO and I/O. I'm running 1.1V SOC (tried higher and lower), 800mV VDDG (the lower the more stable until this point, if I increase it will result in audio crackle) and 900mV VDDP (tried higher and lower too). So CCD and IOD should be the same in this case.
@drew442: Love the micron Rev E, best bang for buck stuff along with Hynix CJR tho when I bought Rev E was cheaper (in my case Ballixtix 3000c15 cheapo kit as per Buildzoid vids)
I've only got a R5 2600 atm, it took me a lot of work to get 3600c16 stable when 3533 was ok first try. I got 3733 to post but froze/blue screened during windows boot even with super loose timings.
@drew442: Crappy Asrock B450M Pro4 - worst for memory OC cause the voltage control is terrible, options are 1.35v and 1.4v*, that's it, not that I needed much voltage when the RAM itself could be doing 4000 with a better CPU. The rest of the memory options are like normal thankfully, though honestly I'm limited by the CPU's IMC more than the board's crappy memory voltages.
Still have to replace the wife's PC next so not likely to upgrade myself (other than GPU) until probs DDR5 era
(* though perhaps the newer "Ryzen 3000" only bios versions are better? I'm on the latest version that is meant for both 2000 and 3000, v3.50 AGESA 1.0.0.3 no As or Bs at all)
I almost fainted because I thought it was 2x16GB of B-die for less than all the C-die around, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. Lol this is still a decent price for what it is, but I don't think it's justified unless you're going for competitive overclocks.
I dont know why everyone loves Samsung B's so much.
I paid $163 for
Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x8GB (16GB Kit) DDR4 3600MT/s CL16
BL2K8G36C16U4WL uses Micron die
and on my Ryzen 3700X B450 Mortar Titanium it clocks past 4000Mhz easy
I'm also running 4x8gb sticks - MSI Daisy chain topology and have zero problems no issues like i used to get with my Gskill Trident RGB's using Hynix C dies.
The Micron die's on the 2020 made Crucial Ballistix are the new king of overclocking.
Yes Micron Rev.E is also good, doesn't quite have the tRFC of B-die though and you pretty much paid the same amount for it as B-die. Running 4800MT/s on Ryzen isn't a very good idea though, because now you decoupled the FCLK unless you are running 2:1, but it generally isn't recommended because it performs worse. I'm surprised your IMC is up to the task, my 3500X won't even run 4000MT/s without crazy SOC.
Edit: Ah you said 4000MT/s that's more realistic. Even Samsung C-die can do that but looser than Rev.E. 4000MT/s on Ryzen still isn't a good idea, never seen 2GHz FCLK.
We have Zen3 coming out and they AMD have Bumped up the IF to 2000Mhz / 2200Mhz
I think having ram that can get to that 4400MT/s speeds is going to be a good thing when Zen3 hits later this year
I run my ram at stock 3600 i mostly got them cause i wanted white RGB 3600 ram to match my all white build.
B-die can do that too, heck even these new budget ones coming out with Samsung C-die (also does high frequencies) are pretty good. I was able to do 4000CL19 on my C-die, but due to IMC limitations I'd often fail to post. I might try for 4GT/s if I get a B650 board and a new CPU (hopefully a Ryzen 5 5600). Hang on there just a second Ryzen 5 5600 lol, there's going to be lots of confusion with Navi!
@Void: Ive maxed them out at 4800MT/s but it dont like pumping that much voltage over a long period of time and yes the IF is decoupled at those speeds.
I'm going to see more performance upgrading to a RDNA2 Big Navi chip at the end of the year
@Void: Its going to be named Ryzen 4600 .. Zen4 will be Ryzen 5600 thats using DDR5 :) and if they use the XT naming then its going to have the exact same name as the GPU's
@vid_ghost: Yes that's why I said B650 lol, I want to jump onto the new socket for a decent upgrade path. DDR5 though :(
Hopefully it's backwards compatible so that I can just use really good DDR4, because DDR5 standard speed is going to be like 4300MT/s.
@Void: I don't see AMD integrating a Memory controller that will support both DDR4 and DDR5 for Zen4 at the end of 2021 :)
For anyone buying DDR4 today its going to be coming to its end of life at the end of next year unfortunately
It did have a good run though.
Hynix DJR kits can also do 4000mhz at CL18 pretty comfortably and often cheaper than this, I tried B-Die it didn't give me any tangible difference over running DJR at 3600/16-19-19-39
Not really "everyone" just the tech enthusiasts or those that want to squeeze every last bit of performance from their system while being practical about it.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performanc…
Piece here with benchmarks of CL14 vs CL16 at 3000 on an amd system. Pretty minor differences really. I'd shell out the extra $40/50 for 32gb at cl16 or save a few bucks and get cl16 16gb.
With amd, as always, *only buy ram that's on the compatibility list *!
Playing Anno 1800 my system exceeds 16Gb's of ram all the time
I'm lucky i have 32GB's
R5 3600?
3700X at 4.4Ghz
isn't this the opposite of the lower is better rule i've been told for CL?
At 3200mhz, I'd argue this kit at 14-14-14-34 with such great OC potential with the B die will yield at least 5-10% better performance than a 16-18-18-38 kit. For a piece of equipment which people normally reuse for multiple years in multiple systems, the extra $40-50 you'd pay for this kit might be worth it
Yeah but DDR5 :/
I think DDR4 will stick around for many years after DDR5 comes out much the same way DDR3 is still (although minimally) relevant today
@Skhtor: Ahahah the internet is so annoying, there is no general consensus! I keep being told "Oh in 2023 DDR5 will be widespread!" but then I'm also told DDR4 isn't going anywhere. I don't know what to believe anymore.
I should have included that, I wasn't looking at any overclocking here, as I generally don't recommend it. You're paying about 25% more for 5-10% gains, if you're overclocking, otherwise the performance gain is negligible. I didn't neg the deal, just saying I would argue cl16 is a better "bargain" for most people, that's all.
Something like this, and you even get 3600 (pending compatibility check)
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/553837
I had this same mentality, until I realized that you spend 25% more on the RAM. Not your entire PC. So really you have to weigh up whether relative to the cost of your PC it is a better value.
@Void: I agree with Rajeh* (autocorrect) on this one, an extra $50 on a $1500 PC is ~3.3%, from that perspective it starts to become more worth it
@Skhtor: But it does raise another question, are there more meaningful upgrades you could make with those $50? You could get a better cooled GPU to give you more overclock headroom, which will bring more performance. You could get a new CPU cooler to allow the CPU to boost higher, which will also bring more performance. You could get RGB fans, which will most definitely improve performance.
If you already have something like a 3700x/3900x or 10700k/10900k then high speed ram is how you get more performance out of your CPU.
Other than that then its just for enthusiasts who want to push their systems for fun.
is this any different from grey import?
Samsung B-Die
If it ain't RGB, it ain't Fast enough.
I mean I got a 16gb crucial ballistic 3600 kit for $138 delivered just 2 months ago. Those are confirmed b-die.
Not Rev.E?
hey good point, is there a way to check for certain?
Thaiphoon Burner is a good way to check. I would've thought most Crucial kits by now'd be using Rev.E.
Am temtped to buy just to fiddle with it, it's a shame these aren't a simple colour or even just RGB.
tempted to buy 2!
Thanks OP! Was waiting for this to get lower so I can run 32gb finally :)
I just drunk bought this without having bought the cpu or mainboard yet, is this any advantage on a Intel CPU or only amd so I can drunk buy the rest of my build asap.
Ok update I've bought a Gigabyte B550-I Aorus Pro AX and Ryzen 3700x to go along with this.
Already have the other parts from my old build, not that anyone would care what a random on the internet has just purchased.
I care random internet stranger, love hearing what people are building! I hope it works well for you! :)
That system is going to be crazy fast… make sure to wait for RDNA2 big navi to come out before bothering with a GPU upgrade.. its going to be faster then a geforce RTX 2080ti by 50% according to the leaks
Ram makes a big difference for both Intel and AMD. The bandwith is more important than the tighter timings for Intel.
Ordered this and returning my Corsair Vengeance LPX (a Samsung C-die, v4.32), which hopefully would be easier to OC.
What did you get on your C-die? I have 3733 18-21-18-20-30 with GDM off and CR 1T. I wouldn't call it difficult to OC, it's just different. Very temperature sensitive and doesn't like voltages past 1.35V. I got 4000 20-24-24-24 to post but my IMC isn't up to the task, I'm sure I could tighten to like 19-23-20-22-39.
I am very new to OC and I tried various things based on forum feedback for v4.32 on my MSI 450I Gaming Plus AC mobo. The A-XMP profiles or Try it didnt work (would not boot) and I find it a hassle to short the CMOS on this mobo in my Fractal 304 case. This mobo supports up to OC 3466 mHz anyways. I managed to get it stable at 3200 for now. The main reason for getting the Flare X is the C14 for another $30+; I will try to OC to 3466 but no big deal if I cant, as the performance gain for gaming at 1440p is neglible.
This has been the best for me. Might need to translate it. Also it's possible your integrated memory controller won't allow 3466+ without some VDDP and SOC tweaking, or the infinity fabric. I highly doubt C-die wouldn't surpass 3466MT/s. Your motherboard can go as high as your memory, 3466 is just what it claims to be able to do without "overclocking". Now you say the performance difference is negligible at 1440p, but you're trying to spend an extra $30? What?
Also you can test infinity fabric by amping up FCLK to like 1766 and leaving memory clock at auto. If you get instability or audio crackles then you need to adjust VDDG. Otherwise I'd try bringing up SOC and VDDP.
How is ram optimised for amd? Is it to do with the timings?
validation and testing.. XMP (AMP) memory profiles ext
All ram will work at stock SP settings or DDR4 2133Mhz
But not all ram will work or run stable at XMP or AMP OC settings.
These sticks are more likely to work.. but at the end of the day you can just go online to your motherboard venders website and check the memory supported list and buy one of those.
Ive used ram not in the supported list and never had any issues with xmp on AMD systems.. had a few intel systems not even boot with ram that wasnt in the supported list.. its just a luck of the draw
Been looking around for a 32gb (2*16) bdie kit even thought there dont seem to be any validated for the ASRock z390 pgitx
I'm looking to upgrade later this year when the next Ryzens launch - currently running 32 gb Corsair LPX (CMK32GX4M4A2666C15) on an 5820K.
Anyone have any experience with these DIMMs (CMK32GX4M4A2666C15)? Having trouble locating manufacturer info online and wondering if I need to pull the pin on these GSkills.
Lads these are 99$ @ shopping express
Nope. This is the B-Die kit with 14-14-14-34 timings. The $99 kit is 16-18-18-38 with a different Die.
Oh my bad :) missed that
B DIE